Well. But they worked well until they had the first war. And I don't wanna know, how many crewmember died during the Romulan war, we never saw on TV.

I would think Commander Tucker had a hand in hooding her together.

Just how I like it

Fusion Gaming and the first NCC-1701

Just as Voyager, with it's respective situation. Non military vessel, facing several advanced space faring civilizations like Borg, Hirogen and Undine.

Damn cold green blooded...

I'd like to add to this that it was archers choice to pilot the xindi ship himself, technically he was absent from his station at the time of the attack. This would make it his fault.

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@@oddsolostrike wot?

@@veratisu it’s spelled “what”

Meoknet I would say she had -1 deaths / assimilations, since she resuced 7 of 9 from the borg.

@@loganiushere There is also Icheb and the 3 other borg children they rescued. Then there is the time her, Tuvok and B'Elanna were partly assimilated for a mission, but there were "de-borgified" by the end of the episode.

Did Tuvix count as a death? Janeway should have used the caretaker to get home on day one. She should have agreed to "mate" with Q to get her crew home. Many botched opportunities.

It was all luck, or help from someone else. Not really her. Like I'd you just remove one of the species that saved their ass the entries crew is dead

Only if we ignore how much of her crew died in the premiere, which was around half. Being replaced by Maquis is not the same as not losing them in the first place.

It's kinda weird they didn't send more ships tbh. Like yeah, Columbia isn't ready yet and Enterprise is the only NX-class, but surely they could have sent the Intrepid in as well.

@@CommanderWolf888 I think most of the rest of the fleet was too slow to make a difference.

olddirtymongrrel does Harry Kim count? Technically he was immediately replaced but does that negate the dying in the first place?

Archer the worst captain Janeway the 3rdand I am even county faux Christopher pike and faux Kirk

Andrew Phillips archer never hsd the resources the other captains did, or the technology and no one truly knew what was out there as much as the later captains. Under the circumstances, he did better than any of the other captains because he had less and pulled it off

Janeway was a moron who should have gotten her crew killed every episode if not for magical luck.

@@drsch I blame Federation's space hippy mentality on that.

Meanwhile, Kirk's Enterprise penetrated the barrier around the Milky Way and battled not one, but two would-be colonist species from Andromeda. Picard's Enterprise also paid a brief visit to the delta quadrant on invitation from Q. Voyager had one assignment: Bring up a pirate ship and return its crew to a Federation prison. As usual there were complications, but to be fair, Janeway did successfully complete her assignment. After seven years. Also, you forget about the Equinox.

Well Janeway had the unusual fortunate of constantly running into other races that happens to use same type of fuel, same specification of torpedoes, shipwrights that could repair fed ships without Janeway giving them classified blueprints and all for nothing since they don't have money. I say sisko had it worse. He had to deal with a well organized and experienced enemy who held an numerical and technological advantage. All sisko had was Starsfleets only warships backed by a hand full of Galaxy classes and a bunch of Miranda class coffin ships

You apparently haven't watched DS9

Sisko handleling a war is much better

Also Janeway couldn't go back to starfleet to refresh the ship with new crew members. If she loss anyone it was double the work on the other crew members.

You know she lost like half her crew in the pilot episode alone, right?

@@MrGreensweightHist well, after that she would go through hell and back to get a redshirt back

Unless youre a merging of two of her crewmen then she will murder you for lols

She wasn't loling when she ordered the separation of Tuvix. She was very very serious.

I have to overcome a lot of difficulties for my survival and that of my family. Captain Janeway is my fictional guiding light. She did everything she could to bring the crew home.

Don't forget he had a kid.

Yes!! This is what I'm saying. He had the most lives under his responsibility on top of having to deal with the dominion war. I'd want to have him as captain

And let us not forget, Sisko cooked for his senior staff. Not lame ass eggs and waffles like Nu Pike, but Gumbo and other New Orleans fare, with his own hands.

If you want to win a war, Sisko is the man.

And as bad as some people think of Janeway, she "only" averaged around 6 deaths per year, compared to Kirk's average of 18. I'd rather be a red(gold) shirt under Janeway, than a redshirt under Kirk.

Janeway did her best with the situation she was under and it wasn't like she had much guidance or support to reply upon. She was a damn good leader, all things considered.

+Allison Walker I always like Janeway, especially when 7of9 arrived - I guess those 2 hated each other off-screen, but I thought they had good interaction on screen-and added some nice depth to Janeway

she could of had a much lower casualty if she focused on getting home instead of poking each new thing they encountered with a proverbial stick.

lol

And we all know, as soon as the captain greets you on the hallway, there is almost certain death waiting.

The grim reaper is william shatner in a yellow shirt

Sisko read the casualty reports daily from ALL the ships in the fleet during the Dominion war. He'd always would end up recognizing a name. Couldn't be helped when some engagement ended up with only 12 ships out of a 114 returning home.

Are you kidding? In every other show Kirk would ask the crewman his/her name. Ah, a redshirt, well there's no reason for knowing your name. You're going to die in the next act. See ya, glad I didn't pick up a coffee for ya

Sisko killed or covered up a murder/assasination of, a Romulan official so that he doesn't have to receive any more casualty lists... Litterally sacreficed his soul to save the quandrant... I think he wins on that one as well...

Yes!!!!, this surprise me too

It was mostly the Bajorans you see dying and the various war scenes. And since Bajor was not part of the Federation at the time, the various Bajorans who die on screen don't count towards the Starfleet crew death tally

Deep Space 9 is actually the most lethal place. If you are Bajoran guards you will be fighting against all known army in the Galaxy. You can also get killed by Drunk Klingons. Hired by Garak and get killed by him later. Travel at the wrong time and get sniped by Jemhadar. You are constant at frontline between Dominion, Klingon and Cardassian.

@@seanwhitman8353 However, the Bajoran crew worked under Sisko whilst he was in command of DS9, even if they weren't Starfleet/Federation personnel.

You may be confusing "dark" and "death". They don't necessarily go together. And was it truly dark, or just more complicated because you couldn't just leave a problem or people behind each week like TNG?

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Makes Sisko's stats even better.

Dash Agreed!

picard wasnt a combat captain. Sisko seemed to be second in command under Fed force under Ross during the war

agreed i'd want to sever under picard as well. that being said I'd take admiral janeway once she's back in the alpha quadrant.

Picard motivates me. Enough said.

I like both Kirk and Picard for different reasons of course. Would gladly be under either.

Let's not forget that compared to ships he ran into, Archer's ship was almost always out gunned in every way. Often, laughably so.

That’s so damn true. All the captains that came after had a play book and previous missions to look to and backup as well. Johnathan had absolutely none of em

I'd argue Kirk's era was just as hostile, though the NCC-1701 had better technology.

While there was growing conflict with the Klingons during Kirk's era, I would not agree with that statement.

@@jerobriggs6861 The Romulan Incursion, the Enterprise Incident, the Doomsday Machine, Nomad, the _multiple_ Klingon attacks on the Enterprise and various neutral planets, the multiple times various planets in the galaxy was threatened with total destruction... TOS had a savage galaxy.

I'm needing to proclaim, make known, that how can anyone give on up on the Voyager crew like that for I've never ever thought about that there are still so many people here that are still so very negative everything negative opposite against everything to do with the Voyager crew and Captain Janeway!? … For 🙏🏻 Captain Janeway is still my favorite on in Star Trek Voyager yet since I've seen so much of it all in my past life freely on TV analog 1990dys! Jesus Christ 🙏🏻🤔ℹ️

I came for this comment, and I was not disappointed.

If she was a real captain she could get her crew back in one hour or less no excuses. All the other captains got there crew stuck in different parts of space with no federation help and they got back one way or the other. Even Archer .

also did hey count the origenal incidint that got them in the delta kwadrant a lot of crew died in that

Under normal circumstances, Janeway would have got her crew home in a flash as well, but the series premise demanded Voyager get stranded in the Delta quadrant, so it isn't fair to pick on Janeway. Let's please put that into perspective.

A Real captain would have found a way to trick Q into getting them back into human space without the bother of a 7 year mission to get back home

Are you people dense? If Voyager got back home that quickly, then there wouldn't be a show.

European naval vessels in the 15th and 16th century could frequently return home with significantly less crew members than they left port with as well. Relatively primitive technology for the task at hand and still limited understanding how to keep people alive in the unique conditions presented is always dangerous.

Though flipside, Voyager had zero outside support and made it with less.

Voyager was a vastly higher technology ship though. Archer holds the distinction of being captain of the Human flagship during Earth's first interstellar war. With often the lowest tech ship in the fight, with no back up and against an opponent who's strength and motivation were entirely unknown. If the face of that bringing both the ship and two thirds of the crew back should be regarded as a huge achievement even within the Star Trek universe where Starfleet captains are apparently expected to end entire wars by themselves.

fix0the0spade Indeed. Also, Voyager was in a completely different situation. Enterprise was sent into an area of space that was being changed by aliens into something that was not only unstable for life as we know it, it was unsuitable for MATTER as we know it. And those aliens weren't even the aliens who were the supposed enemy. Those aliens were, as far as they knew, were out to cause their extinction, supported by people from the future. It's amazing Enterprise wasn't just vaporized.

+Eric Taylor Probably would have been but as we all know there is no armour like plot armour.

🙏🏻 Captain Janeway is my favorite on in Star Trek Voyager 🙏🏻❤️

Agreed indeed 100%! 🤔ℹ️

Everyone pisses sisko off, he is a loose cannon.

@@CarolineIronwill Which means that if anyone under Sisko's command were to ever need Q's help in order to survive, he would definitely not come to the rescue for any vessel commanded by Sisko.

@@BioGoji-zm5ph Maybe, but Sisko (and by extension those around him) were protected by literal gods (maybe not quite as 'hands on' as Q, but certainly less of a butt).

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Like Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott?

@Ashton Wu And Uhura. She also wore red and lived.

Just don't wear a red shirt and you'll be fine under kirk any color other than red makes you invincible. Red turns you into a laser magnet.

@@BioGoji-zm5ph She also wore a (damn hot) red skirt. I guess that helped.

Except she did have the godly power of the reset button at the end of the episode ,just like most trek tv shows DS9 being the exception .Id go with Sisco at the end of the day he would do any thing to save his people even selling his own ideals for a better out come.

Ill stay on earth, but not in San Francisco as it is often target to alien probes and stuff.

Janeway was a moron who made one bad choice after another and the writers had to use magical luck to get her out of her fuck ups.

@drschplatt Wtf? Did you just say that a fictional character was responsible for their own mistakes, but her resilience was entirely due to the writers? lol...

And she uses cheat codes. Only 38 torpedoes? Computer, IDKFA!

So was Janeway

His ship also had the best firepower not including the Defiant. When you're armed to the teeth as well, it's easier to avoid a fight, the other side backs down

michrze as a percentage science officers were more at risk, just there were way more red than blue.

Wasn't Yellow Shirt the highest death per capita?

I smell another video. If you isolate the casualty figures to the broad sense of "red shirt" (i.e. crew members with no name and/or die in the very first episode they appear) I wonder how the numbers change. A fair number of Kirk's red shirts actually survived their first mission in the first season. Archer would probably do fairly well. The writers took pains to introduce us to as many Makos as possible and the producers made sure to use them as extras walking the halls before, during and after the ground battle scenes. It would also be interesting to cross-reference that with transporter "suicides". The device works by destroying the original and creating a copy at a target location after all. For simplicity's sake, I'd only count each character once.

@Grizabeebles : Good question. Someone once wrote an article for TV Guide (little pulp rag in the day, not the glossy brown-snot-rag it's become of late) entitled, iirc, "The Glob's First Slurp." He describes it thus, and I paraphrase: "Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and somebody we've never seen before in a red shirt materialize on a planet. Kirk says, "Split up!" and the camera inexplicably follows the red shirt individual. Suddenly, there's a noise from behind a rock -- and that feeling you have in the pit of your stomach is that THIS PERSON IS GONNA BE THE GLOB'S FIRST SLURP!" (c.1975? 77?) I think it was James Blish who first explored the "Suicide By Transporter" theme in professionally published print in his Star Trek novel, "Spock Must Die", the first of all the original non-canon Trek books. He had McCoy explain it in Leonard's unmistakable character, but the scientific aspects vs. the spiritual implications were briefly explored. (It explained why McCoy doesn't like the transporter technology, while expositing the theoretical physics of the transporter accident to come -- oops, spoiler alert, if you haven't read it yet.) (c.1971? 72?)

Well, to be all fair, many of redshirts died to their own glaring incompetence.

Yack.....I'd be bored to death listening to Neelix, Tuvok and Kim.

Yes All Lives Matter, but in Janeway's time you'd have to say gold shirts lives matter.

if only to see seven of nine running around in that skin-tight bodysuit. I could put up with a lot of things just for a daily dose of that.

In the Pale Moonlight reference... Good one.

If you didn't mind dying by the thousands in fleets he controlled...

I agree. Not to mention he had a kid to deal with.

@@drsch dude the Dominion outclassed the federation in nearly every way. Star fleet literally ONLY won because of the tactics and actions taken by Sisko.

You're probably thinking of another definition of "serving under" Kirk then ;).

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never forget

I guess that means Janeway is the most lethal to her own crew, I don't think any of the others literally murdered a member of their crew.

Mork_of_Ork2001 or you're one of the captain's babies that gets left on a planet to defend for yourself, despite the fish versions of Janeway and Paris clearly caring for you.

Except that she didn't murder a member of her crew though. She sacrificed someone who should never have existed in the first place to AVOID murdering two members of her crew. Tuvix was never on the crew roster, Tuvok and Neelix were.

Joshua Hillerup We don't know one way or the other what happened to the salamander babies. They could be sitting in a fish tank somewhere for all we know.

Even the Q was afraid of Picard.

@@VIEW8472 more like amazed

While I would want to serve under Picard, I would feel a lot more safe under Janeway or Sisko. While Picard does care about his crew, he wouldn't try to rewrite history to make sure everyone got home like Janeway would.

And then in the Finale, they get tech from the future

Eric Taylor they only had 150 crew

She lost 24 shuttles too iirc during the run of the series. True story look it up. She was not conservative with much of anything.

I realized that. I believe a ship the size of Voyage had AT MOST two shuttles. Voyager was a tiny ship that was NOT designed for general exploration. It was a war ship, more akin to a Corvette. It was made to zip in, attack, then zip out with enough speed to escape.

+Eric Taylor What? The Intrepid-class was designed for a long-term deep space exploration missions.

It was?

Thought provoking... and those diesel powered subs were powered by extremely bulky expansive banks of plain old lead acid batteries when running undersea.

I'll take the space hotel.even if they only listen to music from the 1800s

*if that submarine was thrown to Mars.

Sisko is the Chosen of the Prophets. To serve with him is to walk with destiny. Maybe you die, but you will live a life of consequence.

But he might risk your life on flying a disabled ship just so he can track down the Maquis target of his obsession before anyone else, and make you complicit in an act of criminal terrorism and ecological destruction in the process. (Mind you, Kirk might utterly destroy a peaceful alien civilization because he calls it stagnant, Picard might become a ponce that gives arrogant speeches about the Prime Directive while letting whole planets die because he's a coward, Janeway might lose her dang mind in the last three years of your journey, and Archer might make you die laughing when he tries to be 'tough' and 'edgy,' so there are certianly pitfalls to serving under any captain.) ;-)

I'd serve under Sisko aka Hawk. Solid, lol

MrAirbender32 Picard wasn't intimidated by Sisko. Sisko was emotional cry baby in someway so was Archer. But I'd prefer Archer any day.

Take a good look at Picard during the DS9 premier. When he gave Sisko his orders and Sisko told him he had served on the Saratoga during the Wolf 359 incident. His demeanor went from inviting to uncomfortable, to stand off-ish. Yes he was intimidated by Sisko, but eventually he got his bearings back. However it was too late, he had lost ground in the encounter and had to resort to using his rank to secure his position. Ergo, he was intimidated.

Yeah, i agre,e although I could do without the 'Year of Hell'...

Technically, the 'Year of Hell' never happened. Yay for time paradoxes.

Yes. When you survived the pilot with her, you were quite save :D especially when you were a former borg, child or bridge crew member. I mean, she lost the least number of bridge crew...

I also to would go with Janeway, If i wanted the most Dumb captain in the federation.

Yep, Janeway.

Well its takes awhile but The Doctor gets a pretty good bedside manner too, just have to get over the poor intial design.

Doesn't help when he needs to defend your life. And then your captain still orders you to die to respawn 2 former lost crewmembers. Poor Tuvix, he could have been the breakout character Neelix was supposed to be instead they brought back star treks Yar Yar Binks...

Scotty was the toughest character in Star Trek. He wore a red shirt on Kirk's Enterprise for 3 full years and survived!

Sisko fought in a war where fleets of 112 were coming back with 14 ships and still had a better ratio than either of them.

Tuvok:"Captain: the replicator has lost the recipe for coffee." Janeway: "Computer: initiate the self destruct sequence. Authorization Janeway pi 110."

II'd love to see more analysis. The Captains were under massively differing circumstances and technologies. It seems to be Voyager, out on it's own so far away from the Federation ha the most dangerous situation, making Janeways record more impressive. Kirk also appeared to live in a more hostile era then Picard and Archer never traveled close to the distances the others did from earth.

Me too, there's something about a captain that's willing to murder to protect his team that really makes you know this guy is the right man for the quadrant.

Enter Name Here did not listen to the guidelines: deaths must be confirmed and the movies do not count.

True, but the point stands. There are a ton of deaths for all of these Captains that clearly happen, but are not individually shown on screen. Sisko probably had the most due to the wartime aspect of it, but there is no real way to avoid that.

Archer isn't even a real capten . the only way that star trek makes sence is if it is a holodeck simulation .

What doesn't make sense about it?

Actually his crew wasn't killed after abandoning ship. They all survived the escape due to the Dominion wanting the survivors run back home and spread fear. Still out of all the captains, Sisko is the only one in a TV series to lose a ship. Picard lost only the ones in the films. This friends, should be noted.

Actually the other captain lost his crew when he transported them planetside and then lost the power to the transporters. He had a 100% death rate.

I think these might be 2 different insane friends of kirk

Do you remember which episode you are talking about?

Nope I don't think so

Johnny boy, Johnny boy! We're bound for stormy weather! Johnny boy, Johnny boy, better wish your lads farewell. Somewhere out, far away, we're sailing on together. Oh Johnny my, we are leaving tonight. Johnny say good-bye.

Fun=dangerous

@@davidwuhrer6704 What?

It's a song.

Just the thought of using Q to stay alive makes my skin crawl lol

Nameless Ghost Ed is a great Captain actually.

@@Haloangel204 Agree

Who???

Yes, TNG also showed that he is a rebellious old coot who is willing to break protocol for the dumbest reasons imaginable. In fact, here's a breakdown of what I saw, episode by episode: Picard is seriously willing to let non-Federation aliens murder one of his officers just because they were upset that he kicked over a potted plant. ("Justice", S1, E8) Picard lets his officers violate the Prime Directive by bringing a primitive life form aboard the Enterprise, unwittingly causing a religion to form around himself. When the situation predictably deteriorates, he ignores the counsel of the presiding anthropologist and violates the Prime Directive further by *_bringing another one aboard_* and openly demonstrating the Federation's technological superiority to bronze-age primitives. ("Who Watches The Watchers", S3, E4) Picard let Cardassia break it's treaty with the Federation and build illegal military bases in the Cuellar system, thus endangering millions by opening up the possibility of another Setlik III massacre. ("The Wounded", S4 E12) Picard _directly and intentionally violated the Prime Directive_ by willfully inserting one of his must trusted officers into a non-Federation court as a judge, and himself into the same court as a plaintiff, in an arbitration case that did not involve a Federation citizen or planet. ("Devil's Due" S4, E13) Picard is willing to sacrifice the lives of _thousands_ of Federation citizens in order to open a diplomatic dialogue with a monsterous creature that eats the populations of entire planets, placing the needs of the few _above_ the needs of the many. ("Silicon Avatar", S5 EP4) Picard turns a blind eye while his First Officer willfully violates the Prime Directive by attempting to interfere with a non-Federation planet's legal decision regarding one of their own citizens, and further attempts to stage a jailbreak for the accused. ("The Outcast", S5, E17) Picard encounters "Hugh" - a human who was kidnapped as a child by the Borg and 'assimilated' as one of their enslaved drones. After freeing him from the Borg, Picard _sends him back to his kidnappers_ and refuses to deploy a weapon that would destroy the Borg species - an action that later on cost thousands of Federation lives and caused several entire species to go extinct. ("I, Borg", S5, E23) Picard consistently runs his ship at far below battle readiness, and his First Officer is a disrespectful and impetuous fool with almost no discipline. ("Chain of Command" S6, E10 and 11) Picard is reprimanded by an Admiral for refusing to deploy the anti-Borg weapon before, and is given *direct order* to destroy the Borg the next time he encounters them. He just ignores the order entirely. ("Descent", S6, E26 and S7, E1) Picard disobeyed direct orders from a superior and compromised Federation security by _deliberately_ giving classified intelligence to active belligerents. ("The Pegasus", S7 E12) This is just what came to mind: I'm certain I could find more examples if I cared. In TOS, this man would have faced a Court Martial and Dishonorably Discharged. It's enough to make a man want to jump into an active plasma conduit.

Well he's certainly not the most intelligent or even the second most but yeah he's compassionate I guess.

Under the command of a fleet commander IS under direct command. Additionally, Sisko was completely in control of himself and coherent, Picard as Locutus was compelled by the Borg hive mind despite being assimilated due to his distinct individuality.

Yup i agree. I was gonna comment this too. Sisko was put in Command of the Fleet. He was basically a fleet admiral, without the rank. Millions died on the Federation side.

*icwiz* That rank would be Commodore. I don't know why they didn't make it official.

Millions died, but it was wartime and he also had an unknown "crew", as every person on every ship would count towards him. Difficult to figure out ratios.

Dude, that was war.... a lot of people die during war.

Resisting her space spandexed boobage is futile.

I agree! Voyager is the best one! Janeway!

I'd say count everybody whos death is confirmed on screen. Be it by direct gruesome visuals, incoming damage reports, or lists of losses on computer screens. I remember a particular scene in Voyager where Janeway goes through all the lost personnel during the mission up to that point.

I mean, you're forgetting the most fascinating and attractive being in the quadrant, Morn.

Facts. The DS9 crew seen far cooler.

🙏🏻 Captain Janeway is my favorite on in Star Trek Voyager ❤️🙏🏻 Agreed indeed 100% all the way! 😘

Me to 🥺 me too indeed!

@@Dan-ke2om - when she rammed the timeship (Seventies dad) and hissed, "time's up!" I was hers for life.

kamenwaticlients I think it's somewhat safer on a space station than a ship.

Chuck Jones You say that but forget the station guarded the Bejoran wormhole, for a time the most hotly contested point in space in the Alpha quadrant.

Doncroft1, right, and DS9 was a pretty remote location. That, plus the fact that the station was pretty underpowered until they got the Defiant.

I don't consider someone who allowed their brain to be warped by a demonstrably false religion great.

Chris P Yeah the Prophets aren't real and don't know the future nor care about Bejor, preach it!:P

Shut up and marry me! Both of you!

Just the actual crew? Does the civilians count? And of the 1000 people under picard were lot's of families and civilians like bartenders, barbers, etc.

The author of the video used the bare minimum for the stats since it's the only reliable number since the crew size likely fluctuated between seasons due to war. The video doesn't mention how many people were on the DS9 station as far as civilians go either. We know that it's several thousand.

clearspira Archer had the safest ship. Janeway, the second safest.

YOU SHOULD EAT HARRY :P

"an SFDebris fan"?

lol

Yeah archer was crazy

Wait, hold up, Archer was not reckless? The same guy who nearly killed his crew in ''Silent Enemy'' because he set off early from spacedock without all of his weapons fitted was not reckless?

agreed on most points. How did Sisko have more combat experience than the other captains though? From what I know before the cardassian/dominion war he served during the battle of wolf 359, but thats about it? Picard earned his first command due to his performance at a battle situation and was given fleet commands due to his experience on multiple occasions. Kirk served during the federation-klingon wars and took part in the battle of Axanar. Janeway served and commanded during the cardassian wars, like most of the star fleet personnel during that time, before being given command of the voyager. Basically archer was the only one not having seen any war before the start of their respective series

TheVergile, I should be more specific, Sisko wears his combat experience much more on his sleeve and was also much less willing to let it go. More than anything Sisko's experience was the most refined and fresh. He has barely had any time to settle. Only a few months after Wolf 359 he is assigned to a the equivalent of the Korean DMZ. Janeway also did not have much war experience as her was one of just getting home. Hers was about survival and getting home not negotiating hostile forces and deliberately stubborn alien govts while fighting against a truly devious and ruthless foe. I agree on Archer completely. I deem a lack of experience more a prescient than recklessness (Per Clearpira's concern). the NX-01 was deployed by command before it was completely ready. That was NOT Archer's say so. It is also an old saw that Starfleet will deploy the hero ship into a dangerous situation before it is even nominally ready. Picard fell back to become a peacetime Captain. He has had the hardest time actually coping with hard combat and having command of a ship that might as well be made of glass and tin foil does not help. Diplomacy only works if the other side is willing to talk. So eventually Picard get a battleship, and is still bad at combat too quick to fall back on emotion under duress. Kirk was too much a cowboy and relied on the rest of the crew to pull him and ship out of the fire he so recklessly steered it into. It is true, Kirk is literally responsible for 90% or the travails that befell the Enterprise. Really it boils down to ones record and the fact Sisko has the most difficult, complicated, and unbroken recorded, the least and shortest periods of peace time,of any of the captains. Other than Archer, Sisko is the most actually soldier of all the captains. Picard is a diplomat. Janeway is a scientist, and Kirk while the third most soldier is also the most reckless and the reason why all other captains since do not like Kirk's style.

After losing his wife, Sisko spent 2 or 3 years working in a shipyard near Earth, depressed and bitter. He lost all upward momentum. Then he was assigned to DS9.

Kirk could only be considered reckless for the first few episodes that endangered the ship. He was almost never reckless after that because he knew his crew's capability and pushed it just shy of its limit each time. Not counting the movies Kirk never rushed into something he knew his crew couldn't handle.

archers ship did not have shields and went to abnormal space in a suicide mission to stop the more advanced xindi who where being controlled by interdimensional beings. most of the loses happened in a single battle and during an attack by pirates.

All three Enterprises count as flagships. All three for Starfleet, two for the Federation, one for Earth.

jesus mora And Janeway literally fought the Borg. Xindi vs. Borg is no fight at all. The Borg are a far more dangerous enemy than the Xindi and the Entrprise at least had the advantage of some allies. Janeway does her job exceptionally well.

ben good archer fought the borg too. the enterprise D and voyager are much more advanced ships, and they have shields. picard lost 70 crewmembers to the borg because he overestimated them. janeway went to a nebula for coffe. sisko won the dominion war via deus ex machina. archer had a timetraveler who helped him, but he was supposed to defeat the xindi and unite the federation anyways, it was the xindi who altered the timeline forcing the timecop to get involved. archer did the best he could, while the other captains acted stupidly.

It was hardly 'a single data spike followed by almost a decade of minimal losses'.

Would you be wearing the red shirt during your tour?

Papa Xan only startrek fans get the joke

The count with someone else in the big chair, hmmm, let me think, . . . maybe a tenth

Actually, you are statistically more likely to die on the good ol' NCC 1701 if you are wearing a Yellow Shirt, not a red one. Reason being, there are far more red shirts than any other color.

I would want to be on Voyager, more freedom to do your own thing...

+Cool TA Why?

I am not scared to serve under a woman Captain...

That's a... weird response to that question. There's plenty of reasons to not want to serve under Janeway besides "hur dur she's a woman". I wouldn't want to serve on Voyager for two reasons. A: Realistically their situation would be much more akin to the Equinox than the series portrayed. Voyager really got a lot of plot armor with how battle damage and attrition never seemed to effect the ship for more than a couple of episodes. B: There are a lot of episodes that make me question Janeway's mental fitness to serve as a commander. It gets handwaved a lot, and of course it rarely gets addressed outside of the episode it shows up in, but there are plenty of episodes that portray her as clearly unstable and maybe even psychopathic. The Equinox episode for example, or the multiple episodes where she threatens her command staff when they try to suggest that she take time to relax after months of constant stress, or that maybe she shouldn't continue with her current plan because it breaks regulation or basic morality like when she helps the Borg genocide an entire species.

My first order in her place would be to evacuate half the ship and dimm the lights. That would serve quite an amount of energy. And as second change I would try to get into a dialogue with the part that came from the Marquis. Sure Chakotay knows both sides, and he did a great job as first officer, but maybe bending Starfleet rules a bit would've helped alot. After all the initial mission was to find and capture the marquis. She basically did that in the first episode. After that it is al about getting home. There are neither time nor resources to help every little planet on the way. Archer did a better job at that even though he made quite the noise in the galaxy.

Thanks for your input!

Well, with the exception of Voyager, you can expect dead crew to be replaced when you make port.

Hell, I'd take Kira after Sisko.

that would be difficult since then we would need to decide whether Picardy losses as acting fleet captain against the borg do count. also that one time he nearly destroyed the whole universe. good times. Janeway also had some fleet battles where she basically acted as commander.

He said no movies, just the series. Also with history reset during the year of hell, she did not lose any ships under her command. Though I think even if we count the movies, Picard took command only once in a major fleet battle and lost only three ships, I think. So Siscko kill count would be higher on a overall level, but Picard did lose a lot people in the movies on his ship.

Picard was in command of the Borg Cube that ripped through the fleet at Wolf 359, so if you're counting that, Picard would be the most lethal.

and later during the battle of Sector 001 he is in command of the federation fleet and rips through the Borg just to mix things up.

Siscos death count if you count the battles is way higher than anyone else. probably higher than borg picard.

great use of "then" ;)

I would prefer to die in real life than to watch another episode of STD.

connann barbarin I dunno, they certainly have the most fun parties.

I'd fight with Lorca for sure, if he can take a bunch of pasty face science nerds and turn them into Klingon bashing badasses...I'm in!

S C 1) I bet you that Kirk could do that for you too and 2) These are the fake Discovery klingons we are talking about. Could the Lorca take on Martok or Kor in his prime? Hell no.

Sisko by a long shot.

@@jimmyd102000 unless you're giving Picard Wolf 359

sisko is a cowers that abandons ship

the captain goes down with the ship PS i watch every episode of DS9