Story time : So I was playing in a 4 player game, and an opponent had a mekusar as well as a puzzle box, it was a board stall and I was playing a artifact snowball deck (previously using memnarch.) I coasted expropriate, and the mekusar player laughed, naming the play a non-bo. He then convinced everyone to say "extra turn" because I was dead after the four turns. My next turn play was cyclonic rift.

They did make a card that protects you from Cyclonic Rift. Teferi's Protection. You can't bounce my stuff if it doesn't exist.

Protection from mass bounce? Add that to another amazing thing Teferi's Protection does. Hell, my Teferi's Protection peels and cuts both garlic and onions and it's machine washable!

My playgroup uses the phrase “would you like to supersize that?” for rhystic study and its great

Regarding Rhystic Study: In my playgroup we play with the rule that if you miss a Study (or remora) trigger, it's your problem. And you can't just be like "oh I made a mistake two turns ago, can I redo?"

You shouldn't be going back 2 turns with rystic study, it's a may trigger. The owner had to remember it.

For Rhystic Study (I love the card), I don't always ask them if they want to pay the mana to prevent me from drawing. And when others play the card, I usually don't pay for it in order to pay it forward. I play this card in almost ALL decks with blue. I love the card.

Maybe you guys should do an episode about commanders that make you a target. those commanders that make you get hated out before you do anything. most of the commanders I've played make me get hated out because I've played prossh, yidris, kaalia, rashmi, yisan, and karador and All of them have had me get hated out.

My top 5: 1: lim-dul's vault (takes so much longer than top) 2: triumph of the hordes (too many 1 card kills) 3:Paradox engine (turns normal decks into storm decks) 4: Thieve's auction (omg 1 hr turn or what) 5: Mana web (big ol feels bad)

You can tape over the Morton Salt labels, but as a Hutchinson resident, I will always recognize the salt that is mined from under my city.

I just discovered the show a few days ago and have watched almost every single episode since! Now, while this may reveal that I could certainly spend time at least a "tad" more productively (especially since I'm moving this weekend and still need to pack), but it's supposed to reinforce that which I can only assume you already know, which is that YOU GUYS ROCK!!!! Keep'em coming, gents, and also... How do I get a spot on the show??? ;)

Once had an awesome game where three out of four players had either Grave Pact or Dictate of Erebos on the field. Then the Ayli player played Gift of Immortality and managed to have his creature survive all thanks to priority order.

I actually started incorporating Infect into my Hapatra deck to make my opponents play to the board. Overall it made our games more fun cause ppl have to be more interactive with the over players and more cautious about how open they wanna be. I think Cards like Triumph of the Horde make ur Commander games more fun because ppl play more answers and less combo pieces. =)

Rhystic study: if you want the card, remind them asap, if not and any other action was taken, you missed the trigger. That's how my playgroup handles study. my personal top 5 most hated cards: - Iona - aura shards - aura shards - aura shards - aura shards Since it basically removes 2 card types from the game and good luck dealing with it, if you are in red/black/blue.

really a great video thank you. For me one of my worst case scenario are armagedon or back to basic (with it is almost the same for me since I run Atraxa) but I was a little bit surprise that you did'nt point out lighthouse chronologist it could be really bad if there are two on the table or even just one you will always have an extra turn if you could protect that guy.

With Nissa as my main EDH deck, there's a whole suite of options for the mono-green anti-Iona counterscrew plan. Eye of Ugin and Sanctum of Ugin can search up Duplicant or the Ulamogs that give you an out. If you feel like it's likely to come down on you, early search for the lands helps provide security on not being perma-hosed, but it's still a potential wrecking if they have any extra support to protect the lock.

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woow.. awesome background! by the premise of this video in our group the most annoying card is Windfall because it is usually used several times in a game, but for me the card that I hate most/annoying is the Commander Grand Arbiter Augustin IV.

Your channel is amazing, because of your videos I am trying to convince all of my family and friends to try commander with me! I've even offered to buy the decks. Keep up your awesome work!!

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Void Winnower.

This video should really be called..."Powerful cards in EDH you should be playing."

In my magic group, when a card says may and someone forgets it, too bad. If it has to happen, then we will allow it. Rhystic Study example when forgetting one or two spells/turns later.

If I run grave pact and erebos do each triger or are they redundant? Example I sac a creature with ashnods alter grave pact triggers and everyone sacs 1 creature and also erebos triggers and another gets saced or do they trigger each other and go until the board is empty?

1) winter orb 2) lim duuls vault 3) aura shards 4) propaganda(and all similar effects) 5) tangle wire

If you keep getting hosed by blood moon maybe just maybe you should put some basics in your deck

A friend of mine in my playgroup likes playing angel tribal so I see avacyn aoh,arrmegedon,Iona and linvala a ton. I run a mono green Azusa against it and I run bonds of mortality,Heroric intervention,Arashi sky asunder and whirlwind to try and play around them. When you're fast and can draw a ton of cards having just that one out can be so satisfying to pull.

The way you guys just talked about top is how i do sakura tribe elder I leave him on board and do the land tutor right away or sac him and say that im actually doing it during the end step before my turn. And say that it is actually blocking the first creature to swing at me if it happens.

I am surprised deadeye nav isn't on this list. I run a deadeye/palinchron combo in my Jin gitaxias deck

I run humility in my superfriends lol I love stacking it with dueling grounds. only one creature can attack and they are all 1/1s

My Top 5: 1) Stasis / Winter Orb 2) Humility 3) Thieves' Auction / Confusion in the Ranks / Scrambleverse 4) Iona, Shield of Emeria / Hall of Gemstone 5) Zedruu the Greathearted Honorable Mentions: * Sensei's Divining Top * Nullstone Gargoyle / Decree of Silence * Mindslaver / Time Stretch * Zur the Enchanter / Captain Sisay * Decree of Annihilation / Apocalypse

Always a pleasure to see a new "play" by you, guys! By the way, what's ur stance on sideboards in Commander? Like, when u see player's commanders and there is no blue player while you run that Carpet of Flowers. The same for Wish cycle: do u allow those? If so, under what rules?

If I had to list my Top 10: 1. Iona 2. Iona 3. Iona 4. Iona 5. Iona 6. Iona 7. Iona 8. Iona 9. Iona 10. Cyclonic Rift. Verdict: ban Cyclonic Rift.

Loving the background, I gotta ask though what is with the window? Is it some kind of green screen how's it done?

Great episode. A lot of my favorites on there. Humility and Torpor Orb helped my deckbuilding skills a lot. As for Top, i've noticed its more about the person playing the card. Some people feel like its constantly needed to have that information, some people are patient and only do it when it's necessary . If you are using it more than 1-2 times on average per round, you are probably using it too much. Which is ultimately wasting time and causing that rumor to spread. In most scenarios it should only take you a few seconds to figure out what goes where. Good game sense and card knowledge help speed it up a lot. It seems to be mostly experience based. Newer players tend to durdle with it more, veterans don't even noticed a problem.

This is a great video! So many possibilities, I run Grave Pact with Cauldron of Souls or Altar of Dementia, which goes well with Quillspike or Heartmender (probably the most underrated Elemental creature, imo). Cauldron gives your creatures persist, so they come back with -1 counter, but you can use Quillspike to chomp the -1 counter if you have black or green mana. Or if you go the Heartmender route, your -1 counters go away on your next upkeep. If you have Grave Pact, Cauldron of Souls AND Altar of Dementia in play, this is especially devastating, as you can not only make your opponent sacrifice a creature, but you also get the milling advantage as well. And if you have Quillspike out with lots of black or green mana to spend, you can repeat numerous times in a turn and not only potentially chomp a big chunk out of a deck through the milling but also devastate players with awful creatures, especially if they have creatures that play off each other's abilities and one of them is removed. I've seen some people use this with Relic of Progenitus as well, which is equally brutal, although in one game there was a person exiling Eldrazi creatures using the Relic in combo with Grave Pact, and the Eldrazi player blew off the spell that lets you bring any number of Eldrazi cards from out of the game and put them into play, and this person was also using Mirror Gallery, which basically allowed them multiples of the horrible Eldrazi like Emrakul, Ulamog and Kozilek. Hard to pull off the Eldrazi trick, but it can utterly destroy a player's build.

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The Blue deck player: "Rhrystic Study, do you want to pay one?" Ohter player: " No, you can draw." The Blue deck player: "In response for you not paying for Rhystic Study i'll activate my Sensei's Divining Top!"

I really appreciate the comment about playing certain cards does not make you bad. I love commander and have made over 12 decks. As a result of a few cards one member of my commander group has made a huge deal about playing me to the point where I find it difficult to play commander anymore. Where I live finding another group is not an option either. As a result I have played about 10 commander games this year. It sucks as it is my favourite format too.

This was an incredibly fun episode! You guys had me on the floor you are so funny and creative.

Rhystic Study is honestly super annoying to play WITH, not just against. Being the tax man is such a pain.

Would it be possible for you guys to make super budget decks? I love making these as it uses a lot of knowledge of cards that aren't expensive to make a deck. I would love if you guys could do something like that??????? For commander?

about Prof's cobra, I think I know how it works: you could describe it as a delayed trigger, you have until the beginning of your upkeep step to pay the cost. Since you can't do much during your untap, you have to pay the cost before your turn starts. So, you need to pay mana starting from the moment you are dealt damage by the cobra and before the start of your turn

Stoked to hear you guys bring up Perplexing Chimera, I've used this card for a few years, it's secret tech, until nowww... lmao

Every time I watch these videos I go to card kingdom to look at the price and add it to my wish list for future reference and/or to consider to buy in the future!! 😅😂

I once stole Rites of Replication with a Perplexing Chimera and had Homeward Path out. Victory was slow, inevitable, and not very fun.

I wanna ask I’m running a vampire deck with 36 lands and 5 mana rocks with most drops at 3 how do you make the card draw and mana base more consistent?

Snapped up a few Vedalken Orreries while they only cost $4 after you guys talked about them in one of your vids, so thanks for that. As far as hated cards, probably Aura Shards and Astral Slide(specifically in a Zur deck!).

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Try Confusion in the Ranks + Norin the Wary (-_-)

Thanks for more awesome content!!! I love it, also, September is one of my all time favorite songs!

In no particular order: Sensei's Divining Top - Play it in a way that doesn't waste time, thanks. Rhystic Study - Again, stretching the game out...and it's YOUR trigger. YOU remember it. Teferi's Puzzle Box - UUUUGGGGGHHHHHH Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger - I'd rather you destroy all lands, seriously. Expropriate - Why build a combo when you can just play a single Blue card?

Most annoying cards in all of EDH, IMHO, are the "Chaos Cards"/ Warp World, Theives Auction, Chaos in the Ranks etc... They slow the game to a crawl and make it feel like we're not even playing Magic

Teferi's Protection vs Cyclonic Rift

I am shocked that rhystic study wasn't higher, not only is it really annoying because they will never shut up and miss triggers, but also if even one person decides to just let the player draw cards then you basically lose the game to a wave of card advantage.

39:00 You can play Beast Within or other removal in response to her ETB, so there is more than counterspells that can get rid of her.

Armageddon, Possibility Storm, Stasis and Winter Orb, Rhystic Study.... Ew

Competitive EDH is multiplayer. There is a difference between Duel Commander and cEDH. Different communities and banlists.

Effects like rhystic study are on the caster, if you missed asking for a turn or 2 that is on you, I would not go back to adjust

Even if it is annoying, Blind Obedience is one of my favorites. I used to play orzhov when it was in standard. Extort is a lot more balanced in a non-multiplayer game because it's a 1 for one drain. Same thing for Cyclonic Rift. It's only really possible to use the stronger effect in commander.

You guys need to play more karns. Gets you out of a lot of those jams and it is arguably better than scour. ugin ain't bad either.

I think that "chaos" cards are way more annoying than any of the cards you guys just mentioned. There's nothing I hate more than having to effectively stop the game for 10 minutes so that we can finish resolving a Warp World.

No Meren of Clan Nel Toth. I have thought about building a deck around her myself but the fact that you keep the experience counters, when she comes out again she doesnt have to start over and the creatures brought out in that deck are crazy.

Card kingdom is pretty nice actually, I made an order and ran into troubles with shipping and they were able to send the package back out and it arrived like 2 days afterwards. Awesome customer support.

Have you heard of Hall of Gemstone? It is worse than Blood moon a lot of the time.

I think you're a jerk if you play Iona and name a color that is the same color as a mono-color deck at your table. If that deck is mono-blue control, however, you are a hero.

Expropriate - in Mizzix i cast this often for UU, and copy it 2-3 times. It always elicits groans and concessions lol. So powerful!

I love how they complain about blood moon when back to basics is far worse to play against

The salt in the background is fitting for the content of this video

I highly recommend the book you talked about, it's just great!! I found the part about how humans are the only species that accepts to have something taken from them, in order to get something after death, particularly funny. Like, no monkey would give you his banana if you promised him 1000 bananas in a monkey heaven.

While in your meta I'm sure you don't see them often,but I have to say that when I play shared fate,or mind's dilation,there are collective groans from the table. Good episode,keep up the good work

Guys...WHY is there so much salt?...what could you possibly be cooking?!

Void Winnower?

I don't really personally hate on any card i find it fun to tinker around the challenges be it deckbuilding or playing but there is a list of cards I've shelved and banned myself from playing until the playgroup requires it. After all EDH is at least for me supposed to be fun social meeting for everyone with similar level decks. And the list is in no particular order (including all stax) Tutors (theyre boring way to make a deck good and reliant) Cyclonic Rift Enter the infinite Laboratory Maniac Tainted Pact And a lot of cards like Ad Nauseum or Omniscience that I wont include into decks that can utilize them to the level of "instant win"

All wonderfully annoying cards! Methinks a few that I particularly find annoying/other people do when I play them are: *Quicksilver Amulet/Fist of Suns *Polymorphist's Jest (Not as bad as Humility, but still in this category---especially when combined with Triumph of the Hordes) *Grave Betrayal Whilst not end-all annoying cards, they can be somewhat of a drag to deal with. Thanks for the sound content!

Hey guys! One problem I keep having is my decks are too strong for my playgroup. I like playing optimally :P Is there a way I can keep doing this while not being the bane at the table? Is there a episode you can reference me to or could you answer my question quickly here? Thanks a lot love the show!

Shouldn't this episode be named "EDH cards that keep the format in balance"?

I think you guys never had the AMAZING fun that is having The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale at the table. I really enjoyed hearing everyone besides myself moan about it

I was once in a 3 player ffa game, the mono blue players cast Expropriate. both other players give him and extra turn. he took 3 turns to wipe everyone's board and put Teferi+knowledge pool combo in play. He still lost that game a few turn later.

They should change infect to 20 counters, just for commander.

Well, I lost the right to complain about any cards once I started playing as competitive as possible. Mana Crypt, Mana Drain, Force of Will, and things like that are so common, they're assumed.

One thing to point out about rhystic study: they were saying how annoying it was to go back three turns ago and ask "did you pay one..." etc. RS's draw ability is a MAY ability which means even if they don't pay one you don't HAVE to draw. So if the owner of RS forgets to ask/draw and the game progresses, they don't get to retroact that trigger. Its too late.

All of these are played in my playgroup, but since i play an edric table police deck (i know, im trash lol) i can usually deal with all these threats. Theres one spell i cant stand though, supreme verdict. Cant counter it, and edric crumples to a boardwipe that gets through. I had to start running multiple exile on stack counters because the guy who plays it has spell recursion. Makes for some real nailbiters in our matches lol.

"before we get into it..." Let me stop you right there Jimmy, I'll let you finish, but the most annoying cards are all things blue. Just kidding... kind of.

If it's a blue card, it is the most annoying card.

On the Rhystic Study, when I played competitive Pokémon there was an inter turn effect people would miss a lot. I played that card, I would say “Shrine ticks” in between turns so it was less words. Study could be like “study trigger?”

you can protect creatures against mass bounce with mass flicker effects that return at end of turn, eerie interlude and ghostway. Or with Teferi's protection

Josh should stop complaining about blood moon and play some basics to not get locked out. If your going to be greedy with your manabase you have no basis for complaints when blood moon hoses you.

Alright, you guys don't want to say it but I do: If you play Iona, you are a jerk. Maybe it's just more prevalent in my local meta than yours, but this card has ended too many games outright for me to NOT put counters in for it.

My favorite combo is Awakening Zone/From Beyond and Grave Pact. Its hilarious when they just can't get board state going.

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I play a Sen triplets deck in a meta with mostly red decks (one mono red, one gruul and one jund) and when someone drops blood moon it's just free mana fixing for the tripets.

Hey wouldn't Anthem effects that give all your creatures collective +1/+1 or above get around Humility? Like Titanic Ultimatum would still work but only for the +5/+5 buff because it's giving the +5/+5 isn't an ability and it would just hit them as 1/1's and make them 6/6's right? Or after the Titanic Ultimatum resolves would the +5/+5 be removed once Humility checks it again? I'd like some input.

Also, with Expropriate, it gets even more ridiculous when it's combo'd with Illusion of Choice, resulting in taking like 4-5 extra turns. At that point, it's time to scoop. My fiance plays the combo in his Tatyova deck, so with all that land and card draw, that Expropriate always comes so fast before anyone is even close to being able to handle it.

My friend always plays cards like Smokestacks , Stasis, Winter Orb, Ghostly Prison, Aura of Silence etc. and incorporates some/most of them in every deck he plays :( I’m still kinda new to Commander and he’s one of my main playing partners

I like variety and my decks reflect this. My alter ego is a shapeshifter so.... anyways no limits, glad you prefixed this with still play them just theses are annoying to us. My mom hated mill effects and often refuses to play against mill decks. I love blind obedience and the two opponents sacrifice when my creatures die. Don’t have humility, that’s mean. I would like expropriate and some Vedalkin orrery. Nice video.

Cards I use that people hate are Moat and Magus of the Moat. Against certain decks (such as Magus against a monogreen or Moat against monored) it's a game ender or close to it, because it may not turn off a player's plays like Iona, but it makes a lot of those plays useless.

Torpor Orb also blocks other permanents that state: whenever a creature enters the battlefield. This is important because many decks do not play etb effects on creatures, rather than on artefacts or enchantments which give them a little bit more resilience.

Id have to say mindcrank, but i use it in my Scarab God EDH, or having both Vedalken Orrey and Seedborn Muse at the same time

Proplexing Chimera + Homeword Path.....take control of all the spells. Have had this happen before. Cyclonic rift counter: any form of counterspell and then the new phase out card