does xt shifer feel better than deore?

The only diferrence U feel is the shifter itself. Pretty cheap and deore feels Like xt👍

@@LoveMTB hiya. Do you have a video about mixing shimano rear derailuer with Sram cassette and chain. 12 speed. Limited aftermarket freehub options for shimano's microspline cassette mean that my XD drive freehub and cassette are likely to be paired with Shimano derailuer because I just prefer the shimano shifter over the Sram shifter. I'm not expecting problems, but if you had experience doing this, I'm sure me and many other riders would love to watch a video about it. Best regards. Lisa

@@LoveMTB I havent put it on my bike yet, some parts hasn't arrived. Maybe next month. Btw your videos really help, thanks bro.👌

@@LoveMTB Your videos about bent cage did mentioned in the moment of discussion...they believe that the bent cage are from Chinese shimano derailleur (AliExpress) and all of shimano derailleur that came from China have the bent cage. Only the original derailleur don’t have bent cage (????). Other problem discussed are about the clutch and the seal. They believe that the seal, in m8100 clutch derailleur is bad compared with m8000. And they said the same thing: the Chinese derailleur....

@@ismaeltrindade8423 as a mechanic I imagine they see quite a few of those derailleurs... If they would look closely they would notice that they're all "bent" the exact same way. I'd find that very unlikely to happen by accident. Especially once you get deore, SLX and xt parts all with the same issue. But the video references here is definitely the clearer proof and a very good explanation why the bend is good.

Ain't that right? 🙂

@@LoveMTB makes sense the 7120 is for a 10-45 so probably doesn't need it. Yes, the mastic works, not that I noticed much noise without it.

@@LoveMTB Thanks

@@LoveMTB just ordered a IRDM6100SGS

So you would consider that an upgrade?

@@LoveMTB I would for Enduro as I've had a few xt break just under the mounting bolt (from rock strikes etc). Would definitely prefer to break the hanger.

im using this RD with ZRace 12 cassette. Works Flawlessly, no need shimano MS hub

@@LoveMTB Do you know of the M6100 derailleur would work? It looks almost identical?

That's an interesting idea, I think I'll give it a try. I also get the added bonus of the oil slick Deore logo, which means I can hang around with the cool kids!

@@LoveMTB would it work vice versa? M6100 cassette 12s xt shifter and chain with m5100 11s rd should it work?

Another point for slx choice.

I can recommend SRAM GX although Deore and SLX are both cheaper and probably at least as good. (I actually prefer Shimano but currently ride Sram GX) SX has too many plastic parts for my liking. Metal adjustment screws in plastic really aren't a great idea, especially not on something like a rear derailleur. Otherwise SX does bring 12s to a very low price point but if it breaks, upgrading to something like NX, GX, Deore or SLX seems like a very good choice.

SRAM SX/NX/GX is crap compared to Shimano’s offerings even the cheapest Devore. They are made of cheese or something because even grass could bend the cage of my GX Eagle rear mech. After replacing two GX I switched to Shimano and never looked back.

@@LoveMTB even the setting up is easier, sram needs a special tool, so you can't even check if it's set correctly from factory without it or faffing around, and the shimano has a line stamped on so you can see straight away if it's not correct from the factory.

@@penskib1975 setup is easier on Shimano, maintenance is easier on SRAM. On Sram derailleurs the clutch doesn't need maintenance and the cage lock makes taking out the wheel a lot more comfortable. You also cannot forget to turn the clutch back on after maintenance. Also I think it's sufficient to eyeball the b-gap or measure it with a hex key. The tool isn't essential to get good shifting.

When setting up the slx on a NX 50t cassete do i still set it to the 51t line

@@LoveMTB your welcome...

@@LoveMTB Thank you!

Yes, works great. I run a 11s deore cassette (11-51t) with a 11s deore shifter and a 12s deore derailleur.

My friend mixed his m4100 deore with 11speed slx shifters so yeah its compatible

@@LoveMTB thanks for repling. when this group set dies i will upgrade to soemthing, not sure exactly what.... shimano seems to make more reliable gear vs sram? is that your thoughts too? personally never had sram but alot of people online realy rate shimano... I've thought of a Gx Axs groupset

NX brakes it's a fairly new bike only done 150miles. Cheers

@@LoveMTB sorry just checked. guide brakes?. I thinks its all fairly basic kit. I am new to MTB coming from a road backgroung, so some of his Sram stuff don't mean much at the mo. cheers

@@LoveMTB Thanks, great.

@@LoveMTB now you are getting complicated. I still ride a 9 speed..and love it. 26 wheels. The way it should be. Maybe I should drop out?

@@LoveMTB good answer. Every day I want to "up grade " but hay, I will not leave my bich.

Agree with you except for the shifters. XT are so much better in action and feel than Deore and SLX. Felt the noticeable difference on all bikes and speeds.

I think my choice would be an xt shifter, SLX/xt brake calipers and everything else deore. Those are the two components with some minor feature differences I care about. Otherwise deore is absolutely great value for your money. Great to see the 12s at such low price points AND that everything is compatible... Some components even work with SRAM as we've learned here.

@@sebastianjost Why do you think XT/SLX calipers a worth buying compared to the Deore? Because of ceramic pistons and banjo hose mount? I don't think there's any real world difference. For general XC/trail rides, Deore's just fine, IMHO.

I would say probably not, based on the Shimano specs. The 7100 has a lower capacity, and a low sprocket minimum of 51T. Might be worth a try if you already have a 7100.

@@LoveMTB difference between the 11s and 12s deore derailleur not the shifter

Price, Weight and some slightly different logos.

@@gammelgemse ok big thanks from France ! I really appreciate your work :)

Yes. It works great

@@marcmuller6509 Thank you. Now, I just have to find an XT 8100 rear derailleur. Out of stock everywhere.

@@garyleese9398 I have the 12s Deore derailleur with the 11s 11-51t cassette and it works perfect. I can't imagine how the 12s XT derailleur could outperform the 12s Deore. Save the money for a HG 701 or HG 901 chain.

@@marcmuller6509 , as I mentioned in my original question, I always go for XT rear derailleurs over Deore or SLX because of the ball bearing pulleys vs higher friction bushing pulleys on the Deore and SLX.

@@LoveMTB thanks a lot dude 🤜🤛

Thay say no because it has too much offset. Have not thied it myself.

@@LoveMTB whys is it too much offset? what will happen if I will push that setup?

Honestly no, no good reason whatsoever

@@LoveMTB .. eny budget set up to recommen

@@LoveMTB I have a cags ang powerwheel already i just need the Ed. Ang shifter

@@LoveMTB .. thankyou very sir for your time be safe always.. 🙏

Well said, main lineup is made of: Deore: budget option Deore XT: midrange XTR: top of the line

@@LoveMTB you have a point there, thankyou so muchhh

Unfortunately you'll see zero diffrence in performance...

Should be able to.

@@LoveMTB thank you for that, good info. Would be it be different if it was the 12 speed 11-45? Cheers

@@LoveMTB always do, thank you. Cheers

@Maciej Jan Długosz would that be the case for all other RD that are for 10-51T cassette? I ask because I have a bike that I tried it on and it seemed to work out, but it's different on a stand then when you put power down. Thanks again.

@Maciej Jan Długosz makes sense, thanks man, i appreciate the info.

If price matter, go for deore grupo with xt shifter, it will shift like xt. Xt shifter are short swing and faster. Wana durable harder chain go for xtr CN9100. Deore part are cheap to replace if u crash it. All of them have the same durability.

Only time I use slx on my bike is the crank. Managed to damage my old Deore one so bought an slx m7000 and works great.

Slx has stronger springs and coated (hardened) pins in pantograph like xt, so it will last longer at least in accuracy of shifting

With this new 12s deore, most SLX parts are indeed kind of pointless as deore offers basically the exact same features and performance at a slightly lower price and marginally more weight. However there are a few feature differences I know of: 1. The brake calipers of SLX use screws to hold the pads in place. Deore uses those annoying pins you have to bend around each time. 2. The SLX brake levers have a tool-free reach adjustment. On Deore you need a hex key... I think it's about 4±1mm. I actually prefer the deore version here because I don't accidentally adjust it. I can set it and forget it. It also looks better imo. 3. SLX comes as a 2x12 version, deore is 1x12 only. For me 1x12 is enough with the "new" 10T cogs but there are people who still prefer 2x because they need the extra range. 4. The SLX cassette has one black (alloy) gear, the Deore is all silver (steel). By counting the black gears you can easily tell apart the 12s cassettes. Just a nice extra although almost pointless. However all of these are tiny differences. So in this 12s generation, there's no major difference. I believe SRAMs high end groupsets XX1 and X01 have similarly little difference although from what I understand they are intended for different use cases and therefor the weights are a bit more different.

@@LoveMTB under abusive conditions deore springs may show some signs of corrosion when slx not found "guilty" mayby it is just faulty series came to Poland but probably different material. In general slx products feels more solid.

Slx crank is the best value to weight I found, still supports replaceable bearings for BB. Overall Slx will always have more stainless steel bolts used. Which is extremely valuable for long term use and saves a lot of hassle trying to find matching bolts in hardware stores and cut them to size. Cycling bolt heads are often narrower so they require grinding too, if purchased in hardware stores. Also Slx is the lowest group made in Japan which promises better tolerances and materials used. You might think you're getting alloy for one side of cage here in both, but what type of alloy is it, we don't know.

Go with xt shifter first. Huge difference.

in turbo i completly understand :D i had a 9s shimano drive drain on my e bike and it was fine. but if you are using eco mode or tour mode to go further, for me the 12 speed comes in to play on steep climbs

your motor will last longer w lower gearing

@@LoveMTB the wide range come into play. Honestly less gears and the same range would be awesome for E bikes, but I don't know if there is a drive drain like this out there. I started mountaibiking with an E Bike and had the same problem at the beginning with just using a few small cogs because the motor is so strong and pulls you up the hill with any gear. Before I just used a Singlespeed bike on the street and never shifted :D but after a while I noticed that using gears feels more naturally, better for the motor and increased the range of my battery. Also shifting is fun like driving a manual car!:D

@@LoveMTB oh .. that would be cheeper as well. But anyway, the 12 speed is already on my bike for many k's :D

Havent have a budget yet on new 12s chain crank and cassette

Oh, thanks for telling me . Yes i’m using a 27.5 trail bike . Maybe I’ll just buy the older version .

Thanks for the tip. I’ll just go for the old slx or xt 11s drivetrain .