More Stuff You Should Know About Buckshot [Part 2]

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4 жыл бұрын

Today we're continuing our deep dive into the topic of using buckshot for personal protection. In this second and final installment, we're looking at what buckshot is made of (literally) and the advantages of using tight-patterning buckshot over slugs or a carbine.
Be sure to check out Buckshot Part 1 if you missed it: • Stuff You Should Know ...
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@antdjones05 2 жыл бұрын

“A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Now that’s a quote I can get behind! Love it! 😂

@boomstckoperators1218 8 ай бұрын

Exactly

@Ray-cr1kx 8 ай бұрын

EXACTLY

@redlock4004 6 ай бұрын

An end of all behavior.

@youknow9092 26 күн бұрын

“Pistols put holes in people. Rifles put holes through people. Shotguns, the right load at the right range will physically remove a chunk from your opponent and throw it on the floor behind him, and you will have to get someone to come clean it up with a shovel.” -Raw Clint Thunder Ranch

@jeremiahhively3025 6 күн бұрын

Best comment on the entire internet

@jwillroers 4 жыл бұрын

Can we all please give Lucky Gunner some kind of award for the work they do? The info is unbiased, clear, concise, and relevant.

@numnut1516 2 жыл бұрын

Buy from them?

@JohnB-dr8sk Жыл бұрын

I like Lucky Gunner's videos, but he and John at Active Self Protection are acting like scared Millennials raised on too much "zero tolerance" in schools. Overly paranoid about one buckshot round not hitting like a laser. A shotgun works great because it spreads and give a higher hit probability under stress. Plus, that pellet spread maximizes damage and stopping the bad guy immediately. These scare-dy cats should just buy a pistol caliber carbine or an AR instead of putting out all of this ridiculous information on using absurd Flitecontrol rounds at 10 feet away. Flitecontrol was developed to give tighter patterns for law enforcement and hunters at 30-50 yards. It was not meant for home defense at 10-20 feet where it essentially acts like a slug. Buckshot that tight is going to overpenetrate at very close range.

@btglass60 Жыл бұрын

Great informative video great

@Kidneyjoe42 Жыл бұрын

@@JohnB-dr8sk It's also worth noting that, depending on the context, you aren't actually legally responsible for every projectile that leaves your firearm. While it's certainly of no comfort to anyone inadvertently hit, the way felony murder works often puts the criminal liability for stray rounds on the attacker that provoked the shot in the first place. This is less true of civil liability but it's still a factor even there. Ultimately though, you can never guarantee you're actually going to hit your target anyway. They could always move unexpectedly at an inopportune time. So all the worrying about stuff like over penetration is largely misguided considering the actual way to not hit someone you don't want to is to not shot towards them in the first place. If you don't want to shoot your own child, don't gamble on your ammo not going all the way through the bad guy or not having any flyers. Instead, don't shoot straight in to your kid's bedroom wall.

@vipe650r 8 ай бұрын

@@JohnB-dr8sk I agree with the concern about buck shot acting like a slug at close range. That's not ideal. But, at the same time, I've made peace with the fact that every round I'm going to use in pretty much platform is going to go through the few layers of dry wall WHEN I miss with a pellet or a 9mm round or (God forbid) an entire 12 gauge shot. It's going to be on me to make sure that I change my angle so that isn't an issue. I can drop to a knee so any missed pellets are well over my sleeping kid's head, should it go through the wall. I can step off line so that it goes into the other wall and peppers my wife's stack of towels in the closet instead of the guest room. I have responsibilities the bad guys doesn't. And that sucks, but life sucks. I'm the master of my house and my environment. I'll do the best I can to not miss, I won't be scared of every pellet, but I will take responsibility for every pellet. It's on me to make sure that I can fail (miss) safely. And I can do a lot to control that.

@rre9121 4 жыл бұрын

12:15 "a round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in a change of behavior" If by "behavior" you mean "the persistence of life" and by "change" you mean specifically "the cessation of" then yes.

@Uberragen21 4 жыл бұрын

I laughed to myself when he said that, because I was thinking this exact thing. I think that was his point without being so blunt about it.

@ricksanchez9669 4 жыл бұрын

Go watch some police interactions. Sometimes it doesn't...not as fast as you would think anyways. They definitely stop and reconsider their life choices though.

@notrightmeow3357 4 жыл бұрын

That’s also like having a “significant emotional event”.

@LuckyGunner 4 жыл бұрын

For self-defense, our goal isn't to kill, it's to make the person stop doing whatever they're doing. Buckshot tends to do that whether or not the person survives the blast.

@rre9121 4 жыл бұрын

@@LuckyGunner I understand that, but unfortunately we don't have many ways of doing the first reliably that doesn't stand a significant chance of also inducing the second. I honestly wish it wasn't that way, but we don't get to make those decisions.

@Sarge_72 4 жыл бұрын

How this channel isn’t over 1M yet is mind boggling - some of the best, most well presented content out there.

@tangoliberty2344 4 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree !!!

@AssassinNaivara 4 жыл бұрын

An unfortunate causality of the All mighty Algorithm. May he have mercy on us all.

@Get2KnowArt 4 жыл бұрын

Consider ourselves lucky.

@BradfordHills 4 жыл бұрын

He is one of the sharpest tacks out there!

@Starwarman1 4 жыл бұрын

No big explosions or gold platted 1911

@6Sally5 4 жыл бұрын

Paul Harrell recently referred to your 9th pellet flier and, in addition to complimenting you, agreed with you on the oddity of this phenomenon.

@MakaveliThaDonKilluminati Жыл бұрын

Paul harrel is simply the best

@bmphil3400 5 ай бұрын

It's not really an oddity. The group of pellets in the shell is more uniform if packed in groups of 8. If the lead pellet is not plated and harder more pellets will deform...one usually more than the others. Buffered, hardened,good shot cup, plated. Expensive buckshot but patterns really well.

@jason200912 2 ай бұрын

It is an oddity because there are 3 layers of 3 stack pellets. Why is only one row having a single fly off while the other 2 rows have their perfect group pellets

@johngifford7725 4 жыл бұрын

"A single round of buckshot to the torso, almost always results in an immediate change of behavior." Lol, amen.

@ewallperschwaznyk4169 2 жыл бұрын

And that's exactly why I will do the exact opposite of this video. The average homeowner when pulling that trigger will need all the disbursement he/she can get.

@nightmarethunderfist 4 жыл бұрын

You've taught me so much about shotgun ammunition in two videos. Thank you for mentioning the 9th pellet flyer

@tufftrucker40 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent information. I have first hand experience using Rio buckshot on a home intruder many years ago, it performed very good at the distance I had to shoot ( about 25 ft) the entire load hit the intruder high in the upper chest and shoulder on his right side and he went down fast and was out of the fight without another shot being fired. The guy survived the wound but was crippled permanently and later died in prison from another inmate assaulting him.

@coreybrady4541 2 жыл бұрын

Many interesting things here. 1 your comment has no replies after being posted for a year. 2 you have actually experienced a home invasion as well as shooting that person. 3 you survived court. I’m interested in that. Did you do any jail time? Did you have a trial? Did the intruder try to sue? What state/country are you in? Any repercussions from intruder or their friends/family?

@tufftrucker40 2 жыл бұрын

@@coreybrady4541 when this happened I was around 12 yo. I didn't get arrested or get in any sort of trouble. I did have to go to to the man's trial and speak to the court about what had happened as a victim/witness but at the time I didn't feel much like a victim . I'm 54 yo now and I wouldn't want to have to do this again but I wouldn't hesitate if put into this situation once again. I live in a small town in the Midwest now but this happened when my family lived in reno Nevada.

4 жыл бұрын

This is a GREAT series on buckshot and shotguns. You've effectively compressed 5 years of shotgun experience into these videos. *Well done, thank you.*

@uncletrick1 4 жыл бұрын

"A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior." Truer words were never spoken.

@1337fraggzb00N 4 жыл бұрын

"A quick death stops most attackers almost immediately." - My German instructor 🤣

@phillhuddleston9445 4 жыл бұрын

The important word is almost, always plan for it to take multiple shots and don't stop until you are sure the threat has ended, you may even miss even though you think you hit your target.

@bigd7861 3 жыл бұрын

1st shot stops the life threat... 2nd shot stops the legal threat... 😒

@jackieeastom8758 4 жыл бұрын

It’s called TERMINAL RESPONSIBILITY! They used to teach it at a remedial level. Not so much anymore but it’s nice to see you teaching it.

@Abby_Normal_1969 4 жыл бұрын

"a single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in a change of behavior' might be the best sentence in both episodes. A target dropping to the ground while his 2 or 3 hommies defecate themselves is certainly a change in behavior.

@johnwebb7411 Жыл бұрын

It has the same energy as the chieftain saying being hit by a tank shell even if it doesn't penetrate is a significant emotional event.

@scottfeltner6066 3 жыл бұрын

Shotguns. Most useful firearm ever made. Hunt anything that runs or flies with the variety if ammo available.

@donalddallavalle8826 4 жыл бұрын

Darn, had to watch this twice. Been shooting for 50 years, and LG taught me more about shotgun ammo than I knew. Thank you, Lucky G........!

@chrisboyd1408 4 жыл бұрын

I was in the military for over 22 years and we used a 9 pellet buckshot now it's good to know that the 8 pellet is better thank you for teaching us something many of us did not know.

@TheMuffs2004 4 жыл бұрын

I use 00 Buck but in a pinch, such as no buckshot available due to an ammo shortage, #4 Turkey load will seriously mess an attacker up within the confines of a home as well. I used to work for the local S.O. as the shift SGT in their jail. Our training Lt, who is also certified by the state to teach pistol, rifle and shotgun courses, showed me some autopsy pictures of a guy who broke into the wrong house at 3:30 am a few counties over. Homeowner had an 18" barrel model 500 loaded with #4 Winchester Turkey loads instead of buckshot because this was during the middle of the big ammo shortage a few years back and finding buckshot in our area was about as easy as finding .22 lr was for the rest of the country. First shot hit the guy in the upper right arm. Wasn't much of it left other than the pieces of skin keeping the rest from falling to the ground. Second, round hit the guy center mass which immediately resulted in his involuntary compliance to the homeowners wishes to stop firing a .22 revolver at him. Both shots were from approximately 20 ft and at that distance the #4 turkey load was nothing short of devastating. It is also of note that the perp had enough meth and other drugs going through his system to give a large horse superpowers. Which explains why he was able to ignore the destruction of his right arm and keep firing.

@tylertapp131 Жыл бұрын

3 inch #4 turkey load is bad medicine for alot of stuff. Been usin it for years. I've always defaulted to 00 buck for home defense but I'd have no issues at all runnin turkey load for it any time. It's a damn good load.

@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929 Жыл бұрын

and this right here is why a home defense gun should be loaded with good lethal ammo. Someone who thinks ill just rubber buckshot, or baton round or rock salt the bad guy into compliance are in for a rude awakening if it turns out they are faced with someone out of their mind on meth or other drugs.

@theman21030 Жыл бұрын

And it’s appropriate using turkey loads for a turkey.

@craigwilliamsSeekTheLord Жыл бұрын

I think that slugs are good for boars and bears, but not for many of us when it comes to home defense. Thanks for these videos, I appreciate your discretion and knowledge. May God bless you, sir, and watch over you and your family.

@thatrandomyoutubechannel 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely the best video I've seen on the topic. Outstanding job at presenting pertinent information that almost anyone with or without firearms training can comprehend. I love the no nonsense, cut straight to the chase approach on your presentation. Great job and thank you for this top notch content.

@joshcook5268 4 жыл бұрын

love the versatility of a shotgun. nice to have the ability to switch from buckshot to a slug for a longer shot

@dougmapper3306 4 жыл бұрын

To add to your rifle/carbine vs shotgun notes: In the aftermath of a self-defense shooting, having used grandpappy's 12ga pump instead of a big scary black rifle might win you some sympathy points in a jury trial if you live in a place where your freedom might come down to that.

@meanman6992 2 жыл бұрын

If you feel that’s relevant in your geopolitical area, and you’re fine with potentially handicapping yourself to potentially appease others opinions, then go for it.

@blackhawk65589 2 жыл бұрын

@@meanman6992 A shotgun is one of the best long arm you can use in a building. Slugs drops guys, even with armor on

@terrencewrigley6024 2 жыл бұрын

@@meanman6992 shotguns are not a handicap. I've seen animals hit with rifles up to 300win mags and 12ga slugs do much more damage. Buckshot is it's own thing and is hard to compare to rifles. More holes = faster put downs. I can land shots on paper at 100 yards with the bead sight. I also find shotguns faster to aim and easy to swing on moving targets. There's a reason many people choose to use shotguns when expecting fast moving targets in close. It's like comparing fly fishing to spin fishing. I know I'm talking about hunting but deer are human size.

@lordofthepigs888 2 жыл бұрын

@@terrencewrigley6024 odd that you say that. Anecdotally, I’ve never had any brand of hollowpoint slugs consistently expand in a breathing target. Even ones that do well in gel tests. On the other hand, I’ve never had .300 blackout fail to expand

@freedomridermorty4459 Жыл бұрын

For home defense it all comes down to were you live, which Firearm works the best. You must always consider over penetration. You should fully understand the laws and legal rights you have. There's one certainty that you must follow, don't wound a home invader. You must terminate the threat or threats as this invader will turn the tables on your in the courtroom. Hopefully the invader bleeds out prior to Medical attention. Make sure your a member of the USCCA or equivalent . Call your Attorney and never speak to Law Enforcement. Thanks Lucky Gunner for a great educational video.

@curtisholland3213 4 жыл бұрын

"One shot of 00 Buck will likely cause a change of behavior.." 😆 love it!! I'm gonna write that one down!

@RCFlyBoy314 4 жыл бұрын

Solid, logical explanations and reasoning as usual. Thank you, glad I found this channel

@PopBubbleWrappable 4 жыл бұрын

Outstanding video, as well as part 1. I feel a 12 gauge is by long and far the best home defense weapon of choice for not all but most homeowners, and you've explained why far more informative than I ever could have.

@NotHunterCooper 4 жыл бұрын

I subbed right after you guys put out the OG Beretta 1301 content and have been impressed at your quality videos ever since. I'm one of the few members of my department that still carry both a shotgun and patrol rifle on duty and absolutely love to shoot shotgun. I truly believe that aside from taking a course, the best shotgun training is to browse the KZfaq's for a bootleg "Art Of The Dynamic Shotgun" and get a handful of dummy shells. Another often overlooked advantage to me is the ability to administrative reload without losing the ammo already loaded. A pistol or typical modern rifle require you to drop the box magazine to insert a new one.

@OGsDangerShow 4 жыл бұрын

I own that set of DVDs and love them. Watch them all the time. The training never gets old, unlike the actors. I too am issued a rifle and shotgun at work. Prefer the shotgun for “felony stop” distances. We load Federal FliteControl 9 pellet. I feel pretty well armed with that thing. In fact, one sits under my bed right now. 😎👍

@swaghauler8334 4 жыл бұрын

Another good video Sir! I think you are the first person to actually talk about the "quirks" of buckshot (it's response to chokes, the 9th pellet flier, and the difference between buffered and unbuffered shot) on KZfaq. I've seen a fair amount of stuff about Birdshot but not Buckshot.

@swaghauler8334 4 жыл бұрын

@Tzuede Off the Cuff A lot of semiautos won't cycle birdshot. You're not alone.

@BruceMusto 3 жыл бұрын

As always, the information is presented in a concise, logical, and easy to understand matter. Great job Chris.

@docmorace1315 2 жыл бұрын

i don't usually post comments but i watch and read virtually all your stuff( couldnt think of a better word , no offense intended. ). very professional, and informative. thanks guys. keep up the good work.

@mkw2555 3 жыл бұрын

I really liked this series. I have quite a lot of experience with handgun and riffle but know next to nothing about shotguns. I learned a lot and wanted to thank you 👍

@rodrigodepierola 4 жыл бұрын

Great video and channel. It's always interesting for people outside the US to see how having drywall as construction material comes into play. Here in Perú, for instance, you go from shanties made of cardboard or reed mats to brick when you leave all but the most destitute of poverty.

@Rocknranchman 3 жыл бұрын

Great information to know especially about 9 vs 8 buckshot pellets and effects. Thanks for sharing this!

@markchoate9021 3 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed this dual video series. Very informative and you have changed my mind-set on tight patterns vs wider patterns. Thanks.

@barnaclebill1615 4 жыл бұрын

The excellence in this video just compliments Part 1. Thanks again for the very in depth yet easy to understand info. 😁👍👍

@Rubberweasel 4 жыл бұрын

To paraphrase James Yeager "shotgun fights usually don't last very long".

@bigd7861 3 жыл бұрын

Because if someone isn't dead, they're out of ammo! 😂

@oldschool9932 4 жыл бұрын

Neutralizing the threat 8 - 00 Buck at a time. Thank you Chris for sharing.

@darthkek1953 3 жыл бұрын

008 ... it's even a bit better than 007

@powernoodle1224 4 жыл бұрын

Best gun guy on KZfaq. Thoughtful, mature, and evidence-based.

@craigr.h.laurent240 Жыл бұрын

Once again, Ithank you for your comprehensive review. Your information is clearly and completely stated without hesitation. Again, thank you!

@AdamLund 3 жыл бұрын

So glad I found this channel. With so many "first time" buyers equipping shotguns for home defense due to the peaceful protests, without any experience with shooting shotguns, I hope they find this video. I really like that you cover both ammunition types and chokes. I am curious what your thoughts are on the Olin Mfr "military" 9-pellet 00 rounds as compared to those covered in the 2 videos. The discussion about chokes likely saved me some cash; which I'll gladly pay forward at your web store.

@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929 4 жыл бұрын

I like to call that 9th flyer the "crazy ivan" though thats mainly talking about boxes of russian steel case ammo, each box comes with a single crazy ivan flyer round.

@nbip2845 4 жыл бұрын

The lucky throat shot.

@ericferguson9989 4 жыл бұрын

"The bullet is foolish, the bayonet wise."

@manatee5936 4 жыл бұрын

These videos are a gem of well articulated information, thank you

@zackdoc 4 жыл бұрын

Great job....as always. Thanks for the quality ammo I bought from you last week: good price & only took 3 days over the weekend. Stay healthy everyone!

@richardbriscoe8563 4 жыл бұрын

An ounce and an eighth or ounce and a quarter at 1,200 FPS or thereabouts puts a lot more energy into the BG than a 230 gr.45 ACP round. To top it off, a shoulder fired weapon is easier to operate under stress at close quarters. That’s not to say you shouldn’t keep your handgun close by if you are proficient with it, but a load of buckshot properly placed is more likely to bring the confrontation to an end. As always, good information. Thank you!

@zoeyshoots 3 жыл бұрын

Don't mean to but in, however I just want to say that I bought a 20 gauge shockwave... I used to keep my 40 under my pillow, but I'm getting older now, and I know the shockwave takes a lot of the guesswork out of the situation... 2 years ago it was under $300. Today I have seen them for sale for over $700.... of course I don't keep the shockwave under my pillow, she sleeps between me and my wife now. LOL. Very good thread. Thank you

@AllTheDips 4 жыл бұрын

Anyone ever shot a 12ga in a house with no ear protection?? Hello can you hear me?

@J_Du 4 жыл бұрын

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

@LuckyGunner 4 жыл бұрын

I'd rather shoot a 12 gauge indoors than an AR.

@rickquist3992 4 жыл бұрын

@@LuckyGunner Roger that. +1

@bryanshaw4434 4 жыл бұрын

With a muzzle brake!

@locomike102 4 жыл бұрын

No, but I've had a TON of them go off right next to my head in the duck blind. People worry way too much about shooting inside houses.

@dunce237 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Lucky Gunner for all the info/tips you provide! I’m definitely thankful for the material you provide and I e supported Lucky Gunner by purchasing ammo for my Mossy 500.

@coreywinters8939 3 жыл бұрын

started watching these videos years ago. then recently bought ammo from you. Thanks for all the videos and work.

@zoeyshoots 3 жыл бұрын

Great channel. Today's topic was probably one of my favorites. I use a shockwave in 20 gauge... Sleeps in bed with me... Various other calibers stashed between my bedroom and the front door. 👍

@jamiesloan5902 4 жыл бұрын

I can tell you that from my experience, with my shotgun, the Flight Control ammo patterns slightly best with Improved Cylinder(.720), instead of Cylinder(.730). I think this slight restriction keeps the shot cup inline with my point of aim a little better, without stripping it, which would happen with too much choke restriction. As for standard buckshot loads... My shotty patterns the best using an Improved Modified(.705), but a Full(.700) comes in close second. #4 buckshot patterns best using a .680, or a .690 choke. You provided some excellent info in these 2 videos, regarding buckshot. Maybe you dispelled a few "myths". Love your channel.

@turkaras5003 4 жыл бұрын

This Guy knows what he is talking about It . very clean explanation no mumbling like many others straight to the point well done .

@M4jeff 4 жыл бұрын

Outstanding video, thank you for doing all the hard/expensive work upfront. Please keep excellent content like this coming.

@MrJhart25 4 жыл бұрын

Paul Harrell brought me here.

@patrick6935 4 жыл бұрын

Me too.

@mattwalters6834 4 жыл бұрын

Same

@gravydippedgrab-handles7194 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely fantastic video. I can’t believe I only just found this channel. Instant subscribe. 👍🏼

@125AXer 4 жыл бұрын

Really good pair of videos, answered some questions, and convinced me to bring the 12GA back out of hibernation.

@sledgehammer8146 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, Chris - I should have also mentioned that I love your channel. You are very professional and I always find something useful in your teaching. Keep up the great work.

@nagaviper1169 4 жыл бұрын

Flight control is when I keep the wings straight and level....opps, wrong channel.

@wasntmeXYZ 4 жыл бұрын

The Flying Backpack you don’t wanna do any California landings!! 🚁 💨💨

@RustyOpel 4 жыл бұрын

Lol well I also subscribe to many flight channels so all good here.

@coiledsteel8344 4 жыл бұрын

The Flying Backpack - Like "Gun Control" is keeping your Gun on Target!

@havocproltd 3 жыл бұрын

@Green Giant ...really? im not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you didn't have to hit the REPLY button. just saying...

@calebclark6739 4 жыл бұрын

I learned a lot the last 2 videos. Thanks

@lovescherylblossom3441 4 жыл бұрын

This is very helpful especially for a first time gun/shotgun owner for home defence. Theres a lot of videos out there but dont really teach. Just purchased betetta 1301 tact. Thank you for making quality videos.

@RESEARCHINGYOURROOTS 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome 2 part series! Thanks so very much, Mr. Lucky!

@yeetskeet2606 3 жыл бұрын

First time seeing this Chanel and subscribed first minute I love the talk

@AlastorTheNPDemon 4 жыл бұрын

"Unconscious competence." I like that term!

@Art-st1qv 4 жыл бұрын

Man I sure do love your channel. always full of great information and a lot of things to consider.. keep up the great work

@marksd5650 4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant, I consider your videos among the very best produced by anyone. So thank you again, and I look forward to the next. I have never shot a shotgun, but look forward to it some day soon. I’m 64 and coming to shooting late in life, but I’m feeling as though it’s what our world now demands. I enjoyed your wry sense of humor vis-a-vis the change in behavior a buckshot round will produce. All my best.

@hardgay7537 4 жыл бұрын

"the greatest potential to end the fight quickly" And that, my friends, is the American way. We don't always follow it, but we're usually at least aware of it.

@garyfischer4357 4 жыл бұрын

"Immediate change of behavior". Perfect.

@cielopachirisu929 Ай бұрын

This was one of the most informative buckshot videos I've ever seen, thank you! Had no idea how useful shot cups were up until now

@scottwinkler2466 4 жыл бұрын

For a guy that looks like a craft brewer from Portland, Oregon, Chris really knows his way around firearms. Great tutorials.

@jivadaya6439 4 жыл бұрын

I love my shotty, so much fun, so intense, definitely going to get the nod if the SHTF at the house

@jalexwheeler7751 4 жыл бұрын

000 When it absolutely, positively, has to go down right now. And you are out of slugs.

@shinerbockdoc 4 жыл бұрын

Great 2 videos! I learned a couple things I never knew of or about....the 9th pellet flyer, wow. Thanks for both videos man!

@surfingonmars8979 8 ай бұрын

Always logical, clear, concise, informative and well-presented. Great vid.

@8NightKillers 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve had weird experiences with federal flight control, i always pick out different ammo to pattern to see how I like different loads for home defense and federal flight control 9 pellet 00buck doesn’t pattern that well in my gun, it always gives 2 flyers (Usually within an inch of each other) 5” away from the single hole where the wad and 7 pellets went through at 8yards (longest possible shot in my house) however I’ve heard of people getting single holes on paper at up to 15 yards. My new defensive load is federal 2 3/4” 12pellet 00buck because it consistently put all pellets with in a 5” circle at 8 yards and if I’m going to have the same spread then might as well go with the extra pellets with more evenly spread pellets throughout the pattern. Just goes to show that you always need to pattern your own gun My shotgun is cyl bore 18.5” rem 870

@mafistowaltz4857 4 жыл бұрын

I Really enjoyed This video!!!

@okgentfarmer 3 жыл бұрын

Good discussion and information in both videos. As a longtime Subscriber, I agree with an earlier comment about being bewildered as to why this channel doesn't have well over a million subscribers. I have a Remington A5 built in 1908 which after 1911 became known as the Model 11. It is in very good condition and serves as a very reliable coyote killer with #2 buckshot out to near 35 yards.

@e.foster1284 Жыл бұрын

Added to my list of keeper quotes: "A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior. " Thanks for that!

@BigE410 4 жыл бұрын

Why not just use regular bird shot for in the house? Close range should keep it pretty tight and if one gets loose it wouldn’t have much energy once it hits a wall or something. Serious question.

@mattkemerait 4 жыл бұрын

That little guy? I wouldn't worry about that little guy.

@magnetar2524 4 жыл бұрын

Mattycakes yeah, let me get a liter of cola!

@martinbaumgardner4432 4 жыл бұрын

Vote for Pedro

@joshkinzie 4 жыл бұрын

Team ramrod!

@charlietobin8728 6 ай бұрын

From the 1st time I’ve watched chris he’s always been very straight forward and level headed in his direction the way he presents all the info about guns,,,,😊😊😊

@robertgraham2656 7 ай бұрын

I think that was the best explanation of why a shotgun is great for home defense that I've ever heard and I've watched tons of videos on the subject. I could use any of the weapons described in this video for home defense but I use a shotgun. It just seemed like the best choice intuitively but it makes much more sense logically based on this video. Thank you!

@blorph1 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting how the 9 pellet buck is more likely to have a 'flier' pellet than 8 pellet buck. Thank you for making these videos for us.

@stever.747 3 жыл бұрын

I always enjoy your presentations and learn from them too. Favorite is still the .32 caliber family video. Thx.

@TheDokknife 2 жыл бұрын

Greatly appreciate your so clear, concise and informative presentation!

@pnp_110 4 жыл бұрын

This was a terrific pair of videos. Thanks for the work and info.

@bajajoaquin 4 жыл бұрын

"If you want a tight pattern without having to buy specialty ammo, you should instead get expensive custom gunsmithing."

@kennieminski7080 4 жыл бұрын

One time large expense vs. continuous small expenses. Your choice is up to your circumstances and opinion.

@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 4 жыл бұрын

The idea is that I get the Vang Comp service once, and no matter where I go I can find buckshot. But I won't have to search for special buckshot. It's not a matter of expense, it's a matter of supply.

@bigsean2473 4 жыл бұрын

@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz yeah but now your shot gun can only shoot like they tuned it. i want to be able to do more than one shot pattern with mine for different situations.

@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 4 жыл бұрын

@@bigsean2473 okay...then *dont* get your gun Van Comp'd. It's an option, not a requirement. I personally have a M590A1 with a Accu-Choked brrl, I dont want my gun to be back-bored (I presume thats what vang comp does, thats what the ol timers do), but some people do.

@ksdad2two 4 жыл бұрын

I prefer "Dragon's Breath " and a fire extinguisher!

@nunyurbyznes7611 4 жыл бұрын

I thank you very much ! Very well presented and delivered! Spot on Mate!

@marknycz4833 4 жыл бұрын

Really enjoying these videos, cant wait for the next one!

@dakotalafrance3618 4 жыл бұрын

I understand the main objective is to "Stop the threat" and not necessarily to kill. However, I believe it may depend on the local laws of where you live. The survival of a physical threat in your home may become a financial threat in the courtroom.

@tonyb3848 4 жыл бұрын

We have to say you shoot to “stop the threat” because telling people you should shoot to kill is bad optics

@MrEazyE357 4 жыл бұрын

Not something most people will talk about but that doesn't mean it's not true.

@phillhuddleston9445 4 жыл бұрын

It's often easier to kill someone than stop them right there, if you kill them and they don't know they are dead (fatal wound) then they kill you right back it didn't do you any good. Most fatal wounds do not instantly incapacitate the attacker that is why you don't just want to kill them you want to stop them from being able to kill or injure you or other innocent people whether it kills them or not that is irrelevant. You may get lucky and stop them or make them leave with just pain or fear alone but you can never count on that that is why lower powered guns such as the .22LR and .25 ACP are poor choices for self defense.

@VTPSTTU 4 жыл бұрын

I seem to remember someone doing a demonstration with shotguns at various distances. When the pellets didn't spread at all before hitting the target, they seemed to penetrate completely and be more of a danger of over-penetration. I think I'd prefer a spread of about three inches when my pellets hit the target. Inside a home, I don't think I need anything special to get that spread. The Federal low recoil loads with the FlyteControl wads are nice rounds though. If I can get them cheaply enough, I like them.

@JaronActual 4 жыл бұрын

This is correct. If the pellets don't spread at all, they act more like a slug upon impact. But it only takes a spread of a few inches to make them act like individual projectiles rather than one large mass.

@VTPSTTU 4 жыл бұрын

@@JaronActual Thanks!

@GooGlyCHieF 4 жыл бұрын

Yep, the birdshot wax slugs shown by Taofledermaus demonstrate the effect of combined mass fairly well.

@immikeurnot 4 жыл бұрын

I doubt this. They're going to spread rapidly after impact for the same reason rifle bullets like to tumble.

@immikeurnot 4 жыл бұрын

@Travis Thacker "Other then that they are made for Police use for ease of training and costs." Huh, what? Are you trying to say the Flitecontrol buckshot is cheaper than the normal stuff? No. no no no.

@kentwilliams4152 4 жыл бұрын

Federal Premium was the most consistent of all we tested. Since our armed encounters tended to be at distance tight, consistent patterns served us best. However, for urban environments pattern spread can be very beneficial, especially if an assailant is moving. If a really tight pattern is desired then one should choose a rifled slug.

@billnwa2250 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much for putting all this info out there for us. Keep up the great work.

@clintonholenstein9348 4 жыл бұрын

"9th pellet flier" reminds me of my morning squat on the throne. Good info though!

@alejandroflores-samaniego9320 4 жыл бұрын

i love me shottys so much i have four 😎🤷🏽‍♂️, i need to buy a all wood stock. that mossberg 590a1 retro looks pretty sick

@dukebeach1 2 жыл бұрын

I like that even though you have 700+ hours of training, you remain humble and encourage viewers to question. I would venture to guess that 95% of the people watching this content have less than 25 hours of actual training.

@DR-wf7it 3 ай бұрын

Awesome info! Thank you. Best video on this topic yet and I watched many

@EtherFox 4 жыл бұрын

Gel test the #4 Buck!

@joelrodely 4 жыл бұрын

It's got a good spread!

@deathofkindness 4 жыл бұрын

Burr reference=win

@240Gravity 2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy the knowledge and explanations that you spend time on this research. It's really important and your explanations are GREAT.! Thanks...!

@fuelman1391 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, and sound, logical reasoning. Great job!

@gregschmidt9065 4 жыл бұрын

First, love this channel.

@joeclark9369 4 жыл бұрын

What are your thoughts on #4 buck shot for a defensive load ? I understand some law inforcement use it .. 🤔

@FLSheepdog 4 жыл бұрын

This has been an awesome series. I would love to see a lever action caliber comparison, with your regular testing protocol on gel, fps, energy. The data that exists is scattered and poorly collected, and I'd love to see luckygunners take on .357 vs .44 v 45-70 vs 30-30.