The Most Secret Mormon Ritual: A History of The Second Anointing

The Most Secret Mormon Ritual: A History of The Second Anointing | Ep. 1908

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Shrouded in secrecy, the Second Anointing ritual promises the highest blessings of exaltation and godhood to worthy Mormons. But with its history steeped in polygamy and secret combinations, this ceremonial rite has sparked intense debate. Uncover the veiled truths of this sacred ordinance as we delve into accounts from former members, historical documents, and the church's tight-lipped stance on this most enigmatic of Mormon mysteries.
Show Notes: www.mormonstories.org/portfol...
Chapters:
00:00:00 What is the second anointing?
00:05:35 Teaser to Derren Klein’s story
00:06:24 Derren’s story
00:08:35 The Second Anointing is a cat with five lives
00:11:14 What does the Second Anointing look like?
00:13:38 You are promised exaltation
00:22:31 New ritual called sealing
00:23:48 Women are finally brought into the group
00:26:14 The first mention of the Second Anointing
00:29:25 Do women’s feet get washed in the Second Anointing?
00:33:33 Was Second Anointing the default for everyone?
00:38:00 For twenty years there were no Second Anointings
00:43:05 Vienna Jaques
00:48:20 People requesting the Second Anointing
00:53:50 Second anointings for the dead
00:58:45 Quit asking for it
01:00:35 How the process of recommendation works
01:12:40 The 1920s is where things change
01:14:05 George F. Richards on why they stopped giving the second anointings
01:26:00 George F. Richards
01:31:40 Richards argues for it and brings receipts
01:36:40 The Twelve get the second anointing during this time
01:38:50 Kimball’s journal
01:42:20 The church’s claim to hold priesthood authority
01:48:50 Modern prophets and apostles receiving the second anointing
02:02:30 Leonard Arrington becomes curious about the Second Anointing
02:10:20 Promises for the children
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@bodytrainer1crane730 Ай бұрын

Being an ex-mormon and learning about what Mormonism REALLY is has to be a better trip than mushrooms. It blows my mind to places I never thought it would go.

@joshuawatson1902 Ай бұрын

It’s more like a really bad trip where you realize reality is a lie and all your role models were super evil. And then your friends and family are all still trapped in the simulation, and there’s nothing you can do… because they think you’re lost, fallen, and apostate, so they all treat you weird now… That’s what it’s like.

@benjamingardea4511 Ай бұрын

Indeed

@bodytrainer1crane730 Ай бұрын

That's a better description. Absolutely 💯!

@garybowler5946 Ай бұрын

@@joshuawatson1902That's an excellent description for many. It depends on how far each individual went down the rabbit hole. It sounds like you had a deep dive.

@cosmictickle5168 Ай бұрын

That is an insult to the beloved mushrooms

@badger313 Ай бұрын

As a never Mormon this stuff could be totally boring & dry but Brian brings it to life in such an exciting interesting way. His own excitement & enjoyment of the topic is infectious

@jc72outdoors Ай бұрын

I remember teaching a Sunday School lesson that had the following disclaimer. It was the first time I had ever heard or read anything about the second anointing. It left me with more questions than answers. "Chapter 19 Eternal Life Introduction Caution: Exercise caution while discussing the doctrine of having our calling and election made sure. Avoid speculation. Use only the sources given here and in the student manual. Do not attempt in any way to discuss or answer questions about the second anointing."

@aprilshowers21 Ай бұрын

Wow 🤯

@mindeloman Ай бұрын

This disclaimer has to be a rare time the church has mentioned the 2nd anointing by name. It's the church's "Fight Club." They don't want the masses knowing there's a class system built into the doctrine of the church. Extra-special people can get saved before they die. I get the feeling Joseph Smith was handing out extra ordinances and callings like Pez dispensers. All in an effort to keep control.

@gingerlady785 Ай бұрын

Very odd. Controlling.

@parrishthethoughtpodcast368 Ай бұрын

Chapter 19 of what? I'd like to look it up.

@jc72outdoors Ай бұрын

@@parrishthethoughtpodcast368 google, chapter 19 lds manual eternal life. It will bring it up on the church website.

@emptynesters2520 Ай бұрын

Monthly donor here who has been wondering about Tom since his episode aired! His story was extremely moving and we’ve shared his story with many others! Please bring him back for an update and thank you all for the work, it’s SO important!!

@alpinemotel7974 Ай бұрын

Never Mormon guy here who finds all of this terribly fascinating. I can totally understand how all the craziness of Mormonism seems completely normal to someone who was born into the cult or converted at a very young age. But there are full grown adults with completely formed frontal lobes, with rational decision making abilities who convert to this nonsense. That's something that I will just never understand. But I guess most of the adults who convert to this culty corporation of horse crap do so without informed consent. That's where you and your podcast come in, John. Thank you so much for shedding light and giving the facts about Mormonism.

@maxhill5197 Ай бұрын

You could say the same for Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, etc., etc. religions as well. And I bet there are billions of their followers who have no idea of the lesser known "teachings". Same goes for many indigenous belief systems. All goes back to some crackpots who sought to have everyone subscribe to a certain way of thinking. Probably to control their behaviour in some way.

@hairpuppet Ай бұрын

@alpinemotel7974 The lack of informed consent and childhood/past trauma being common for many many adult converts. The church presents itself as squeaky clean and a safe haven. If you overlook the skeletons, not spoken of, in the closet then you have an instant community of generally really nice people. However, when the lights come on and you see how the sausage is made, it's an almost instant exit. Speaking from my experience growing up mormon with family on both sides going back to Nauvoo. I've seen the wizard and Oz is NOT what it's marketed to be.

@Francis-px2oc Ай бұрын

Born and raised in it and then set free! I began to study cults and realize that many adult members who join as adults, my family line included…lived torn lives of abuse, neglect, etc. They are longing for a feeling of belonging. So you either join a cult or a gang right? I give them credit in the sense that they were trying to do the right thing and follow Christ. It’s very sad really.

@stephanieblyshakkamphaus7936 22 күн бұрын

I, being one of those whom you mentioned above with "completely formed frontal lobes," can assure you that when the missionaries come to your door they in no way tell you about all the craziness that's spoken about on this show. They, themselves, probably don't even know about it. All of the secret (sacred) aspects of the Mormons are taught on a need to know basis and there are very few who need to know.

@matthewowen4508 Ай бұрын

Once again I have a very basic question. If it is true and good, why can't they be open and honest about it even to their own members? And don't give me the "sacred" argument. It doesn't hold any water.

@turquoise2003 Ай бұрын

Of course they will say it's sacred...

@stephanieb2484 Ай бұрын

I think its because the hierarchy would not be able to defend this absurd theology by reasonable thinking Christians.

@CherylHerold 8 күн бұрын

@@turquoise2003 in the Bible, Jesus said, "My way's are not your ways". We could not begin to understand what he meant by that. With that said, This is sacred as anything higher in laws which would be God's ways, I would just like to add caution to all as mocking can always come back and bite. On the other side, remember these are people that are not perfect and we all are doing the best we can.

@rachelhansen2417 Ай бұрын

I did some digging, and found a Nauvoo ancestor whose journal happens to be on family search. Sure enough, he had a second anointing. Turns out, this ancestor (Joseph C Kingsbury) also acted as a cover for Joseph Smith. He was a widower, so a “pretend marriage” (his words) was held with Sarah Ann Whitney, one of Joseph’s plural wives and daughter of Newell K Whitney. She was 17 for her marriage to Joseph, 18 during her pretend cover marriage.

@Teresa-tn4we Ай бұрын

Now this is really confusing!!

@rachelhansen2417 Ай бұрын

@@Teresa-tn4we basically, they pretended to be married so Joseph Smith could have sex with her. JCK was sent on a mission shortly afterwards.

@MoreWordsPlease Ай бұрын

Wow, what a find!

@What1see Ай бұрын

The second anointing alone absolutely takes away what Jesus did on the cross 100%

@Teresa-tn4we Ай бұрын

Hmmm

@wh1skeyrebellion Ай бұрын

Because their election was made sure? So, no need for an atonement?

@charlesmendeley9823 Ай бұрын

No. It just confirms the exaltation, but doesn't deny the role of Christ in salvation and exaltation.

@jeannemarie5908 Ай бұрын

Agreed. Blasphemy.

@ngatihine6072 Ай бұрын

Not by works

@wesliepowell5698 Ай бұрын

My dad came home from working at the temple with my mom in the early 1970's one day & excitedly told me he had had his "calling & election made sure". He was so tickled. I guess I was his one person.

@LifeAfterBelief Ай бұрын

Damn! This guy is so smart. I’ve seen him on several times before with Lindsay Hansen Park, but his name is escaping me. Please have him on again. He rules! I could listen to him all day long.

@KimbaAndParkcicle Ай бұрын

His name is Bryan Buchanan and he did this whole episode without a single note in front of him. It’s all just up in his noggin. Unbelievable.

@LifeAfterBelief Ай бұрын

@@KimbaAndParkcicle thanks for telling me his name! Wow, that’s awesome. John, do more with him in it - he’s brilliant.

@birdlyword2 Ай бұрын

Definitely check out Sunstone Mormon History Podcast. Bryan and Lindsay are great together on it.

@moanahopkins713 Ай бұрын

My mom is Molly Mormon, she wouldn't discuss this second anointing with me. My parents worked in the temple, so i wonder about them getting this. She was surprised I asked/knew it existed. I have NO desire at all for this.

@reginaivie6820 Ай бұрын

I have not attended the temple (besides baptisms as a teenager) and I was taught about it in the mid 80's in Institute, so I wonder why your mom was surprised?

@brockhard Ай бұрын

It's seems like the gift of discernment is a facade to make you feel like you have the truth and can pick out any evil. It gave me such a false confidence that I knew best with the spirit

@Francis-px2oc Ай бұрын

It is a gift but it’s given by God and not them. It’s just that they corrupted truth and used it to manipulate those who have it sadly.

@robinsaxophone232 Ай бұрын

If there’s such a thing as high exaltation, I doubt it can be handed down by a man.

@IBNED Ай бұрын

D & C 132:7

@mandypierce674 29 күн бұрын

Agreed 100%

@tonyharvell739 Ай бұрын

Brian is his usual brilliant self😅explaining this respectfully in a historical context. The whole concept of second anointing flies in the face of the Christian teaching of salvation by grace extended to all humans through the death and resurrection of Jesus. Though I am not a Christian, even I see this as a scam!

@user-pe5tc7rk3f Ай бұрын

This is needed so bad. Thank you! Please continue to save lives!

@wh1skeyrebellion Ай бұрын

My mother worked in the Medford, OR temple and told me that there was a room specifically for the second anointing. It was a huge secret. Blah, blah, blah. After she passed away an ex-stake president told me, with an inordinate amount of concentrated eye contact, that my mother was an “elect” lady.

@matthewowen4508 Ай бұрын

My Mother's language toward the end of her life told me that she had the 2nd anointing, but she never said as much. All it did was make her think she was going to be alone in heaven making her life even worse. Such a sick organization.

@natalies4375 Ай бұрын

@@matthewowen4508 so sad. My mom is a sad single Mormon woman. Even worse, the fact that me leaving could make her feel less than and that anyhow or somehow if she continued double faithful that I may return. I really hope she doesn’t do that, but I know the programming is there so it’s a good possibility. Ugh.

@thelastgoonie6555 Ай бұрын

Wild the amount of research and information crammed into these Mormon Story Podcasts. Compared to Mormon Sunday School lessons or Midnight Mormon episodes, this is the meat of Mormonism while the members are sipping milk from baby bottles.

@hopeful6157 23 күн бұрын

💯

@irishmclass2042 Ай бұрын

I want to make a very important correction and clarification here! John D mentioned Mary, the Mother of Jesus, as anointing Jesus’s feet. Correction: It was Mary of Bethany, sister of Martha and Lazarus, that anointed Jesus’s feet in the Bible! See New Testament John 12:1-3. Also the Blessed Mother of Jesus, Mary, was born of Saints Anne (born 49 BC Bethlehem and died after 4 AD) and Joachim (born 75 BC in Nazareth, died 15 AD in Jerusalem). See the Gospel of James or the Protoevangelium of James in the Apocrypha NOT to be confused with the Epistle of James in the NT). It is commonly referred to as “The Infancy Gospel” and the Jewish MIDRASH (elaboration) of Mary, mother of Jesus as noted in the NT Matthew and Luke Gospels. Mary was born in 18 BC in Herodian Judea.

@barbarasmith2130 Ай бұрын

Yeah I picked that up too. I understand the purpose of the show in trying to explore topics but John is not up to date with quite a lot of Church stuff and policies. He remembers things as they were and has to rely on guests to inform him about updates. That’s how it seems to me.

@wh1skeyrebellion Ай бұрын

He said Mary. He didn’t define which Mary. I think he was assuming that the listener knew he wasn’t referring to the ‘virgin’ mother.

@katem6673 Ай бұрын

the second anointing has been a huge shelf item for me. It is so elitist. It also takes away what Christ did. You cannot get your calling and election made sure by anyone other than Jesus Christ.

@sheliabryant3997 Ай бұрын

@katrm6673. ELITIST? Meant to be, apparently. Actually butkus-in-the-bushes club. How wonderful that it was most honest, sincere, THINKING members who were finally convinced enough of its "OFFness" to choose to make it "public". THAT is example of TRULY ELITE. [Anyone who IS, is not jumping around to be "recognized" by that adjective. That's just gauche.]

@cyasmiles4613 Ай бұрын

Do you remember the old joke about taking the elevator up to the Celestial kingdom? Each stop has these tables of bountiful foods, it is all so extravagant. This person gets to the Celestial kingdom and is served a tuna sandwich. Cook tells them their aren't enough there to go all out for meals.

@hanako4475 Ай бұрын

Second anointing week!!! 🎉🥳 I've been waiting for this! It's so hard to find a good break down of the Second Anointing, probably because most members would have a huge problem with it.

@johannatorres8846 Ай бұрын

Brian is amazing. So knowledgeable! The Sunstone Mormon History podcast is a must. Him and Lindsey Hanson-Park do a great job

@RyanWhetten Ай бұрын

You learn something new everyday. The Law of Adoption was a ritual practiced in temples of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) between 1846 and 1894. It was a way for men who held the priesthood to seal themselves to other men

@Teresa-tn4we Ай бұрын

@Megamudkipz42 lol

@laziestcookever Ай бұрын

@@Megamudkipz42listen to the podcast... Will ya

@barbaralael5092 Ай бұрын

Really?

@juliehatch9861 Ай бұрын

Whhaattt😮

@caseyconatser7926 Ай бұрын

Why would they do that

@TriciaEllinger Ай бұрын

So the super wealthy, famous mormons can get their 2nd annointing to ensure their posterity are in it to win it no matter what...very similiar to paying for repentance ect to the Catholic church. SICK!!! 2:11:49 !!

@Francis-px2oc Ай бұрын

I had always wondered why there was so much competition of status and wealth in the church. So many members frantically trying to prove their worth through how big their house was, how much money they made, how many children they had. It reminded me of the Pharisees which Christ condemned. This makes sense!

@Ladynitewolf7715 Ай бұрын

I find it immensely funny that the Mormons are repeating essentially the sale of indulgences. Hope they learn from it lol

@bethpalmtree11 Ай бұрын

Does the Catholic church still sell forgiveness “indulgences” that angered Martin Luther so much ?

@LSS495 Ай бұрын

@@bethpalmtree11yes!

@chuckkv Ай бұрын

I suspect at least part of the reason they don't offer it to everyone nowadays is the same reason many exmormons have critique it for - it absolves people of a bit too much. Even the highly devoted seem to struggle with that much guaranteed absolution.

@rosemariebennett7213 Ай бұрын

Fastinaing discussion and information. Wow . Convert of 47 years no idea of any of this elitist religion! Dare I say man made ?

@LaraGroves Ай бұрын

My ex husband told me a story about his mission president and his wife - they were apparently called into a temple and that they were told that if they carried on their lives the way they had been, they would go directly to the celestial kingdom. I remember he also said that did get new names. My ex was on his mission from 2012-2014/15. And now listening to this episode, I'm convinced that the mission president and his wife received their second anointing.

@joshuawatson1902 Ай бұрын

Freemason here. You do receive a new name as part of Masonic rituals. At least in the version I went through

@John-ne4fq Ай бұрын

Where do the Masonic rights come from? Jerusalem, after the Christians took over during the first crusade. The temple right from Jerusalem also had similarities to ancient Egyptian temple rights

@user-kz8mq8co8i Ай бұрын

My grandfather did also.

@wesliepowell5698 Ай бұрын

Is it specific to each person, or does everyone going thru on the same day get the same name, like the Mormons do?

@atlramona Ай бұрын

@@John-ne4fqThe Masons are a modern men’s club and not “ancient.”

@John-ne4fq Ай бұрын

@@atlramona that’s not what I said is it? The Masonic right is derived from Jerusalem when the Christians took over and learned about Jewish/eastern mysticism

@birdlyword2 Ай бұрын

Old journals are fascinating. Jesse N Smith wrote that he obeyed BY and married a 15 yr old girl in 1869 as his 4th wife during his Scandinavian mission. (She was younger than his eldest child.) When they returned to Utah a year later she was baptized, confirmed, endowed, sealed, and received her 2nd annointing all on the same day. (Can you imagine her exhaustion?) Also on the same day, his 1st wife received her 2nd annointing, as well as a proxy 2nd annointing for her sister, who was Jesse's deceased 2nd wife. A decade later he married yet another teenager, and she was sealed to him and got her 2nd annointing on the same day. I have to make charts and diagrams to keep it all straight.

@rytheguy6914 Ай бұрын

You get a second anointing and you get a second anointing! Everyone gets a second anointing!

@shermannorton8723 Ай бұрын

I'm ready! Where do i send the check?

@kurt666morris Ай бұрын

LOL. :) That would make 1 Hell of an Oprah episode.

@atlramona Ай бұрын

@@shermannorton8723I offer you the 2nd anointing at no charge. Consider yourself anointed.

@sjordan7085 Ай бұрын

But, who would want even a first annointing?

@sjordan7085 Ай бұрын

Sorry, only one 'n' in anointing!

@kimgoeckeritz6320 Ай бұрын

Ok, I see the act of a women washing their husband’s feet as more of a symbol of a woman being a servant to their husbands and not as an act of priesthood.

@sjordan7085 Ай бұрын

Whatever gave you that idea? LOL

@maxhill5197 Ай бұрын

Jesus washed the feet of his chosen followers, explaining that leaders must also be servants of the people. Cf Corinthians 13, where the greatest gift is charity, also love of thy neighbours.

@ellieroo6719 Ай бұрын

Yes. This alone is the ultimate corruption of the mission of Jesus Christ in the Bible. The perfect perversion of the gospel. The wives in this Mormonism serve the man, are dependent on the man for their salvation, and glorify him by being one of many wives and children. This man would never humiliate himself by washing feet. It is antithetical to Jesus and his teachings.

@RavenstoneW Ай бұрын

Because that is what they want you to embody. Real priesthood priestesses do know service but not by trickery,fear and guilt.

@Ladynitewolf7715 Ай бұрын

If the husband doesn't wash his wife's feet then it's so obviously one sided

@peteskoczylis9432 Ай бұрын

After almost 50 yrs I'm coming to realize tha almost nothing about the LDS faith/ Church is true. Another religious hoax. Sad.

@turquoise2003 Ай бұрын

I was born in the church... Now that I know Mormonism is fake, I don't know how much of my belief is mine and how much is from the indoctrination

@PatriciaNoel-qp2ff Ай бұрын

And NOTHING is original! During the last 3 years, I’ve read about 30 books on the doctrine and history. Shocking!😳

@justkiddin84 Ай бұрын

Cult hoax.

@John-ne4fq Ай бұрын

I bet you don’t know anything that is true.

@gbengoosewuru4139 Ай бұрын

50 years!?!?!? 😂😂😂

@zendarawlings2237 Ай бұрын

Back in the day it was called your calling and election made sure. We were always told that meant that you had seen the face of Christ. My grandfather, a polygamist, supposedly had his c & e made sure. I was shocked when I heard that Jeffrey Holland had told someone their c & e was made sure.

@jamiehugh1212 Ай бұрын

That’s what my family still calls it. Apparently my grandma had an experience before her death and was told by family members that her calling and election was made sure because of that experience. But it had nothing to do with a temple ceremony, so I have know idea what actually happened cause I was only 2 when she passed. Just heard aunts and uncles talking about it from time to time.

@larkins5 Ай бұрын

On my mission in Brazil in 2015-17 I received a PowerPoint presentation from a bishop on the second anointing, which according to the PowerPoint was how you were brought into the church of the firstborn. The PowerPoint had church insignias on it and seemed like something that only church leadership was supposed to see. I also had my mission president explain to me that you found that your calling and election were made sure if you saw a vision or dream where Jesus or God appeared to you, maybe washing and anointing your feet in the vision/dream. Once this happened to you, you were supposed to contact your church leadership and after this was “verified” you would go to the temple, enter the holy of holies, and receive your second anointing. I imagine this is all still being taught to mission presidents and church leaders today. Just thought this related to the discussion topic. Love Mormon Stories Podcast.

@othersheep5491 Ай бұрын

Right this way. Get your plenary indulgences, apostolic pedicures, and planetary assignments right here, folks. Step right up, brothers and sisters. I’m still waiting in line for my Fireball whiskey bath

@lynettemoody2741 Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@mrslonelyhearts Ай бұрын

Fun fact: the OG Judson Tolman was the first of three brothers (Cyrus, Judson & Benjamin) to join the church in 1844. I am descended from Cyrus. Cyrus & Judson arrived in the Salt Lake Valley with the vanguard company and went on to settle Tooele. Loved this episode!! MS is really hitting it out of the park every week!

@robynward2819 Ай бұрын

We should connect! Brian has a ton of interesting information on Judson!

@EasternDreamer615 Ай бұрын

His insight is so helpful in understanding this high demand religion. Nevermo but grew up in a narcissistic family with its own high demand religion-like behavior.

@user-og2wt3le4j Ай бұрын

Did anyone watch the London UK Hyde Park "Mormon Rescue" visit by three apostles? Elder Holland let something slip about his and others on the stand having their "election made sure"? It was a reference to the second anointing.

@jpr9863 Ай бұрын

Yup. Holland virtue signaling yet again.

@jeffcarlin5866 Ай бұрын

So...Jesus restored His church in the first half of the Nineteenth Century...but the doctrine of the Second Anointing is somehow not understood by all and sundry -- IN THE UPPER ECHELONS of the church?! If Jesus -- the central character of the New Testament -- truly leads the Mormon Church, why are so many of the leaders and members stumbling around in the dark concerning this practice?! Clearly, the leaders and members are not under the watchful eyes of Jesus....

@iamjustsaying1 Ай бұрын

FANTASTIC episode! The 1st time I heard about the 2nd anointing was the Tom Phillips' MS episode. I was "astonished beyond all measure!" This practice, of the elite getting a free pass throughout their lives, is so contrary to gospel principles that even tbm's should find it unconscionable. Thus, "I wish ALL to receive it!"

@mormonstories Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Moksha-Raver Ай бұрын

The existence of this secret ceremony open to top tithe payers is like a Church within a Church. Makes you wonder if there is even a cultish practice beyond this?

@Teresa-tn4we Ай бұрын

This does sound very cultists! Especially when bringing in the Masons into it...

@charlesmendeley9823 Ай бұрын

It's like Scientology where they have level upon level, until you reach Tom Cruise God status.

@PsychOnTheRocks Ай бұрын

It is a cult and I speak from experience.

@beverlyahlstedt9026 Ай бұрын

I am not and have never been Mormon. Here’s my question: So if someone makes a million dollars and gives 100,000 (10%) and another man earns 50,000 and gives 10,000 (20%)who would be considered a “top” tither?The rich man gave 100,000 from his abundance leaving him 900,000. The man earning much less gives 20% sacrificially and it only i leaves him with 40,000 to live on. Who is the top tither in God’s eyes? Reminds me of the widow’s mite. Such elitism and not what Jesus was about.

@wesliepowell5698 Ай бұрын

Oh, yes! Plenty of cults within cults. I met a number of victims while in a psyche hospital ward in Utah.

@peteranastasia1808 Ай бұрын

“I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members” - Groucho Marx 😅

@user-tr9of6sl4p Ай бұрын

I regained my ability to walk after leaving religion, i have a wonderful fiancee now, i own a car, invest my money, and im going back to college. Also, i lost my ability to walk while christian, i left christianity, and i can leg press 500 lbs in the gym now. Im not the strongest guy in the gym, but im proud of that. No religion required. I really turned my life around.

@sprinkdesign7170 Ай бұрын

...errr... um. Well, golly. That's certainly a story. 500 Kgs! Blimey.

@justkiddin84 Ай бұрын

@@sprinkdesign7170Soooo he said pounds, not kilograms. And even then, 1100 pounds-which is what 500 KGs equals-is possible. Certainly not common, but possible. Gotta remember that the US never went to metric.

@sprinkdesign7170 Ай бұрын

@@justkiddin84 Oh. OK. So is that 500 lbs per leg?

@jansenncuber8009 Ай бұрын

@@sprinkdesign7170 no, a leg press machine is both legs at once. It's basically a squat but kind of upside down or sideways so your own body weight isn't a factor

@justkiddin84 Ай бұрын

@@sprinkdesign7170 what? 500 pound leg presses-with weights. Working out.

@missy12358 Ай бұрын

Bryan is my favorite scholar. His depth of knowledge and his memory is awesome.

@beverlya.8751 Ай бұрын

I loved your Mormon stories trailer❤

@T-H-B Ай бұрын

It's fascinating, as a European atheist, who's interested in history to listening to this. I have been reading up on "burned over district" and the second great awakening. And see what lasting inpact it has had on the US.

@JeffDayPoppy Ай бұрын

Laughing that Joseph was anointed king twice, but, Biblically speaking, David was also anointed King three times (the first one was secret, then once for Judah and once for all Israel), and Solomon was also anointed twice.

@peacefingers8669 Ай бұрын

Thank you, JD for covering the 2nd Anointing!!! Very intriguing as an Never Mo from GA 💛

@DestonieSalazar Ай бұрын

I am so excited to see the story unfold. Thank you Morman Stories ❤️

@kerryholyoak5720 Ай бұрын

Great job ! I can hardly wait for the next episode !

@dorothyd7929 Ай бұрын

Never Mormon here. Wash your own feet. This big corporation is full of big criminals. Smh

@ronpeterson9055 Ай бұрын

I was a morman for 59 years. Was a heavy temple going person..why have I never heard of this? Very interesting and strange. Keep it up. Love this channel.

@_Nat_A_ Ай бұрын

As a never Mormon, I think part of the interest is why anyone would believe God. (Jesus, the Holy Spirit, a higher power, etc) would bother to have humans on earth and only want to save less than .1% of them and have them jump through crazy hoops ( like tithing- who carried Cash back in the day and did percentages, and give fast passes to Heaven) when we are all equal.

@clcole5655 Ай бұрын

This was a FASCINATING subject. GREAT lecture, super dialogue- THANK YOU

@padfootdoggy Ай бұрын

So glad to hear this and I will say happy I finally caught a live and can't wait for this week.

@DestonieSalazar Ай бұрын

I can’t wait for the next discussion. This is so fascinating.

@bodytrainer1crane730 Ай бұрын

It also seems likely to me that with all these new temples that not many people are using Nelson might "endorse" the second anointing more often to make temples seem useful, especially to wealthy Mormons. Super elitist but Nelson doesn't seem like he values egalitarianism in the least. 😣

@PatriciaNoel-qp2ff Ай бұрын

Here’s an interesting podcast. “Uncorrelated Mormonism”. They read the intimate details of what went on in the Kirkland Temple. Knocked my socks off! 😮

@spencerlercher4059 Ай бұрын

Brian is a walking Mormon encyclopedia, amazing knowledge.

@miam436 Ай бұрын

What a bright guy! He’s done his research and we need his name please :)

@KimbaAndParkcicle Ай бұрын

His name is Bryan Buchanan. Funny and so stinking smart. His podcast is the Sunstone Mormon History podcast and it’s AWESOME.

@sprinkdesign7170 Ай бұрын

Pointy Birds, So pointy, pointy... Anoint my head, Anointy, nointy ~ ~ ~ John Lillison, England's Greatest One-Armed Poet.

@nancysteen9111 Ай бұрын

Did it ever occur to you very intelligent people to ask WHY rituals that could save people's souls were kept a secret? A red flag should be the LDS banner!

@inhiscare1 Ай бұрын

That can't be intellectual to buy into this garbage!

@turquoise2003 Ай бұрын

There're millions of Mormon members out there... Why do they all believe this bs

@user-tr9of6sl4p Ай бұрын

The only difference between a cult and a religion is how many people believe in it.

@turquoise2003 Ай бұрын

Interesting take... Maybe that's why so many people believe their religion is true since so many others also believe what they believe

@Eidelmania Ай бұрын

Cults are more fun.

@justkiddin84 Ай бұрын

Wrong. Cults are defined as high control organizations. They DEMAND money, free work, etc and exert undue influence through emotional, physical, sexual, and spiritual abuse. Regular churches do not do these things. Your contributions are voluntary. Having said that, every religion has offshoot cults. Cults can also be familial, corporate, sexual, etc-not all cults are religious. And oh yes, the LDS and most of its offshoots are cults.

@dorothybatton9544 Ай бұрын

Cults are organizations who refuse members to leave with a feeling of dignity because they no longer choose to be a believer.

@annemichaels2965 Ай бұрын

@TriciaEllinger Ай бұрын

I need a detailed chart, this is AMAZING!!

@Broctus2010 Ай бұрын

I recall a very close Area Authority told me something about “a ceremony in the Temple involving his wife, that people is not aware of”. I had no idea what he was talking about until maybe 15 years later (after listening to Phillips). But 2 things are very interesting; 1.- it was 1999 when he talked to me, 2.- this is in south América. The leader was southamerican, I guess that inner circle was wide open to other nationalities by then.

@thebigfoot2374 Ай бұрын

Great content! Looking forward to more!

@monyetgoblog7038 Ай бұрын

Buying a stairway to Heaven' 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@jc72outdoors Ай бұрын

For some reason my reply in another comment isn't showing up. A couple people have asked about an lds lesson that gives a disclaimer about the second anointing. You can find this disclaimer and lesson if you google chapter 19 eternal marriage, lds manual. That lesson will show up and it is currently on the church website.

@iffyangel3380 Ай бұрын

So, basically, if you have enough money in the bank, you are asked to receive the second anointing 😂😂😂

@wwrk25 Ай бұрын

Is this the same as "having your calling and election sure"?

@mormonstories Ай бұрын

Yep!

@jeannemarie5908 Ай бұрын

33:43 Judson Tolman & Sarah Holbrook are my sons’ Great, Great, Great Grandparents. I knew the names because I helped my granddaughter with a 7th grade project. NOW, I just learned he came with Brigham Young here to Utah .. wow, so my kids are from direct Pioneer Stock .. thanks for the information.

@robynward2819 Ай бұрын

We need to connect! Brian Buchanan has fascinating information you will want to read about. I come from Judson and Zebiah Jane.

@jeannemarie5908 Ай бұрын

@@robynward2819 I would love to learn more about this history.

@michelleadams1078 Ай бұрын

So happy that you’re adding in history of the start of second annointings that includes freemasonry and the history of the church into the discussion.

@momoffour7245 Ай бұрын

I found my ancestors in one of the books. I knew they were buried in Nauvoo but had no idea of their involvement of the church.

@agentcallisto Ай бұрын

My grandparents were called on a senior mission in the Philippines, where my grandfather was in the temple presidency in Manila. I know they had their second anointing, which would have been in 1994 or 95 during the Howard W. Hunter years. I have a little niggling thought that years back I read a reference to a “special blessing” given to them before their mission, but I don’t recall for sure.

@michellesunshinestar Ай бұрын

I'm excited about this series.

@justin522 Ай бұрын

I've been aware of this ritual since I was a kid, so I generally get bored and click away, but the tie in to my ancestor Judson Tolman is keeping me listening. (My guess would be that I'm a second cousin to Darren's wife.)

@robynward2819 Ай бұрын

We should connect! Brian has a ton of interesting information on Judson. We come from Judson’s 4th wife Zebiah.

@justin522 Ай бұрын

@@robynward2819 Sure. I'm a descendant of the 1st wife Sarah. In confirming that I ran across information about his excommunication, which was quite interesting.

@roxyraber8931 Ай бұрын

Thank you

@jezbear1972 Ай бұрын

great episode guys and huge props to Brian for the depth of research that he's done.

@caseyconatser7926 Ай бұрын

I swear you both have a freat way of delivering the facts . I appreciate the learning experience.

@thelastgoonie6555 Ай бұрын

No mention about the recent 50th anniversary of Russell Nelson's 2nd Anointing...? (June 9th)

@elliek5350 Ай бұрын

So why was there a reference to Nemo closer to the end of the episode when talking about excommunications? John said he'd explain, but did I miss it?

@dl1130 Ай бұрын

So would the Second Annointing be the finale of the Covenant Path?

@IBNED Ай бұрын

Yes...

@heidilee3017 Ай бұрын

I loved the laughter and levity on this topic, I think its important that we find humor even in the most messed up and distorted doctrines. It definitely helps with the healing process 😊

@violettemuse Ай бұрын

It’s Christ or Joseph Smith. Where does the LDS church put its faith?

@ataylorchild Ай бұрын

We have been counciled not to discuss whether we have had the second anointing.

@carihuston8929 Ай бұрын

We’ll ignore you said that! 🤫

@DecembreBlanche Ай бұрын

Its the super secret Mormon DLC.

@JeffDayPoppy Ай бұрын

Does Masonry have a new name? I can answer that: In some early versions of the Entered Apprentice degree there is indeed a new name, but it is always the SAME for everyone (just as in the Endowment, it was always Abraham and Sarah for everyone up until after Brigham Young's life), but also in the Mark Master degree (4th in the American/York rite system) there's a reference to the white stone spoken of in the book of Revelation (where the scripture mentions New Name) in connection with the Keystone, and all Mark Masters select a mason's mark (a symbol) which they are told in ancient times was equivalent to their signature or name.

@IBNED Ай бұрын

But not a "new" name like in the Church....

@JeffDayPoppy Ай бұрын

@@IBNED I don't know what you mean. The wording would say " I also present you with a new name; it is ____" How is this not a "new" name like in the Church? lol.

@IBNED Ай бұрын

Might depend n your jurisdiction....in Idaho we do not have this in any of our degree work. I served as WM in my lodge and as DDGM for the MWGM in Idaho...what jurisdiction R U in?

@JeffDayPoppy Ай бұрын

@@IBNED I said "in some early versions" - this was a historical comment about mid-19th century Freemasonry, not a modern day comment in current ritual.

@JeffDayPoppy Ай бұрын

@@IBNED Oh, and to answer your question, even though I wasn't referring to our own ritual, I'm a member under the Grand Lodge of Ancient Free & Accepted Masons of Oregon.

@industrialdrama466 Ай бұрын

Is there any indication or diary entries stating that the brethren petitioned the Lord for guidance on 2nd anointings?

@shaycade1532 Ай бұрын

SO many TBM's deny 2nd anointings exist. Its crazy they have no idea about them

@PatriciaNoel-qp2ff Ай бұрын

Read Charles Harrell’s book, “This is My Doctrine “. There are a few pages about second anointing and the call by Wilford Woodruff to stop sealing men to men . I think it was 1868 but I don’t have the book close to me. Thanks Steven, you’re amazing😮

@charlesmendeley9823 Ай бұрын

Oops. Gay marriage?

@aw3752 Ай бұрын

What does someone do to earn a second anointing? It must be something pretty spectacular. I assume this is the same thing as “calling and election made sure.”

@robynm5250 Ай бұрын

Great episode 😊

@isekaity9113 Ай бұрын

I love Bryan episodes ❤ and I’m a nevermo 😂

@teaksworld Ай бұрын

What a great episode

@honeybearcares Ай бұрын

The doing the first annointing once was creepy enough. Who the hell would want to be violated a second time...

@angiestewart3444 Ай бұрын

Hang on,I understand that women can't hold the priesthood so how much does that blessing of her spouse hold up

@cindihunter9119 Ай бұрын

Men who's fishy about "the secrets!" UGH! Being a true, Fishers of Men, I thought actually involved having A Christ Characteristic of self... Yeah, I don't see this in the church's example- >°{(())>< 🎣

@WellnessMealsWater Ай бұрын

Why would the dead people need a second anointing if they are already in their designated area of heaven based on their life according to mormon theology the plan of salvation?

@sheliabryant3997 Ай бұрын

@WellnessMeals. No 🌈🌈 kidding. [But don't go getting too rational; you know how dangerous it is to ACTUALLY T H I M K!]