thats not the results thats just the intro to each bike

Did he ever say they were they were the results

can't wait for it

YZ250F is flawless , so good in fact that many don't want to see an update in 2024. Wins the most shootouts every year except this one.

Same with the kawi, they are the 2 best 250s right now especially for supercross and these mxa guys just dick ride the Austrian 250s. Luckily, moisman didn't review the 450s and we got an honest review with kawi and yami uptop.

Facts

I think it’ll be realized. More like 99% of riders won’t be faster or slower because of them 😂

Very true👍🏻 All great machines! -Michigan

True but I want you to ride one of these and compare it 20 years later to a new one

Yes and no. Anyone with motocross bike experience can feel a difference between the KTM bikes and the Suzuki. It’s noticeable. Will they be better riders? Not necessarily. But you get off the RMZ and get on the GasGas and it feels like you put a freakin supercharger on your bike. Much stronger power

This

Back in the day some of the magazines used to do just that and it was glorious

Yes

KTM will win that comparison on stock bikes everyday of the week. it wouldn’t be close lol

Nah the husky and the Yamaha look amazing

Nah that Kawi Green is the sickest! 🤘🏻

The kawi has super weird looking shrouds and the gas gas looks like the Nordic and rainbow bikes on mx vs atv combined

The Yamaha shrouds/gas tank look like a street bike and the husky looks like a bunch of plastic shovels

The ktms pretty sick, I just don’t like the color way. Last years was way sicker. It was like a Goku bike

Jap bikes all the way! Team Green Always though 😂… they’re always complaining about stripping bolts on the Kawi, I never have nor have I seen anyone around the pits doing this, I guess it’s because they’re test riders, and have never worked a wrench on their own bike😂

Ahaha so true not even worth wasting ur time watching these videos anymore the Austrian bikes are gonna win every time and it’s personal presence all the bikes nowadays are better than 95% of the population that rides them😂

These winning bikes are not stock. They are factory and worth much more than stock bikes.

All used ktms i see for sale have blowed up motors. 2 and 4 stroke. A guy i know bought one and had to have new motor put on after a short time

@@southerngentleman2516 like I’ll say again are they people running no oil in their motors? Where are all these people? 150 hrs on my 17 350 and just sold my 2020 350 with 74hrs I holeshot most weekend fully stock with a stock pipe 😆 just bought a 23 husky 350 so will see first hand the reliability of the newer ones they are pretty different so let’s see but last 8 years my most reliable bikes have all been ktms 🤣

@@E63s_Scott dude it’s because these people absolutely beat on these bikes and just forget about maintenance then they blame the bike when something happens🤦🏼‍♂️ if you’re fast every bike is going to blow up and everyone needs to learn Austrian bikes and Japanese bikes blow up at the same rate

just on paper ktm's always seem to have better numbers like weight, pawah, and tq

​@@sVERLo43 They're lighter because they use Airforks. Airforks are light, but feel absolutely horrible

@@smark2016 i think air sprung suspension is the future, look at mountain bikes can you objectively describe what exactly is horrible about air forks?

@@sVERLo43 The only "airforks" that are actually good are the KYB PSF1, Deegan rides with them for example. The Stock airforks you get with the austrian bikes are just made for the average rider for quick adjustability which don't race the bike to the limit.

@@sVERLo43 they just dont feel good, had it revalved, tried a bunch of diff settings but still cant find a sweet spot for turning and going thru breakimg bumps/ruts

factory is completely different than stock

@@drakepeterson2134 so Hondas and Yahamas are the best bikes to build

it’s not the bike it’s the rider

These mxa guys always are sucking the austrian bikes off for the 250s... The 450s are the only fair shootout of these guys. Or go over to vital mx

Honda, Yamaha, and Kawi are really the only ones winning in the Lites divisions. It's been awhile since KTM was a player in lights.

Because they are race bikes...race bikes get more attention for routine stuff...They race these bikes every week and in many classes...They find all the weak points.

@@randominc.2251 granted tightening your spokes isn’t exactly routine lol

they spend months on end testing these bike compared to other media outlets that only do one day of riding

@@drakepeterson2134 They don’t need days they need people. did you see how many people Cycle News used for their shootout? All class riders and not just one from each class. See what is really happening with KTM pro riders and you would know the truth.

@@goldmx1229 I've ridden ktms for years and can tell you they're great bikes to race stock. Horrible for maintaince tho as the old bikes would have brake failures and the new ones have electrical issues

They hard meat ride ktm wouldn’t listen much to them

Dude I thought I was going to hate it until I saw it in person it’s pretty cool

So basically your team loser always 😂😂😂😂

@@Dav_89 Keep dreaming 🤡

They mean the new frame rides taller than lasts years

Truth! Ohh an KTM is #1. 😀😜💯

They’re lazy

Yamaha is more reliable than Honda .

What made you say that it's more reliable? Been riding honda since the 80's. Always reliable. I have 22 250r and 22 rx. What did you base that comment off of? Yamaha doesn't even cover the wheel bearings on their bikes. Completely exposed. My bike cranks up every time.. better on fuel. Lighter than yam. Plus the low end fairy tale that every one is sold by yamaha is false. No 4 stroke has low end to speak of really. Mid to high power is where 4 strokes shine

@@2216sammy Both are equally reliable!

I hope so. My son isn't old enough to remember when Suzuki was the dominant force of SX/MX. It'd be great to see them have a glorious return!

Highly doubt it Suzuki is completely bankrupt after a major fail at trying to get into the car industry. Suzuki is just try to stay alive they don’t have money to dump into their bikes anymore sadly.

2024 rmz250 I believe is supposed to finally get e start from what I’ve heard

​@@braxtonfast8613 they got Roczen now. They are developing a new bike. That is why they pulled out of moto gp. Saved money for a few years so they can reallocate resources into where it makes the most sense. In this case it's motocross.

@@braxtonfast8613might wanna fact check yourself, Suzuki crushes the car industry and does billions in sales. They are no where near bankrupt. They just don’t sell in the US.

testride one...only way to really know

250 is old by comparison. Hoping for a 2024 update. MXA is the leader in test of all motorcycle. Simple as that. They have more experience than all the other magazine combined. What they say is pretty much the gold standard. They don't hate Yamaha's at all. Just telling it like it is.

@@kirkwilliams2127, lol. "Old by comparison" is a perfect description of MXA. I think they get things wrong just like any of the other outlets do. The results are influenced by the test riders they choose. It's not a coincidence that every outlet's test pool has very similar rankings to each other. They talk to each other during testing and influence their opinions. That's why you get one outlet saying the Kawi is the best while another will rank it 4th. It's not because one is necessarily better than the other.

yeah, I wonder why they always put JP bikes below the austrian bikes. Yeah I do know the austrian bikes are steel frame but I think we need an analysis which frame is stiffer and lighter. I live in asia so JP bike are a lot cheaper and mostly Honda and Yammie quite some Kawi's but the riders think they need a lot of maintenance, what do you guys think?

@@harrisonH36 all bikes need a good amount of maintenance. in my experience the Austrian bikes are much better but if you dont have the money dont. parts are more expensive and ussually hard to find depending on what it is. however theres nothing wrong with jp bikes at all they are all amazing

The yamahas are fat and heavy and shit bike stock

Yamahas blow up every 5 hours

@@m5132 😂 haven’t seen one yet. I’ve had 7 of them and never had a problem. My sons 250f had almost 200 hrs on it. Valves were still good and never adjusted once. Before we rebuilt it. My friend had over 200 hrs. Another friend of mine has 2 250f 3 of his boys have them as well with over a 100 hrs before refreshing the motor. None of theirs blew up. Also like I said every magazine said the Yamaha has less major problems than the other bike and they use those things every day. They have said that numerous times in videos over the years as well. Plus every track I have been to I have seen more problems ppl having is with a Ktm over any bike including a Suzuki that ppl give crap too. This year ppl are having issues with KTM pistons breaking, cylinder cracking and breaking with not even close to 40 hrs. It’s on the forums. Plus about a month ago I witnessed a brand new KTM’s … ya not one but 3 blow up at the track.. and at another track the guy went to out it in gear and it made grinding sounds and a glunk..also I personally know a few other guys this year had major issues with theirs as well. 4 of them went and got another bike cause that’s all they ever had was issues.

I agree with this. I’ve been a long time KTM owner of several CCs including 2 250f’s and 2 350f’s. I’ve been following the hype of yams and wanted one so I rode a 2022 yam 250f with a pull FMF pipe and hard hitting map on the ECU and was massively underwhelmed it felt very flat, had an ok bottom but was really slow vs a stock ktm 250f and I ride in the mid range usually. I recently rode a 2023 yam 250f at a test day in the aggressive map it was much better but again I wasn’t blown away like everyone is of the mighty killer engine? The chassis and suspension I liked but need more time on vs the motor I can get used to that quickly. Maybe I’ve been spoiled by KTM engines for years. The only thing I don’t like about a ktm engine is it seems to have a more engine brake heavier feel with a stock pipe

@@E63s_Scott how you would compare chassis carateristic to sxf expecially in tight and rutted corner?

😂😂😂 I’ve seen plenty of stock Yamahas pulling KTM’s on straights! I’m an A rider plus I met a guy at a track he was mad at his new ktm and after that day he was selling it and going back to a Yamaha! He was pro level and was very fast. He said he hated the power and it didn’t handle very well it the mud. He said the Yamaha did everything better and loved the power more to.. I’ve had ppl ride my 450 and 250 that had other bikes and loved them. Several sold their bikes and now rode Yamaha.. plus the fact every magazine have raved about Yamaha having the best reliability as well..

Yamaha's YZ250F is the undisputed king of 250's. Every other shootout puts it 1st .

@@2216sammy exactly been this way for years. But you have these orange lovers thinking those bikes they pay thousands more for are so fast! Lol.. plus don’t forget every magazine for years said the Yamaha also is the most reliable and last way longer than any bike.

The factory ktm 250 with their ignition rev to 15 k rpm

The factory ktm 250 with their ignition rev to 15 k rpm

Ktm or husqvarna

I've refrained from saying this for years, even have a paragraph or two saved to my notes a while ago and never pressed send because I would just be that guy and didn't feel like getting flamed...🤣🤣🤣 Is it being picky? It is Motocross Action Magazine which I have read since 1973. I root for Josh and Michael even more. Help me out here!!!! Let the flaming commence!!!!😆😆😆 kzfaq.infog

Welcome to the land of MordorCross

Josh he asked a question??

did a great job

Yes he does a great job, and yes he should be able to pronounce the name of his employer.

Suzuki isn’t a bad bike but it’s just not up to par with all the other bikes. So people aren’t going to want to race on them it’s probably a amazing bike for the guy that just loves riding and doesn’t want to race

Thats a different shootout 🤟😊🤟

Let’s put all the 250s together, two or four stroke.

The 4 strokes are about 5hp weaker than the 2 strokes from KTM. They would get demolished and the 4 stroke con job would come to an end.

@@dougfalstad5227 that’s not a fair comparison. 125 and 250F are comparable power and the 250 2T and the 450s are comparable power

I mean a lot of people say the Hondas feel underpowered compared to the kawi and yz

@@youngman7655 I am on kawi right now and I kinda want to try and Honda and I love Honda but I’m not 100% sure uet

@@ZT523 Yeah the 2022-23 actually seem to be a good as he said in the video they fixed the power. I have a 21 yz250f and I tried the 22 you should demo some bikes that what I did.

@@youngman7655 I will for sure thank you!

They change the color of frames every year. Next year the frame will be orange. What is the odd color? You get black or orange..

The new ktm 2 stroke 250 racing trail bike is knarly. It will smoke any of the .moto cross bikes. Hands down. I ride honda and I am loyal to them since being a kid and getting my first honda 3 wheeler but my friend rides Nothing but ktm. I've ridden his bike. Perfect all the way around. 2 stroke low end and the pull of gear box is second to none.

Totally opposite experience. Only rode Hondas and yamaha from 06-18. And a kawi once all uncomfortable felt like a fat overweight cow. Never got comfy ways had do bars pegs etc. Switched to ktm in 2018. By far the best out of the box cockpit for being 6+ feet. Nimble and slim cockpit that is point n shoot handling. I never go back jap.tbe build quality of the ktms are far superior.

Agreed! KTM is overpriced hype. Always has been and nothing had changed.

@@SPCRacing1 They always pick the Austrian bikes

Shit. Japanese bikes don't vibrate like European bikes. Beta, ktm, etc all vibrate terribly. Only ktm I would consider buying is their 2 stroke. My crf250r is nimble, fast,, snappy and comfortable.All these 4 strokes are the same. None of them have low end hardly. These guys and companies sell that lie.. Mid to high power. Is where 4 strokes shine. All of them rev up quick for a specific reason and they are not 2 stroke trail bikes that have wider gear boxes and low end. Yamaha no different. From all these. Moto cross bikes aren't meant for lugging. Which is what everyone wants but 2 strokes are built for that kind of delivery.

This!

The green bike isn't as good , no way . Listen to all the other shootout reviews for an honest opinion.

Green ,yellow ,red ,blue ,orange they’re all good it’s the rider not bike .

@@herbcanter2114 shootouts don’t mean shit

Fr

Don’t take any shootout to heart .. it just gives the journos a job All the bikes are great for 95% of riders .. just pick the one that suits you .. they can all win ..

They are always ktm husky gas gas bias it’s just their opinion, team Green for me

True everyone loved the 2018 KTM and Husky, They stiffened the frame in 19 and more after that and it hasn't one many shootouts since then. (It one them all in 2018

You obviously have never rode one of the older spring equipped ktm's then haha. I'll take their airfork over them anyday!!!!

@@tcmx712 that’s why everyone dose spring covers on then I’ve rode some newer wp spring forks they feel good an before I had my 350 I had a 2014 ktm 250 that had factory spring an after it was setup for my wight it was a dream but that’s all I the experience I really have with wp spring forks they definitely ain’t no kyb lol

@@carolinasrt4163 my last stock spring fork ktm was a '14 250 aswell, not great but not bad either. After everyone complaining about air forks I decided to try the spring conversion and honestly for what I ride (extremely deep sand) the stock air forks are better because of that initial "stiffness" or hold-up whatever you want to call it. I'm actually now running cone valve air forks and they are absolutely perfect for what I do

@@tcmx712 yea man if u can get the air fork dialed in with a good re valve an a psi setting that feels good to you the are pretty good I bet them cone valves are like butter would you say they worth the price over a kyb conversion

@@carolinasrt4163 depending what you do, compared to the revalved yz's that my mates ride I'd say they are equal in comfort and "plushness" through breaking bumps and acceleration chop, where they excel is in deep rollers or hard hits (over jumps, flat landings, etc). I do heaps of freeriding in the dunes aswell and the way these forks feel in the bottom 1/3rd of the stroke is light years better than the kyb but if you're not doing stuff like that the kyb conversion is probably good enough in my opinion

@@EarthSurferUSA I know how to drill holes thanks, ask your mum about it😘

Yeah so all you can hear is squeaking all the time😂

@@leadhead7338 now I know why lead head is your name.

@@mxracer158 Because I love guns

Pipes vary. Ecu mapping etc.

You could buy 2 Suzuki's on sale for the price of one KTM

Yup , the Yamaha YZ250F has won for 4 consecutive years in a row .

@@2216sammy correct