I am genuinely concerned about the meta for the last couple of patches. Hunter, Paladin, Warlock are the best decks right now and all of them revolve around one single idea: “Either I roll them in the next three turns or I lose in the long game”. The idea is fine, but the problem is the consistency that they have in actually exploding your face by turn 5

I remember when a 4 mana 7/7 was a meme

This is only a few steps removed from modern Yu-Gi-Oh. Clearly it's not as bad as that right now, but it's a concerning trend

Not allowing cards to cost less than 1 kills Rogue instantly, it's also a very clunky rule to suddenly implement that breaks a lot of cards (as in they don't function anymore).

My hearthstone shame spiral is making a fun deck to try out. Running into the same hunter and warrior decks for an hour straight. Then I start rage playing plague knight to punish everyone including myself because not even the people playing plague knight like the deck.

At least we get to see Mark perform a 90 damage OTK with Pro Gamer in Wild

As someone who enjoyed the ancient 2015 fatigue mage 30 minute games and more recently Odyn warrior, I really hate it when the game is aggro win in 5. Doesn't feel like there's many decisions to be made in so few turns.

12:14 , its a graph rly, the more entertaining you are the less skill you need(why i watch rarran omegalol), and the more skill you have the less entertainment you need, but u always need to be a little entertaining.

The game is way way too fast right now. If your deck can't win on turn 4 or 5 it's too slow. There's so much value packed into low-cost cards.

I will watch the same video twice sometimes. Love the commentary and might just listen while cooking. Other times its a new fun meta deck or another that I might be interested for crafting so I watch for gameplay. Your main and second channels are perfect for both!

Entertainment value for sure. And these more Rarran videos are a great bridge for game play plus entertainment because you are inherently entertaining with your stream of thought. You're really living in the moment and are very good at articulating your random stream of consciousness!

It's amazing to see just how bad Hearthstone's power creep gets that it's getting near MTG levels of insanity. In some MTG formats aggro decks can literally win the game on turn 2-3, combo decks are typically a tiny bit slower(by 1 or 2 turns, no more) but in some formats have the insane ability of actually winning on turn 1. Any control deck worth its salt has to have answers ASAP to shut these decks down or else they just roll over and die. Hearthstone has always been slower than MTG by at least 2-3 turns, with less explosive potential(for example turn 1/2 wins was never actually possible, even turn 3 was incredibly rare if not outright impossible). These days we're getting to the point where turn 3/4 victories are very much on the table for many decks, and unlike in MTG your 'control' or disruptive options are severely limited, especially in the early turns. Also the reduced hand sized(yeah, yeah, no lands and all, doesn't make up for it entirely) increases the volatility even more, as a slower deck with a less than ideal start simply has no chance to beat the faster decks whereas if they do get an ideal start the faster deck is basically dead in the water, even if it will take many turns for them to actually lose they simply don't have the tools to mount a comeback.

0:55 I think there is also an issue of not letting the meta settle. Aggro decks are always the first decks to make an appearance in most Hearthstone Metas. Then as people get used to what is being played, Control Decks start stabilizing things, and then we end on some Midrange meta. However, this is made impossible when you have one of the most patched metas ever. It's almost like it wasn't playtested enough, which makes sense if there were staffing shortages due to layoffs.

Thanks for the video, regarding the question I personally watch for the vibes. You are pretty positive about the game and instead of complaining you find challenges and fun formats and that's sick :)

Dear Rarran, your links to side channels in the description of the main one are swapped. Link under Variety channel leads to vod channel and the same with the link under vod channel

12:28 I actually have the opposite take, I think in Hearthstone especially, entertainment is more important than gameplay, because the game is very casual oriented and easy to understand what is going on compared to most other competitive games like MtG, LoL, DotA, etc. Even as far back as Reynad days, I had tons of friends who watched Reynad's Hearthstone content without having ever played the game, just because Reynad was such a personality and so fun to watch regardless of what was going on on the screen. The game took more of a Subway Surfers role as filler in my opinion. Even as a fairly competitive person myself, having hit legend already this month, I don't watch Hearthstone content for quality gameplay but more for wacky stuff that I'd get too frustrated to play with myself in ladder, as long as the gameplay isn't so atrocious that it gets frustrating to watch.

really enjoying the recent bunch of 'rarran just playing hs and having fun videos

Who knew you just cannot design exponentially more powerful cards and reach this point eventually. HS needs a hard reset.

I haven't played Hearthstone since Boomsday Project. However, my most favorite deck that i ever made was Reno Hunter in wild, so this brings back great memories

Gameplay is what I look for I like decks I haven’t seen before

I don't know who will read this but I need help with hearthstone. I just don't know what to do. In apprentice mode I won, but all these other people with animated portraits and god-tier cards keep killing me and I am just not having fun anymore. I can't pay for good cards, but I want to win at least once or something. I'm probably bad but I don't know how to make a deck or where to start. It's making my hearthstone experience miserable...

Pain Warlock wouldn't ultimately need a nerf. It would probably be enough to just take Molten Giant from the Core set to push it back. It's right now one of the most unfun matchups to play against.

12:26 To answer the question. Entertainment. Especially conversations and taunting / joking.

the ape sound!!! i missed it

The fact they you kept a 9 drop on your mulligan says so much about the current state of the game. Also I don’t think a minimum of 1 cost rule would be they confusing if it was per card, which is what marvel snap does. Even if it was universal I don’t think it would that hard to fit on a card. Actually now that I think about it what if cost reduction was a key word? Seems like it would solve the confusion problem and it’s honestly common enough I feel like it could be.

You should check out the card game "Card City Nights".

No way the face in the thumbnail changed🎉🎉

Crazy how the only counter to Pain Warlock is just “hope they don’t draw well lmao”

Well, my very first game was against handlock and i remember when he plays a montain giant and molten then sunfury. I was WTF just happened and still playing only for build that deck

Entertainment is the most important part I believe, and you do it masterfully. Its important to remember that not even blizzard could make people care about competitive hearthstone, so its probably not you who will make people enjoy the competitive aspect of it. Keep up the great work :D

Im doing quite well against all the tier 1 decks with Zarimi Priest, not to mention its fun af to play, played 100 ranked games with it over the last week

17:10 there's already a mech 3 mana 2/5 with taunt and magnetic and nobody runs it

Does rarran have a PO Box or anything? I would love to send him my chaotic collection

I like your video.. u dont cut the rank.. u dont cut if you lose.. u record all of game, which is win or lose.. thanks for honestly..

My personal feeling (as someone who enjoys playing highlander warrior) is that Brann and Reno definitely still are problem cards but they don't matter in 90% of cases because so many decks nowadays require you to clear a full board every single turn starting turn 3, the biggest culprit of it being Crusader aura for paladin because if you leave even just a small board, it's going to be harder to clear next turn and you take a shit ton of damage

I think one of the things that makes this meta so frustrating is that cards have just gotten so much value added to them that it leaves very little room for counterplay. I think a lot of this comes from the dev team pushing for certain deck ideas they have to be introduced into the game, and then providing so many supporting cards for those deck archetypes that they become an inevitability. Then, they have to go back and nerf around the deck ideas until they’re too niche to be viable. I firmly believe that the solution to this is that specialized tech cards need to make a comeback, and I think that the current secret meta is a great example of why. The current secrets are basically just going to trigger, and there’s not much you can meaningfully do to play around most of them…they almost could just be a regular spell that both players see played. Now think about if they re-introduced a card like Kezan Mystic or Eater of Secrets - objectively bad to include in most decks, but super useful in the matchups where secrets are impactful. Having access to cards like that creates this two-way interaction between players, where the player playing secrets has to consider if they want to try and bait out the tech cards early, while the player with the tech has to decide when is the best place to utilize their tech. One of the few places where tech cards are currently done right in the meta today is weapon removal in the form of Rustrot Viper. It’s not a great card, unless you’re in a matchup where that tech matters, and by virtue of it being tradeable, both players know it’s on the table. It creates a game within the game about how to play around it, for both players. Who else remembers when they printed Skulking Geist? It was a good way to address the problem with Jade Idols, but at the cost of not only giving up one of your deck spaces, but also having to think about the cards in your deck that you would either have to not include when deck building, or be willing to sacrifice during the game. Good tech cards create not only a meaningful way to counter strong mechanics, but also make you really think when building a deck because you need to give something up, and in todays hyper-value meta, there just isn’t enough of that idea.

its almost as if the constant power creep is finally rearing the ugly results

It would be nice if they actually used rotation to phase out powerful effects... They could spread powerful effects instead of always trying to one-up themselves _(like if they print good late game cards, just print good early game cards in the next expansion instead of making even more insane late game cards)_

I think they need to REALLY reign in mana-cheating. The fact you can play multiple 0-cost 4/4 and 8/8 cards in the current Warlock deck is what makes it strong. The aggro hunter deck was similarly busted because of Saddle Up allowing you to get a 1-2 mana discount on a 3-cost beast.

Warlock happened, Warlock is dominating Standard and Wild.

im just done atm with hs i like slower decks so ive switched to magic

i quit yu-gi-oh 4 years ago, but thanks to this demon seed i got to experience it again

The origin of hearthstone was primarily slow, grindy, value oriented gameplay. You had to make decisions on board and whether to greed holding responses for a potential better use in the future. That iteration played well in my opinion; but when Ben Brode left and Jason Chayes came in (and later continued by Eric Dodds) he set a new direction to model after what makes MTG a more exciting game, decks having more decisive and specific win conditions to play towards instead of generic archetype templates tempo/aggro, value grindy, combo. That's the best style... for MTG where you can interact with your opponents by way of blockers choice, instant spells, and counter spells.... but I don't think it plays nicely in the hearthstone format. A large part of why Shudderwock was frustrating to the community was this effect earlier into the games lifecycle. The generic "combo" template I alluded to earlier had generally been decks that had to assemble 5 or so cards in hand, get to a high mana point, and then combo it for a win. That meant that as a tradeoff for an incredibly game winning combo, they would have to eat a lot of dead draws and fight around hand size limitations, so playing for tempo or value weren't feasible. In the Shudderwock list, you had a game winning combo... in one card, everything else could be played in advance whenever you had an opening to do so. You could just tempo out a Grumble, chain gang, mc tech, 3/3 deal 3 heal 3 mosquito thing (I forget the name) and even if those weren't optimal tempo cards for their cost, they weren't dead draws and had some impact on the game state to keep shaman alive and fighting until they 1 card killed you. Hearthstone just has too much card draw, no lands to draw into slowing down that draw further, and no ability to interact with the enemy turn. In the past you might interact with the enemies win condition by not hitting into a handlock and giving them cheaper mountain giants lets say, but every major win condition in the game now sets itself up to some extent when it's ready. Your options against the current iteration of mountain giant warlock leaves you with the decision of afk and don't deal damage until you can do 25+ in a turn, or take a gamble that the pieces aren't there to play against you.

A small nerf I think works for Molten Giants: At the END of your turn, discount the card by health lost.

Played like 20 games last night. Soooo few of them then were really a back and forth. They sometimes felt kinda tradey... Then you realize one person never took damage and the other is dead. 😊

Entertaining + gameplay for me

lmao standard seems faster than wild

For me, if I seek out video game content game play if first and foremost. Entertainment comes second. If I want entertainment I usually play the video game myself or seek different content. But I don't do twitch and just do youtube content because I do prefer focus on information. In terms of the meta game... there has been so many periods of time where games are won and lost in the first few turns. In fact I feel it has been that way more often than not. If I recall the last time the meta was in a "good spot" was during Festival of Legends. Every single class had a top tier deck. But I digress, I guess it is just the way games are won in the early turns. You can clearly see the stats and those stats close the game out quickly. But I would argue, again, Hearthstone is and has almost always been like this but next to no illusion about what is going on.

I think the issue with Wizbangs workshop is that the theme was "fun spins on hearthstone iconic cards". Well guess what, all the iconic cards were really pushed and strong, that is why they became iconic, since people played them. And thus you need a strong set to support it, since playing an obviously worse version of a classic card is no fun.

You should do a video comparing hearthstone cards and how they are in world of warcraft, I'd watch that.

They definitely need to be more liberal with the "but not less than 1!" italicized text to anything that has a cost reduction mechanic, especially for single card "combos" that rely on things like minions or health totals. Multi-card stuff should honestly be fine because at least there's some level of interactivity with drawing the puzzle pieces, but stuff like turn 4 mountain/molten has been broken since the beginning and the only reason it's kept alive is because the devs want Warlock to be Druid without the ramp period.

Just play spellmage. Beats the brakes off pally and warlock. Rock paper scissors at it's finest.

Rarran be like: I played two games with this deck and they weren't that bad... Is this the BEST deck of all time?

Couple of videos you've made recently you've been talking about the game being fun and it's been like "yeah, he's not playing Standard a lot, is he?"

"Wake up honey" again ? Even after I told u it's my alarm clock ? You little tease ;)

Whenever you lose, it always feels bad. That's the worst part of hearthstone current meta. That says a lot about power level of cards nowadays.

Change molten giants text to say: This cards cost is equal to your remaining health

Got legends in two days with misogynist lock 😂😆

Agency happened

To answer your one question, entertainment value. I’ve never played a single game of Hearthstone but I watch these for the person. I started with CynicalBrit and just kept watching person to person as time rolled on.

Rarran: "FoL was not great because of low power level. The first expansion of each year should always start with a bang." Also Rarran:"The meta is too out of control, they should've lowered the power level with the rotation" Pick you poison lil bro...

These games seem extremely tame. None of the games seemed particularly crazy.

Atleast with warlock if you clear the board they have trouble, meanwhile flood paladin has like unlimited resources lol

It feels like Hearthstone needs another formatt, like MTG has Legacy, Modern and Standard. You basically finish this year with this absurd power level, rotate to the mid power format, and reduces greatly the power level next year for the new standard format.

Its just a disgusting critical mass of consistency. Decks and classes that have weaknesses have been supplemented and those weaknesses negated by power creep. In the form of stats, value or mana cheat. Just so many boring cases of game ends when opponent played 2-3 cards on curve. Just would be interesting if games got to 10 mana.

And people disliked rastakhan rumble for its low power level. You can't have your cake and eat it

Rarran this Warlock decks whole idea is to be low HP, maybe stop hitting them down into Molten Giant range it might help

Pain warlock. Only counter is either mage (hold burn in hand) except you still get rolled if they heal back to 15 with the 6/6 demon. OR you're forced to play flood paladin. Anything else is an instant-loss. Right now when I queue up against warlock I concede instantly and move on

All i want is for automatons to be good. Too bad we cant have that.

Yeah the game is way too fast. I feel like optimal I am having Fun Hearthsone is getting to turn 13 or so before you die. If any deck is winning on turn 4 it is a problem.

I play secret hunter secret hunter is fun Paladin is whack too OP

Well - Zilliax manacheating was the problem in this video...

all the giants need nerfing. Rogue spilling stats on board with spell reduced giants.

Just counter the meta. Played control warlock to Legend, preforms really well against those top decks.

I've seen a lot of people talking about the "cards shouldn't cost less than one" rule but I really can't help but disagree with it. Now admittedly yes, the two best decks in the game are abusing the ability to reduce the costs of large minions to 0 but I think it's worth stressing that we're talking about Sea Giant and Molten Giant here. These cards have been in the game for *yeaaaars* and we haven't needed a fundamental gameplay change to keep them in check before. Outside of these specific aggro decks, such a change would disproportionately affect Demon Hunter, Mage and Rogue in the long term. I get being annoyed with the current meta. Aggro aggro aggro all day is a frustrating circumstance, but I really don't think the "no costs below 1" rule is a suitable solution long term.

molten giant back to 25 please

The power level of certain cards is crazy For example the gigantify shaman murloc card a 1/1 then 8/8 with a battlecry of another 8/8 total of 16/16 just for 8 mana!

4:50 Ah yes, the game famous for horrible card text and never knowing for sure what a card will do before you play it is "very intuitive". I think the game has needed a "but not less than 1" clause for a very long time, but the other thing hearthstone is famous for is nerfing around the problem.

Reno single handedly stops all minion based decks. Deleting reno from the game should be the first step

Daily duty of denying the “first” comment

Everytime Rarran brings up how little he knows about WoW, I think to myself: 1. Buy a subscription to Classic WoW 2. Ask an OG Hearthstone creator who is also known for WoW such as WoWCrendor to show you around - specifically for card easter eggs/legendary creatures in glorious 3D and of course turn this into a video for the WoW nerdies 3. ????? 4. Profit

Honestly, the only cards I have problems with in the current meta are Salesman being a 2/2, Painter's Virtue, and Costs (1) Less Zilliax. Overall, there's a lot of variety in what types of decks are playable, everyone can find *something* that they like and do decently with it. If anything, I think it's a little too easy to hard-wall into game winning push turn 6-7 on, but the decks doing it are doing it in pretty different ways, and I feel like to some extent that type of gameplay is part of hearthstone's identity, so I'm mostly ok with it even if it's annoying sometimes. Lifesteal was kind of a mistake though lol.

Too many nerfs have driven me away from hearthstone. Most the player base couldn't even handle other card games.

I can't stress how sick I am of this dogshit aggro meta that is more consistent with its gameplan than my immunity system

Been playing aggro Demon Hunter to counter Warlock and Paladin, beats pretty much everything except Bran Warrior because Blizzard desperately needs to remove lifesteal as an option from Zilliax

I think problem isnt only pain warlock problem is scam aggro decks like stupid paladins and hunter and pain warlock they basically made all deck scam or aggro no real control and after bran nerf this kids came back

Definitely entertainment is what looking for in a hs streamer because hs is just a joke for competitiveness

I mean the meta feels a little better but it seems like there are always the decks on top that kill you on turn 6

Funny how rarran complains about pala and hunter turn 3. But then gets rekt by 15:00. I need to win games at turn 3-4 or i lose to that everytime. Fixing standard the way it is now is not an ez task. You need to kill prop like 1/2 of all cards in standard.

I think thwy should nerf every card that costs 2 or less and abaolutley destroy paladin and hunter. Fuck aggro

Hearthstone✖️ Yugioh ✅️

Why does rarran yap about his turn like hes playing some tournament just play the cards and yap about some other bullshit

any streamer account gets better luck bro. your opponents will draw worse kbjrctively against a streamers account, go play on an alt account for a while, just smurf a bit on stream and take your bigfest highlights from diamond of the game taking your agency from you.

This game is literally 85 percent bots. It went down the drain hard over the last few years.

Lich King destroyed the game, this expansion made hs p2w game asf

Crazy how the only counter to Pain Warlock is just “hope they don’t draw well lmao”