Thank you for watching this Sister! This blesses me, all glory to God!

Melissa , are you Calvinism Christian like Apologia? I think Calvinism is only a few steps out of delusion from Mormonism. I'm just curious. I just favor non-denominational Christians, who are interested in maybe learning like the Hebrew words and their meanings to better understand scriptures--but aren't obsessed with adhering to one man's--or multiple men's--interpretation of scripture. Like how a certain Hebrew word means "Thou Mayest" but is often translated as 'thou shalt' or just stuff like that.

Oh hey hey Melissa! I love your videos. I’ve learned a lot from you. Thank you!

@@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843 I've been very clear that I'm not a Calvinist. I've been friends with Jerry and Andrew for many years. (As well as many Charismatics and other Reformed peeps.)

Absolutely! That was a moment for her! Jack was just the loud trumpet that got her attention. Praying she gets to see the freedom and guilt-free love of Jesus.

All glory to God. Praying for them.

So true!! The moment I began actually thinking for myself and seeking THE LORD and not Joseph Smiths idea of who He was… I quickly realized I had been in a cult my entire life

You don't think there are any mental gymnastics in adopting the Evangelical point of view. The trinity in itself requires mental gymnastics. Even more so, trying to say God is loving and yet he will let the majority of his creation go to Hell requires mental gymnastics as well. Do you not see it?

The TRI, unity of God:.. the 1 being Of God, existing in the 3 distinct and separate personage. Hell is a permanent separation from the TRI unity of God. Hell was not created for his “imago dei”, man being created as image bearers of GOD but Sin , our willingness to turn and walk away from God separated us from HIM. It was never part of his creation and desire to send man to hell. It was for the evil one and his fallen angels. But for us “ while we were yet sinners, Jesus died for us.” The very nature and the exact imprint of God, Jesus, God who took on flesh made his dwelling place among us and took upon Him the sins of the fallen world and reconciled US the sinners to a holly and Just triune God. It’s only through the blood of Jesus are we found right and have peace with GOD So question for you?? Why would a Holly, Just and all loving God force someone into His presence for eternity? In other words, if you’re content with the separation and Sin that has been placed on this earth by man why would you ever care to be in His presence in the life to come? Is that loving to force a real relationship onto someone for eternity?

@Clark-po2rb I agree. I am Mormon. I do not choose sin but, just as everyone else, I am fallible. I choose to be with God after this life and will be with you in Heaven.

Praise God, we were trying to exercise wisdom there.

(This is to you, Patrick, and also to Apologia themselves but I can’t tag both on phone) Would you mind explaining the correction here in the comments? I’m a Christian and still learning and I’m scared to say that I didn’t quite pick up on it! I’ll edit my comment with a timestamp too :) thank you so much if you guys do answer and no problem if you don’t! I know the Lord will reveal it to me as well as I keep studying the Word. edit: I believe the comments you guys were referring to started around 29:30

Not correcting her free will (yet), will hopefully be the liberating factor that will free her from the clutches of the deception practiced. That is not wisdom. That is clearly deception. May she maintain her own mind and free will. Thanks for admitting that you do not respect her and wish to deceive from the beginning. May she recognize those red flags. That is of Satan, not Jesus.

⁠@@justvibin9887Yes! Just briefly. We live (sadly) under the influence of a very man-centered kind of theology/philosophy that assume that the reason God sent Jesus was to give us the option to exercise our free will. In this view is very common to assume that God is crossing His divine fingers hoping that people will not reject His offer of salvation. But the Bible teaches differently. It teaches that our free will is free to act according to our nature. If we are sinners dead in sin we cannot use our free will to choose God. The book of Romans, for example, teaches that left to our own “free willing” we are doomed to an eternity separated from God because in our unregenerate state (carnal state, having not been born again) our mind cannot obey God neither it wants to do so - so assuming that God sent Jesus to see if we will receive him through our fallen free will is a no-no. And then Paul continues to explain, still in Romans, that salvation is a gift of grace that we receive through faith according to a plan God prepared before hand for those whom He knew before hand (speaking of relational knowledge), in order to make evident that salvation depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy (Romans 9:16). Now, you will have people saying that this is not just, but they do this because they presuppose man deserve grace. The Bible teaches the opposite, we actually deserve God’s wrath. As you read Romans you’ll find that God says “Esau I hated, but Jacob I loved.” So, when you read that statement remember that the amazing part is not that God hates Esau, Esau is a sinner who deserves justice. The amazing part of that statement is that God loved Jacob who also deserves wrath. I hope that helps. I’m not sure if our brothers from apologiautah agree with me 100% but I suggest you read the book of Romans and let the Spirit speak to you. I can fail in my explanation but He will never lead you astray. And don’t forget the reason we want to learn “deep doctrines” is because we want to know God Himself not to argue with our Christian brothers like the brother who is accusing me up here to be Satan. He thinks he is changing the world. 😂😂

@@justvibin9887Also, I apologize for poor grammar. It is 2am and I’m trying to care for my pregnant wife who developed a fever out of nowhere. But I wanted to answer to you now because tomorrow will be a busy day with work, studying and a meeting with two LDS missionaries in the evening. Pray for that meeting!

She's a Calvinist

@@DiscerningMagnetismOh wow that’s great to hear! How do you know?

@@Eagle_Powers Did you watch the video?

@@DiscerningMagnetism I said how do you know she is a Calvinist?

@@Eagle_Powers You didn't say, you asked how. I watched the video.

Yepp crazy. Love it.

But how do you explain the Mormons and other Christians who "want to do what God asks them to do" even if their beliefs differ than yours. Are they not saved? They desire to do Gods will as well.

@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m They follow a different God.

​@kamarwashington And does that different God actually exsist? Because if so, then I guess Evangelicals are wrong about there being only one God. And if not, I suppose the real God will see the Mormons trying to worship him (the real God) and will save them anyways because they have faith im him. Unless you think the one sin that God will not forgive is incorrect theology about who he is.

@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m I’m meaning they’re serving an idol. Just like Muslims and other faiths that recognize Jesus. Your line of reasoning justifies even non-Christians. Idols don’t save, as they aren’t real. Besides, Mormons have a multitude of problems. Getting God wrong is one of many.

Let’s pray that the Lord uses this!

I joined Mormonism many years ago (1983) and left after 6 years. It was when I found out that men think they will become gods that I was out. Investigators are told that Mormonism is just another Christian denomination. It’s not until you attend for a while that you begin hearing how different it really is.

@@ginamiller6754 My daughters best friend was raised Mormon. She doesn't believe. Her mother found out and threatened her with some kind of Mormon conversion therapy. So she no longer is open with her parents about her beliefs. Or lack thereof. There is a lot of deception within that religion. And a lot of coercion. But my biggest concern is that creating a alternate Christ strips the ability to be covered by his atonement. Because a false Christ can't save you. I'm praying that more and more Mormons , as well as others in false systems will hear and be saved to the true Christ. I'm glad you got out. I'm grateful for my salvation as well. Praise and glory to Christ our Lord

Yea pray for him.

@@apologiautahMormons use similar tactics to what Muslims do and they both make the same arguments that Atheists make Nicene Creed and The Trinity as well.

I do have to memorize that one. Thank you! 🙏

I agree!! My Mormon sister in law named one of her twin boys Titus. I asked my Mormon mil if she knew the verse and if he was named after the Bible, but no, he was named after a family member. I was sad because I was trying to do some ministry.

Revelation 20:12 King James Version 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their Works. ... lol works not judged according to their faith ... Revelation 22:12 King James Version 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his WORKS shall be. ... works again ... 1st Timonthy 2 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. ... charity holiness sobriety faith better do the works ... Mathew 25 kjv 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. ... now notice in vs 44 they call him lord and that is faith but they didnt do works and got everlasting punishment everlasting fire keep in mind this is Jesus talking but i guess you can call him a liar works works works your doctrine is false nice smug hate video try harder

@@unholywarrior9007works are required for salvation not to be saved ( initially )Ephesians 2:8-9 and that’s where mormans have it right! I agree with all those scripture you just wrote! Praise God brother! Titus 3:14 be careful to maintain GOOD WORKS!! John 15:14 you are My friends “if” (this is a condition) “you” (giving instructions to you to do) do whatever I command!

@ramonmaldonado5803 hey curious do you have a different definition for saved salvaged salvation or all the same ?

Lol goes to first baptist? You mean the people that watched its founder bail 1 month after starting it because he claimed they didn't have authority to baptize.... so 2 months later when people were leaving the church, they changed to teachings and said baptism isn't necessary anymore and priesthood isn't needed "so come on back yall"

@@curtisdecker3175 I'm not familiar with that particular church. Was that not the church that was recommended in this video?

@K3mbusm read your comment... you said "praying she goes to the first Baptist church or another" You recommended your church... and you don't even know the history of your church which I grew up in and left.

@K3mbusm why you playing dumb and lying, pretending you don't know.

@@curtisdecker3175 What church do you attend, Curtis?

I know right and I’m amazed that he and many other Mormons have no idea what their own belief is.

@@henkaistudio I just read this yesterday in the D&C D&C 130:3 "John 14:23-The appearing of the Father and the Son, in that verse, is a personal appearance; and the idea that the Father and the Son dwell in a man’s heart is an old sectarian notion, and is false." Total outright denying the legitimacy of the Bible.

@@JesusPPK Yeah I figured so and D&C contradicts The Book of Mormon as well. But Mormons try to have it both ways but you can’t have it both ways at all.

@@henkaistudio cults tend to take bits of what fits their theology to make doctrine. It's quite sad.

@@JesusPPK Yeah I know and yes it is very sad indeed and also Mormons tend to use similar tactics that Muslims use as well. Both Mormons and Muslims are shown to be very similar to each other and in fact they both have a lot more in common with each other than they do with Christians which is crazy.

Praise God Sister! I pray you guys had a good trip!

He's not helping her through a tough transition. He passed her off onto somebody else. And made a video about it for a small amount of money. He was laughing about it.

what charity work does Apologia Utah do?

@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m I'm sure if they establish themselves as a legitimate church, they will perform the charity you are questioning. The path they are currently on is dark and latent with uncertainties. Rather than be trained by the Word of God and led by the Holy Spirit, they follow the training of Jeff Durbin and are led by Jeff Durbin. As long as this is true, they will never mature and blossom under God. Durbin wishes to be great and large. He is power hungry and controlling. He does not want other plants to grow like him/his. He wishes to keep everyone and everything under him/his. Megalomania and Narcissism.

Those were the verses that resonated with me & that’s how Jesus reached me. I gave my life to Him ALONE when I read them. I’d been raised thinking I had to be perfect so I’d given up! (I won’t mention which church, but it wasn’t mormon. ) I guess I’ll never understand why people don’t question the teachings in any organization. I did & I’m so glad I did. Being saved is beyond what words can express. 🙌

Praise God!!

That's exactly it! I see them as the Pharisees as well. I hope you come and join us (evangelicals) someday soon.😊

I would like to hear more of your story because I have a different view about the leaders of the LDS Church. I think they want the best for everyone and obeying commandments means you don't have to accept the consequences of bad actions. It is logical. I don't think they are perfect but no one is. Do you see the error in Evangelical beliefs as well? Such as they believe most people will go to a torturous Hell while they are eternally happy? The biggest belief in the LDS church is that ALL people are children of God, and as imperfect as the leaders are, they believe this to the core. Evangelicals can not say the same.

@@allieReformed i want to bring the "evangelical" spirit to my mormon family and friends but I have to play Professor Snape! LOL otherwise they will NEVER listen to me.

@@99blackbirds I hear you! My Mormon family won't listen to me either (yet). Please make sure you're saved in the meantime.🙂

Also, I love when she calls out the hypocrisy of Latter-day Saints who disapprove of Christians preaching to them yet it’s perfectly okay for LDS missionaries to convert Protestants, Catholics, etc. al. to Mormonism. And for Andrew saying that Jesus is a cornerstone, not a stepping stone.

Excellent insight!

I would like to engage in dialogue with you if you don’t mind. May I ask how much of the Bible you’ve read just to know have a starting foundation. And of the extra biblical text that are part of the LDS

Joseph Smith was a Freemason. Look up Ex Freemason testimony ; it's the Worship of Lucifer hence why the LDS doctrine teaches you can become a God.

I can talk with you. I am not sure if you will tell me anything different then any other Evangelical that I have talked too and it is so discouraging. I have studied the old testament and new testament. And I see both the Evangelical view and the Mormok view. And I also see the Bart Erhman view (he is a Agnostic religious historian). I learn truth in all these view points and I piece them together to try to complete this picture of existence. BUT, I can not see the Evangelical viewpoint in why they choose to worship God believing he is how they say he is. It sounds so selfish! They are ok that they are saved and they expect to be happy for eternity while most people are being tortured in Hell. How awful is that! Why would they not choose to go to Hell to help those in need? Why would they not sacrifice their own happiness in the next life mourn with those who mourn? I can't respect that viewpoint because it sounds so cowardly. I respect Atheists like Bart Erhman who would live their lives for the betterment of future generations even though they do not expect to exist beyond this life. That is true selflessness! But how do I respect you, who is happy as can be because YOU are saved and even though you try to convince people in this life, you most likely will forget about the majority of mankind in the next life while you are happy and they are tortured. And you still sleep at night, believing this? How in the world do I respect your beliefs system? You may tell me that people choose to go to Hell. I am not choosing to go to Hell! And I don't think most people do as I give them the benefit of the doubt. I love God! I understand him to be merciful. He died for you and me and all people. For all of our imperfections including that of incorrect knowledge. And the LDS are the only ones who actually make sense when they talk about God's mercy. Please don't damn me to Hell saying I believe in the wrong God. Please please listen to what I am saying!

@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m I can tell you’ve put a lot of thought into this and I appreciate your genuine concerns. I’m also glad to hear that you’ve read through both testaments. So while I’ll try and add some clarity to the issue. I suppose the real question in this matter that I’d like you to sit with it. “Do I believe in God/religion x because I’m convinced of it being true/know it to be true, or because it brings me comfort” And “if you become convinced orthodox Christianity is true, would you become a follower of it” So I’ll assume you subscribe to a monotheistic world view (there is only one God / one god worth worshipping). So while there are many different religions and even denominational breakdowns within each religion they can’t all be right / teach the same thing. Now there’s a logical case that can be said that none of them are right and there is either no true religion or it has yet to be revealed to us humans. But you don’t sound like a skeptic to me so we have to pick one that is available The Mormon teachings are interesting to say the least and I do find there is a lot of philanthropical work that comes from the LDS which I truly appreciate. Why I personally will say that LDS is outside of non-orthodox Christianity is due to its extra biblical texts that essentially red-con /rewrite who God is. Rather than viewing it as a specific denomination. I’d like your response to this to see if you agree /reject this statement It sounds to me that you’re no inherently opposed to Christianity but it seems like the divide of heaven and hell bothers your soul. It’s a fair point Do you believe me that Heaven is where God resides , and Hell is where God is absent ? So where things get interesting. Because to be part of the family of God one simply accepts the free gift of salvation that Jesus gave us. So it’s not as if we have to pay our way into salvation or work our way into salvation. We simply must have an open heart to receive it. So to say that God sends people to hell suggests that we as humans don’t have self agency in the decisions we make, and I’m not a Calvinist so I do fully believe we have free will (yes God could turn that off but for whatever reason he really likes the idea of us choosing him by choice, and choice means there must be more than one option). You could even make a case that Satan left heaven rather than being kicked out. Now there are people who’ve never heard the Gospel either cuz they just live under a rock so to speak or they aren’t old enough / conscience enough to get understand. Will these folks go to hell? Believe it or not I don’t think so. The reasoning being that God is a just God who judges us individually and fairly. It seems out of God’s character to judge a person who flat out rejects the Gospel the same as someone who never had a chance to hear it. Another biblical example is pointing to the Old Testament, none of the people at that time were told about Jesus, and thus could never follow him/accept his sacrifice. There’s that story where Jesus during his 3-day adventure was actively teaching the Gospel to the matriarchal figures of the OT Which from that I gleam that God really judges us from the heart. A willingness to learn /desire God. Do what that statement as you will So after my yapping in essence. While God is not with us now as he was with Adam and Eve, his grace/ protection still resides with us. Life here on earth right now isn’t perfect clearly but it’s far from bad (however bad our days here can get at times Those who accept the free gift of salvation to Jesus Christ make it to heaven as that Jesus takes care of the issue of sin that we’ve all taken part in (regardless if you subscribe to original sin or not) While those who don’t accept Jesus Christ as our lord and savior will pay the natural wages that our sins cause which is death (separation from God or Hell) If you’re familiar with Dante’s Inferno. That book did a number on our understanding of the afterlife. I’m not convinced that once we die we will go straight up or down I think there’s a bit of a waiting period. Something about the second resurrection so I do hold onto a nuanced view that I view a difference with Those who do not accept Jesus versus those who flat out reject Jesus. So I personally do think it’s possible to find salvation in the afterlife BUT…why postpone or gamble like that get right with God in this life time we know we have LoL Now I am of the belief that Hell is a place that lacks God’s protection /grace so it’s not a place i wanna be. I’m super sure if people who are in hell just flat out cease to exist Or if they suffer because now they are in their sinful state without God’s intervention so they reap what they sow. Or if God is actively rebuking/correcting them and the correction feels like fire (you know how fire can both purify or kill). Why a separation ? Well that’s the beauty of choice. Even in the LDS belief structure I believe there’s three locations one can go, which still suggests there’s a separation , granted none of them seem as undesirable as hell. So while the option of hell existing does not sound fun and nice. We are sent there due to our own sinful actions. And we have been given. The opportunity to escape it by a willfully submission. It’s actually one of the reasons that evangelizing is such a powerful tool as it’s the active spreading of the Good news. I don’t believe that forced conversions are God’s ways nor do I think it even helps because it’s not our work that saves but our willful submission (you can’t force people to believe , perhaps their actions but not their thoughts). Now for those who reject the message either for a season / or forever should not be forgotten by us on this side of eternity. We should still pray that all come to the knowledge and acceptance of Christ. But the Bible did say that not all will make it to heaven, but it’s not up to us to judge who makes it and who doesn’t. We simply have to share the message and remind us that we can’t convert anyone, that’s up to God and their hearts. I also don’t suggest being a Christian strictly as a way to avoid hell or to get into heaven. As you probs would agree that there’s a genuine need for character reformation. Start off with wanting to learn /know about God and see how powerful/merciful he is. I feel like I’ve probs hit you with a bunch of yap. But I hope that at the very least I don’t think your concerns are invalid. That I provided some biblical guidance that things aren’t quite as you thought they are. And that we as humans have agency in our own decision. So while we didn’t choose this universe /circumstance we do choose how to respond. I eagerly await your response

I grew up lds I explore other faiths now but I do still love lds teachings it’s a very logical system when you understand the whole view

By removing free will, it is forced into doing everything correct in order to obtain salvation…. It would still be works based, right?

If free will is removed then the only way to obtain salvation is through "earning" it through living/doing/thinking/feeling/being perfect --- which is work (a lot of work, actually. haha). Thus, Satan's plan of salvation is guaranteed based on our perfect works. Which is very on-brand for the devil... Being forced to live & be perfect would be miserable! Can you imagine how stressful that would be? Oh wait, a lot of Mormons can... hehe ;)

@@zwickysnails337 If salvation is guaranteed, what is there to do?

How sad that you don’t want truth! Jeff & others like him, are trying to reach the lost, like the mormons. Maybe it’s you who needs Jesus ALONE. Please open your heart & your Bible. Jeff was once like you, but was saved, so he wants everyone to hear the gospel of Jesus. He’s doing exactly what Jesus has told us true Believers to do. He cares about the souls of those who’ve been led astray!

@@dandelion1239 What are you talking about? I'm a Baptist missionary. I open my heart, bible, and wallet all across the globe you twit. I literally travel across the globe on my own dime to care about the souls of those who've been led astray or have never heard the gospel. It's my whole life. Where do you come from? Besides trolling KZfaq chats, what contribution have you made to the church and for the lost souls you pretend to care so much about? I'm not against Calvinism. I want to see Apologia Utah grow and blossom into something legitimate. Right now, they are barely able to survive. I want them to thrive. Durbin does not want another plant to thrive or surpass him. It's written in the books of his own History. You literally came on here attacking with absolutely nothing constructive to offer. Also, I was never a drug addict, amongst all the other things Durbin. He's fine on his own. He reaches a lot of people. He's not who I would recommend to new converts, but it's difficult to deny his success. A lot of turnover in his Church though, from what I've gathered. The sheer volume of his church's ministry makes up for that. Not the kind of person an aspiring plant wants to be under. His celebrity status helps when he makes a guest appearance, but Apologia Utah needs to learn how to stand on their own. Less they forever remain his shadow or eventually close their doors. I do not want to see that happen. Utah needs them. You literally know nothing about me, except what I just shared with you. Repent!

So you question nothing. JS was into the occult. Hes a false prophet & to be blunt, he’s leading all his followers to hell.

​@dandelion1239 with all due respect, I think you may be the one being led to Hell, meaning the fruits of your belief system include a love for most of mankind that will only last this lifetime and then you will forget about most people expecting them to be tortured while you are happy. You believe everyone deserves torture (probably even little children). The LDS fruits, on the other hand, include focusing on a God that loves all his creation as everyone is a child of God and whose love actually makes sense. This helps the LDS learn to love everyone in this life (imperfectly) and into the next life. Do you believe people deserve torture? I know of an antisemitic group who believed the same thing in Germany 80 years ago.

@seekingtruthinallthings3969 absolutely, all great points. I wish I could see who you were responding to, as I can't see the comment that you replied to.

@seekingtruthinallthings3969 nvm I found the comment. Lol they're confused and backwards.

@dandelion1239 I question nothing because I questioned everything and asked God with a sincere heart and an open mind, with no bias to prove or disprove anything....I didn't compare what I was raised to believe to what I know now. So no, I question not because my prayers were answered and the prayers revealed to me say that you are bearing false witness and speaking ill of a gospel, and a prophet that you never met.... remember.... Jesus was accused of misleading a cult, Jesus was twisting scripture, Jesus was leading his followers to Sheol. Noah was making it up when he said God told him to prepare for a flood and they mocked him and his cult, Moses led his cult into the desert, Matthew was a con man tax collector..... careful how you label Prophets of God when trying to condemn those who listen to their warnings. You follow men that say scripture is no more and God speaks no more, and Jesus teaches no more.... yet you follow men that claim Jesus moves through them (but can't speak anymore)... you follow men that believe not in the resurrection and millennial because you teach that judgment occurs upon death (this makes the resurrection, final battle, and final judgment completely meaningless)..... you teach that scripture is over but when Jesus returns, what will you do when Jesus speaks? Will you tell him to silence himself because he's saying things not in your Bible? So many things you practice and call truth that is illogical and nonsensical and deeply rooted in pagan history dating to the 4th century..... and you have the audacity to tell us about Hell which the physical underworld Hel is a pagan teaching, biblical hell is a place where the father and son are not. You have a lot to learn before you want to debunk us, try learning the history of your own theology and your own church lineage and origins. You live in a house built on sand and have cared not to check under the foundation of your very own home.... seriously check into you own history... bet you won't tell me your denomination or sect.

I think that they know a lot about mormonism. That’s why they are trying to reach them & give them biblical truth. The mormons are following a false narrative & that’s a path of destruction. JS was into the occult & wanted others to join him, so he started his organization of deceit.

I grew up Mormon… And left to follow Jesus Christ and who HE says He is. Not the made up version Joseph Smith created

@@zwickysnails337 🙌 Wonderful! Thank you Jesus!!!

Mormons can’t teach anything to a true follower of Jesus. That’s because mormons believe Jesus is lucifer’s brother & a myriad of other made up stories by JS. The Bible is the only source of truth. Mormons need to question things & look to only God’s word. Jesus is not a created being. He’s eternal. All the way from Genesis …

@zwickysnails337 well. What can I say. Congratulations on being saved. Now you get to enjoy eternal bliss while you expect the majority of mankind to receive eternal torture after this life. I mean, to me, that sounds incredibly selfish as though your beliefs are turning you into a selfish antisemitic. Only Mormons are willing to sacrifice their happiness after this life to help and teach those in Hell. Do you realize that according to your new belief system, most people will be going to Hell after this life because they did not have the right understanding in this life? But, like I said, congratulations. I know you are child of God and I will treat you like one forever. You will not treat me like one

In the end, it doesn't matter what you or I think. It only matters what the Bible says.

@shanematt I guess that is one thing I don't see. I don't see why Evangelicals worship the Bible. The Bible is 66 books put together. There is no outside validation that only those 66 books are the word of God, that every word in them is true and that it is infallible. That is just common sense. I mean I get why Evangelicals need it to be infallible (or else their belief system crumbles) but that doesn't mean that it is. An infallible truth is that everyone (including those who wrote the Bible) are fallible in this life. There must be a reason for that and we are all trying to figure it out. But the fruits of Evangelical thinking is that they are saved while most people are tortured for eternity, but it is ok because they will be happy that they are saved. And they wont care about most of mankind after this life because that would make them sad. I don't see it any other way. Help me understand why you believe what you believe. You have chosen to believe the Bible is infallible, but why do you believe God is worth worshipping when he will allow most of his creation to be eternally tortured because they have fallible thought processes in this life. Why do you choose to worship God? Do you never think about these things?

@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1mit’s not that we need the Bible to be infallible, it IS the word of God. 2 Tim. 3:16-17, 2 Pet. 1:21, and Matt.22:29-31

​@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1mcheck out J Warner Wallace cold case christianity...he is an x detective who shows the truth in the Bible

Thank you for the reply. Those verses come from within the Bible. It is circular reasoning. If you were to tell me that God told you that Biblical inerrancy is true, then I would say I can't deny your experience. But you may not say that because as an Evangelical, perhaps you believe that you can't trust your feelings. I do believe there is truth in the Bible. But I also believe people wrote the Bible and people are fallible. And people are fallible in their interpretations of the Bible. Is that not true? I believe the Spirit teaches spiritual truth. But we will all get thing wrong in this life as we are all fallible. Even prophets get things wrong. But what do our beliefs cause us to do? It appears that for the Evangelical, his or her beliefs will cause her to forget most of mankind in the next life believing the Evangelical will be happy but most others will be tortured. And they still sleep at night and laugh and have fun while knowing this. Did you sleep last night? It just sounds so evil to me. I am sorry but how do I respect that?

It is worse to believe God is sovereign than to be a Mormon? 😮

I am Mormon and appreciate your different perspective. I am still thinking you don't think I am saved.

​@cincosolas_ I think it is worse to think you are better than everyone else to the point where you think you are saved and get eternal happiness, and most people will get eternal torture, then be a Mormon. Calvinism fosters temporary love for most of mankind. They are children of God and no one else is. Mormonism fosters a belief that everyone is a child of God and will be loved by him and his followers forever.

@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m They are pretending to be New Testament Jews. There is no such thing as the "elect" for gentiles. You are saved just like all who believe and have faith in Jesus. There is no such thing as a wrong Jesus. Only the Antichrist. You can spot the Antichrists' followers by observing and discerning that they are opposite of Jesus and his teachings. Calvinists will be found wanting.

​@@DiscerningMagnetismthank you. It is comforting to hear that not only am I saved but that all people are who believe in Jesus. For what does it matter if I am saved if most people are not. I am a Mormon. And like many other religious people, I believe Jesus died for my sins. As simple as that. Are you of a specific belief system?