"I wash my clothes." 🤣🤣🤣 i hate having to explain this to people, especially if I wear a shirt I like twice in one week. They're like, "Whoah! Didn't you wear that earlier?!" And I'm like, "Yup. Did you hear about this amazing thing called a washing machine?" 🤦‍♂️🤣

An idea for a future video: Porto's "metro" system and how 67 km, with 87 stations were built from scratch in just 9 years (from 2002 to 2011) and for only about 1 billion euros! Not that bad for a small country like Portugal

Those stations are WAY too close together in downtown Richmond Hill. Cutting one is absolutely worth it!

Station costs are interesting. I worked for an engineering firm that did stations for a number of systems, we did stations for the Queens line extension in NYC at the same time we did stations for the DC metro. The NY transit authority is not noted for being budget minded but their stations cost about 1/5 of what DC was spending. The NY stations were concrete and steel box structures that were very functional and industrial while the DC station were architectural beauties, the issue is that being pretty can get very expensive, the high arched ceilings of the DC design involve huge volumes of space and remember that DC is a swamp and there is only so much you can pump. One station had about 14' of reinforced concrete under the station as ballast to keep it from floating up on rainy days! There are no pillars on the DC platforms so the structure has to be strong enough to span the entire width of the structure and hold the street up on top of it. Tiled floors vs finished concrete, pretty but slippery when wet. It also seems that the diversion of the Toronto line makes it considerably longer with two jagged curves. I would bet that the stations in the fancy developments will be pretty nice while the canceled station were more utilitarian. The poor folks should protest.

Removing both Clark and Royal Orchard stations is a bit ridiculous, kind of similar to the one stop Scarborough subway. It is 5km between Steeles and highway 7. They could put it at Center or John as well, but there should really be at least one more station in there. Cummer is pretty close to Finch station since the station is on the north side of Finch, but Finch-Steeles is pretty built up and could definitely use a stop somewhere in between. I don't think locals would complain about modest local stations if there are stations.

The way I see High Tech Station is that its more of a case of "who does it hurt"? Afaik the yard is still going to be there and the IBC says it will be north of that station, so since the tracks will be there and subway trains will be passing that area all the time, it becomes one of those "low hanging fruit" type stations that you brought up in your recent LA Metro video. Even though I like the prospects of a future extension that travels north like a Richmond Hill Line RER, its pretty clear that this isn't going to happen at least any time in the near future so we're going to be stuck with High Tech as the terminus for a LONG time, meaning that the close station spacing here isn't going to start causing a travel time issue at least for anyone. As a side note, based off the wording provided in the IBC, I have a feeling that this station came up in the negotiations as YR sort of begging that the High Tech area gets a subway station like they would've gotten with the initial RHC Station plan, so I have a feeling that if this station will be built, it will be entirely financed by YR, which in that scenerio is perfectly fine. If York Region wants an extra station that's super close,

By the time construction starts, it’ll be $5 billion x1.5 or x2, as per standard Metrolinx procurement practice 🤪 Also whatever they do, paleease open the Ontario (Relief) Line first before building another extension deep into the burbs. Lastly, agree with Reece that despite the cost overruns and delays, TO is finally getting the rail expansions it needs, so kudos to Metrolinx (sort of).

Amazing intro. I too wash my clothes bro. ^.^

Great video! Keep up the great work! I really agree with you on all of this. As someone who lives at Bathurst and Centre, we really don't need two stops so close to each other at Richmond Hill Centre, and having more smaller stations between Steeles and Highway 7 and Steeles and Finch would be really great

Tbh if we elevated the entire Eglinton Crosstown West Extension and Scarborough Subway Extension, we would have tons of money left over to build the much needed local stations on the Yonge North Extension like Cummer, Clark, and Royal Orchard. Great video and keep up the good work!

I wonder if an elevated high frequency suburban railways with feeder buses could be built along the expressways featured on the maps on this video. This would be similar to Perth Western Australia.

The redevelopment potential at centre point mall would be monumental

$700 million per km seems very high. For comparison: 1. The BART Berryessa extension costed $150 million per km. 2. The BART San Jose extension has a budget for $670 per km and will go underneath downtown San Jose. 3. LA Purple Line phase 1 is fully underground and at $444 million per km. 4. LA Purple Line phase 2 is also fully underground and at $619 million per km. 5. Phase 1 of the NYC 2nd Ave subway cost $1.53 billion per km. 6. HART (which is in seemingly constant scandal over cost) is at $357 million per km.

Cut-and-cover was 100% the right choice for Eglinton West. If there were any complaints, the alternative should have been elevated. Best route here was elevated from Mount Dennis to Scarlet, then c&c to Martin Grove, then elevated over 427 to Renforth. For Scarborough, elevated is harder. But b&c along Eglinton and up McCowan. A "Old Mill" style station at Lawrence, then c&c to STC. short TBM under 401. c&c up to Sheppard and to CP Rail, then curve NE just north of corridor (c&c switching to trench to at-grade) to Markham/Finch. For Yonge, it's c&c to Cricklewood Creek - this makes it cheap enough to build Cummer, Steeles, Clark, Centre, Orchard. Sort of bridge over the creek. Continue c&c to the cemetery and then sharp curve (300m radius which is better than at Union) to get to the CN Rail just south of 407.

i think there should be 1 station at richmond hill centre, and shift langstaff go station up to match

I’m happy to see that plans are finally being made and put into motion. However... The current proposed routing is interesting. I feel like having the line stay under Yonge makes more sense and lobbying for extra funding is the way forward. Like you said the smaller local stations make sense in my ideas.

There should be more stations, not less, but if there can only be one; the most glaring omission of a stop between John and Centre Streets (Thornhill Centre) is a big mistake. Situated midway between Clark and Royal Orchard; the one stop there- with a bus terminus built- could handle commuter traffic from all four corridors (Clark, RO, Centre/Hwy 7 West, John/14th/Denison)... basically all of southernmost York Region.

Wish they would maybe get a way to take it past Richmond hill Center as Richmond hill Center just doesn’t seem to be able to serve the residents enough

Aside from the "Relief Line" what we need is more mid-city east west heavy transit, being subway. Eglinton will be a help, but really we something more. Our transit planners and politicos seem obsessed with everyone having to go downtown, whereas a huge number of the populas for , work, shopping, study and pleasure go perpendicular to that. A good indicator of that is our "Main Street", which has it's own TV program and that bypasses downtown entirely.

If there is one station that should be cut from the Yonge North extension, it would definitely be Cummer Station. Yonge and Cummer/Drewry is only a short walk to Finch Station. Thus it's redundant to have a subway station that is already well served by another one.

The Hurontario LRT was supposed to go further north but the city of Brampton said no

I would really like you to get into , in more detail, why projects are getting more and more expensive. Because this is something, that is such an innovation blocker in NA

It was very interesting !

Nice video! very helpful

One of the main factors as to why subways in Toronto are so expensive per km is because Toronto's subway cars are so huge compared to others. I've been on many Metro systems around the world and never seen any that come even close in size to the ones here. Even major systems like London, Paris and New York are significantly smaller.

Excellent channel! Have you seen mayoral candidate Ari Goldkind's suggested blueprint for long-term TTC expansion? That's worth a video in itself...

We should be getting more for the amounts we are spending. Why does it all of a sudden cost $500m to build an underground station?

Please, you really need to make a video about rural transportation.

Also....are they even sure it will fit next to the railway corridor? Its only 2 tracks wide right now but it's owned by CN (the Bala sub, their main track between Toronto and Sudbury) and I imagine GO will want to expand it in the future to accommodate more trains on the RH line. It also runs directly through a cemetery south of Hwy 407, and I mean idk about you, but I think the people whose ancestors are buried there might have a problem with the province digging a big trench next to their graves so that the subway trains can get in and out of the tunnels. Just a thought

My main issue is that Langstaff GO and High Tech stations are WAAAYYY too close together - I would extend all the way to Major Mac with 2 more surface stations and shift the first surface station to server both Langstaff AND High Tech

you should do a video explaining why Spain can build rapid transit so cheaply that no other develop nation can match.

This one’s for the algorithm

Leave space for infill stations later when funding is available

LOL nice thumbnail!!

They should have extended line 4 sheppard further east to meet line 3( to be line 2) in scarborough.

Great video as usual. I think we could see here something like the yellow line in Sáo Paulo. The line was opened before many infill stations were. It seemed to work. More infill stations were constructed as more money came in and ridership rose. Cheers.

Thoughts on the SRT shutting down by 2023?

They could also cut the "staff only lifts" to save money. I find that a ridiculous extravagance. Are the lifts that busy that they can't share them with the public, or actually use the escalators and stairs.

Those Route 60 buses never arrived on time and they bunched up like a subway... Another thing is that all those bunched up buses were full so it all skipped its actual stop number 1 at Yonge and Steele... I am so glad I drive now. Take The Car much eh :)

Reece is assuring us that he washes his clothes.

They should extend the subway to 16th, Major Mac, then to the TOC and bus terminal at Yonge north of Elgin Mills

oh my god I wish they built something over greenwood yard! greenwood is a miserable street to walk up

If the subway is going to start extending beyond the borders of Toronto, then how about a line 2 extension to Missasauga to connect with the Hurontario LRT, and maybe a subway out to Markham.

They'll debate it another 10 years, that's Toronto

I would suggest 30 buses an hour does not justify a subway. I think it would make more sense to build a lighter - elevated - train. Seriously the road allowance is large enough to build something down the middle. The roads are 30 meters wide, and likely the road allowance is likely 40 meters, it would not be visually overwhelming for most of it - to have a REM style grade-separated elevated track - with the overhead power. As I recall projections for ridership when initially proposed were on the order of 9,000 riders - peak hour peak direction. A smaller train that could be expanded - running frequently - would likely be cheaper - and offer more attractive service. Any savings should be placed into running the train further north.

Next year will be the 50 anniversary that finch will be a terminal

RE: Amount of bus trips on Yonge in the portion between Finch and RHC: "The Yonge North Subway Extension will save over 13 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions per average workday by reducing the 3,300 bus trips that will be needed to service Yonge Street by the time the subway extension opens in 2030".

I think that the money spent here could be better spent on running the richmondhill more frequently, making a nice connection between it and leslie subway station, and extending line 4 to scarborough town centre, that way everybody benefits.

Cummer Stations needs to stay. They don't need to make it a palace, something like North York Centre would be more than enough and you can catch the bus on the street like with Bayview station, so you don't need a bus bay either. That area is already intensifying and there is still land to build. Maybe give developers higher height restrictions if developers pay part of the cost of the station construction.

I think they can cut Cummer station. The Cummer and Drewry buses can go to Finch station. Cummer and Drewry are two lane roads that run through low density residential neighborhoods that don't have any real development potential.

Yonge North extension has been talked about for so long...

I would prefer the subway stations to be visually appealing , like in Montreal, but is just my opinion. 😒

wow seems quite mis -managed for such a important system

While it is reasonable to expect cost overruns due to unforeseen situations arising, Cost overruns should not be an expected and normal course of business. A more realistic estimate of the actual final cost would be a better choice. The cost overruns model is a political animal to make construction costs palatable to the citizenry on the assumption that they can't do anything about it once it's built!

I think you need to wash that sweatshirt more often to get those Raptors off. lol jk

The Langstaff station is unnecessary imo. The North part of Langstaff GO station is already connected to RHill terminal by the bridge tower, and the drive to Rhill terminal from North Langstaff is just around the corner. Even if they decide to build the subway station at the southern parking lot of Langtaff station, I still think it’s too close to really make a significant impact. Langstaff is still in the relatively southern part of the city, so it’s not like that station will be any closer to residents who live North of Langstaff around Major Mac and even Bernard. I know they aren’t going any further North than High tech so I’d rather have them build another station more south or scrap that extra station all together.

I hope they're not trying to build the stations with full mezzanines.

Line One Extension sucks, literally! I was a student at York university for four years since 2015, and I enjoyed less connectivity after Line One was extended to Vaugh city center. If I need to take a bus to any smaller urban area in GTA, it will take much longer now(at least 1 hour per trip). I am 120% for sure those who planed the new routes didn't read the heat map before they decided. In so much so, I am not against building more railway. Unlike many big cities in US, I think public transit in Toronto is still good enough that many people don't really have to drive. I just hate to see the city I love falls into a trap, when you build more lines but decrease the efficiency, and eventually it becomes so bad that everyone has to drive.

Having grown up at Yonge/Eglinton, the Yonge subway was a natural. In those days I was on the subway by myself as early as 9 or 10 years old. I excitedly toured every new subway opening from Bloor/Danforth, Yonge North to Finch, Spadina, and even RT. I could have gotten much use of a Crosstown route if it existed. Alas, I have watched the decades pass by and endured the pathetic development of Transit in this city/region. I've moved several times within Toronto and adjacent suburbs. This Yonge extention would be great (for my house price) because I live in the area. In fact, I had to take a deeper look at the new tunneling plans to see if any rendition showed tunneling UNDER my house. So far, it does not but only missed me by about 200-300 metres on current draft. That said, I think it is all a colossal mistake and will only overload the Yonge line as the trains move south. I used to have a hard time boarding trains at Eglinton station going to work in the 80's because the trains were full from Finch. To my knowledge, Metrolinx owns the rail from downtown to the John diamond (CN East/West tracks just north of Steeles.) Couldn't there be any way of adding tracks northbound to Hwy 7 (or further) and dedicating those for more frequent GO? Electrification? Could that be cheaper than the 5 -7 Billion dollars for extending the Subway. But they cannot even interconnect the GO with the Leslie subway. Oh well,, someone's making lot's of money and that's what it's really all about. Don't really care anymore for myself (except if it tunnels under my house). This city is good for making pronouncements and uttering platitudes - but nothing much gets done - and if it does - it's often too little, too late, and too expensive. my 2 cents.

it's utterly idiotic they've decided to move forward with this before finishing the ontario line or extending the sheppard line

As someone who has been to the new Spadina line stations, what Metrolinx needs to start doing is going back to basic subway designs like the ones in downtown. There is no reason for my tax dollars to build palaces while cutting stations to vital neighborhoods.

Given how costs are such an impediment to metro expansion (yet rarely is the same standard applied to highways), it would be great to see a video about ways metro planners could save money when designing stations/expanded lines. My ideas would include: - Skip the card swiping lanes which add considerable expense to stations. Consider making fares free. Without the segregated paid/not paid areas a station can be DRAMATICALLY simpler. - Skip the elevaters at stations. It's a huge expense that few use. - Skip the tvs and electronic arriving/departures boards. Most could use their phones now. - Not all stations need to be as long as the max train length. Low use stations could be just long enough for the front cars which passengers could be trained to use in such cases. - In select cases passengers should be allowed to cross tracks at grade. Many stations designed over-complicated and expensive walkways/tunnels simple to get to the other side of the tracks. - Property values shoot up around new train stations. Government (and not lucky landowners) should benefit from this value they created. Cities should buy this land and developer into high-capacity offices/apartments themselves for big profit.

I didn't know Canadians washed their clothes.

I agree this plan is really dumb.

Line 1 extension to Richmond Hill is a no go until the DRL is built with a terminal station at Dundas West. Riders from Finch to Eglinton may find themselves waiting for the 2nd and 3rd trains. IMO Yonge North is without value