How Bad Are Brawl's Mid Tiers?

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How Bad Are Brawl's Mid Tiers?

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We all know about Brawl's most broken characters... and the really bad ones... How viable are the Mid-Tier characters?
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@uraninezak 3 ай бұрын

You missed out on the biggest thing Peach has in this game: being able to float from ledge while retaining ledge invincibility. It was found super late into Brawl's life span so it never got to see much use but it gave her a leg up against being some more oppressive ledge guards like Mach Tornado.

@naeruslove3811 3 ай бұрын

Man I really miss Brawl's sound effects. And Sonic's visual design looks soo much cooler

@Right_Bumper 2 ай бұрын

Ye Sonic’s spinning sound effects are better on the ears in Brawl imo

@OrlandoAToons2008 3 ай бұрын

I'm saying it again, Sonic needs a good moveset.

@jujuPLUS 3 ай бұрын

As long as he’s low tier

@Sly88Frye 3 ай бұрын

Yeah Sonic's moveset doesn't exactly fit his character completely but he's been my main since brawl so I like playing as him anyway.

@CipherKnighto 3 ай бұрын

Who isn’t

@LORD---BrazilianSoldier 3 ай бұрын

*Ganondorf laughing in the corner

@Wolfie15 3 ай бұрын

Super Smash Flash 2

@maxdetni1381 3 ай бұрын

The constant tripping that’s in this video is just hilarious 😆 To think that we played this game for money 😅

@dr.rockzo7193 Ай бұрын

Half charged waft being stronger in brawl was an intentional design choice to reward players who could keep track of its charge, much like how move staling was ramped up to 11 in this game to reward using your chars whole kit.

@ninja1167. 3 ай бұрын

You showed brawl wario getting ground release regrabbed by marth. That is not true on wario, as only ness and lucas have the 10 extra frames there. Wario has a bad air release, so maybe that's what you were thinking of, but it wasn't shown

@hoagieland3716 3 ай бұрын

This immediately stuck out to me too

@x_kawaiiangel_x 13 күн бұрын

the gameplay shown by the creator on these videos tend to be a little strange and unimpressive overall.. try to not focus on it lolz

@NintendoTV64 3 ай бұрын

They really did a lot of characters dirty in Brawl, but TBCH, I enjoy playing as a lot of the mid tiers, especially DK, Wario, Luigi, Sonic, Wolf, and Yoshi. They just have such an interesting playstyle in this game. Also, Brawl Sheik's design is peak design for her, since it's based on an unused design from Twilight Princess.

@anthonykuglov1417 3 ай бұрын

Another thing about Peach is that her matchups/viability in this game actually got better as time went on, with Mew2King saying she could be top 10. Others pointed out the late-discovered float invincibility as well. From one Peach player to another - you gotta hype her up for all she’s worth cuz she’s a character that unfortunately never gets clout or hyped. The only time people talk about her being good is when they have too 😭

@dew2759 3 ай бұрын

Wolf also has trouble recovering from spikes because he has the longest meteor cancel lockout in the game (60 frames)

@joshtheryuk 2 ай бұрын

I think the developers wanted the player to use Sheik to combo and rack up % and then switch to Zelda for the kill. Which would have been an interesting playstyle if not for the fact that transforming takes like 6 seconds of loading and leaves you vulnerable to so much shit it's not even worth it. If Down-B was instant, gave you a few seconds of i-frames and maybe even knocked back enemies then it might have worked.

@Mimifan1129 29 күн бұрын

I’m glad they figured out this kind of character with pyra and mythra

@qm5074 17 күн бұрын

i never really played duo characters in one but i liked zelda in this game

@CipherKnighto 3 ай бұрын

Fun fact: because of Pit’s weird techs the Japanese have Pit as a top tier I think

@jermainestate4972 3 ай бұрын

Because Earth was just that good. He was to pit what esam was for pikachu in brawl. If you didnt play against him, the placement will be a lot worse. Fox was also a lot higher placed.

@gusteen3292 3 ай бұрын

Pit, the most mid character in all of Smash history, is always a mid-tier in all of his appearances, would be cool to see his history in Smash, since Smash basically rebooted him to a modern audience.

@StanleySophana 3 ай бұрын

You should compare Brawl's Japanese Tier List to NTSC's Tier List. There are a lot of differences between them

@MarioKartChamp710 3 ай бұрын

Fox is much higher, Pikachu is much lower, Zelda and Sheik are just counted in the same slot, Ganondorf isn't last, Jigglypuff is last, Mario is a mid tier instead of a low tier, and much more

@Freeraining-og7uh 3 ай бұрын

Is there an in game difference between the NTSC version of brawl and the PAL Version?

@StanleySophana 3 ай бұрын

@@Freeraining-og7uh The only difference is that the PAL version has a glitch that only happens in Subspace. In one of the levels, if you fall into one of the bottomless pits, it'll transport you further ahead of the level instead of responding where you died. That's about it

@CipherKnighto 3 ай бұрын

Pit is pretty high up too

@monopolyrubix1875 3 ай бұрын

Love the Pokemon Colosseum/XD music.

@JH-ty2cs 3 ай бұрын

if you play it on 1.5x speed it almost looks like PM

@Sly88Frye 3 ай бұрын

5:25 Actually what surprised me is that King Dede is only 12 in brawl. I remember when I used to play brawl a lot when it was new, King dedede was such a pain in the ass to go against because of his chain grabbing. Not to mention there was a point in time where the top three best characters were Meta Knight who still is the best, then snake who I think dropped the 6th I believe and yes King deded was the third best fighter in the game at one point. Now he's down the 12th That is why 12th is a surprise to me

@kingdedede5570 3 ай бұрын

a lot of the more oppressive characters in the game can't be chaingrabbed

@spartacusthememelord6890 3 ай бұрын

I approve of the Pokemon Gale of Darkness music used in this video

@DeluxeGamer705 3 ай бұрын

Dedede honestly should be proud of himself due to his tier placement for a big boi heavyweight. Also, G&W is my all-time Brawl main. :D

@TheRedStinger82 3 ай бұрын

I feel like brawl wario would have been way better if he didn't have his grab release jank. Same with maybe Ness and Lucas

@cfino9 3 ай бұрын

Mostly honest content. too many inaccuracies to get into, but mostly correct.

@Monhamd1000 3 ай бұрын

The sheer irony of Sonic's placement in Brawl, has led to being a god tier character in later games.

@somebol9047 3 ай бұрын

You have a very nice head shape.

@magicsack 3 ай бұрын

You're quirky :3

@Freeraining-og7uh 3 ай бұрын

As a Luigi main played brawl the mid aren’t too bad. They are a struggle to use against meta knight.

@James89227 3 ай бұрын

Ok, so I have an Honest Question, where do Smash Creators learn like you find their data? I kinda want to get into some content creation for Smash, but I don’t want to just use my personal experience as all I have is my time playing the game and a decent amount of videos, like yours which I have enjoyed watching. I’ve taken film for 4 years and kinda want to do something with it and this would be something I think I would find fun, I really like your video format!

@hoagieland3716 3 ай бұрын

A lot of Brawl data is scattered throughout old archives with more in the wikis, but a lot of data isn’t captured. In fact, some of the data and showcases in this video aren’t even accurate (most notably the Wario grab release which should be an air release and not a ground release). More stuff is even being found today by dedicated players who still actively play and lab the game. The best place for Brawl info is to probably just ask around in Discord servers like Brawl Central where you can find dedicated character specialists and people who are just generally knowledgeable about the game and its mechanics. But the Smash wiki is also a decent source of info which I imagine is probably where Honest Content gets most of his info

@James89227 3 ай бұрын

@@hoagieland3716 Thanks for the suggestion, I’ll take a look into it!

@his_purpose3 2 ай бұрын

Triple D's backthrow was also really good. Did about 17% and worked really well on characters he couldn't efficiently chaingrab

@wedonotcare5792 3 ай бұрын

you should do a video about smash 4 top tiers!

@ZachHonest 3 ай бұрын

I will at some point!

@user-uk1xq1cf6z 2 ай бұрын

15:30 oh boy did this down smash got nerfed, it turned from probably the best down smash in the game to probably the worst down smash in the game, because characters will always fall out of this move, and it dosen't even kill at sudden death %

@andersonjosiah 2 ай бұрын

I think the best Mid Teir moment in competitive Brawl was at the first major tournament for the game. Ken, a Marth main, and easily the greatest melee player of his era, lost a tournament to a kid playing Rob. He wasn’t even in town for the tournament, he just came there for fun, and won the whole thing. Needless to say, caused an outrage.

@Valentinesdayghost 4 күн бұрын

It’s because items were legal. It also wasn’t a major if I recall correctly. If you do want to know a cool ROB moment in Brawl though, the best is probably OCEAN beating Mew2King.

@PizzaTimeTheater690 3 ай бұрын

Another amazing honest video dropped 🔥

@MarioKartChamp710 3 ай бұрын

So the high tier, upper mid tier, mid tier, and low mid tier. Now Brawl has been done! Are you gonna do Melee's B+ tier aince its the only tier you haven't discussed?

@stubish5582 3 ай бұрын

You should do a video on 1.0 ultimate, and how it’s changed to current time. I remember 1.0 was pretty whacky.

@kovacsmark9436 3 ай бұрын

Do how bad are ultimates low tiers from mewtwo to ganondorf

@saxeladude 2 ай бұрын

12:30 what!? it's only does 40 percent and is probably the best multihit in the series

@galaxyfam6471 3 ай бұрын

Ike’s sword sounded so good in this game. Wish they didn’t change the sfx

@samuelbrown1283 2 ай бұрын

For those who wanna know about brawl lungi. 2 words. Down, Special. It's kind of like his wavedash

@shadownite3378 3 ай бұрын

I think Fox having arguably one of the best metaknight matchups in the game puts him well above wolf and he should be much higher on the tier list if that is the case imo. His only real issue is the Pikachu matchup

@Imsuperior77 22 сағат бұрын

Sonic In Brawl Best Best Better.

@user-uk1xq1cf6z Ай бұрын

I could see pikachu being a top 5 character in brawl

@saxeladude 2 ай бұрын

22:55 song?

@cheese1678989 3 ай бұрын

Brawl ZSS is so much fun to play

@Imsuperior77 22 сағат бұрын

Brawl Sonic Best Best Better

@myhandleiswhat 2 ай бұрын

Due to (what can only be called a glitch) Squirtle is actually the fastest in Brawl.

@Imsuperior77 22 сағат бұрын

26:31 you mean Yourself @HonestContent @ZachHonest Worst character.

@mayoh71 3 ай бұрын

ngl i kind of wished game and watch was just a *bit* better, some moves aren't so much, the up air changed was such a bad change i don't like it at all 😭, but oh well, old game anyways, still main this dude

@josephwilkinson977 3 ай бұрын

I heard you mentioned Melee marth when talking about dedede, I just wanted to say melee marth's grab is perfectly modest, and the fault normally lies with the opponent. Great video besides that!

@yeehaw8089 Ай бұрын

really great video, I love these more niche dives into old smash games. That being said, please get better b-roll footage. Your footage more than half of the time does not represent what you are saying at all.

@BigDnotimpressed 3 ай бұрын

Wario actually won a Brawl major once.

@Right_Bumper 2 ай бұрын

Sucks that this is the only good looking version of Sonic Idk how they made him look worse as the franchise went on

@ciarzyx 3 ай бұрын

I love your vids, but maybe more tournament footage would be better instead of you just fooling around with the character?

@VesDegree 3 ай бұрын

They are so bad that you can't even do dash attack into dash attack

@sryberg16 3 ай бұрын

Brawlternative, what’s your take?

@f-gamer7880 3 ай бұрын

BRAWL DONKEY KONG MENTIONED??!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😍😍😍😍

@L0veKarma 3 ай бұрын

Didnt watch it yet but my prediction: They arent that good since they cant counter Meta Knight well since the tier list is about who can beat him

@TramiNguyen-oi3kp 3 ай бұрын

Kirby is my favorite Super Smash Brothers character!

@MarioKartChamp710 3 ай бұрын

You'd love Smash 64

@TramiNguyen-oi3kp 3 ай бұрын

@@MarioKartChamp710 awesome video!

@SonicTheCutehog 3 ай бұрын

Anyone who isn't a Top Tier in Brawl is Mid Tier or lower

@Imsuperior77 22 сағат бұрын

Once Again Brawl Zelda Best Best Better & yes Brawl Ivysaur Best Best Better Same Goes Brawl Ganondorf Best Best Better official Yes yes😊🎉

@rakanelafrangi161 3 ай бұрын

I think Luigi is underrated, good jab game, good projectile, good smashes good Nair and Up B is an amazing KO tool

@Mr.D0rAdE517 3 ай бұрын

@kovacsmark9436 3 ай бұрын

also how broken are ultimates top tiers from Steve to zero suit samus

@MarioKartChamp710 3 ай бұрын

I think the top tiers should stick to the ten characters in the S+, S, and S- tiers.

@tytar2132 3 ай бұрын

Zss sux

@Imsuperior77 22 сағат бұрын

Brawl Peach Best Best Better Brawl Zelda Best Best Better Brawl Ivysaur Best Best Better Brawl Yoshi Best Best Better Brawl R.O.B Best Best Better Brawl DK Best Best Better Yes. Everything I Said Here Official Btw Brawl Kirby Best Best Better Brawl Luigi Best Best Better Brawl Lucas Best Best Better Brawl Ness Best Best Better Brawl Sheik Best Best Better Brawl Ivysaur Best Best Better Brawl Charizard Best Best Better Brawl Squirtie Best Best Better Brawl Mario Best Best Better Brawl Zero Suit Samus Best Best Better Brawl Pikachu Best Best Better Brawl Fox Best Best Better Brawl Bowser Best Best Better Brawl Link Best Best Better.

@BigDnotimpressed 3 ай бұрын

Proof Brawl is the worst smash game.

@LashesElf 2 ай бұрын

That’s cap unless you’re talking about it in terms of competitive play

@dragozillasaur813 2 ай бұрын

bitch, Smash Melee is overrated nowadays