All of the Kirby characters get nerfed hard. Sakurai just trying to avoid looking biased yet over 90% of the Kirby representation in Smash is from the few Kirby games he directed.

If you’re thinking of also eventually talking about the most BUFFED characters during transitions over the series, I believe that you’ll talk about Mario from Brawl to Smash 4. From F tier in Brawl to A tier (and top 9) is a HUGE improvement.

Ganondorf : literally Sakurai hating him

Brawl Dedede felt like somewhat of an amalgamation of good Melee characters' moves being transferred onto a slow heavy in the hopes that it would balance out. Down throw has the same exact properties as Shine, for instance, B-air is obviously like Puff's, and Side-B is pretty similar to Peach turnips or Falco lasers (remember, Yoshi wasn't considered good yet.) For the record, Falcon wasn't actually nerfed as hard as the tier list alone would make you think, he just translated poorly into Brawl since combos were impossible and nothing killed until like 200%. The same could be argued for Kirby, too, since even though his speed was nerfed from 64-Melee, he already wasn't the fastest, so further nerfs just kind of sealed his fate. It's also important to remember that the SSB team nerfed characters transitioning to the next game by referencing community opinion at the time. Characters like Mario and Ganon being nerfed make slightly more sense when you remember that people sucked in early Melee, leading HAL to nerf them coming into Brawl. What that doesn't explain is why they nerfed Puff, since the community still thought Puff sucked (It would take until ~09 for Mango's dominance with puff to be acknowledged completely, I believe).

Brawl Falcon is just downright depressing.

On top of everything else, Melee Kirby also loses all of his jumps after using up-throw...

didn't realize lucario got nerfed lol

Lucario's viability in Smash 4 was fully realized at the very end of the game's life spam, and you could technically make an argument that he could still be viable on Ultimate... Except when characters like Terry or Kazuya exists... *It is what it is*

Even as someone who doesn't play Smash Bros competitively, seeing how hard they nerfed Kirby in Melee makes me sad. He's one of my favorite Nintendo characters and I use him in the other Smash Bros games he's in. But it is extremely hard to win matches with him in Melee. Even in Free For All mode. Melee is the only Smash Bros game that I have trouble using Kirby in

Kirby was so broke on the N64 that his forward smash can be spammed at 0% to low percentage and... that's the whole combo. Depending on the stage, if you're on a really long area like Hyrule castle or Fox's ship Kirby's forward smash can be spammed till you reach a ledge.

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Lucario is the character I've put the most time into in Smash 4 and Ultimate. I really felt the nerfs super hard so it feels really nice to see a video talking about it. I've actually seen some pros place him in bottom tier. There's characters that do what he wants but better since it can be troublesome for him to make it past 100%. I've heard some people make funny comments about in Ultimate, he's essentially like trying to play a weird worse version of Sheik. I do love the range and speed increases (and counter reliably connecting so he doesn't get punished for countering), but it feels as if they tried to force a power character into a character based around speed without thinking about what purpose each move serves. Competitively I just don't see him me ever using him, not even as a counterpick. Snake basically replaced all the matchups I wanted to swap to Lucario for, even against the best player who mained Pikachu because Lucario does oddly well against Pikachu because Lucario will actually get high aura in that matchup quite often, and T-jolt can be countered safely. Snake just counters Pikachu much much harder (and I play chess as my other go-to competitive game, and Snake really is "chess in smash"). Still playing him for this month, because this year I've been dedicating 1 month per character to finally decide who my main will be so I never stop thinking in circles about who could be a possible main. At this point I feel like I'll keep him as a pocket for countering people's mindsets/playstyles. Other people may hate him, but to me high aura Lucario is the hypest thing in smash because he's just the most intense form of adrenaline (Pichu does similarly, but it's constant with Pichu, so it's not quite as effective at getting the blood pumping). Other characters everything feels the same throughout the match, but Lucario the low stakes of early %s, and high stakes of high% just feels so good, and there's so many different strategies based around the aura, and his move set feels good outside of aura as well. Whatever the case, I will still love playing Lucario casually and I hope in a future smash game he gets Zeraora (or some other pokemon) as an echo as a non-aura alternative so people won't turn their nose up at his moveset because he's really fun. Though a re-work would be nice, so it's not just "Goku in smash". Aura in smash doesn't even work that way in Pokemon!

I think DK in Ult was nerfed pretty bad if not the worst. They shrank his arms, they nerfed his grab, and the speed of the game makes heavies worse. They even nerfed his UpB's aerial hitbox and damage too so you rarely use it outside of recovering (which was also nerfed)

Surprised nobody mentioned Bayonetta’s horrendous nerfs from sm4sh to ult. At least when the game first came out, since she got beneficial buffs later on. While she was broken in sm4sh no argument on that but she definitely is nowhere near as good as she was in the previous smash game. Going from best character in the game to below mid tier on release in the new game is crazy…. On the topic of that though, wonder what will happen to Steve and Kazuya in the next smash game…..

Lucario is among my favourite Pokémon, and while I never played Brawl in its prime, I was incredibly excited seeing him in Smash 4 and he was by far my most used character, even being one of maybe three characters outside of the Miis I made multiple custom sets for because that was a thing in that game for some modes. Playing him in Smash Ultimate, while I did still enjoy and he still takes my most used character there, felt noticeably different and the gap between him and Marth as my second or the rest of the cast isn't nearly as large.

The Nerf of Kirby it's because the character's Code and attacks are incomplete and not finished completely in Melee and the other Smash games.

But I love kirby 😢

Now do the opposite of characters who were buffed inbetween Smash games

King Dedede really deserved better

My guy ddd got bodied hard. TWICE

Pretty much all of the Original 12 were nerfed in the transition to Brawl

Brawl's most nerfed is really Jigglypuff yeah

Sonic got hit the worst man its so sad. Brawl to 4 nerfed his emotions so heavily the world still hasn't healed

Awesome video as always! I think the music could've been turned down though, makes some of it feel very noise-populated, especially with sound effects on top of it.

I do have to credit the original smash bros. for my love of Kirby. His games were fun, but I loved the contrast between his games and how hard he played in the original smash. I miss him being viable, but it’s still fun to surprise unsuspecting players with a decent Kirby

Never forget the Smash 4 Dedede video that won against that really good Cloud player

This has the quality of a video from a 500k+ subscriber channel 🔥

Wow. Nobody has talked about how even Mario himself was severely nerfed from "Melee" to "Brawl" to the point where he became a Low Tier character for the first time in Smash history. Especially since his KO Power and Recovery were the worst that they have ever have been in the Smash series. I also even heard that Mario couldn't even combo opponents very well in "Brawl's" engine due to the limited amount of Hit-Stun that "Brawl" has as well. Since Mario's combo abilities were probably his biggest strength that he's had in "Smash 64" and "Melee" back then. After what happened to Mario in "Brawl", you would just outright think that Sakurai should have just let someone else balance Mario out in future Smash titles who's definitely much more loyal to the character than Sakurai was in "Melee" and "Brawl" back then. I couldn't talk about Luigi since he was never severely nerfed like his brother Mario was in both "Melee" and "Brawl" back then. The reason why Mario was also heavily nerfed from "Smash 64" to "Melee" is because that he lost most of the KO Power and Recovery that he once had in "Smash 64" back then as well.

I heard Nineball Island in this video and became very happy.

This was a very truthful video. Honest content if you will

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Lucario doesn't have bad out of shield options

5:00 Jigglypuff becoming bottom 3? I think you mean bottom 1

Cool 0:06

just gonna try predict the reverse "most buffed characters" list 64 to Melee - Luigi? went from worst character in the game to a B- tier in Melee, no big stand out shift for this game but he's who I'd have to go with if picking anyone Melee to Brawl - Really tough to decide, basically every character from Melee is either in the same tier or worse, I would have to go with Game and Watch being in the same tier as Fox which is in part due to the nerfs to him and he didn't really jump a massive tier or anything but he's one of the only improved characters relative to Melee where almost everyone drops off a cliff. Brawl to 4 - Easily Mario, from a bottom 8 F tier character to top 9 overall couldn't be a bigger jump so that's the most obvious best pick to me 4 to Ultimate - Pac-Man or Palutena, I would say Pac-Man purely cause he's ranked lower than her in 4 and top 15 in Ultimate, higher than Palutena in Smash as well as them fixing stuff like his awful grab in 4 stand out. While a slightly lower tier jump than Pac, Palutena definitely jumped representation wise as a generally easy to use top tier, despite being worse I'm pretty sure Smash 4 Pac-Man still had way more representation due to the fact he was Pac-Man so people wanted to use him compared to Palutena who's not even comparably popular of a character

It's more like the Smash team doesn't know how to nerf probably.

Wasn’t Mewtwo nerfed pretty hard from Smash 4 to Smash Ultimate as well?

I joined smash at around brawl so here are characters i was sad about getting nerfed in smash 4 -Falco (Horrid neutral game with harshly nerfed moves that were good in brawl) -Wario (Wack range, and lotsa laggy moves now) -Puff (Was bad in brawl, but was comepletely killed in smash 4) -Mr G&W (Cant kill and wack range) Hope these list of characters help some others understand that Sakurai hates competitive smash

1:02 made me realise you have smash remix cuz you can't play on First Destination in Smash 64

I feel Falco should have been the Smash Wii U one when it came to the nerf from Brawl to 4

making a character that has the best move included from every game

I really wish that Lucario was now becoming a better Smash character in a next Smash game so that everyone will keep enjoying play as him once again just if he is buffed than nerfed, I hope.

The waddle dees were honestly better projectiles than the gordos. Sure they didn’t do a lot of damage, but you couldn’t just fling them back at King Dedede and they were honestly better for spacing.

Honestly my vote from smash 4-> Ultimate would be marth

As a kirby fan who loves penguins, sad to see dedede being bad ( also kirby) so i think heres how to buff dedede Down special is gordo cuz side special he will spin with his hammer as a kill move AND when the move is done he will throw the hammer Brawl grab range Gordo dont get reflected by one move

Kazuya (in my opinion) flat out invalidates Lucario across the board. That being said, I would've included Marth for characters that were nerfed the hardest in Ultimate.

Well at least I now know that ddd rocked the c+. In his debut in smash.

Literally all that was needed to nerf lucario and still make home good was to nerf rage that’s it. The weight nerf was not needed at all

I'm confused. How is melee captain falcon more nerfed than melee jigglypuff?

I don’t like Kirby’s melee lips. They make me uncomfortable…

So what's the deal with the footage at 7:13 and why didn't you credit the original source of the person who uploaded this clip or better yet record new footage to demonstrate King Dedede's chain grab? Seeing the footage go from pretty good to 2008 footage with a low quality camera filming a standard definition tv is very jarring.

7:34 Zelda was lower than Ganondorf? Wow, it's a good thing I didn't play Smash competitively or I would have been angry at this.

high quality video but you failed to mention melee kirby's sad excuse for a suicide kill, his back thro

What about Meta Knight?

King dedede is the hardest character to kill vertically. his combination of weight, fall speed and gravity make so that he lives longer than most other characters launched upwards. I'd def say Jigglypuff had a much larger, WORSE drop off than falcon ever did. and for brawl king dedede, while not that great in 4, wasnt the worst. Falco had a worse drop off in smash 4. they gutted his lasers and kill power. the removal of chain grabs also effected him but much harsher than dedede cause falco is easier to kill and didnt gain any good advantages over brawl. lucario is a good pick for ult, my second one would be shiek

Kirby is the greatest! *Melee Kirby: I beg your pardon*

I know they did Falcon Dirty bro 😢

Can u do a video about mr game and watch in ultimate compared to his past iterations

These mfers at Nintendo basically said "Hey, this character seems to be really going is doing well with the community and on tierlists. Let's make 'em absolute dogshit the next game."

Holy falcon propaganda

Brawl Falco to Smash 4

People really think there’s stats and shit in this game

Marth in Melee>>>> Marth in Ultimate

Kirby is my favorite Super Smash Brothers character!

You gotta blow your nose dog

Sakurai nerfed our son

I will argue that brawl Falco to sm4sh falco is worse since he was top 6 in brawl

That’s pretty awful that apparently the best game in the series still has atrocious competitive viability for many characters, outright making some just purely better than other characters. Makes competition really just….non existent. Sad

kirby

Im surprised you never considered how bad they nerfed Dr Mario since he was top of mid tier

He said cloud and bayo are still viable. Only cloud is def not bayo, cloud not numerous game chaning buffs will bayo simple got some touch ups.

This video was uploaded at 12:00 o clock

what is the name of this music? 9:10

Anti-Lucario Propagandist sucks it's so childish and amateur since I got more attention on that Aura Doggo in Pokemon Journey.

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Nah jigglypuff was the most nerfed in brawl.

lucario is pretty good

C'mon bro you chose one of the lamest combos in melee to call hype

Next: Top 5 Characters That Got Last Place: 64: Luigi Melee: Bowser Brawl: Ganondorf SM4SH: Jigglypuff Ultimate: Also Ganondorf