Paul's dedication with guitar cabinet design is astounding, no wonder why Zilla cabs is one of the most popular custom cab makers right now.
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Paul = GOAT 🎉
@torstenecke11703 ай бұрын
+1 for integrating these into MIKKO2
@6oundStudio3 ай бұрын
well, as true black metal players say: "No cab - no problem"
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
So much of the overall tone in guitar is in the speaker cab so this is where you can make big changes FOR THE FUTURE!
@mohitrahaman3 ай бұрын
Fellow Milton Cleans enjoyers unite
@OMEGAAMPWORKS3 ай бұрын
Cool stuff Mikko. Just an FYI, the DV77 was not a speaker that was used in our NDSP plugin, but was instead our prototype VM12-65 and another prototype that was not released. This speaker was finalized after the plugin was already completed.
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for correcting this bit of info! I always just assumed that since they were two different prototype speakers and you guys released two speakers..... but not I'm REALLY interested in what it actually was then. 😃
@OMEGAAMPWORKS3 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlabwe will most likely be releasing a similar version to that speaker next year. For now we are 🤐. But we are really excited with the final product
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
@@OMEGAAMPWORKS Can't wait to see what's up. 🙂
@6oundStudio3 ай бұрын
oh cool, I've said the same thing when the video dropped, because I remembered your comment on the other video
@brettclarinmusic3 ай бұрын
For those of us that invested in Mikko 1 and 2, I'd like to see this as an add on for Mikko 2...thanks.
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Good idea - we'll look into compatibility! 😉
@80s_kid3 ай бұрын
It looks like good stuff but for a moment I thought we would get a Mikko 2 update, I think most people would be happy about that.
@MC-og5ss3 ай бұрын
These are great in the mix. High Pass, Low Pass, bit of Soothe and your done. They speed-up my workflow. Thanks for that!
@MC-og5ss3 ай бұрын
Is a Reflex version of the "Traditional" on the horizon?
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
@@MC-og5ss You mean... the Traditional Mesa 4x12 that I used for Neural DSP Nameless? 🤔
@davidmultimedia20243 ай бұрын
Not only this innovation is incredible and might be a total game changer in the studio... but the use of the ML logo vertically to create a R for ''Reflex'' is BRILLIANT. As an experienced graphic designer myself, I'm super into that kind of stuff. Same thing with the ML Drums logo and the drum sticks.. you nailed it! I think it truly reinforces the brand ;)
@AiiZStudio3 ай бұрын
Yeah that R logo really got me haha
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Well thank you for noticing. 🙂 These are the things that I also love working on. Creating a logo that works super small and big is what I try to aim for - this leads to very simple designs and I'm sure other people have thought of very similar things in the past. There's only so many shapes that you'll recognize when they're tiny. The Reflex R was a funny one, when you turn our logo sideways you really don't have to do much. 😄 -Mikko
@woodward_alan3 ай бұрын
I had already purchased Mikko2... any hope these will be included as additional speakers in that plugin?
@jimbo1213 ай бұрын
I would hope that with how much the plugin cost that we would get it included.
@franzmaurer71083 ай бұрын
+1
@Banoffeeee3 ай бұрын
@@franzmaurer7108 +1000
3 ай бұрын
You immediately feel the naturalness and respite of the speaker! Another brand claimed to do the same but it was very difficult for me to appreciate that. I have to try it myself
@kimseniorb3 ай бұрын
I always thought it was your room as all of your IRs spike around 600hz. Great idea overall! congrats
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
That's just how most 4x12s are :/
@DoveSimon3 ай бұрын
These sound fantastic! Any plans to incorporate them into Mikko2?
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Already so many people requesting this - will definitely have to think about it. That's where the visual graphs make things even more clear. 😊
@jackkosto3 ай бұрын
Another +1 for Mikko 2 version :) great stuff!
@user-gq5tz4yv6v3 ай бұрын
got them all, can't wait to try them out!!! Kiitos Mikko ja Kai!!!
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Kiitos kiitos! You know this is like Pokemon right? Gotta catch em all! 😆
@user-gq5tz4yv6v3 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlab 🤣
@0311campbelljk3 ай бұрын
That Dip in frequency is simple physics of the rear baffling to the cab interacting with the movement of speaker. Scoop wont be as pronounced on slant cab and even forward vs rear mounted speakers
@bundgensfrank17763 ай бұрын
Which plugin did you use for the tones at the Ende? Sounds killer!
@scorpio38873 ай бұрын
I’d love to see a reflex for eminence p50e and electro voice EVM-12L.
@kasakka3 ай бұрын
Will these cabs become available in MIKKO 2 at some point?
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
We're talking about it! -Kai
@MrTheog19893 ай бұрын
I'm still using your clark kent's step IR lol
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Wow even I don't have those anymore 😅
@MrTheog19893 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlab time to start up a bootleg business!
@JadeObidosXP3 ай бұрын
Which one of these is recommended for classic rock or in the rock n roll era sounds?
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Green 90 would be the obvious choice to go for but honestly I don't believe in such a thing as a genre specific speaker. It's a little bit more nuanced than that and it may all come down to the high end bite of a specific speaker. Rumours say that the V30 design was trying to be a ceramic speaker that sounded like the Alnico Blue. So although people see V30 as modern it's actually a vintage voiced speaker as the name implies. 🙂
@wasoota3 ай бұрын
Well, I wasn't sure if I was being snakeoiled but that's not what ML Sound Lab or Mikko would do so I took the plunge. They are impressive. Not only do they sound great, but after using them a bit I feel they are not as 'fussy' as many other IRs. Often IRs will be suitable for clean but boomy on leads and such. These you can just set and forget.
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
That is fantastic news - very glad to hear you're enjoying them! -Kai
@Rod_Records3 ай бұрын
These are great, thank you
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!!
@dfgvjnkjdsnbkjsbdvjkhdsb3 ай бұрын
hey Mikko! what are all those 6 pedals in amped plugins are based on really?
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
They are mostly custom designs that can pull off a variety of pedal sounds. 😊
@DennisTrovato3 ай бұрын
I'd love those new IRs as expension packs for MIKKO2.
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
SO many requests for this already!!
@_fifeusz3 ай бұрын
The whining comments are hilarious. Nobody points a gun to your head, you don't have to buy these IRs. Honestly, it's way better to have more IRs to choose from than have 59th variation of a 5150 from another manufacturer (no offense to 5150 of course) which does the same 5150 thing as any other
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
It's like going inside a restaurant to scream "I'M NOT HUNGRY AND EVEN IF I WAS I WOULD NOT EAT HERE!!". The internet is a fun place. 😂😂😂
@ayeapprove3 ай бұрын
Can you showcase the Zilla cabinet maybe? Is it ported?
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
You can likely see it in the background in some videos - it's the pink Zilla cab that looks like a big 2x12 although it's not.
@rux_993 ай бұрын
i just installed amped roots and its TANKING my cpu. on an empty project just adding the plugin makes it go 0-100. i have a good pc and no other plugin comes close to that problem. any way i can fix it?
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Hey - be sure to get the latest version of Roots just to be sure. It might be a compatibility issue that can be fixed so please contact support@ml-sound-lab.com for more help.
@TheDjfranco1003 ай бұрын
Great addition of the Divinity to the arsenal, I'm waiting for the Demon (yes, pun intended)
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Had an awful lot of requests for it over the years, we're stoked to be able to make it a reality! -Kai
@Bjornsguitarspecials3 ай бұрын
this is awesome Mikko!
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!! -Mikko 🙂
@pauliusmscichauskas5583 ай бұрын
Why is having a frequency dip labeled a problem? If it sounds good, it is good.
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
It's not the dip itself but something is causing that dip which is not a part of the speaker - most likely a phase issue of some sort. So it's similar to saying you're not having any "problem" when your sub and speakers are out of phase with each other. But when you get them in phase it makes a world of difference. I talked with Nolly about this quite some time ago and his theory was that it's a problem caused by the back of the cabinet reflecting sound waves back inside the cab to the front. IIRC for this reason he prefers miking up slanted top speakers to minimize this effect. It's definitely a real thing. ❤
@louisburley15973 ай бұрын
Once you get into mixing it might make more sense.
@pauliusmscichauskas5583 ай бұрын
@@louisburley1597 The out of phase bass example was sufficient. Still, I never heard of anyone speak of this as a problem. Ever. With millions of recordings of real cabs done, that did not prevent anyone from sounding great... Still, if it can be done better, then sure, let's see.
@guitars.nmetal3 ай бұрын
Thats because the irs and miced up recordings are usually heavily eq:d in a mix. That being said you can get a good result from a regular ir if you dial in the amp right. But these are propably more mix ready.
@6oundStudio3 ай бұрын
for what plugin did you do a DV77 btw? can't figure it out. Omega is certainly not it, because guys from Omega commented that the prototype of DV77 was created at the same time as the plugin and there was no way to get it in time to use in Omega plugin or something like that
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
I was referring to the Neural DSP Omega plugin for which I did the cabinet section. That Omega cabinet clearly had two different prototype speakers in it with no names on them and it was a bit unclear what they were and there was some mystery behind it too because it was confidential information at the time. I'm not 100% sure if what I had was the final product but they released two speakers right after VM12-65 & DV-77. It's been years now so my memory is a bit fuzzy.
@6oundStudio3 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlab according to Omega comment the speakers in their plugin are based on the VM12-65 that they had produced. and the MS-60 in the plugin was a prototype that they never released.
@dfgvjnkjdsnbkjsbdvjkhdsb3 ай бұрын
great! but how to make it stereo in Reaper? i make dub track L+R (2 tracks) under 1 bus folder. and want 1 Amped plugin on that folder. but it sounds only mono. what to do?
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Amped plugins can only accept a mono input signal, they aren't designed to be placed on a stereo channel. -Kai
@dfgvjnkjdsnbkjsbdvjkhdsb3 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlab noooooooo! why?
@nicopoppe48383 ай бұрын
Theres a YA dv77 ir pack... im feeling tempted... could you release a demo of a sm 57 cap edge position? Sadly I haven't used your irs in a while cos im getting better results with the concurrent... maybe you'll win me again. 😊
@steviesedge3 ай бұрын
Hi Mikko, Are these able to be used in Fractal audio products? Thanks
@Guitarest173 ай бұрын
You should be able to load them in like any other 3rd party IR. Make sure to select the right bit rate and sample size but if I remember correctly I think there is a fractal specific folder in the other ML packs I’ve bought.
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Just like Guitarest17 said there's a Fractal specific folder inside but even the main format is Fractal compatible. I believe you can simply drag-n-drop .wav IRs into the Axe-Edit these days.
@steviesedge3 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlab thanks both
@EpicJamTracks3 ай бұрын
This is really helpful, thanks!
@cechichan3 ай бұрын
Hey mate !! what audio interface do you have to play guitar and the plugins ? thank you !
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Honestly I use a few that are "just normal" so I have the same experience as most users. SSL, Focusrite, UA.. mostly the SSL 2+. 😊
@cechichan3 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlab Thank you really appreciate it !!
@OldTomato443 ай бұрын
I'm not interested unless the Mega Djent ca-- oh, it is. Well then, take my money!
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Hahahhahaha 😂 I know you guys well enough!!
@Banoffeeee3 ай бұрын
this is great will there be more of other type of model coming? Like something in Dumble realm or Vox
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Oh yes - this is just the start of the Reflex line. We're hoping to add all sorts of different speaker types from the collection into this product line! -Kai
@Banoffeeee3 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlab you are the besttt!! cant wait for more updates...I would love to buy all reflex bundle but at this point Im waiting for a cab in some Dumble/fender ish and Vox tone...Keep up the good work :)
@DerSilvano3 ай бұрын
Those problems are not problems. They are characteristics
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
I mean kind of yes and that has always been a part of guitar cabs BUT the best guitar cabs have less of these things so I think that's where you could say they are problem areas. 😮
@DerSilvano3 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlab yeah definitely
@PaulEubanks3 ай бұрын
Right. Bad characteristics, i.e. problems.
@louderthangod3 ай бұрын
Just because there’s a dip doesn’t mean it’s a problem. Guitars sound different from a saxophone or kazoo because unique harmonic pattern. Good vs bad is about how you use it musically and mostly a matter of taste. Totally flat response is not going to be universally better and will often sound much worse just like perfectly tuned vocals and quantized drums often sound lifeless and dull. Embrace the idiosyncrasies of our gear and work to find complimentary combinations not only with your gear but the full band and I think you’ll be happier with the end result and the process.
@masterofreality2303 ай бұрын
Yea, makes me wonder why there was no comparison to other IRs.
@Hzuuuu3 ай бұрын
You're missing the point. It doesn't mean much to a guitar player because it's made to be mix ready. It will sound boring to you when playing or jamming with them. These IRs are essentially a pre-mixed IR that you can drop into a full band mix without having to deal with all the hassles of doing tons of post EQs and corrections just for it to stay in the mix. As a player, you will not like this. Your mixing engineers and producers however will appreciate this. But we've been doing this manually by hand for decades so I don't see the need to spend $20 for each of these either.
@louderthangod3 ай бұрын
@@Hzuuuu One of the key features was more low end in these IR’s, that sounds like the opposite of “pre-mixed”. The sounds I dial in when jamming at home have more low end but for tracking I take out a lot of the deep bass which will just make mixing the bass harder with the overlap. Pre-mixed would be cleaned up at the low end and more detail midrange to help the guitar sit better in a full band mix. Also, it’s the idiosyncrasies of the guitar, amp, cab and mic that we love so much. Making everything flat response would remove that. A perfectly flat is not what it’s cracked up to be. Run some of your favorite sounding songs of all time through a spectrum analyzer, they won’t be flat. Getting a great balance doesn’t mean flat. Our ears don’t even hear frequencies equally at different frequencies. We are very sensitive to 3k so if you dialed that in to be flat with say 40hz the 3k will appear louder to us.
@louisburley15973 ай бұрын
Kinda sad to see a lot of mean comments. I’m stoked for these because it means less EQ needs to be used in a full mix
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
That's really the goal here. We don't post-EQ our guitars on our demos, but this should help those that instantly reach for a notched EQ to hit those problem areas that are inherent to a 4x12. -Kai
@louisburley15973 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlab *insert Glen Fricker comment here about guitar players*
@gonzalomartinezdevelasco70773 ай бұрын
Excuse me but I haven't found any info, do they include different mics and mixes like the old IRs packs?
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
They do - it's a very familiar pack layout. 5 brightnesses for each mic, as well as the multi-mic mix files for more balanced-sounding IRs. Also all the usual formats for different modellers/IR loaders! -Kai
@Futility19123 ай бұрын
Ok Mikko, I know you’ve done the capture process for these new speakers so that they work in MIKKO 2. Please take my money!!!
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂 If there is demand then why not?
@franzmaurer71083 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlab Mikko, are these new IRs included in Mikko2 ?
@YsAbTones3 ай бұрын
Please consider selling mikko 2 cabs separatly (not as a bundle), would love to grab the mikko 1 mega original but you dont sell it anynmore on you website
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
No plans to split the MIKKO2 plugin into separate packs at this time, we appreciate you asking about it though 🙏 -Kai
@YsAbTones3 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlab reaaly ? come on ! at least you could still sell the mikko one version ?
@SlyDeath3 ай бұрын
Demo IR will be great for test
@Comenterable3 ай бұрын
do these work with mikko 1?
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Right now this is a .wav IR pack format. Based on how things go and demand... we need to make a MIKKO Reflex thingy. That's the official name!! 😂
@darwinsaye3 ай бұрын
Based on the title, clicked on the video expecting a video about cabs. No cabs.
@cmd_f53 ай бұрын
Great stuff \M/
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Thank you! 🙏 -Kai
@Francisco17Berrios3 ай бұрын
Do a Randall Jaguar speaker pack pleaseeeee 😭😭 🙏🙏🙏 no one in the game has done it (except for Amplitube which as everyone knows their cabinets suck)
@gonzalomartinezdevelasco70773 ай бұрын
Actually, there are two. Seacow cabs and ChopTones. Don't waste your money. I did.
@pjmtry73 ай бұрын
Killer!
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Call the cooooops!!
@KreativeDevices3 ай бұрын
🔥
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
FIREEE!!
@atech90203 ай бұрын
I'm not sold... Here's why. This is an IR only option that is supposedly of an actual speaker in a cabinet, from what is said. So why are the cabinets not available for sale? This sounds like an answer looking for a problem. I feel that a larger averaging algorithm could even out, and widen the response, with results just like this. Let me explain. When I am doing system measurements with an FFT system, often times, there can be so much variation in the frequency response that you can't humanly extrapolate the good, from the bad data. One way to minimize the " noise ", is to use a larger averaging setting, and reduce the number of bands that it measures from. This will create a smoother, more human digestible reading, which can be more easily understood and make a decision about. In this case, you have a frequency response that shows the " speaker impulse " more closely resembling the averaging slope used for Pink Noise. I.E. it falls pretty smoothly, and evenly from about 50hz up to 12khz. I find it hard to believe that the cabinet suddenly removes -6db from just the mid band, adds more bass in the low band, and doesn't touch the highs... Also keep in mind that since each speaker is different, the tuning of the cabinet must therefore also be different for each speaker, to achieve the same results. So, in this case, there is a 1 of 1 speaker cabinet that is only good for ML Sound Labs to utilize for its special impulse responses. I don't see the need to spend thousands of dollars for a special cabinet that is only good for 1 speaker. I am quite certain that a different algorithm can be done that achieves the same thing. Does this IR do a thing? Sure, it does. Was it actually created the way it is said it was? Maybe, but why would it need to be. I just don't see the problem I guess? We have been mic'ing cabs since the 50's at least, and I find it hard to believe that it took 70 years for the problem to only just come to this solution. There isn't a problem, only a solution that needs a problem to exist.
@moonlight-reveals3 ай бұрын
Didn't get why the mid range peaks and dips are called a "problem". It's not a problem, it's a character, that represents character of different cabs. Same as you have different frequency response from different guitars and amps. With the same success the most non-problematic tone will be an eq with hi- and low- pass, or a pure hifi speaker. But it would sound nothing like a good guitar tone. IMO this pack is solving a non-existing issue.
@acrylicrecording3 ай бұрын
This only makes sense if guitar speakers were designed to be super linear… which they’re not. They’re all just character differences
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
It's not turning them into a perfectly flat signal - we're officially saying "fuller range, flatter response". It's smoothing out some of the humps and dips with traditional guitar cabinets, making it easier to slot into a mix. -Kai
@PaulEubanks3 ай бұрын
Shut up and take my money!
@sev62213 ай бұрын
American Woshingo
@katbert1003 ай бұрын
Shut up and take my money 😅
@josearjona37283 ай бұрын
So there´s a "problem" with cabinets and you sell the cure for that.
@ayeapprove3 ай бұрын
I don't know if it's a problem, but I'd call them mixready and that's the point I guess
@ayeapprove3 ай бұрын
I don't know if it's a problem, but I'd call them mixready and that's the point I guess
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
Inherently, 4x12 cabinets are imperfect by design. Some people (including us) love them despite their imperfections, but we're challenging this with the Reflex cab design. Producers will often reach for a notch-style EQ to push these EQ curves into a flatter response, but our mantra has always been to get the guitar tones right at the source. This is a real cabinet that sounds balanced and smooth with no post-processing. -Kai
@stevegardiner84733 ай бұрын
I haven't tried these Reflex IR's yet, but i do own some ML packs. What high and low cuts (general ballpark) would you recommend for high volume live use with your IR's?
@mlsoundlab3 ай бұрын
We would normally say not to do high and low cuts. If the FOH technician needs it, they'll add it. That said, 80Hz low cut and 10kHz high cut shouldn't harm anything if you feel the need for it. -Kai
@stevegardiner84733 ай бұрын
@@mlsoundlab Thanks. I asked because I use a FRFR setup on stage, so of course, I'd have to apply any cuts for the outputs that feed that myself. I'd been using 80Hz and 8k, but I'll try it at 10k also 👍
@DabooksofEli3 ай бұрын
You always manage to catch me on pay day somehow 🤌🏽🤌🏽