It’s SO refreshing this podcast. Actual adults having a friendly conversation and debating.

Colin and Jaffe is the best combination in modern gaming podcasts, really wish this could somehow be a regular thing

Colin will lead the army to eradicate all AI robots no hold barred while Jaffe will lead the underground railroad for AI robots. This is Detroit Become Human in real life lol.

I love when Jaffe makes Colin uncomfortable lol

Being a visual artist myself, Jaffe's position on A.I art makes a ton of sense. It's still depressing and apathetic as fuck though. I'd rather have a reason to get out of bed than just sit in a tube with feel good drugs. Thats the ultimate distopia. Id rather go through the whole creative process myself, the good, the bad, and everything in between. Homeostasis is what drives humanity, not artificial intelligence

I hate it when theres no timestamps lol

I could listen to Colin and Jaffe talk about anything

If the rest of humanity was as laissez faire as Jaffe about human existence then we never would have gotten to this point.

Jaffe's argument that 'everything we do is driven by the desire to feel good' was destroyed by Dostoevsky in 1864 with 'Notes from Underground'. What does it even mean to do something in order to feel good? Feel good in the short term or feel good in the long term? The way one acts will differ significantly depending on the answer to this question.

This episode gets so out of pocket so quickly lol. Love it

Jaffe eps are always fun. Genuinely fascinating to see a successful game designer view the whole artistic process without an ounce of romanticism for it. Seems crazy to me but still fun to hear it all from his pov. Great ep! And man, the AI discourse is only gonna get weirder as the decades go on

As a psychologist, I think the part that Jaffe is missing that Colin understands is the importance of meaning making on human functioning. Whether or not we’re 0s and 1s or just chemicals, the fact that we make meaning from our experiences is what actually brings us joy. If you meet someone’s basic needs and beyond but lock them in a room with no way for them to make meaning of their existence, they will likely become depressed no matter how much they have to “feel good.” Jaffe is using a logical argument while Colin is using a feeling argument, and in the end, the feeling component is the nature of humanity.

I'm grateful that Jaffe is wrong most of the time because if his future came to bear, it would be dreadful.

I’m with Colin about Taylor Swift and the NFL. At first I found the constant camera cuts to her press box during games a little annoying. Then some people started acting like she’s literally “ruining the NFL” and I’m sorry but that’s an overreaction.

As a fan of the first Faction, shooters and online games I'm actually heartbroken about TLOU Online being cancelled. ND could've absolutely delegate the project to another studio or Sony could've spinned a support studio out of ND if the game required long-term live support. To me this speaks of ND not wanting to compromise by letting another studio touch on their IP, heck TLOU Remake was initially developed by Sony's Visual Arts Service Group until ND took over. Same thing with the PC port, Sony litteraly bought a studio to focus on their PC ports but ND are too controlling to let a 3rd party mingle with their IP. I just think ND didn't want to see the project come to life, and it took a lot of reports for them to say something... very very dissapointing.

The Helldivers 2 reaction missed very hard lol.

On AI, Jaffe doesn’t want to create, he wants the product. That’s not art.

Jaffe is one of the few people that can go toe to toe with Colin and I love it. We need more Jaffe.

Would love a Total Chaos eps every QTR make it a limited series kinda show

This podcast episode alone was worth the 5.00 a month

Being a Concept Designer myself I can say that "AI art" is a tool, its not something that people should rely upon and then credit themselves for it. Its like using an APP to synthesise music using notes of a violin vs an actual violinist. A regular person may not know the difference unless they hear both live but a trained ear would tell the two apart straight away. We use things like Photo-Bashing and Kit-bashing but still need to train ourselves in fundamentals of design in order to understand how to correctly create something. A person without such knowledge or who doesn't know basic anatomy, lighting or blending tools etc. would just make an unprofessional mess and would be useless to the industry.

Colin really said people need to open their mind to playing different types of gsmes? He's the most stubborn gamer at LSM 😆

One of the things I love about art, music, movies, etc, is getting to learn the creative process and techniques used to create the product. Imagine going to a convention and asking a guy at the booth, "How'd you make this?" and the response was "oh i had AI do it." It's no longer awe inspiring. I definitely get using AI to help proof read a paper and provide feedback if you've written it yourself. But having it do the entire creative process for you isn't exciting to me. Also, reducing everything we do down to beeps and boops isn't the slope I'd like to go down.

I could not disagree more about Jaffe’s take on free will not existing. Creativity isn’t the arbiter of evidence of free will. So many other notions of human free will disprove the opinion that free will doesn’t exist. I respect the take and its attempt of computing it with chemical balances, but there’s so much more to it than that.

Jeffe's view of AI is disturbing

Colin: Art, Training Jaffe: Business, Money That's it, folks. Purpose vs Outcome. Should art be for art's sake? Does art say anything about the person that made it or is it just a commercial product and it doesn't matter who made it or how it was made?

Takashi Tezuka, Miyamoto's partner in crime and co-director since the early early days. Severely overlooked. Main director of Super Mario World, ALttP, Link's Awakening, Yoshi's Island, among others.

I love when Jaffe is on. The chaos and insight is fun and super informative.

I'm actually working in the AI space in game development and I think there's a huge gap in understanding how some of these models work. Most people are only aware of generative ai and chat gpt. There are various methods of machine learning like convolutional neural networks and generative adversarial networks that aren't just "text regurgitation" like large language models. Also, to add to Jaffe's point, I would posit that our brains are actually really complex neural networks and most machine learnings models are based on this core concept. If you understand how brain neurons and dendrites etc work and communicate, it actually is very mechanical - almost like 1s and 0s.

Colin is discounting that the AI is actually making something novel, just as a human who looked at all the information it did would create repsonses based on that. It's not just 1's and 0's, that's the most reductive thing ever. You're ignoring that the programmer produces the process and the type of outcome they want.

To me, the AI conversation was depressing. Jaffe's argument makes sense from a purely utilitarian view, but the issue with art is that utilitarianism isn't quite as relevant to expressing your artwork. It's a reflection of your passions and interests and talents. Offloading that to a computer sucks.

The tangents in this episode are WILD

Hands up everyone who had ‘Colin and Jaffe discuss Sex and The City and Downton Abbey’ on their bingo cards for this ep….pure fire haha :)

For the record I love you Jaffe and I love that there are still people in this world that are friends that can disagree with each other respectfully plus you and Collin have a great dynamic

Jaffe’s comment about taking a pill and living in a test tube with a feeling of euphoria 24/7 really reminded my of Cypher’s “ignorance is bliss” monologue in The Matrix. Jaffe is Cypher.

I really enjoy Jaffe here, bringing a different perspective than what you typically listen here(They usually look at the industry like it's 2011). on the gaming industry and realizing that things are changing.

Tbh I highly respect Colin and Jaffe but I don't keep up with their content or many KZfaq channels too much as I get older. I looove them together though and will always tune in for these podcasts. Another great conversation between two awesome dudes.

Jaffe is a legitimate contender for biggest midwit ever spawned by the gaming industry and that's saying something.

The printing press also lead to some of the bloodiest religious wars in European history

The older I get, the less time I have to game, I was amazed I managed to finish BG3, but it took a lot of effort to get the time to play it.

I’m a solo dev who uses AI with help with programming because I’m not a great programmer and I love making games. I’ve also used it for an image for a concept I was working on but I couldn’t get the correct silhouette. So I asked AI for my drawing in silhouettes and now I have a hopefully amazing concept on my hands. If I could afford programmers and artist I 100% percent would, but I’m not there yet.

Colin thinking his taste in games is "eclectic" is crazy. His gaming habits are very niche if anything. Great episode as usual with you two. Would love to see it become a regular thing.

Jaffe, a tip for getting more nutrition throughout the day when not being hungry is find some nutritious snacks that are easy to grab. Maybe hard boil a number of eggs (natures multivitamin) to eat throughout the week, small amount of almonds (nutritious but high calorie), protein shake/bars, bone broth to sip on, etc. Fortunately with low appetite you have less cravings food that’s on the unhealthier side. I try to view food as stat increases. I’m not a nutritionist or Dr, but having these readily available helps me keep a healthy diet and avoid so hungry where I succumb to easy/unhealthy options. They’re also low effort so I can keep working. Always enjoy the Colin x Jaffe podcasts, keep it up 👍

Happy for Jaffe to finally make an appearance in 2024!

2:20 naming legendary game designers: "Neil Druckmann" dude... WHAT ?? Colin... for the love of GOD please say sike... please tell me you're joking lmaooo

I think the AI conversation is very interesting. Colin is too against it, and jaffe is too for it, when I'm really in the middle. I see both sides. I love these episodes.

Jaffe with the most anti-human take I’ve ever heard. He’s already offloading his creativity to a computer

The abrupt end to this show is such the perfect endcap to its chaotic nature. Love it!

I love Jaffe but strongly disagree with his AI and streaming takes.

Listening to Jaffee's comments on HD2 look ridiculous now.

Jaffe seems to be what happens to a once creative person after being churned out by corporate America. He was already results driven enough to get into the industry, but he seems to detest the creative process now.

25:10 FYI The game Jaffe is talking about here is called "Iron Meat"

Jaffe’s take on Helldivers 2😂😂😂

Jaffe would love 30 For 30.

On the topic of AI it seems to me this is a case in which Colin allows what he wants to be true overpower his brains logic on what is more likely to be true.

I’ve told Jaffe this a hundred times but it’s worth mentioning… one of the frustrating things about Jaffe’s perspective (on everything) is that he has NO REGARD FOR POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES. Whether that’s an AI apocalypse, or the quality of the game industry degrading substantially (cuz of sub services; for example), stuff like that. Things that most of us think about and say “no! We don’t want that to happen!” so we resist it, Jaffe says “oh well if it happens it happens.” I think that’s what leads to soooo many of his opinions that frustrate people or confuse them.

Both of these guys come off as being extremely pompous and smug, while at the same time saying just how *humble* they actually are

Moriarty - Jaffe 2028 You got my vote

Man... I wonder who would ever work for Jaffy.

These guys are great together, nice to see two people who don’t always agree on things have a discussion

There is enough “old” content (music, games, movies, books, shows, comics, etc) to last lifetimes. But that doesn’t stop us from wanting new content.

You guys have such interesting chats, I think this deserves to be a bi-weekly, or even just once per month podcast! Who's with me? 🙂

Jaffe is one of the few people who can demolish Colin's views, nice change of pace

This is the first episode I watched, just found the show, and I have to say this was such a refreshing change for a gaming related content. intelligent & experienced adults discussing interesting topics. Really enjoyed this, subscribed & am looking forward to more! PS: Grats on the 12"

I hope this isn't the guest Colin was referring to when he said, a highly requested guest. He's on the show plenty.

The other thing that people need to realise is that while using AI Art, its ok for maybe in-house quick turnarounds where we many times do a quick photoshop of some photos of the internet to convey an idea to the team, but these are all mostly towards original drawings. These quick photo bashes are Never seen on any outward facing art that you see in most "Art of.." books. Hence the same should be the case of how AI art is treated, its not something that should be allowed in the open space with people making tones of cash off of someone else's artwork while having absolutely no art themselves.

how often do women ask guys out? that's just a cop out for women to not pay equality... until the waiter brings the check

Man I really hope Sony keeps making their own engine, it gives their games their own feel

Based on your Helldivers - Foamstars analogy. It makes no senso to launch Rise of the Ronin on the same day as Dragons Dogma 2. It is set up to fail while the target audience is probably the same.

There is a difference in an Artist training themselves based on learning from the Masters and then creating their own work and slowly developing their own visual identity and an AI basically photobashing a couple of images together (mostly pretty badly)

I appreciate the conversation, but I feel sometimes Jaffe likes having the current polarizing opinion for the sake of it. I have also noticed a lot of these people tend to have this opinion because they are untalented and lazy in all aspects of life. It reminds me of hackers in a competitive multiplayer games. They lack of the motivation or respect to the development of the skills required. Note: using AI as a tool is fine; but it shouldn’t be a replacement/theft of intellectual property and style.

Colin is a great guest, he should be on the show more often! :D

Jaffe, as smart as he pretends to be, thinks a biological sex can be switched based off of belief and not science.

I love it, David Jaffe: "Stop being loyal to a piece of hardware" Says this to a guy who has started three PlayStation podcasts over the years and regards it as scared

Dude I was just listening to the 8month old episode with Jaffe. Tbh I'm new to LSM, came here coz of Brad, but I do check out Jaffes G&G from time to time. It's like the crossover of a crossover for me man.

Oh fuck, he's on Ozempic!? Jesus Christ... Why do that to your body?

I really do feel sorry for anti-human people like Jaffe.

My personal favorite episodes. You should add Gene once in a while 😂

Listening now to Davide jaffe talking about helldivers makes me laugth!! His takes are mostly wrong i have found the pas coupke of years!!

This duo is better than Colin and Greg in their best days. There's something very special going on here, my dudes

this guy is brutal, jeffe is extremely disconnected with reality

"Babe I'll be missing dinner tonight. Latest Jaffe/Colin show just dropped"

1:52:56 Colin is a person who can’t deal with normal life on his own, so he fills himself with weed and antidepressants, and has the gall to call somebody else a crybaby. Real pot calling the kettle black energy.

Jaffe and I are complete opposites but I love to hear his takes on the industry. I think he is a visionary and I love his work.

Jaffe and Collin need their own show . Even once a month is fine

⚠ Remember, this is a PlayStation/Gaming podcast.

I love how Jaffe try to bullshit his way to laziness and greed through his AI justification. And no, that AI couldn't exist without the real artists. He says he cares about humans but what about people's creative drive and mental health? Just put everyone in tubes and feed them drugs David. The creative process was already democratic. It's just people who won't put in the work.

Jaffe, you are legendary! Don't let others tell you otherwise!

The universe can be deterministic and free will still be true. Jaffe is arguing from a reductionist bias, though. Creativity and beauty are higher levels of abstraction, but they are real. The fact that everything is made of up atoms set in motion from the beginning of the universe is true but it's not a good explanation of what anything is. Free will is a better explanation for what we do than "chemicals in the brain" made us do it. While true that a statue of Winston Churchill is just a bunch of atoms, you need to understand higher level abstractions like nations, leadership, tradition, war, enlightenment, western values etc to have a good explanation. If this talk between two video games personalities scratching at the surface of the conversation is interesting to you, I recommend the book Beginning of Infinity by the physicist David Deutsch.

I think Game Pass is worse for creating padding

I love when Jaffe is on. Always great conversations.

I liked Jaffe’s use of the term democratization of creativity. In the 70s through the 90s we still had very small groups of people generating games. That disappeared as technology required bigger and more elaborate teams. AI will allow small teams with a creative vision to make games again. With publishers becoming more risk averse I think that will ultimately be a good thing.

I see Jaffe I immediately have to watch 🙏🏼

Gosh, the AI talk with Jaffe is infuriating. He is so good at spinning a logical response instantaneously, that he just goes “yeah, but IS the dog really unaware like you think?” Yeah, Jaffe. We do. Because dogs aren’t in positions of politics and teaching colleges, and built the infrastructure of society. What we DO give dogs proper credit for is their instinct to be service dogs in unique situations for human beings. I hate his pretentiousness. It’s annoying BECAUSE it’s a rant on “what if” with no reality. Colin is making sense, for example, about his dog not knowing much like humans do. But in Jaffe’s understanding, “but does it?” Anyways… this is my opinion on Jaffe’s opinion. Take it or leave it. 🙂

Colin and Jaffe's disagreement on living a perfect life in a test tube or enduring life for the human experience reminds me a lot of Joker and his final antognist's disagreement in Persona 5 Royal. Hopefully Colin gets around to playing it one day, I feel like that last semester added in Royal would resonate a lot with him.

The AI discussion was very engrossing, well done lads!

Love love love when Jaffe is on. Great discussion, Guys!

Jaffe, please consider Carnivore/Keto instead of Ozempic - this will help you lose weight naturally and retain muscle - you will be able to eat intuitively - eat when hungry, fast when not hungry, and won't have the side effects of Ozempic

Having Jaffe on is always so enjoyable since he seems to be one of the few who pushes back against Colin.

Jaffe is legendary. He needs that in his title.