John Dehlin Explains Joseph Smith and His Own Story - w/ the Cross Examiner

John Dehlin Explains Joseph Smith and His Own Story - w/ the Cross Examiner | Ep. 1907

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John Dehlin is in the hot seat again, this time with Graham Martin’s podcast, The Cross Examiner. Graham takes on the case of Rationality vs Religion using his experience as a lawyer to examine claims, making his listeners the “jury.”
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Chapters
00:00:00 Background of John Dehlin
00:06:16 In 2015 he was excommunicated from the church
00:07:50 Who is Graham Martin?
00:09:00 John’s education
00:12:25 Graham’s background
00:16:35 History of the Church
00:37:50 How Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon
00:44:50 Polygamy 00:47:00 The legal side of destroying the Nauvoo Expositor
01:04:00 Understanding the truth claims - Outrageous claims
01:14:30 What started John questioning the Church?
01:17:45 John’s Mission experience
01:37:50 Starting his podcast
01:44:?? John advocated for LGBTQ
01:53:00 Wanting to change the church from within?
01:58:15 Why never-Mormons listen to the podcast
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@thecrossexaminer6665 Ай бұрын

Thank you, so much for your time, Dr. Dehlin. It was a real joy to work with you!

@Latter-dailyDigest Ай бұрын

Come on our show!😊😊😊

@user-kz8mq8co8i Ай бұрын

I was taught the truth regarding Joseph Smith when I visited Navoo, Illinois.

@Latter-dailyDigest Ай бұрын

@@user-kz8mq8co8i what was the truth and who taught it?

@user-kz8mq8co8i Ай бұрын

@@Latter-dailyDigest Listen to John and he will cover everything I learned in 1975 and more that has been revealed. He reports it very well. Have a great day.

@padfootdoggy Ай бұрын

Dang you should have had him tell you the story of when he dated a famous actress.

@healinspaces4u Ай бұрын

"When I was kicked out of the Mormon Church, I joined the Human Church. " John 😱💖

@esthernwogu6511 11 күн бұрын

Why disturb yourself about the church of the first born what do you want to achive

@keithherrera1038 2 күн бұрын

@@esthernwogu6511 I was part of the human church and I realized how depraved humans are and how miserable they are. I joined God's church. Sounds like you threw the baby out with the bathwater.

@trembletea Ай бұрын

I’ve been hooked on Mormon Stories for a few years, and this is the first time I’ve heard John’s story in any detail. Thanks for doing this interview!

@mycatsnameiskaren8253 Ай бұрын

Me too. This was a fantastic interview!!!

@agirly1503 Ай бұрын

Me too! I'm learning lots!😊

@pamelatd Ай бұрын

"why were native Americans speaking in old English" John. Why has that never occurred to me??

@oddcheese6384 Ай бұрын

I personally really appreciate how safe and respectful this podcast is. When I started questioning the church a few months ago and wanted to find information that the church wasn’t really talking about, I felt like this podcast and their guests were very respectful of their approach to things that I was questioning. That really helped me to listen instead of retreating back to the church and helped me to deconstruct it without being as angry as I otherwise might’ve been about everything that I had been through with the church up to that point.

@terrymyraejtytk4304 Ай бұрын

Love this episode. I'm a never Mormon but I love listening to John and his guests.

@kdholden Ай бұрын

As a Never Mormon, I was fascinated because I struggled with my own Christian belief system and the similarities are so closely related. Cult to consciousness brought me to your channel and I am grateful. ❤

@jondayoung6883 Ай бұрын

Yep-same and same!

@ese_JONNYX3 14 күн бұрын

Which Christian belief exactly? I ask because The Book of Mormon is a mockery of the Bible, and nothing like it. The Bible has scholars, and scientists who to this day still study it. I listen to astrophysicists that speak of the Bible describing the things they’re discovering now. Islam, Mormonism, Jehova’s Witnesses are all attempts at trying to copy and call the Bible false at the same time. They all fail.

@keithherrera1038 2 күн бұрын

Me too. I've never been so miserable since I joined the cult of atheism and worship of self. My ego makes me sick every day of the week.

@rykdheiner Ай бұрын

Love this version of John, he should be interviewed more often, let him be more ranty, love the expressiveness with the hands

@stephjo99 Ай бұрын

Agree!

@terriannehigby4095 Ай бұрын

In the late 50s and into the 60s I was young and went to the church. I was told all the things you have said about J.S. In my 20s I didn't go because somehow I interpreted that I wasn't good enough. Later in my late 30s. I went back for awhile it was very different environment. It got to be very confusing after awhile because a lot of people denied the things I learned about J.S. So glad to hear you validate everything that was taught about J.S. In 50s and 60s. I didn't remember it in detail so I doubted myself. Listening to John talk about it, is kind of healing for me. Truth is so powerful. It's the only way to live. I love, absolutely love John Dehlins videos. They have been food for my soul and spirit. As I sit here thinking about it. Wow! There's no words to describe how freed up I am. The truth will set you free.😇💞😇💞

@ValaHauks-mj7ub Ай бұрын

I’m from Iceland 🇮🇸 and not religious but find the LDS church fascinating im really curious about this because of Chad and Lorie trial and Ruby Frank and Jody case and also their are some LDS members here in Iceland 🇮🇸 from Utah that are going house to house to get people to be in their Church of LDS 😂just really young boys maybe 20 years old but they talk like they have a mountain of knowledge about life i find that interesting and funny at the same time 😂

@Notmep Ай бұрын

The Mormons have a huge sales force of youngsters pressured & groomed into giving 2 years of thier lives selling the beliefs door to door, I have such pity for that level of indoctrination

@heathermcdougall8023 Ай бұрын

Don't! Just don't!

@LizzaJo Ай бұрын

Youre right!Be kind to them cuz they're likely 18 yrs old and don't know any better 😵‍💫😟

@ValaHauks-mj7ub Ай бұрын

Of course im nice to them i myself have 3 sons 🩵and yes they are around 18-20 years old probably on their mission they dress real nice and look very innocent and happy 😃ignorance is a bliss i guess 🙈but its actually really strange to hear so young men speak like they have so much knowledge about life and really believe themselves that’s so fascinating to me 😂

@pamelavargas6811 Ай бұрын

I am always kind to those I call religious door knockers...I pray for them as I send them on their way....if you can't be kind don't answer the door...I know you suspect who they are❤

@junetteharper4642 Ай бұрын

My ancestors joined in England and came to the U.S. and were the original handcart pushing Mormon pioneers, so it was very difficult for me to break away from the church. Took about 20 years to de-construct. I believe in some sort of higher power, but cannot attend ANY church. I agree with John, they all have problems. I would just be trading one problem for another.

@amybucher5439 Ай бұрын

That sounds very difficult. Especially considering the narrative that your ancestors came to the US from England. That's a great deal of obligation.

@hybred757 Ай бұрын

Completely understand…my family also came from the original pioneering on the organ trail. Heavy rooted in the religion.

@brianfolsen1919 Ай бұрын

My ancestors on my Mom's and Dad's side came from England and Denmark respectively. Both were handcart Pioneers. I am 54 years old and have been active and inactive through the years. I have finally let it go. Deconstructing has been hell. I love how Jon is so respectful in his podcasts. Literally, right in the beginning, correcting the interviewer on the church name. This was a great podcast. Thanks Jon. I appreciate your work!

@robynnepeterson3798 23 күн бұрын

My ancestors came from England and a the 12 Handcart Company!

@aminaadamu9342 Ай бұрын

Just checked the book of genesis in the old testament and the curse of Ham mentions that the descendants his son Canaan will be enslaved. It doesn't curse him with dark skin. It is the mormon church that interprets it as dark skin, thereby justifying the enslavement of people of African descent. I know I'm being pedantic but I feel it's important to gets the facts straight. Thank you for doing this episode. And thanks for the work you both do.

@LT11721 Ай бұрын

Wow, that’s good to know!!! I was upset to think the Bible condemned skin color

@Hallahanify Ай бұрын

@LT11721 the bible still condones genocide and all sorts of horrible things so let's not get too excited about it.

@RobinaDunstan Ай бұрын

@@Hallahanify here's what I was taught as a Catholic. The Old Temperament has words such as defeat, slain in thousands and even some specifically that 'God slain the Canaanites', for example. Later on, even in the same Book Canaanites are alive. The Old Testament requires a lot of historical context and understanding that words need to be interpreted as they would when first written. Even now we say 'team A killed team B' after a sporting match. Team B would be alive.

@Hallahanify Ай бұрын

@@RobinaDunstan that's some hardcore cafeteria catholicism. Many of the catholics I was raised around had much more literal interpretation of the bible. My uncle who is a devout catholic says the old testament justifies the genocide of the Palestinians.

@diannabennett511 Ай бұрын

I think he said this is what they were taught prior to learning the truth

@ljaderomero Ай бұрын

I like how Graham Martin distinguished between the truth claims of the Church and the community of the Church. And I like how he said the price we pay for the community is having to believe in the outlandish truth claims. That is so true. I know some people are happy to continue participating while quietly being non-believers, but that doesn’t work for many people.

@sherieweber6708 Ай бұрын

That’s exactly why I couldn’t continue on with the church! I couldn’t/wouldn’t ever sacrifice my integrity and not being my honest and true self with others. And I most definitely wouldn’t just to have a built in community.

@ginafrancis4950 Ай бұрын

When I left as an adult my dad said- you should stay in the church for the community. I said I couldn’t participate in something I didn’t believe in and keep my sanity.

@ChristinaTodd1970 Ай бұрын

I’m a never-Mormon. I watch because 1) ex husband’s family is Mormon but not me. 2) Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell/Jodi and Ruby. 3) it’s crazy how cults work, the human condition is fascinating. Many Mormons I know have shiny, sparkly eyes and big smiles, which is attractive. Too bad one has to believe in Joseph Smith’s wild ass teachings to belong.

@SilentThundersnow Ай бұрын

'Shiny sparkly eyes and big smiles' is often an image that is expressed as the mask for what we wanted so badly to be or become, the 'perfect Mormon.' Because the perfect Mormon is the only thing that will get you into the 'perfect Mormon heaven,' where your family won't be scattered away from you for eternity. It is often a facade, and I run into it now as an ex Mormon, and I find their mask covering some conflicted realities and personalities hiding behind that image they try so hard to present to the world. Sometimes there are very harmful people behind that mask.

@ginafrancis4950 Ай бұрын

Shiny happy people by REM. Inspired by a Chinese propaganda poster after the bloody massacre at Tienanmen square in 1989. Whenever I hear that song I I think of Mormons. I grew up in the church. Members putting on the facade of shiny happy and wholesome perfection. I could see the cracks but never spoke of the hypocrisy while growing up. It wasn’t safe.

@doctorquestian Ай бұрын

I do not understand that you have embraced that Joseph Smith as fiction. Why not become a Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist, or some other protestant belief?

@anthonyfowler8634 Ай бұрын

You have touched on what Neurologists call “The God Factor” and Joseph Smith went through it.

@merricat3025 Ай бұрын

That reminded me of the Amazon documentary on the iBLP. The shiny happy people cult. It's the one the Duggars are part of

@Kimberlaina Ай бұрын

Nevermo long-time listener here. I wanted to add to the discussion of why Mormon Stories is so compelling for a nevermo. The core narrative of Mormonism is incredibly far-fetched for anyone not raised in the faith, but it feels and seems close enough to mainline Christianity to be familiar. I think for a lot of listeners, especially Christians and questioning Christians, this allows Mormonism to provide a thought experiment about religion more broadly, and invites all of us to wonder why we believe what we do. Is it family, tradition, logic, culture? When we choose to devote our lives, resources, and money to a belief system, what is our standard of proof? A lot of people in mainline Christian denominations never ask these questions because our belief systems are so normal in America, but Mormonism raises the question, what if ALL of it is strange and illogical? If it is, do we still choose to participate, and why? Is it harmless to participate? It's a completely different lens through which to view faith and obedience, and for me has allowed me to consider what my own standards are for participation in organized religion.

@healinspaces4u Ай бұрын

Wow!!! So well said. Thank you. ❤

@melmoulton6234 26 күн бұрын

What is strange and illogical about Christianity?

@tatianahairer5987 15 күн бұрын

❤

@daniellima2973 Ай бұрын

Finally Mormon stories and AXP mentioned together

@user-kz8mq8co8i Ай бұрын

I seriously appreciate you. I’ve even studied with Maharishi Maheshi Yogi. I’ve studied as many religious regimes and when their God is so poor that he needs so much money to build their own house or a temple or buy a pool or a car; or there is a man that wants to hate any group of people in order to be racist or create any distructive movement. If Gid created humans in his own image, then how can anyone decide to hate if a group isn’t skin color, hold the right job, speak the right language, believe in the different view of children, sex, ugliness of any kind, different opinions, etc. we need to keep studying and learn about others. I’m 79 yo and still doing it.

@carlaperkins655 Ай бұрын

John dehlin, I've been listening to you for 2 years because of the vallow Daybell case. I finally learned your own story today!

@gandalfthegrey Ай бұрын

I'm a never-mormon. I'm honestly amazingly surprised by how many interesting stories I've come across just listening to your podcast. I like listening to people's religious deconstruction stories. The way so many Mormons seem to be very well educated in their own theology is also intriguing.

@kingimatthews4481 Ай бұрын

Mormons in general are pleasant people, deep down they are fine. but when some are uncultured it begs the question of comprehension, as to what they are actually living. I have lived that life so I would know, I feel like im in my right mind now an on a different path. Without the help of worldly Scholars to help us with this deconstruction, life would have been worse for a lot of misguided people.

@Piglet9944 Ай бұрын

I’ve been listening for about a year and I’ve always loved how John talks to guests with compassion and gentleness. It gives me “father I never had” vibes 😂 I clicked SO fast to hear all about his mormon story and I’ve thoroughly enjoyed this episode.

@Notmep Ай бұрын

So glad you mentioned the Mormon belt! I’ve called it the Morridor living adjacent & observing the cult

@rustydog2112 Ай бұрын

So close to Mordor

@thecrossexaminer6665 Ай бұрын

@@rustydog2112 This got me laughing.

@BuzzardShtwagon Ай бұрын

I-15

@NeonNijahn Ай бұрын

One does not simply walk into morridor.

@SilentThundersnow Ай бұрын

Wow!!! John never ceases to amaze me. Thank you John, for using your powers for good! What a fascinating conversation in the human experience. Don't we all want to find truth and align ourselves with it, as we find it? Historically, religion has often discouraged that in favor of keeping us isolated in a belief system that dissuades human curiosity and exploration of what reality is. And that's just sad, as a human with a finite number of years to explore life. Thank you to John and Graham for an excellent discussion on the topic!

@ginafrancis4950 Ай бұрын

Yes!! Epic episode!

@ryangarrard3135 Ай бұрын

I have grown so much learning from you and your cohorts John! I am an exmormon, and appreciate the good work you put into the world. Informed consent is my goal to with the people iny life, i am not out of my angry phase yet lol. I hope to approach a similar space to promote communication with others, to learn and do what i can to help in this crazy tragic world. Take care, and keep up the great work!

@barbaralael5092 Ай бұрын

Sometimes I wish I had an ExMormon to talk with. Besides John here, I have no one. My husband a non member, atheist thinks my answer would be just to not mention the Mormons again. That doesn't work. I know no one that left the Church.

@jacksonsmart870 Ай бұрын

I feel this so deeply. I also have my own Mormon story. Thank you both!

@savannahcook7246 Ай бұрын

This podcast was like a therapy session for me wow. Thank you for putting words to the feelings so many of us exmormon and ex religious people have 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

@MykArd Ай бұрын

Wow. Before there was a concept of a “shelf”, I started questioning things that didn’t seem right about the church in my late teens. I talked to my (Mormon) friends about my concerns snd was pulled in by my bishop, a man I respected greatly. He explained to me that God allows people yo be tempted to the level they can withstand, and that I was smarter than my friends and could withstand more than they could. He encouraged me to talk to him directly about my faith questions, but not yo tempt my friends because they may not be able to handle the questions. He was sincere and meant well, but created two new giant problems via his “solution”. First, he implied that I could over-rule God, and that my talking to my friends would create a situation God does not allow where people are tempted beyond their ability to resist. Second, when I clarified that I should “act as if everything is OK around my friends” he affirmed. But that was asking me to lie and deceive. Those two problems immediately broke the shelf I didn’t know I had.

@BobbieTaylor-yq1ei Ай бұрын

Thank you, thank you, for such an intelligent conversation! I’ve forwarded this on to many.

@ronaldruffner779 Ай бұрын

thank you for your hard work and search for Truth in the Morman belief! I was a member for 3 years from Montana. Any religion that won't learn from its history will end up with great people like you to help others to recover from their mental conditions!

@RositaHuff-yx2bg Ай бұрын

….when I was 16 years old, I was told not to come back to meetings in my lutheran church….because I ask questions!

@blancabibriesca4939 Ай бұрын

John, I am glad your “balloon popped “ and you found your true purpose. You have no idea how much you helped me during my faith crisis (2016) and still help me to this day. I was a member for 25+ years in the church in Northern California. Thank you for your great work❤.

@genestippell1833 Ай бұрын

Never a Mormon, not religious just. stumbled upon the Joseph Smith story a couple of years ago. Bryce blankenagel and David Fitzgerald did a series of 20-something episodes about Smith, his cronies and their escapades in chronological order. I happened to catch the series as they were doing it. My first episode was about episode 5 and after the hour I couldn't wait for episode 6. It was so outlandish and so unbelievable that I got hooked. There is no way any writer , anywhere, could create the characters and the shenanigans that describes early Mormon history. If it was illegal, they did it. Each week I couldn't wait for a new episode. The way Smith continually wiggled his way in and out of trouble actually becomes humorous. His hubris and audacity had no bounds. Once they got to nauvoo, john c Bennett crafted the charter for the town and slipped in a clause that made Smith virtually untouchable. These guys made the mafia look like boy scouts. As they kept moving West, the story of Smith and his pals is the gift that never stops giving. Absolutely captivating and fascinating. People need to know that at the time of his assassination he was running for president. Trump being convicted of financial fraud and paying off a pornstar was just another day in the life of Smith. With the current state of affairs, I'm curious why the news media hasn't picked up on the Joseph Smith story. Are they all that ignorant? Or are they afraid of a Mormon backlash? With the council of 50, Smith had plans of becoming president and turning the United States into a Mormon theocracy. By the time of Smith's death, he was dressing in full military regalia looking like Napoleon and had a huge well armed militia at his disposal. I believe to this day, Smith is the only presidential candidate ever to be assassinated.

@44DHernandez Ай бұрын

Actually, from what I understand, they still believe there’s going to be an LDS president and he will turn the USA into an LDS theocracy.

@lindam2873 20 күн бұрын

Do you know where this series can be found to watch? Do you remember the title of it? I would live to catch it!

@rOnda88 20 күн бұрын

Knowing these things (&more) it’s utterly incredible that there’s a religion based on all of this & him, & that generations keep revering & following it. I firmly believe it has to do with their method of teaching (brainwashing). -which has undoubtedly caused many unsafe offshoot situations. The Mormon “church” is not a church. It’s a corporation. & Christianity is not a religion. It’s a relationship with God through the One & Only Savior of the world, Jesus Christ.

@susanclow5384 Ай бұрын

I'm not Mormon, I'm not religious but grew up Lutheran and went to Sunday School and quite when I was old enough. The spiritual world has no religion and what I found in Sunday School was to control people and had so little to with the spiritual world. I wasn't very old when I realized that. So I identify what is wrong with religions including the Mormon religion. It's fun to see people come to realization about how bad so many religions are.

@dorothyd7929 Ай бұрын

I agree. Grew up Roman Catholic but my parents were just not very religious. I think they thought it was what they were 'supposed' to do. My husband and I raised our children without religion. They have grown up and are four good, decent people 😊

@susanclow5384 Ай бұрын

@@dorothyd7929 I raised my kids to be honest, caring and loving but never took them to church.

@scottspoerry2761 Ай бұрын

I'm a Never Mormon, but my parents dragged me to Utah when I was five years old My dad got a job teaching at Utah State University (in Political Science coincidentally). Also coincidentally USU is where John Dehlin got his psychology Doctorate degree I believe. So I lived in a small town in Cache Valley where I was often the only Mormon in my school class. One more coincidence: my town of North Logan is where John lived in during part of his graduate school days. Actually I think he lived just a couple blocks away from our family house. I was in DC during those days where I worked at CNN's Washington bureau as a senior producer for almost 25 years. Now that I am retired and back in Cache Valley (came back for the skiing, stayed for the compound fracture). Now I really enjoy learning a lot more about the LDS church than I ever learned growing up. And I love a good scam or confidence scheme. And, thanks to KZfaq, I've become a bit of a physics nerd and my agnosticism turned into to total non-belief. And I would like to say that my best friend growing up was very Mormon and I spent more time at his house than at my home. His family NEVER tried to convert me or push any theology on m. Except that there was prayer at meals, and they even let me say the Lord's prayer in Russian since back then I was nominally Russian Orthodox.

@mormonstories Ай бұрын

I’d love to have lunch some day.

@livehealthyfinishstrong Ай бұрын

John, I am one of your faithful never Mormons. One thing that brings me back again and again is what you talked about at 2:02:00. It is easier to objectively investigate another religion and learn so much about your own.

@CHEVYedsf Ай бұрын

This is... SUCH....a monumental episode. What a powerhouse interview session. If I were to pick any video to send someone about why I no longer believe, this would be it!!!! Thank you!!!

@mormonstories Ай бұрын

Wow, thank you!

@Non-Conforming Ай бұрын

100% agree with @CHEVYedsf. 😃🫶🙌🏼

@bobbicatt Ай бұрын

It’s amazing what we can learn once we start doing our own research. Thank you for another great eye opening episode. Happy Father’s Day to all dads.

@stephanieallangarman5598 Ай бұрын

I appreciate the TRUTH. As an Indigenous Native American…I just wish dumb ol’ J.S. would have left Tribal People out of his occult. My FAITH is in the GOSPEL of the GOOD NEWS. Thank you both for the HISTORY of JOSEPH SMITH.

@jessicazoppi2004 Ай бұрын

This is EPIC having you on as a guest John 😊❤

@Notmep Ай бұрын

The mo-mo’s silliest and magical thinking is thankfully being exposed more and thanks to Daybell and Vallow types So many more don’t receive such press

@orisonorchards4251 Ай бұрын

Tragic might be a better word than silly. Many Mormons believe their children are possessed by evil spirits (demons) when they misbehave or struggle with mental illness or depression or anything. Ruby Frankes children would have been murdered just like the Vallow kids if the boy hadn't escaped.

@LordOfThePancakes 10 күн бұрын

Lori’s innocent. It was Chad who is responsible for the heinous crimes committed

@brettneuberger6466 Ай бұрын

This is a masterful interview from both of you. Having been out of the church for many years, I’ve learned it’s not my place to unsolicitedly de-convert believing friends and family. That said, if someone really wants to know, this might be the first thing I’d share. Well done!

@DorkCity182 Ай бұрын

I’m only at 5:20 here Just want to say I found Mormon stories last year some time probably from the Ruby Frankie case actually.. I’m a never Mormon. But I have been fascinated by the stories I’ve heard on here. The six hour one y’all did where you broke down that book that Lori vallow was reading was SO INTERESTING. I couldn’t stop listening to it. Thank you John 💛 I have slept to your voice many times lol

@NorthernShrew Ай бұрын

Loved this. I love 2+ hours of Just John.

@norlavine Ай бұрын

This interview = Wow! Thank you both.

@sarahpinho1114 Ай бұрын

Looking forward to it, appreciate your content!

@jenna2431 Ай бұрын

I love the distinction of identifying as atheist being in some way a validation to theism. I prefer it as an adjective, not a noun. My religious position is atheist. Not me. I'm much more than this one box.

@dionclark6581 Ай бұрын

Welcome to the human race, John Dehlin and winning the blue ribbon.

@michellesunshinestar Ай бұрын

It's ironic, my family has a law firm. And my one cousin had so much hard time getting a law degree (passing the bar), but he did. My uncle notarized my exit letter though. I was on the debate team, so I've always been able to see both sides of the story. Mr. John you have a great voice, you could have been a DJ or in TV as a news reporter. My mom would understand all of this, she was a computer programmer back then.

@westieweardogkilts9715 Ай бұрын

Loved hearing your story John, have watched MSP for ages but haven't heard the timeline of your life. I can give my hubby the term Secular Christian as that sounds like his handle, he felt the others are too harsh - fell back on"Scientist" instead. CHEERS both of you.

@LT11721 Ай бұрын

Such a blessing the two of you. Personally, I am a child of the universe LOL. I believe in God I believe in many faiths that have so much to offer but I don’t have to be exclusive…..

@karinmalcolm3352 Ай бұрын

Love all of Mormon Stories. I am totally unreligious. I do however love hearing the stories. Being in or out. Love your podcasts John

@Lara-EL Ай бұрын

This was very educational! I never knew about the roots of the LDS church leader(s). Thank you for this!

@kevinknox9543 Ай бұрын

I never did get a confirmation of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon after I read it. And, I was looking forward to it!

@sophibrumby9542 Ай бұрын

So good to hear more of your own background story John! Even though not Mormon I can really relate to that religious multi-generational thing and also the overloaded shelf!!

@michellesunshinestar Ай бұрын

I remember that Y2K. I got an A in psych 100 at the community college. There was this other LDS girl there, and we were waiting in the hallway. Everybody knew she was LDS. I was so afraid they would find out I was also LDS. So, I never said anything.

@BUY_YOUTUB_VIEWS_819 Ай бұрын

Your video was so informative. I learned so much.

@milesorrion Ай бұрын

Thank you for this podcast episode! I've been having doubts about the LDS church since being baptized and this helps me realize my doubts are founded. I can't let my family continue to be apart them. It's only been about 2.5 months. At first I was very curious as to why they never talk about to Bible on Sunday and then I came across an NDE where a guy said he saw Joseph Smith in hell and that made me even more curious. Thank you.

@annettegibbons 23 сағат бұрын

My dad always said to my brother …even if you don’t believe any of it. It is a pretty darn good way of life. You will be healthy, have a faithful wife, good family etc etc My brother is amazing and going strong in the church! ❤️ He is not in a bubble…he has lived all over the country in hospital administration. He mingles well with people of all faiths.

@isabel_hendrix Ай бұрын

Really loved this episode!!! Thank you!!

@jogsingumboots Ай бұрын

Really appreciate this conversation

@VoteLeslieKnope Ай бұрын

As someone who has recently left the Mormon church, listening to our history in this context is just bonkers 😂 I’m thankful for John and others like him that helped me research the true story and realize I was in a freaking cult!

@lisahance Ай бұрын

Such an interesting interview!

@NilDreams 5 күн бұрын

Loved this interview. I’m an ex Jehovah’s Witness. Been listening to Jon for a few years now. Learned from listening to his interviews that all religions are exactly the same. Money making businesses that prey on people.

@Louanda597 Ай бұрын

What an amazing episode! I learnt so much. Very thought provoking.

@Consistent-Insomniac49 Ай бұрын

This is awesome! I have not heard John tell his story before. I am not Mormon, nor have I ever been so this is quite informative! Nauvoo, Illinois is not far from me (about 45 minutes) and Joseph Smith's village before he traveled west to Utah still stands and is quite a tourist spot in the area

@ginafrancis4950 Ай бұрын

JS didn’t get to Utah. He was killed before. After a protracted dispute with other men who claimed they were the rightful heirs to Joseph’s church. Brigham Young ultimately won that power struggle and lead the majority of members to Utah. His followers were called Brigamites.

@ainokea911 Ай бұрын

I went to read about him Warren Jeff because of Mormon Podcast. He mimicked Joseph Smith. He look very charsmatic like David Koresh. My cousin and her husband were think of going to Waco but her husband told her he's to charismatic, I dont trust him. But she lost friends in that catastrophe. One of her friends, husband and wife owned a bakery here in Oahu,Kailua they died in the raid. Couple of her married friends left before they seiged the compound. One two many children died, it was so sad. David Koresh attended the Diamond Head Church in Honolulu.

@skylarkblue4853 Ай бұрын

Kamaaina Oahu here. I didn't know the connection to Koresh.

@michellesunshinestar Ай бұрын

I missed the beginning. I was out with my friend. I wanted to support your channel. You and Without a Crystal Ball I support.

@darinnielson4148 Ай бұрын

Great interview!

@mikesherer8562 Ай бұрын

John, this is the most amazing podcast you have ever shared, by far! Thank yuou.

@mormonstories Ай бұрын

Wow, thank you!

@jeffkunce8501 Ай бұрын

re: Episcopals + clergy project: A key moment in my faith life was hearing an episcopal priest say from the pulpit: "When we say the creed, we say 'we believe', not 'I believe.' It's not what you happen to believe or disbelieve at the moment. It's not even what *I*, your pastor, believe or disbelieve at the moment. We all believe and disbelieve different things at different times in our lives. The creed is about the principles that we choose to believe collectively, to try to cope with the world, and to make it a better place." If other religions had that attitude, you guys would be out of a job 😊

@NancyDrew1 23 күн бұрын

I fall asleep listening to true crime and wake up to your podcast. Not sure how that happens but this stuff is interesting and you have great guests. I’m not a Mormon and will never be a Mormon but the history is fascinating.

@Starlight_Silver Ай бұрын

That was great, thanks guys!

@Daniela_Explored Ай бұрын

Just watched the ted talk from way back. Stilly so beautifully relevant and applicable today.

@26beegee 8 күн бұрын

So great you are using your experience, education and compassion to help others. After 50+ years I am the only one of my extended family, except for my adult daughter, who has left the Charismatic non-denominational church my brother founded. Luckily my family has not shunned me but, we don’t have much in common anymore. So hard to be with them when the focus of every conversation is prayer, “God told me”, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I just can’t live in that fantasy world anymore. They have no idea how crazy they sound to me and I have to work very hard not to constantly point that out. Exhausting!

@saraax Ай бұрын

Not a Mormon. I'm a Christian. (From my view, I find those to not be compatible.) I study comparative religions. I stumbled upon your podcast by reading the book by Elissa Wall, "Stolen Innocence." Then I listened to her podcast series with you. I've wondered about your background.

@gateway6827 Ай бұрын

Religion is interesting because we were designed by God to seek God. He lets us choose to love Him or not.

@user-ce8tr1ex2m Ай бұрын

What was the name of the episode where John tells believing Mormon uncomfortable truths & where can we watch it?

@mormonstories Ай бұрын

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@milasavelyev2944 Ай бұрын

I like when you said, I like to be open and who knows that is after life!

@stevewages 25 күн бұрын

Fantastic show. I’ve been listening to John and Mormon stories for months, but never knew the Genesis of his work. Thanks, Graham and John, for this wonderful, articulate, thoughtful episode.

@Retrorick642 Ай бұрын

That was very educational

@kledjadauti2340 Ай бұрын

Nice episode 👏

@hollih4839 19 күн бұрын

I am a born and raised Utah county mormon. I saw your billboards all over and was told over and over to not "dabble" in that anti-mormom crap. Youll go down that rabbit hole quick. I was afraid to. My brother donated some money to you and he posted it on facebook. I judged him SO hard. My 2nd oldest son tells me he no longer believes, i was appalled. I got into cult documentaries with the FLDS movie..and polygamy fascinated me. I watched stuff from the kingston clan (mind blown that it was right under my nose and no clue). Then got more into cult documentaries. I had not wanted to go to church for years but did so to make my husband and kids happy. But never really questioned it. I had a lot of stuff on my shelf. Now im here...started with some mormon stories, found out about the hat and seer stone (mind blown) and keep trying to get caught up on the videos. Who even am I? I feel so duped and betrayed and all the other things. Someone on one of the stories said that once you hear it, you cant unhear it and its so true. Its either true or its not, right? My mind is so blown.

@mormonstories 19 күн бұрын

Let us know if we can help @hollih4839!!! You’re not alone! ❤️🙏

@alexandersmit4256 Күн бұрын

I think it was Ricky Gervais who said that atheism isn't a religion, in the same sense that not skiing is not a hobby. The whole thing about atheism is that it doesn't offer a set framework for identity. For me, personally, it's Russel's Teapot. I see no necessity to suppose any kind of divine intelligence or power. In fact, it only makes the universe less sensible and logical. Religion has just always seemed like working towards a premise, rather than a conclusion, to me.

@GaliSinatra Ай бұрын

Such an interesting conversation!

@RB-bu2lh Ай бұрын

This show is great. As a Roman I of course consider the Mormons to be heretical pagans, but they can repent.

@texas2645 6 күн бұрын

You are right I am 55 and never knew Joseph was a polygamist let alone polyamourus. All these things are blowing my mind. I feel like a big dummy not even knowing my own religion but at the same time, they went to great lengths to cover it up. I feel violated. Thanks for bringing this to light

@AnastasiaBeverhousen Ай бұрын

What happened to episode 1899?

@Huey2ie Ай бұрын

My family too is in a weird dark place, so tough!

@susansullivansullivan3695 Ай бұрын

Love you John! You are a treasure.

@annettegibbons 22 сағат бұрын

Graham was great! He took the high road and has a very mature approach to all things religious.

@raincadeify Ай бұрын

I see this is 10 days old but I hope you see this. According to Aaron from Growing Up In Scientology, YT is no longer monetizing multistreams. Just letting you know. You have to modify it in some way and post seperately or neither channel gets monetized.😱

@connieburge2298 Ай бұрын

My fourth great aunt was a pioneer as were her sons. One participated in Mountain Meadows,seemingly. My sister converted to Mormonism. I'm interested to reflect on things in my family that are similar to Mormonism. It's all very interesting!

@24kennifer Ай бұрын

I liked hearing your story John. Baptism and Tithing have been a big problem for me, a convert at 18. One Bishop made no effort to cover up his efforts to baptise as many as he could and sort of made it a Joke just getting to people with his funny friendly personality. And being a convert I see how they just drop you and don't talk or visit anymore like they did before the baptism. Your mission story struck that cord super hard!! I told myself this isn't a bad place to be or a bad thing to do. But I finally had enough when Nelson got in and Covid propaganda from the church started. I have such a better understanding of everything that I learned before and after and it affirmed to me that I was uncomfortable from the get go for good reason. But when a Mormon Boy thinks they love a non mormon girl you do what you gotta do!! I love Mormon discussions. Those are my favorites episodes!!

@shurrieweatherman468 Ай бұрын

A question I have always had is about family in heaven. If each married man gets their own world, wouldn’t that mean they weren’t in their parents world. It would just be two parents per world in that case? How do they explain that?

@williamwickline8444 Ай бұрын

These are the Learned men that the scriptures speak of in the last days, who will know more than God Himself and look beyond the mark. 😢

@holstein75 Ай бұрын

??????? I quit being a Mormon years ago but how do I get my name removed from their records

@padfootdoggy Ай бұрын

John im wondering if you saw the mormon musical before as a actove mormon... i know when i was active i was told not to and didnt see it till my now husband then bf took me. Omg this is ONE of my favorite episodes. I was thinking of getting the live but was like meh dont feel like Joseph smith junk today and i will say the title is misleading because ya

@camiwynkoop1352 Ай бұрын

🙋🏼‍♀️ Cult cousin exjw checking in! ❤ We can relate …

@leecooper3852 24 күн бұрын

The Bible doesn't teach questioning the Holy Spirit is a sin, It says grieving the spirit is an unforgivable sin.

@dorimosher9800 Ай бұрын

I majored in POLSCI in the early 90s because I was thinking about going to law school, but I talked to some lawyer friends too! In fact, I was in DC winter semester 1990 and lived in Oakwood Apts in Alexandria and worked for Jake Garn.

@mormonstories Ай бұрын

We were practically in the same cohort!