First off, you're a good Blacksmith. I know the "UPSETER MACHINE" We had 3 of them at the small steel parts factory I used to work for. Second: CLEAN THE UPSETTER FIRST, clean all the gunk out in it's jaws and in front of the "PUSHING RAM" THREE: The pistons and shafts should be almost polished, the "Drop" will be much smoother. Fourth: The oiler system must be drained and totally clean to let the machines hydrolic system do it's part. Fifth: Find out the compessd air it needs, it may cycle but not will it's full holding force before the "pushing ram" does it's part. It could push the part right back at you. Sixth: The controller is very picky when its Between forward and reverse, make sure it's passages are CLEAN. Seven: The dye jaws look like they have been welded around, check the welds it COULD spit the part right back to you. It's a common thing when the UPSETTER upsets you! It was used to make large rivits as on a ship. In short the UPSETTER is not junk You just have to go by the book. Maybe Ingersoll still may have the manual. Take a shot, can't hurt. Good luck.

If you haven’t figured it out yet oil should go in the reservoirs where there was the wicking material. A lot of older machines get ruined when people try to grease those fitting cause the look like zerks but are actually for pressure oil guns.

Given the proper air supply at a steady rate I think it would be an absolute beast. Just a matter of weather you can supply it with that volume of air without it costing you a fortune. It would be great for hardy tools and probably a lot of other tooling as well. You have to think about weather you want to start making and selling blacksmithing tools. Good luck Tim!

Im in agreement with Tom Mian on the cleaning and inspecting. Also diging in to a user/manufacturers guide for specs and capabilities will definitely benefit you in the long run as well as give you idea of what all you can make with it. Ultimately the decision is yours. Keep up doing awesome work and you making videos

Add another air tank reserve and try a larger and dedicated airline to the machine. Also, clean up internals and polish moving parts, pistons, etc.

One of my favorite channels.

Wow , big and heavy duty !! From experience running a jackhammer this is my guess . When forging a bit the red hot hex shaft is slid through the die in the front and into the hex hole in the back cylinder . It is then clamped down and while still red hot the cylinder holding the shaft moves towards the die creating the collar on the bit that holds it in the jackhammer . The clamping bolts in the front could be for dies to make the spike , wedge ,and other ends on the bit . Ohh ya , you will need a monster compressor for the beast .

Just finished watching the episode. Keep the upsetting machine, use it to crank out hammer heads and sell them to other blacksmiths to build up revenue to refurbish it proper. Rest assured, you give that ol' rig a once over and a shine, and it'll be a welcome asset to your shop.

Rent a jackhammer compressor. That'll show you what it can really do.

No way, dude set it up, love to see more. Subscribed.

I just wanna know what is being censored behind that pixelation

Cool older machine but I don't know how much value it will have in a modern setting without major modifications and custom dies. It was obviously meant to run repetitive runs of the same item in larger quantities, so it may not be easy to justify shop space for such a machine if your generally building one-of type items. Over the years I bought many old machines like that, some worked out great, other's not so much. As time went on I learned to stick to the basics in the shop and learn to make those machines work for your needs. Never by someone else's specialized machine unless your working on the same specialty item unless that machine is easily adaptable to what you do the most of.

If you keep it, I would like to see the process you took from the serious clean down/ degreasing to disassembling and polishing up the rams to stripping out the run plates and then re-assemby and maybe a paint job.

I would like to see more of this machine operating !

Who else can’t concentrate on the video because you are mesmerised by the blurred part trying to workout what it is and why it’s being blurred out? Sorry what did you say I missed that?🤔

The covers you took off with the tubes coming up are usually oilers. The cord looking material is packing that lets the oil wick to where ever it has to go.

Once the machine is fixed up. Have a air tank right next to the machine big enough to do one part, with a big line between the tank and the machine only. The idea is the tank acts as a kind of capacitor, slowly filling up, but quickly doing one part. If you do not need a lot of production of course. Otherwise run a large air line. I'm just an architect but I do know some plumbing engineering.

You are getting some serious knowledgeable replies here.....wait another week for more and your answer will become clear.

Going to punch a hole in your slab😂 more concrete! That thing is rad🤘🏼

Blacksmith from wales Uk here that was wonderful ide do a complete refurbish, what a great tool i was thinking a few years ago of rigging up a pneumatic jack hammer for upsetting , looks like im 100 years to late lol , just think you can mass produce rail road spikes now for all the ""knife makers"" in the states lol

not enough air and probably half of the air is leaking past hardened seals that need replacing.

'Serious shut down' You ain't kidding. Freaking awsome machine.

That thing is AWESOME!!! If you can find out where to get the dies in different shapes and sizes and mabey set it up so you can run it with the back piston turned "off", you basically have a machine that can make bar stock in whatever shape you want. Mabey have a chat to Fireball Tools about a collaboration with his HUGE shaper?

Very kewl machine. As for use, new plumbing, different dies and a need for repeatability are in the answer...

The upsetter part is real impressive

Acorn to Arabella is using bronze rivets to hold the planking to the frames. They are making their own using a hand pump hydraulic press. This tool puts heads on stock. Who needs heads on stock that they can't get from a catalog? Who needs custom shaped heads on stock? Etc, etc. Find this answer and you find a NEED. Needs make money. It could make you money or it could be scrap metal... up to you.

Wow, that thing is awesome. You, of all the people on KZfaq, can probably pull this off easier than most. The most awesome compressor I ever saw was a V8 motor and 1 of the banks was a running like an Inline-4 motor, the other bank had (I was told, I didn't see it) the exhaust cam lobes ground for extremely low lift, short duration, and it was apparently a cam that you could buy off-the-shelf at some time. The header had a big pipe union welded onto it. The engine-side intake manifold looked like a factory I4 manifold, which must have been a major time-saver (Or, maybe it came as a kit with the cam?). The intake of the compressor side was a very crude log manifold welded up out of pipe with an air filter hanging off one end. There's probably a more clever way to divide a manifold so you can use the same air filter and a 2bbl carb. IMHO, you could just remove the exhaust valves entirely and weld up the hole in the head, and use a flap valve in the header at each cylinder. Maybe even actual compressor rebuild parts. You'd be doing real well to get over 90 PSI (especially on a junkyard motor), but you'd easily get over 200 CFM - depending on motor displacement and how hard you want to spin it. Big CFM is how that beast wants to roll.

You can make Hardy tools on that machine ooooojaaaa ⚒️👊⚒️ Pat from Belgium

The century of this upsetting Machine is very lucky. When it is in your hands. Thank you. Sivakumar. DME.Herritage Black smith Artison from Tamilnadu. India.

It definitely has a use.. Repeatability 👈 If you need to make a ton of the same thing, gear up on dies and blanks ready to go, rent a diesel powered compressor for a day and Rock and Roll 👊👊🍻

It appears that the machine is limited by low volume of air supply and by a single set of dies... but you are not limited by lack of ingenuity sirSir. We can see a future where you have made dies more conducive to your work flow needs and the machine happily waits for the next time its needed reshaping hot steel to need. Perhaps a hot cut on the hammer end for splitting or a shaper to create a shape or rounding die to create a ball end. Though not infinite, the possibility is real given your curiosity and ingenuity. Congratulations on finding a machine that is that serviceable of that age. 🙏Blessings abundant sirSir Crawford out 🧙‍♂️

You need a road mender's compressor to keep up with that beast.

Oh, I see, it makes gigantic nails or rivets! Yes, keep it! (If I'm not too late.)

I could see making hammers easily with that.

I can see definite potential with different sized dies. Especially if dies could be added to the ram end.

Wow. Looks like it needs some love.

Thats the oiler on the other side of the grease well, its a wicking oil well sort of like the ones in old metal lathes.

Can't wait to see what you come up with.

Try renting a tow behind compressor that is meant for a jackhammer or a large sandblaster. 140 or 200 CFM type. That will let you know the full capability of your machine.

Martin wants to watch so bad, haha

You should use a expansion tank and just hook a 2” line to the expansion tank

I would check the piston seals before scrapping it, Could it have been steam powered ? Great work.

Any update on the machine and how you got it working for you?

Ingersoll Rand has some great quality equipment.

I just would have contacted ingersoll rand pretty sure they would send you a manual even if pdf better than flying blind

Go look at hard rock drill bits. This machine is set up to make heads on them. Some are saying that it's not made to form with the clamp dies, and while I tend to agree, I see a round slot on the other side that looks more like it's made for forming. Also, those bits take a honking beating so it wouldent surprise me if this has been used to fix the shafts a few times. The drill steels start out long, like 8' and then they get shorter as you use them up. A mine needs everything from 8" bits to the 8' bits, so a machine like this was vital. It let the Smith cut the bar stock down and form it at whatever needed length. You are starving the hell out of this machine. The "tank" underneath is literally just capacity to run the big ram once and start the upsetter. With your current airflow, you're closing the die and immediately at half power. If you want an idea of what it's capable of now that you know it sort or runs, find a buddy with a thankless air compressor trailer or rent one and hook it up and try it. It'll give you a way better idea of what it's capable of than why you're doing now. In engine terms, you got it to idle because you soaked a rag in gasoline and stuck it in the air box. That's how bad you're starving it. I recommend doing a light service on it by changing out hydraulic oil and whatnot, and then run it again by renting a proper compressor before making *any* decision. All you know is that it cycles. If you need to know where to get a tankless compressor, it's the kind that runs a jackhammer. Call ahead and find out what fittings they use and you can be running within 5 minutes of pulling into your driveway with it. My guess is that you're running it pretty empty on the oil side of things, and getting its fluids sorted out and adding a titch of lube into the air supply will probably help the power out a lot too

That's one sweet machine! 🤤

That machine would make short work of making rail spikes with right dies.

OH YOU SON OF A- I immediately got that title whenever you told us what it was great clickbait title though for people who didn't know what it was

Ya that's a really cool paperweight ya got there

Try looking for the following publication: Details about Ingersoll Rand I-R Drill Steel Sharpeners, Care & Operations Manual 1944 I saw a few copies going on eBay for USD38.00

Should be able to set it up to hot cut, rough die, final die and upset in 4 strokes with the right die sets made up. Gonna need tons of air! Could be cool if you have repetitive tasks, could work up a drifting sequence, lots of neat things could be done

Now that was riveting. Need a bigger compressor

Whoa this thing is full on! It would be cool to get some round dies as well...

I do stone work and those old mining chiseles are awesome i would keep that machine you’ll never find another like that

Hello, have you thought about greasing and OILING IT, it looks like its dry, yes you will need a bigger AIR LINE. Have you thought of looking on line how much air this machine takes to do its job and any information on it. Interesting machine hope you can find a use for it. Geoff Lewis, Wales, UK.

If you had someone in your shop making hardies and maybe blanks for tong halved this would be an amazing way to maximize shop profit. I totally volunteer.

You could use it to make tie down bolts for shed foundations.

Just traded my 4Runner for a truck. 4Runner had 231,000 miles on it. I thought it was time to retire it and get something that could pull two ATV's without working to hard. How many miles on your 4Runner?

If you load trailers over the axles there's alot less weight on the hitch

i think the other spots are for shaping the blank theres a vid on youtube on forged parts and they would take a blank and at full pressure it will take a white hot almost forging temp and the first one makes a pree forme and net gets you closer then that upset is the last or second to the last last might be trimming die ggot it suplyed with full pressure and see what it will do

For making rock drills isn't it?

That thing is awesome. I say hook it up and use it.

I bet that could be adapted for all kinds of repetative production work but dies might cost a bomb to have them made. Looks very interesting tho and exciting

My dad would work with this press at his job he could tell you how to run it but my dad is no longer walking this earth this is why we need craftsmen instead of kids playing video games

Bro tune it in and you got a sweet Tool, i wonder if you could make dies for it for different shapes, either way its cool

I really like this and want one ! Lol. No Rome for it and costs too much if I could even find one

First things First, Always clean your new machines of all dirt ,oil,& other matter not needed to operate it outside Before you bring it into it's New Home ,Much easier to see any problems & to Fix/ Work on ! MISSOURI PAUL, Great Site ...

Operate slow and let the hammer do the job. Looks like the rear ram is to far away. Looks like it can make All thread into a Carrage bolt!

On and no matter what you want to put that on either an isolated piece of concrete or springs I bet anything that could vibrate cracks into your floor over the long term just like a big power hammer

I saw one of these today in Hobart. Was damn tempted to get it, even my gf said I should get it, but... I'm not sure it would fit in the downstairs garage...

Look Ma, I made a really thick short spike!

The major factory like benefit I see is you have a mill and a large for die making. With a dedicated machine operator/tender you could really turn repeatability into money. From your own line of tools to custom parts orders this thing is money in the bank provided you have someone work it all day while you two work other stuff

Damn! I don't know where you live (guessing the U.S.A?) but how did this thing get from where I am to where you are? (I know Ingersoll is a big company but still...) Cheers! From Montreal, Qc, Canada ;) Love you work By the Way! I really wish I could find someone willing to Teach me Blacksmithing, mostly for Knife/Sword, etc Bladesmithing in other words, I have a particular affinity with Authentic Japanese Blades, but at this point I'd settle for normal Blacksmithing of Quality Blades! Sadly, I'm not sure where or how to get into the business since there aren't many Storefronts if at all, in Montreal I haven't seen a knifemaker yet so I'm wondering if there is a trick and especially to get an apprenticeship... Thanks in advance! Fred.

As long as you have the Air available to run it, an I.R. Hammer will bring you fame, and fortune.

seems like if i could get the air to it i would keep it, but i don't have a press or power hammer.

what would you use it for? thanks for posting

I wondered why all the cars were going so FAST! I had “adjusted” my attitude while on the beach. And accidentally hit the button changing dash from mph to kph.

I feel dumb.. watching the whole thing waiting for what was so upsetting about it... only just registered in my brain at the end :p :)

Most American drill steel is 1" Hex for jackleg machines. your machine can with the proper dies form the collar on the drill steel And then fitted with other dies to form the tapered end to install the drill bits. The learning curve with this machine is to keep the collared or tapered ends concentric with the steel. You have a good handle on the operation you are rite on the money with the blow to clear the scale from the die. we would heat to temperature put the steel into the machine after blowing the dies of scale clamp the head down, upset the collar release the clamp pull the steel toward you placing the now upset collar into its cavity in the die now with force bring the head down, Bang, Bang, Bang now with each whack you are turning the steel to centralize the collar. One thought I am not there to see the machine, I could not see the full die. To me, it looks like it is full length 1" Hex with no provision for the collar once it has been upset. we also upset the ends to be machined to the thread that the mine was using. And I believe this is how your machine is set up. In Canada, we use mostly 7/8" Hex steel. Play Safe From Elliot Lake Ontario Canada.

not sure how that made jack hammer bits, the upset for the collar should be somewhere towards the middle of the bar shouldn't it, not the end? can you rob air from your power hammer cylinder? no way a standard air compressor is going to keep the air up to that bad boy.

This thread beats Reddit hands down.

Make a new die for 1" square stock and use it to make hardie blanks.

What Do you think? What would you use this machine for in your shop?

I see where Grant got the inspiration for the KA hammers

keep it and play with it.

For crying out loud, buy a book on rigging-

Honestly if it takes a 2" air line and you're using a 1/2" you're obviously not using it as intended. Like using a mapp hand torch to heat a piece of 2" round stock. Sure it works and you can get it there eventually but it's not ideal.

The second was hydrolic oil very likely.

Get your air volume up, you can always use more air! Then if you see no use for it sell it. Someone out there will want it!

i think you should ask yourself long term "do i really need this? how often am i really gonna use this? how much will it cost me to make it fully operational+repairs?" tho i didnt know this tools existed so i cant really give much input other than the general generic stuff. it wasnt an impulse purchase, right? personally from what ive seen, to me this doesnt seem very useful, too much for too little. you have a power hammer, i think that can do the same and more, with the right dies?

Category of entertainment is apt...

I am fairly new to watching your content and while you are capable of making your own decisions, I would say this; are you a fabrication company or an artistic smith? Depends on what you do more. The first video of yours that I watched was fabricating bronze, so if that is what you do (not just video stuff but normally) then this machine will/can come in handy. Or are you just a content creator like Alex Steele; just mainly making stuff for views? Because if so then spend a few hours cleaning this up and sell this for a tad more than you bought it for and reinvest. All the best to you and yours!

I don't know alot about machines like that however I would say it all depends on is what it will bring to your shop really worth the trouble that you are going to have to put into it? If it''s something that you are going to use alot or can make your life easier then yeah it's worth it but if it's just something that you might use once in a blue moon and the job can be done with another machine that you already have then it really isn't worth it. But that's just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions :)

I'd keep it. & learn everything you can about the tool.

Seems like a tool that's entirely too specialized for one thing to be of much use in a blacksmithing shop. I suppose a guy could machine new dies for the clamp, perhaps with a machined recess to forge the upset into, or even machine interchangeable shapes into the upsetting punch to do more than just make a mushroom on the end of hex stock. For example, replace the hex inserts with square inserts, machine an off-center recess on the upset side, and then an oval dome for the upsetting punch to rapidly create a railroad spike. Again, not really something flexible enough for a blacksmith shop as you'd have to be making literal tons of those pieces and a wall of punches and dies to make other parts in order for it to be a useful tool on a daily basis.

what are you trying to accomplish with this upsetting machine

I think you spent a ton of money on it, and if you don't make it useful, you've failed. Don't fail. Make it happen.

bigger lines for sure and closer to the tanks, might look for a owners manual

need bigger air hose try an 2" hose