Anon Ymous Wait til you see my deck built around Stasis and Limited Resources. LD is for chumps.

LR is banned, most people don't play with it.

I find the shaming around LD to be immature and unsportsmanlike. It’s a legitimate means of controlling some pretty OP cards (I’m looking at you Gaea’s Cradle). Removal in all its glorious forms should be given the respect it deserves.

Andrew Hendrix Land destruction to control powerful lands is one thing. Land destruction to say that your opponent just doesnt even get to play the game is whats shunned. Are you telling me that if your EDH experience was reduced to "draw, pass" (because every time you play a land, your opponent snipes it) that you'd be having fun?

Well they've won at that point. You continuing to play the whole thing out is not their fault.

Yeah, that'd be cool. I think they've done some videos on mono-colored staples a loooooong time ago.

@@JpDubbed The Professor did this from mono to 5 color a long while ago.

Basically Release to the Wind but for spells on the stack

I mean there's already a card called Reroute

The thing is, if we go wih the "Recast that spell"-route, the caster could choose new targets, which might be another upside apart from basically rewriting the stack.

Probably rename it to "Renege" and leave out the "immediatly" for the templating ;) There might be a way to restrict the targets but i think it would be a more well-designed card without it while still doing basicly the same unless you start to pair it with blue cards. Otherwise you might consider lowering the cost to RR because of the cards narrowness. Sounds like it should be costed like "Fork".

downside would be any X costs or alternative or additive costs with different effects..

That’s a cool interaction! Thanks for speaking about it :)

Deck Deck, On the wall, who is the jankest of them all

It DOES however affect the entire table, so things can get very crazy very quickly if you're not careful.

True, but that sounds pretty great to me.

Sounds like a group hug deck's dream.

wheel of fortunes make dream halls fun

I run it in the Mimeoplasm to fill my yard with huge dudes, while cheating huge dudes out. Symmetrical effects at their finest

The hero we dont need, but that we deserve.

True hero

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Simon van Houdt most M25 cards have the watermark of the set they were first printed in. Azusa is an example.

Steal is not in white. Color pie.

What about nyxathid?

I love that card, but I'm always feeling bad for putting Eldrazi-flavored cards in decks that don't feel like they would be willing to use Eldrazi. X)

Great catch!

I caught that too.

Actually they spoiled Jace, the mindscultpor, murder, phyrexian obliterator, and Azusa, Lost but Seeking.

The list of spoilers is out

I'll be coming here when M25 is released to tell you that you were right

I run waste not in my nekusar wheel of fortune deck but I think megrim, liliana's caress, and sangromancer are better if u play a ton of wheels not to say waste not is bad at all

What I don't like about those cards is the fact that the effect is damage. Waste not cheats you mana, which is great in black, and it creates tokens if you need to sacrifice things. I can see a scenario where you cycle with the cards you listed and win because they deal damage, and obviously that effect is strong in nekusar-esque decks, but since a lot of decks are looking to cheat mana to set up an engine that goes infinite, waste not is the go-to.

Everyone knows about waste not :D

aggressivli I think in higher power playgroups people do

I've literally just made a PotM EDH deck.

Thank you! I always look for this comment.

Yeah me too - the intro is so annoying

Fuck of shithead.

Of is off

Thanks

tyvm

You are an absolute LEGEND

Good man

I'm always looking for a comment like this. Thanks.

Thank you. 7 minutes of bs gets old

Every deck my son and I run has them, as does the rest of our playgroup.

Yeah. We've been using them for decades, even before EDH was a thing. We've always played multi-player so a two-mana rock that usually makes any color is almost always good.

total cost is 10 mana which can be easily gotten in commander with some rocks and some crypt ghasts

Larsooz correct

They can if he's a creature in the deck, instead of a commander. He can go well in an orzhov token deck, iirc.

yeah, that's a fun one. You just need to get a way to give it vigilance for all the wurm fun.

Or Lure. That is my favorite way to win.

omg lol, sell all your murders now before the price tanks!

felix billington thank you for that. Their intros have been ridiculously long for a while now

My first time watching. Seems like they just find some jank cards with lots of key words and mention that you can buy them through an affiliate store. At least you saved me from the ridiculous singing :)

Fuck off shit head.

@@paulr9562 The say that so their sponsere's give them money for supporting them.

Guisseppi Fresh you been watching roblox meme videos?

I completely agree on Sidisi - she's in 14% of 120575 decks listed on edhrec - J&J are just plain wrong. However, their point about the partners was valid. People are still pretty unsure about using them, largely because they are not valued for the key points J&J frequently mention on these shows. e.g. that you get 2 solid early drops that are not auto-hate generators - which is critical in many commander metas. And as for the listed commanders, you gotta know you are wrong... but just in case: Toshiro -- 227 decks Numot -- 254 decks Varolz -- 374 decks Iname - 82 decks Perhaps you define "underrated" as something other than how commonly the card is used as a commander, but surely you are reasonable enough to admit those are low numbers and that low usage for powerful commanders is a part of what should qualify something as underrated. As for Dralnu, you are probably right, and mainly because most people wont read past her first sentence. But I'm sure there are scores of commanders they could have listed as well. The four they chose were interesting, and covered a lot of different strategies. That's sorta the point of these shows.

Underrated as in, they are not rated appropriately for what they do. I've played with Toshiro and tried to build decks around him and tried to work him into commander decks that care about recasting instants and sorceresses. He just doesn't work all that well. You need a way to start the repeated removal and once you do that it becomes "Why not just us an easier method of removal in mono black commander?". Numot isn't underrated either. Players are adverted to using land destruction. It has nothing to do with him being underrated in this case and everything to do with people's emotional reaction to LD. Its not that people are underrating LD, its that they're overrating it and see it as too much of a degenerate strategy. I've seen Varolz a few times. He's fine, but the issue with Varolz is it burns itself quickly for a Golgari deck. Which isn't something you want. Golgari isn't a voltron color and he doesn't work that great as a sac outlet compared to other golgari commanders. His cost is a bit step for a strategy that is very fragile, even with his regenerate ability. If you're going to play Golgari, why not pick a general who has more resilience long game? Iname, again we have one that is very narrow. As a commander, why not just use Sidisi or Razaketh? Both of them just act as repeatable tutors that can get you anything you need.While Iname is good in Spirit decks, It just doesn't have the number of good targets in mono black. Nirkana Revenant being the most notable one I can think of, which is a $20 card that not everyone is going to have access to. So, My point is that I don't see them as underrated. They seem to be rated appropriately to their tech. Not saying they're bad, just that you have far better options.

in compettive the best/default partner is thrasios/tymna

agreed

are you the cobblepot on the cedh reddit?

You're thinking of 6:41

just wrong

Nah, I like watching their content enough to not skip the beginning. I personally find it in bad taste to jump on their videos and tell people to skip part of the content. ;)

Thanks for sharing your holier-than-thou sentiments

You're Welcome. :) Thank for being an ass. :)

next time, shitpost less and watch more :)

Eric Pelletier Heliod killed Elspeth, who wants his love? His love is a spear through the chest.

I would also appreciate an end to the singing. But I do accept that I am a grumpy bugger.

Don't listen to this heresy. The singing is awesome. Don't change a thing.

Squall Line is an instant speed Hurricane, too.