Same. No clue what sorta dummies downvote this stuff.

@@ChrisKilzer 👍

Better to have a bailout gear and never use it especially if you're buying only one cassette for all purposes. If you're in the 10t you would actually be better off super tucking or doing a supertuck based position if you're in a UCI competition

@@jason200912 Those cassettes are for mtb, there is no "super tucking" going on. UCI banned those positions... If you have a XC racing bike, you probably own other bikes that fit different purposes and that 51tooth gear might be helpful there. You get better spacing for racing application after the 28th tooth : - 10-45 : 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32-36-40-45 - 10-51 : 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-33-39-45-51

@@pbenjlo i think you know well that most civillian cyclists arent pro athletes under UCI regulations.

@@jason200912 Then why you bringing "supertuck" to the convo mate? Is this something you like to do when competing against yourself on your local trail ?

@@pbenjlo yes. it's faster than pedalling if you've ever been on a well kept bike trail

@@LoveMTB thank you for sharing all good information with us.

Now Im a bit confused. Did you manage to operate XT M8000 SGS with M5100 cassette without the goatlink? Everyone claims that you need to use RD-M5100 with M5100 cassette or 12 speed ones and that 11 speed XT M8000 is not compatible with 51 tooth large cog. Please can you make it clear? I guess if it works for you it does work.

@@digitalkovik Yes, I use xt m8000 sgs with m5100 11-51t without goatlink or any rd hanger extender. People say that a lot of things will not work but it work.

@@LoveMTB M5100 cassette pairs with Deore RD-M5100 as per Shimano. As you are mentioning in your video it works with all 12 speed RDs. It looks like it works with 11 speed RD-M8000 CG, but I was wondering if we set it for largest gear, vould it not be too far from lower gears? Therefore hard to setup to work reliably? One thing is if it works with no load in the garrage and the other if it works on trail.

@@digitalkovik I did not install any additional extender, I just kept my RD and instal M5100 cs 11-51, new chain cn hg601 and chainring 32T m8000

When you say the new one do you mean the m8100?

@@Lee-ic2yn yes, and an update to the m8000, it doesn't handle a 12 cassette well, doesn't have enough side to side range, and a 12s cassette has the biggest cog even slightly more inwards than 11s.

Doesn't he MicroShift Advent X already do that? 10 speed, and 48T.

@@georgedaswani9155 11-48T not 9-48T ... Getting closer though, and Box is close too.

I don't think you can get things much lighter as the Garbaruk cassette's Apart from using titanium. E13 has 9-46 and other 9tooth cassette's tho. Speaking of making your own... Next month i will try to remake the one up mini cluster with shimano spare cogs for the 12spd. i hope that this will work.... Well first parts must be back in stock😬

Unfortunately that doesn't exist in the MTB world today

did it work?

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How about a tiny chainring? 26 or 28tooth?

Did you tried this? I'm planning on using this route, I'll need to get a micro spline rear hub, the cassette and shifter but at least I'll be saving on the derailleur as I'll be reusing my still very crisp m9000.

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A lot of climbs and long climbs are not the same thing, for my local trails I could happily live with a 11-36 cassette even and 32t ring, however that would mean always springting to the top or very low cadence for riding more slowly, that doesn't work for real mountains, I want my bike to work both on flat ground (top speed I don't care about, I don't pedal downhill or race with cars) and to be able to climb for an hour @15% grade, and I'm no world class athlete obviously. Imo 11s is enough gears for good spacing, unfortunately the companies have to find a way to sell you new stuff, so instead of a nicely spaced 11s with 10t smallest cog we got a complete new groupset with a higher pricetag and "not backwards compatible"

If you already have an 11spd rd you can indeed save a lot of money.

@@LoveMTB is it true that Shimano is coming out with a 13 speed cassette soon?

@@LoveMTB 🤣 only on the uphill when im struggling to breath and keep pedaling hahahaha

Can't wait!🙃

Did you use the 51T marker on your RD to line up with the 45T when adjusting the b-gap or did you use other measurement?

Depends on your Terrain i would say.

@@LoveMTB Yea indeed. Both do matter 😃

I consider myself a weekend warrior and I do use the 10T cog when taking the street or gravel riding with a fast group often.

@@LoveMTB if you already have an XT 11spd its better to spend $35 on that and put the rest in a nice big cassette.

@@LoveMTB many thanks

@@LoveMTB Yeah its expensive but cheaper if you already have a 12 speed derailleur. I believe the only reason that it is so expensive is because one of the plates is carbon. The outer plate (carbon) cost 90 USD while the inner plate (aluminum) is 10USD. I am running the XT 10-45 with the RD-M8120

Why not a 11-50t 12s for regular hubs with a larger chairing in the front? That's what I'm using, just do the math online to see what matches the 10-45 gearset

@@ricardog4459 because I have that setup now bro -_- yes the range is the same, but if I could have same range with smaller front chainring, smaller cassette and in turn shorter chain with shorter cage, I'd take it. Old Shimano 11-46 had atrocious gear spacing and Sunrace also had it's issues. What I have now works better than previous Sunrace, but I'm worried about the longass cage not surviving a season, as seen in this video with 27.5 wheel it reaches almost to the ground.

@@piciu256 wow i never had that issue but I'm riding 29. Never thought about wheel size. Good luck

there is a 10 speed microshift 11 48 cassette 424g 65€ , I use that with rd m5100 and sl m4100 w/o display

@@sebastiengiovannelli8556 there is also a 50$ Shimano m5100 11-51 11s, I'm running it now, but if it were not for the expensive microspline, I'd be running the 10-45 with an m8000 mid cage derailleur.

Shifter dictates it as long as the derailleurs are built for the same cable pull

@@LoveMTB Would it be good idea to mix 12 speed shimano XT shifter, 12 s cassete 10-45t and 12 s chain XO with M6000 Deore cranks with aftermarket Deckas chainring (specified as 7-12 speed)?

@@LoveMTB thank you for replay. Yes, have seen video in link provided couple months ago. Have found some good option for Garbaruk chainrings. It says "Compatible with all 9,10,11-speed chains, 12-speed SRAM Eagle, KMC, Shimano HG+ chains". So I guess Shimano chain is also an option. Just not sure SLX, XT or XTR level to choose. Or to stick with Sram XO option..

@@LoveMTB yes, Garbaruk page says it is compatible with Shimano 12 s Hyperglide+ chains. So may be ok :)

i have a 12s derailleur with long cage on my 26 inch bike. works fine, almost touches the ground though lol. Well not quite, havent had any issue so far.

@@Ropetable I still have 3x9 sram X.0 on one of my bikes ^^ Thinking about fun project for this summer. I was going to use shimano xt/ deore 1x11. I'll consider 1x12 with this hack.

@@pchlars5666 sounds great. The 1x12 Shimano cassettes are the best thing i ever shifted. The hyperglide plus on the 12s lets you shift under load, and results in always smooth shifts. just because of that i would go 12s. That hack is a great solution for you :D

That’s interesting to know I thought the cage had to be longer for 12 speed so it didn’t go into the cassette trying to clear large 51t gear.

@@woduk it's more about the chain slack on the smallest cog than anything, top clearance is adjustable.

Just curious where would you use the 51/52 in the city?

@@LoveMTB we got 10-25% grades in cities. Only small towns have the luxury of flat elevations

@@jason200912 Got it!

Yes and no, had them both in my hands

@@LoveMTB YES, train that face ! Ha ha ha

@@LoveMTB that's the spirit! Ha ha ha That would be freaky, we don't want to scare regular viewers / subscribers. Although that movie with Brad Pitt was very successful 😄 Infants however are not known for their MTB knowledge, so do not go that route! 😅 "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button"

@@LoveMTB I like the looks of the SLX, it reminds me of the XTR M950 in some way.

@@LoveMTB I found this video, it looks ok, but someone in the comments contradicted the performance running 12speed GS Derailleur with 10-51T cassette. So, not 100% certain it would work. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p591eJeY28vIoIU.html

Ok, so I should look for the same cassette to match original or move mine back and forth.

@@LoveMTB well I guess I'll just go deore m5100 all the way for the 11speed. Thanks

@@LoveMTB thank you for this. Also, I found out that the distance between the middle of the guide to the 51T mark is 46mm which is the required distance of rd for 2x (m7120sgs) as stated in the manual

It’s definitely good enough for a lot of people…

@@LoveMTB just barely, I have to force the shifter onto the first gear, and the derailleur has nowhere further to go

@@LoveMTB it's not the range itself, that's supported well, it's about the width of the cassette itself, the largest cog is pushed a little more inside than it was with 11s, it's right at the edge of possible derailleur travelit may be that my frame exaggerates the issue just a little (chick derailleur hanger) compared to some others.

@@LoveMTB the issue is with the angle at which the cable is pulled, the derailleur can be moved more inward by hand, but it cannot be pulled any further by the shifter, anyway, I see the same thing in your case, so you can check it for yourself. As I said, it does work, but just barely.

Btw. I always start with the end adjuster screw (to aid with setting cable tension), index the cassette and then set the limiter screws to barely touch when in either end of the range, starting with the limiter screws could present some issues sometimes.

Actually doesn't have much tighter ratios. 10 speed 11-36: 11-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32-36 12 speed 10-45: 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-36-40-45 Almost identical spacing other than the 10 tooth small cog

@@tomdeller6795 im not comparing 10 to 12 speed. I went from a 10 speed 1x with 32 front and 11-42 rear to what I have listed and there is a difference. Otherwise Id go back to 1x.

@@tomdeller6795 You have to consider the chainring as well, not just the cassette teeth in the back. A two tooth change at the cassette has almost a 50% bigger jump when matched with a 32 1x chainring rather than a 22 lower 2x chainring. It's easier to see when you look at it in gear inches on a gear calculator. It's one of the advantages that 2x can still have.

@@LoveMTB That's what I want to do, but I don't want to change the wheel freehub. : / Just hoping there is 3rd party brand will produce some cassettes by 10-40 or lower teeth.

I run sram chains and shimano chainrings on my bike and it works perfectly. Shimano cassettes are better though, when my xx1 is worn out i will switch back

@@LoveMTB i definitely will.

@@LoveMTB thanks for the reply. Ive been hesitant myself and have been waiting for some solid reviews and youtube content about it but its hard to find. which may point to what youre saying...

I’ve had good experience with sunrace cassette and kmc chains and I’m using that combination on my hardtail bike, I’m riding at the moment.

@@LoveMTB but are you saying the 12 speed wasn't direct mount and is now? I don't understand the incompatibility you are referring to

@@LoveMTB Thank you very much for the clarification. Also, love the channel.