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Commanders don’t need modern borders to be playable in the modern era. There are plenty of forgotten legends that still slap! This episode, we’re going over our favorite old school Commanders. We’ll lay out how to build these OG EDH stars, including all the new tricks they picked up in recent sets. Come join us!
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:04:27 - The Most Powerful Old School Commanders
00:07:23 - Angus Mackenzie
00:15:34 - Chainer, Dementia Master
00:25:59 - Captain Sisay
00:33:04 - Merieke Ri Berit
00:41:28 - Hakim, Loreweaver
00:49:55 - Hua Tuo, Honored Physician
00:56:15 - Márton Stromgald
01:03:15 - Seton, Krosan Protector
01:09:22 - Nicol Bolas
01:19:05 - Sliver Queen
01:25:52 - To the Listeners
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@commandcast 5 ай бұрын

What’s your favorite Old School commander? Did we miss any synergies with your favorite old-bordered legend?

@kurtisohlhausen1538 5 ай бұрын

Sliver Queen

@moedark4390 5 ай бұрын

The Blind Seer

@JohnnyBoy-wi4kn 5 ай бұрын

Bolas has been my guy since I started MTG!

@stevengerhard4666 5 ай бұрын

I made an OG Bolas deck with all cards that are from 1999 or prior. It’s not the greatest deck, but so fun to play.

@joshuamartinez6112 5 ай бұрын

Rasputin Dreamweaver! I play him as an etb synergy allowing me to play big scary eldrazis and other scary colorless spells.

@ThorgisArcade 5 ай бұрын

I just started playing Magic again for the first time in fifteen years, so seeing cards that I used when I stared now being mentioned as Commanders was a treat.

@z.scott.porter 5 ай бұрын

Welcome back.

@LuciusAmadeus21 5 ай бұрын

Sliver Queen is one of my favorite commanders, but with how expensive she is- I feel bad playing her, she’s become more of a collector piece for me

@savannahlion3081 5 ай бұрын

Just play It ! That's what they're made for! 🤘🦁🤘

@MaximBeatsMusic 5 ай бұрын

Maybe just get a cool proxy and keep the original in a binder.

@iananelson8256 5 ай бұрын

@@MaximBeatsMusic yeah that's what I did.

@nelsikegaming 5 ай бұрын

You own the card. Play it. I used to feel guilty for playing expensive cards but every card is expensive to someone. Play a $10 card and get a groan, play a $300 card and get a groan. Just play and ignore groans.

@travismeyer1670 5 ай бұрын

Most people these days don't understand that you earn your money if you buy something you enjoy there should be no reason anyone should be jealous if your opponents want one they can set aside a dollar a day until they earn there own wizards has lost focus on that earning your game pieces makes then feel more satisfying to play never let anyone make you feel bad about something you've earned

@timothyvandenberg2905 5 ай бұрын

Fun Fact: I spoke with Magic Artist Bryon Wackwitz at MagicCon Vegas (2022) and he confirmed that he intentionally made Angus Mackenzie specifically look like Tim The Enchanter from Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail. So, yes, that was on purpose. That's not just your eyes fooling you. :)

@manasplained 5 ай бұрын

The fun thing you can use with the old elder dragons is assault suit so that they can’t be sacrificed or eon hub to skip upkeeps so you don’t have to pay the 3 each turn

@BrodyTwice 5 ай бұрын

I have a chainer dementia master deck, my all time favorite, a captain sisay, and a hazezon Tamar deck, there's a lot of fun to be had with old school commanders

@Flyboy245 5 ай бұрын

I’m so glad you included gilt-leaf archdruid. That’s my favorite druid. Before I got into commander, I made a modern deck based around that card Nicol bolas only has to deal damage 😂 That hua tuo tech is sweet haha

@thriftypsgr 5 ай бұрын

ITS MERF!!!!!!! Heck yeah. Been a fan of merf since I saw him on the hakbul upgrade

@shadowstargaming7186 5 ай бұрын

I'm extremely surprised that when talking about Seton and how he wants Druids and card draw, you didn't mention one of the best card draw druids for the deck: Beast Whisperer! In case you guys forgot, HE'S A DRUID!

@pauldyson8098 5 ай бұрын

Reki (OG Kamigawa block) is my oldest commander (I've had it built for almost ten years) and still one of my best. Not quite old enough to make your cutoff (he's 2005) but he's held up well over the decades.

@mofomiko 5 ай бұрын

What is it built around? Legends good stuff? How does it pilot? You've had it a long time, so it seems fun enough. Asking because i have one lying around, and im building a mono deck for each color, and so far, mono green is the most uninspiring to me

@pauldyson8098 5 ай бұрын

@@mofomiko Basically, green legends "storm." Dana Roach of EDHRECast has a Reki deck and they've made a few videos on it. His Archidekt page has an. His list is pretty pricey but you can build Reki for super cheap and it'll still be solid. It's pretty simple/linear, but the deck snowballs and is resilient and rebuilds fast after wipes.

@VagrantKing 5 ай бұрын

Hua Tuo was my first Monogreen commander deck many many years ago. I used to to play it as a Monogreen reanimator deck where I would mill myself and use him before my draw step to get a creature back and “reanimate” them so I could cast them again.

@Shikigami6 5 ай бұрын

I really like Maraxus of Keld. You can go so many routes like goblin or treasures. Just anything that spits out a lot of permanents. Very unique to have a Voltron style commander that wants you to go wide as a backup/resource

@hermodnitter3902 5 ай бұрын

Love the old commanders! I currently have these: - Shauku, Endbringer (kill everything) - Soraya the Falconer (birds) - Phelddagrif (combo'y semi group hug) - Zirilan of the Claw (big red dragons) - Gabriel Angelfire (all white borders!) - Lady Caleria (archers) - Rohgahh of Kher Keep (hidden commander in my Prossh deck)

@bobbye4369 5 ай бұрын

I love these old commanders. It's nice to see some of the OGs get some love.

@tahoth5866 5 ай бұрын

An important part of Merieke with those auras is you can untap her with the ability on the stack, allowing you to do it again, and again. The creatures won't die so you can steal 4-5 creatures at a time and keep them all rather than just killing them

@literaturegeek1570 5 ай бұрын

My oldest Commander and also my first deck was Rubinia Soulsinger. I got the bant Precon from Commander 2013 and have recently reinstated her as the helm of the deck, even though the contents have changed over the years. She will always have a special place in my heart. 🥰

@cell9962 5 ай бұрын

I have a hua tuo deck and absolutely love it. It’s such a fun strategy and seems like with every new set there are hidden pieces to find and try!

@Superangeldemongirl 5 ай бұрын

I never realize promise of tomorrow worked with merieke like that! I'm definitely going to have to add that card to my deck :)

@moedark4390 5 ай бұрын

me neither, i was instantly on tcg when i saw that.

@themagicofmtg 5 ай бұрын

Captain Sisay is my pet deck. I've always loved it and it's the deck I've had together the longest. It's the second deck I built (after Niv Mizzet). I carry it around with me even though I don't play it very often as it's a very powerful deck.

@snakeman830 5 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure the main reason you see the other legendary slivers so often compared to Sliver Queen is the price. $250 is a pretty big barrier for just the commander.

@MrNzninja666 5 ай бұрын

Merieke and Intruder alarm if you don't like anyone to have creatures on the battlefield :D

@AfroAtze 5 ай бұрын

I love the classics! I have recently built a full old border deck helmed by Ertai, the Corrupted, which is great fun. A cool feature is that the commander can be replaced and the deck just functions slightly different with another twist: 1.) Ertai, the Corrupted with repeatable counters backing the win condition up. Synergy pieces are untaps and enchantments 2.) Merieke Ri Berit with more board control, synergizes with untap 3.) Zur, the Enchanter synergizes with the enchantments and turbos the deck

@tomatodragon8164 5 ай бұрын

Xiahou Dun, he has a lot of graveyard shenanigans he can pull. He’s also a horsy boy, so you can buff him and wipe out a player whenever.

@typethe1316 5 ай бұрын

For Merieke, just play cards that give all your permanents indestructible (Avacyn, Angel of Hope).

@oneofthosebeebles 5 ай бұрын

Multani, Maro-Sorcerer is my favorite. Ramp him out and cast Last March of the Ents, or a Rishkar's Expertise + Psychosis Crawler. Big dumb green things with a pinch of grouphug. Using the same copy of Multani that I got as a kid.

@jovax0450 5 ай бұрын

Eladamri, lord of leaves is my favorite old commander. Makes for a very unique deck build for elves

@patricksaville8672 5 ай бұрын

I still have my Seton deck and I love it. Super strong and a lot of fun!

@valerieiglar-mobley4894 5 ай бұрын

Command Zone, I’m thrilled about the live game knights Friday at MagicCon Chicago, but when are you all doing signings? Do I need to get a badge for Saturday too? Are signings an extra ticket? The MagicCon event website is not clear, please help!

@Dekaar 5 ай бұрын

Back in the days (Era Mercadian masks) we had a saying, as Tempest block was largely gone but still seen pretty often... "how much mana does it cost to have flying, first strike, trample, can't be targeted by spells, has shadow, does not need to be tapped for attacking and can blow themselves up to give you directly? Yeah right. 2 Mana" - and then every sliver player near hearing it went into maniac laugh mode .... yeah... Sliver Queen was insane back in the day. Her ability is so simple but what happens after is basically a messy catastrophy gotta build sliver again with my 2 queens and overlords.

@Sweetguy1821 5 ай бұрын

I built my skeleton ship deck. Love taking people by surprise and winning games with it

@kovala 5 ай бұрын

Never smashed the like button so fast. Love seeing old commanders put to use. Source: am oldie.

@minispiel19 5 ай бұрын

I just built a Chainer, Nightmare Adept, but OG Chainer looks really sweet too! Maybe I will give that a look.

@daviddufrane9697 5 ай бұрын

I need more episodes like this one, great job team! 🎉

@Anew522 5 ай бұрын

I love Zariel. I pulled her in the set she came in and use her in a couple red decks now. My new Ob nixilis, captive kingpin loves her so much

@joshuagodinez4271 5 ай бұрын

My stick ever since I started playing magic was Nicol Bolas. From him being Super OP in mtg 2013 on my Xbox, with the mox artifacts, to his less than glorious end in war of the spark, he has been my favorite deck to play. I have him as a hate deck, full of removal, counters, and discard. I recently made one around the ravager, filled with eternal and zombie tribal for the limited creatures for the sheer number of wipes he has, to decimate the board over and over till he’s the last one standing after recurring his board back to its glory.

@starmanda88 5 ай бұрын

Love this topic!!!

@lulu1997master 5 ай бұрын

Holy crud, I was just thinking about maybe building a Merieke deck and then this video showed up. Nice!

@mooninites755 5 ай бұрын

Volrath the Fallen is actually a pretty underrated voltron commander. He's certainly not going to be among the best, because he is kind of forced into voltron, but he falls into a big CMC matters type of deck and suddenly go from a 6/4 to a 22/20 by discarding a Draco or anything else with high CMC

@hugmonger 5 ай бұрын

Merike: So with Aura/Free From The Reel she becomes a mass mind control spell. Tap put ability on stack, hold priority pay to untap, when untapped re-tap and repeat. Then of course if they try to regain their creatures hold up 1 mana to kill all of them

@marcomx8069 5 ай бұрын

I have an Hazezon Tamar naya lands deck and it's super sweet, and fun fact i built it after discovering hazezon in the commander cube episode of game knights

@ingolf82 5 ай бұрын

Seton, Krosan Protector was one of my first decks. When Raggagragga came out I took it apart and turned it into that. But I had this for years, it was my craterhoof deck. Another fun thing I liked to do was to steal everyone's lands. what makes Seton special is that you can tap the druid right away, so if you have a hand full pf 1 mana druids, you can play them all for one mana, I did that many times and then I got 2 7 druids and then played the land stealing druids and whoops aæll the lands are gone and then I play a seedborn muse and I can do it EVERY TURN. I played a game where I recast Seton for 17 mana, because they kept removing him lol. I ran 26 lands in this deck, so what Rachel says is correct. I ran 24 forests, a nykthos and a homeward path, incase of creature theft

@michaelxydas2420 5 ай бұрын

i play marton and its one of my favorite decks. love making tiny goblin tokens into giant menaces to society. also run raging river in the deck which makes it fun too

@TheRandomeDud3 5 ай бұрын

You could always use Arcane Teachings on Nicol Bolas to make him a tapper to deal damage or Mutate Porcuparrot (underneath) Nicol Bolas as well

@gallantduke6393 5 ай бұрын

Shout out to Karn Silver Golem. His animate artifact ability allows for some BUSTED combos and land destruction. It’s beautiful 🥹

@gypsieking3280 5 ай бұрын

Merieke lets you steal multiple things with Freed from the Real if you respond to her initial activation on the stack by Untapping and activating again for however much blue mana you have.

@capnsoapy 5 ай бұрын

Sasaya is one of my favourite "old" commanders; they can be a bit linear with how restrictive the flip condition is but tapping forests for 10+ mana is always fun

@kristopherlaws2438 5 ай бұрын

even though it is a few years after what you said for the time frame. I like Wort The Raid Mother. But I have a Scion deck as well and never though of the Nicol Bolos thing as well. but since those work as damage, would fling work as well for doing damage to make them discard

@ryanmather5665 5 ай бұрын

This is such an awesome video topic tysm for making this video!!

@BigDrew49 5 ай бұрын

Sol'kanar the Swamp King deserves honorable mention

@goelandz878 5 ай бұрын

Holy crap, Hua Tuo. Is by far my favorite commander. Hes so unique.

@TedMattos 5 ай бұрын

At 39:17 Murph's boyish giggle made me smile big!

@LMNHProductions 5 ай бұрын

Rachel! Gift of Doom belongs in Kelsien the Plague! It's fantastic in there

@Chaoslorden 5 ай бұрын

I've built a Oldschool Nicol Bolas deck using only cards legal in premodern. It is pretty unique I'd say! It has some old evil strategies but the only discard in the deck is Bolas himself. I see him as the evil scheming boss of the deck and he only enters the game when his plans or minions fail haha. I'm also going to build a new deck with him and all kinds of Evil characters that can join him. Kind of like a evil team avengers.

@theirishmanplays 5 ай бұрын

I believe that Conspiracy also can help with the Chainer deck so that none of the creatures are nightmares anymore since Conspiracy removes all other creature types

@Rabid_Wombat 5 ай бұрын

Dakkon Blackblade Voltron deserved a spot 😅

@depictiongames9758 5 ай бұрын

That nicol bolas combo with dragon tempest is going to completely break my scion reanimator deck holy crap

@moviesnapper 5 ай бұрын

Literally Googled this out of curiosity three days ago

@damo9961 5 ай бұрын

Nebuchadnezzar is an outlet for IsoRev. Good with Mind Over Matter and the One Ring.

@unwucht1529 5 ай бұрын

I don't know if this was errataed but Nicol Bolas only cares for damage, not combat damage. Might be a mean strategy to enchant it and make a pinger out of it. With untap effects your opponents won't ever have cards anymore. Even if they draw cards you can make them discard at instant speed. And, yeah, if that wasn't bad enough you can always try to get a Tergrid on board, as well.

@andrewcrookall7229 5 ай бұрын

Chainer and faceless butcher combo is great btw

@CAPTAINCHAOS_ 5 ай бұрын

HAKIIIIIIM! I own this deck. I always keep the deck box in my backpack because if I try to leave it at home it somehow finds it’s way into my backpack again. Following me. Taunting me. It’s cursed. I can’t take it apart even.

@Kazz1187 5 ай бұрын

love seeing the outro this time

@jacobroberson5669 5 ай бұрын

Beast Whisperer in the Druid deck is huge to keep the gas down. And he is a Druid.

@peterthompson4376 5 ай бұрын

I might have to see how busted Marton Stromgald is with Najeela the Blade Blossom, sounds like it could get scary fast.

@Creature1024 5 ай бұрын

1:25:09 Roaming Throne would be so gross. Double the activated abilities!

@Helios810 5 ай бұрын

Roaming Throne is only triggered abilities, so it wouldn’t work

@Creature1024 5 ай бұрын

Ah yes, my bad.

@manasplained 5 ай бұрын

I am making a series building every commander in order. Going through all the old cards has been super fun. One of my favs was Adun Oakenshield because of his synergies with channel, cycle and evoke creatures.

@nerdlabmtg 5 ай бұрын

Captain Sisay built around Horn of Gondor is super fun.

@SWNJim 5 ай бұрын

21:03 Soldevi Adnate lost the restriction when it was re-templated. The only cards that still have the timing restriction are Lion’s Eye Diamond, Diamond Lion, Rhystic Cave (which no one plays), and Charmed Pendant. 56:46 I use Márton Stromgald in my Queen Marchesa deck. I use damage redirect effects to keep him safe when I’m swinging in or blocking with my “stop hitting yourself” creatures.

@hermodnitter3902 5 ай бұрын

I play Rhystic Cave in Phelddagrif. Just sayin' :)

@SWNJim 5 ай бұрын

@@hermodnitter3902 I stand corrected. 🤣

@alexandergartner8877 5 ай бұрын

Cerulean Wisps is basically a strict upgrade over Refocus in a Merieke deck. But why not run both?

@mrTjstephens1 5 ай бұрын

Chainer is a favorite of mine!

@shayneweyker 5 ай бұрын

Hakim Loreweaver plays nice with Abduction (which can be defense or steal), Pemmin's Aura and Octopus Umbra. If you play Imprisoned In the Moon then you can blink that to put on Hakim in response to a mass wipe that hits enchantments and creatures (like say yur own Nevinyrral's Disk) . Moving auras around is probably not worth it. Matron can go less wide with extra combats with a new pump on each combat or copies of his triggered ability.

@DAsrada 5 ай бұрын

Angus Mckenzie i play as kind of a good stuff deck using Angus to cover my bases. A bunch of effects like Cryptolith Rite and Seedborn Muse

@piratecpnjack 5 ай бұрын

I used to have an Angus Mackenzie deck. I played it like a turbo fog deck cause I was bored. Wincon: Second Sun

@cannon0wood 5 ай бұрын

Bolas + Chandra's Ignition. Hit all opponents. No more hands and a board wipe.

@Prometheus5419 5 ай бұрын

I have played Seton and Dakkon for 5+ elves. Seton is VERY strong and comp

@nathannguyen9907 5 ай бұрын

Captain sisay hate bears is my pet deck. I love how difficult it is to play it although sometimes it’s too strong for some tables

@MultiRammstein1990 5 ай бұрын

I used sliver queen as my superfriends commander back then it was amazing and fun

@prototomtroy 5 ай бұрын

Nice Teddy Fresh, Rachel!

@zachblackwell7810 5 ай бұрын

As an Angus player, run all the fog cards in Bant and drop a Divine Intervention on the table…it’s really that easy

@gabriellecureux5528 5 ай бұрын

So I ended up building sissay nythos shrine to nyx most ly white devotion it has so cool

@ChrizzellJay 5 ай бұрын

I’ve wanted to make an Angus deck since I started playing but he’s too expensive!

@mrj3711 5 ай бұрын

Proxy one

@CAPTAINCHAOS_ 5 ай бұрын

When they’re THAT expensive and hard to find, a proxy is justified these days.

@Sweetguy1821 5 ай бұрын

Angus pillow fort deck looks fun but expensive indeed

@verlandes1 5 ай бұрын

I have an all old borders Commander Greven-il-Vec deck that is terrible and I love it.

@thebuttercottage526 5 ай бұрын

✨️I started playing in 2020 and appreciate this old school review. ✨️ *any chance of a vid on key vocabulary words for the newbies 😊

@chriselliott5539 5 ай бұрын

The thing they missed with Merieke is just making your board indestructible. You can untap her and "destroy" the creature but being indestructible they won't die and you don't lose control.

@mightyone3737 5 ай бұрын

I built an entire pod of Legends beaters, 1 of each colour pair, none of them being pricey. I made up some lore for each, but afaik the only one with actual lore in the game is Tobias Andrion, so my long distance telepath pot-head isn't canon afaik. Anyways, the decks are designed to be ~6 in power level, they skip most staples and go well out of their way to run weird cards, and each deck has it's own game plan. Only 1 is a combo deck, and only two have useful tutors. Each deck is designed to have Vorthos elements to it, the cards represent the character's true abilities, combining the power level restriction with the vorthos ones (cards have to 'make sense' in context of the roleplay for the deck, this definitely means some real suspect cards get included for flavor) result in decks that are subbornly hard to power creep. They are meant to be played against each other, but they can be played vs other decks, most of them are fine vs 7s, and 1v1 they can be surprisingly scary, using Commanders that offer very little synergy elements to exploit result in a LOT of space for 'role filler' cards, so these decks are some of my more responsible ones. I think most/all of the decks have alternative Commanders in the 99 you can just switch up if people feel weird playing against a 5 mana 4/4 vanilla (for example).

@grillburgerdaq5121 5 ай бұрын

My Karona deck smacks so much face. It’s my favorite deck by far. Wish you would’ve had a segment on her. I could talk for a long time about what makes her special. Also, I’m not saying it’s good, but I do own a Purraj of Urborg deck. I have combat tricks and a lot of ramp and try to activate her ability and put counters on her. It’s slow and easy to upend but I love it all the same.

@serdna901 5 ай бұрын

Any chance you can share a link to your decklist? I built her a couple years ago as a goad deck but my build was wildly inconsistent

@grillburgerdaq5121 5 ай бұрын

@@serdna901 is the primary focus to goad opponent’s creatures? Because Karona might not be the best commander for that. You need to goad her the turn she comes in, or have some way to block her if you don’t. My build is based entirely on goading Karona. If I goad other things along the way that’s great. But Karona is the primary focus. Karona herself is of no help if the goal is goading opponent’s creatures.

@SWNJim 5 ай бұрын

How did you build yours? I went with a Voltron build. Unfortunately, I haven’t moved the deck list over to Moxfield yet.

@paytheonemtg 5 ай бұрын

Wanting to build a Nicol Bolas deck right now

@GustavoAccorsi 7 сағат бұрын

Please share

@paytheonemtg 6 сағат бұрын

@@GustavoAccorsi we might do that in an upcoming episode 🤗

@zramirez5471 3 ай бұрын

Nicol Bolas makes me want Wizards to create a Taunt mechanic

@JohnnyBoy-wi4kn 5 ай бұрын

Love the Bolas card, I'm building a Bolas Commander deck that has ALL the Bolas cards and any cards related to him though thinking about switching to a Dragon Grixis

@raiderdevellian5752 5 ай бұрын

Already got one. Turned into a commander last year but I already had a 70 card deck with every Bolas in existence. Just added 30 more

@JohnnyBoy-wi4kn 5 ай бұрын

@@raiderdevellian5752 nice, feels like it'd going to be one mean deck

@raiderdevellian5752 5 ай бұрын

@@JohnnyBoy-wi4kn well it's worked very well in my playgroups. They said it's a high powered deck. In fact it doesn't lose a lot. So I'm definitely proud of it

@DrOmnipotent 5 ай бұрын

I remember Captain Sisay from the Paradox Engine days o_o

@myramini188 5 ай бұрын

I just realised 'Seton' is 'Notes' backwards and I can't unsee it.

@Shank40 5 ай бұрын

My personal favorite is Halfdane!

@danielgoldberg2129 5 ай бұрын

Game Knights in Chicago? Guess I picked the wrong week to go to Antarctica! 😂😂😂

@andrewpeli9019 5 ай бұрын

I’d build a slivers deck if it weren’t for all the combo shenanigans. It’s a very cool tribe but your threat level is going to be very high if you sit down at a pod and pull out a 5 color sliver commander.

@mygalsiii 5 ай бұрын

just get Cryptic Gateway for your sliver queen, Recycle for your druidballs, Martin just wants Aggravated Assaults and trample buff for the team... vigilance would be decent too for those who choose to use that planeswalker for his emblem.