Nothing do do with clutch ridden for years and never had a problem. No-one uses clutch when shifting fast. It was a selector pawl retaining washer, been fixed for ages now and still changing gear without clutch . Novices use clutch once 3xperiqnced can change gear without clutch its about timing

Nobody uses a clutch shifting upwards.. Sport bikes and dirt bikes

​@@motomachinezuk8786 Any other probs with the bike or are you enjoying it? Keep the videos coming please.

You are obviously a novice rider you’d be better off on a 110 or 65 before you hurt yourself

@@motomachinezuk8786 bro man is yappin sayin no clutch lmao bro if its manual u use clutch or u wreck it as u have done

I'm not great at complaining but I want to as wasted money. Going to try and fix again so I let them off silly me. Thats a good result for you glad its OK now 👌

i took your advise and got my self a crf250x mate

@@ryancrf250guy8 you did the right thing trust me I wish I did the same!

@@TEKKYTWO id sell them and put some money towords another bike tbh mate

@@ryancrf250guy8 that's the plan hopefully. I was thinking of doing an engine swap but its not worth it. Rather just get rid of them.

Its been a massive let down, should have left it with 4 gears then no problems.

I've been toying with the idea too, not now. No way.

Same

Bit embarrassing admitting this is a hound I bought, but I'm glad I potentially stopped others from same situation. At my expense lol

@@motomachinezuk8786 no potentially about you have 100% helped a lot of people save time money and stress you should do a videos on what bikes you would buy and love you know you're stuff I am a daily watcher.. i just need to pick what I want to get ebike or pitbike love both out of pitbike you have owned witch one would get.

@@motomachinezuk8786 do a raffle for the 190 like £1 A ticket about do up to 900 tickets you make some money back and someone gets a chance fix it end of day 190 not bad they just messed up with gearbox put it in without testing right

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Got mine fitted with the 30mm flatslide. And if you tune it just right its got it flyinn

Thats what I mean wpb is fine for foundations just most other bits need replacing to firm them up. Bash guard was 3mm thinner than my demon x for example

@@motomachinezuk8786 Yeah ive went thru 2 bash gaurds already lol

@@RCTurbo79 lol exactly they are flimsy i have admittedly broke the front off on demon x but it won't bend like my 190 .

I’ve just baught 160cc version and it’s bogging a lot and second gear can be a hassle , any tips on what need replacing in this bike , I’m thinking knew carb and gearbox

Just got a demon x xlr2 125 👌🏻 needs to strip it as 2nd gear is gone🤣 just the usual hahaha

I'm brain storming as I want something different, good ideas. I'm thinking engine then turn into a 3 wheeler or make a side car lol could be fun and different. Very satisfying building own bike I bet 👌

Yeahhh cool lookin forward for that content🤘🏻😜

That gutting mate luckily I've managed to sort mine before I damaged gearbox but not good selling engines like this from factory. Hopefully fix will hold up with retaining washer on

so?

Of course, chip fat oil was dropped first job. I do hear alot of people use that oil but its only good for preventing rust inside engine and they brim them so everything is covered in transit. 2nd vid on this bike was prepping for first start.

I remember yes ive actually just got that part to try, just hope I've not damaged the shaft. Got that washer thing online. So you are confident with it ? Worked well ?

MOTO MACHINEZ UK not really fell out with wpb as it must be ongoing problem 😡to put a extra part on brand new engine think am black listed now a let you guys now how it holds up ? Cheers

My 190 was doing the same thing. WPB supplied the washer to go over the shift star. Problem solved so far. My other problem is the bike keeps snapping starter chains for no reason. You said the bike felt like it was holding back have you checked the tappet settings. Inlet 0.1 outlet 0.15.

Cheers bud yeh bloody bike is problems compared to demon x 170 detroit thats for sure. Hope you are keeping well too mate

MOTO MACHINEZ UK yeah I’m doing good thank you I currently have a lousy cold at the minute but apart that all good. Yeah it’s a shame but hopefully it’ll be fixed and ready to hit the back fields again the beast’

Or a rxf

Yes I had that problem first, not much room for it is there. I even checked it was not loose. I'm just hearing the same story from most owners, shame

Well some have been OK but I still hear of problem. Easy fix. Cheers mate

If the trans is not built well on a motorcycle it will act up like the one in the video. Because a motorcycle uses a sequential gearbox it's harmless to float gears. I do it all the time on my kawi and I put over 12k miles on it. What normally happens is the bushings and shift fork will deform if they use cheap materials.

No cluch won't do fuck all

​@kytospillett8753 it's a constant mesh gearbox. If you don't use the clutch, you risk destroying the gear dogs and selector forks. Jumping out of gear is a sign the gear dogs are rounded or the selector forks aren't fully shifting the gears in.

20X??? I bought a 2014 crf 150 RBE back in 2014 for 4200 USD delivered. It is a bigger frame, and higher HP engine.

I am NOT literally speaking, and most likely talking in Australian currency buddy. USD buys very little AUD.

@@trentjackson4816 about a 35% difference in currency, but unless hondas are rare there, the conversion rate would be the same. Our cost to get a pit bike 190 would be simalar to your cost to acquire there. Unless the supply chain is screwed up

Similar in price adjusted for each of our cost difference I mean. So a pit bike at 1000 usd would be 1350 in aus, and a Honda at 4000 usd would be 5400

Really that sound like what I might need for my 160 version bro could you help me out with a link would be more than appreciated

@@blazeetv674 it was for a 190cc and i cant find it anymore. there's some info on forums but that's it. best to look on KZfaq and forums for a fix. type 160cc pit bike when you search and not the name of the bike. about 95% pit bikes have and share the same parts.

Never use clutch to change gear on any bike. Never had a problem.

I am going to try a solution just this vid got me right at wrong time I kinda was pissed, calmed down now and thinking more rashinaly, still might do a giveaway lol

Had this problem twice and sorted it, 3rdtime is ajoke really withing 12 hours

I'm going to as something could be loose but I'm not hopeful. I also have a possible solution but not hopeful lol. Will all be document to help others and for learning. Just waiting for some rainy days so I can take my time checking it and warn part again. Bloody job

@@motomachinezuk8786 great! Bloody job indeed, hope to see your video!

Thats good hearing a positive story about 1, most ive heard is problems but I like to think some must be OK

Stomp is better yes. Dirt bike or pit bike lots out there, depends on budget etc..

Not sure what you mean. Sounds like chain though might need some maintenance if it comes off.

Not good is it I wished they would refund me but or something but kinda useless now for me. Wasted my money also I think. Just need to open it up and have a look before I complain more

When I sent the bike back to be repaired I asked several times and all they kept doing was making excuses about how good the bike is and that I’ll be happy with it when I get back I’ve since been out and got another bike as I don’t even want to ride the 190

Hope you got a good 1 i have heard of 3 apparently all good. About 20 that have problems like mine. Fingers crossed, good bike if OK. Keep me posted as I'm after owner feedback for real review and experiences if you don't mind please. Thanks good luck 👍

@@motomachinezuk8786 I'm just back from having it out, it went through all of the gears nicely I must say, very powerful for a pitbike. It would give my CR 125 a run for its money, I stalled it a couple of times but started straight away with the electric start. I had the WPB 160 which I think was a much more stable bike. Its only my first outing on it and the only real criticisms I have so far is that it's unstable, wants to kill you in first and second and stalls very easily in third if your revs are not high enough. I preferred the 160.

@@tommydahlqvist3472 yes I've not had this big frame before and it does feel a little unstable compared to my crf70 frame. It's big compared to it. My bike worked OK for about 4 hours so be cautious, hopefully you got a good 1 as will be disappointing if not resolved problem on the new batch, they clearly knew it has problem. Anyway cheers for letting me know bud

@@motomachinezuk8786 thanks for the heads up mate. I will keep you updated

@@tommydahlqvist3472 how’s your 190 doing

The 125 engines are fine mate its this newish 190 that had problems. Solid engine the 125

Those engines cost more than this whole bike, would be good but if I have that kinda money for it I would go electric and that would be faster and something different. I'm going to try fix with a retaining washer ASAP just left it alone for a few weeks, annoyed me it has

This was first generation of the 190 beast and it had this teething problem. I believe they sorted this issue soon after . If not its easy to fix. Just a retaining washer needed on the gear frog. Good bike for the money since I fixed. Its got over 60hrs on now with no other issues. Hope this helps

Did you have any luck getting it back? I nearly had a KTM 85 and 125 stolen when I was younger. The would be thief tore the door off the shed, seen the bikes and left. I learned over the years that a medium sized dog keeps most of the scumbags at bay, shotgun takes care of the rest

If u want to buy a 190 ycf is a good option, might be a little expensive but they are quality bikes and they have daytona engines

Yes it's been fine since a retaining washer added onto gear selector arm. They sorted this problem now from factory. 160 is a decent little engine 👌

​@motomachinezuk8786 would you recommend them now they have sorted it from factory

Yes it was run in like normal but these new 5speed gearboxes had teething problems, I was 1 of first to get 1 so all the problems. Is,sorted now I used a retaining washer I got a vid of fix on channel if interested. 2nd attempt worked so far. I believe these gears might prefer a clutch but on all my others I've never had an issue, I agree not same quality but if done right and at right times it's ok. I feed it into gear.

Ah that's great that you have fixed it and is on vid. My mates have them, I went for the klx110 in the end 🤣 Keep it up dude

@@E11evens klx 110 quality little bikes I've got an L model and perfect in right environment plus good for wheelie practice. Cheers

@@motomachinezuk8786 alright Moto yeah I’m interested how to get this issue fixed

Lol i didnt see the next video suggestion sorry

No worries its been work and research on this thing and touch wood it seems fixed but I just want a few more hours before I say sorted if you get what I'm saying. Nightmare it was for a new hardly used bike

That's terrible, someone from wpb commented, kinda having a go I could tell about me dissing them. I hear so many problems from new owners. What's wrong with it then any ideas ?

Stomp engines are the best ones man i got a yx120

@@markskvr9279 too right, for Chinese engines if you maintain them the yx’s can be very good, I’m a 2 stroke guy buy after owning the wpb 4 stroke has grown on me lol

@@boddisonsdelcolservices796 fresh oil and maintenance keeps them stong, mines a 2017 still pulls like a train, readjusted the valves its perfect just need to fix 2nd gear its jumped out haha

@Zokica18 can you give more details on the fix please

@@razzledazzle8948 i wish i could but i gave it to a mechanic and he fixed it for me. The shop sent the piece directly to the mechanic so idk what it is or how it works

I'm hearing good reviews very similar to demon x. I want to try 1 and good price at moment as newish back on the scene, bet price goes up for x mas.

I've never used a clutch up shifting on these bikes nor superbikes and been only on track flat out 24/7 never had this issue

@@MotorSportWallOfShame I have now a 2016 KTM 125 SX - RR (factory race ready) and even in it's manual states clearly that clutch has to be used when changing the gear up or down, and we're talking about an SX Race Ready bike. A low cost chinese pit bike won't last long shifting without a clutch. I know some people having this issue because they treat the manual gearbox like a semi-auto. If you've got a 110 pit bike, that won't have enough power to mess the gearbox up and there are a few semi-auto which is not the case with 190 beast or other MX bike. Something with a bit of power will eat through the gearbox if you keep doing that.

@@drift3rZUK of course its going to state it in the manual to cover all areas, I'm not saying what I'm doing is the correct thing to do but I use mine on tarmac and it's constantly up and down gears and I only use clutch to downshift, they have weak gearboxes from the start it's no secret, sometimes it's just bad luck, think I got a video of me riding mine on a go kart track on my page have a look 👍🏽

That's what I've got to fit it next hopefully will work. Why does it come off the star?

Its just cos of the free play in the bolt lets it moves in or of the star sorry for the late reply didn't see your reply look forward to the vid on the 190cc 😊

That was just starter motor they do that sometimes

Appreciated thanks

Was a common fault on these but they apparently have sorted it now. Since I've put a retaining washer on selector it's been fine, simple fix really

Its safe for me to ride yeh I got permission its near Cheltenham

Stomp z3 is a solid, tried and tested bike, definitely a decent bike

Not a good engine for reliability I see alot of people sell them and they all must be problems

Yes mate this happened some time back now ive managed to resolve it with a retaining washer and so far so good also got a part from ooracing they are pretty good help to be honest

@@motomachinezuk8786 now you know what it is and have resolved it would you still not recommend ?

I hear they have but I'm not certain. It's an easy fix so I hope they have

Do u know much about the kurtz range of pit bike seen them about thanks ??

Correct I've now fitted a retaining washer and all been good since, 👍

It's a good friend and they let me ride certain parts as long as I don't abuse its all good. I know I'm lucky so I make most of it and share experiences. Haha no rebel here

Im the kind of rebel that rides in the forest and do whatever i want :D

Just on this 190 as got a 5 speed gearbox. Other engines are fine

@@motomachinezuk8786 are engines with 1N234 instead of N1234 also a problem or is it just that this particular engine has 5 gears

@@potatopg3d371 1n2345. Problem has been with the 5 speed gearbox only mate

@@motomachinezuk8786 ok thx

@@motomachinezuk8786 i have been looking at a pitbike with a yx engine that has 1N234 gearbox and i heard gearboxes with 1 down rest up drums had problems but nah

I have 125 road legal for about 2 years, never had any engine problems.

I've fitted a retaining washer on the frog I thinks it's called now and seems fixed

Stomp is a good choice and always available. Cw are a good brand when they have stock. Thank you glad you enjoy the content

@@motomachinezuk8786 The WPB Detroit 170 Twin Exhaust that u sometimes have on seems alright

I have a 2020 piranha p190 and it's wicked. Only issue I had so far was I popped the tube for the rear tire but I was riding hard in a gravel pit.

It’s overheating bc it’s not moving probably is it? U need to be riding it and the air cools it down

Been in contact they did not even have part needed to fix it. So was left in the learch. So I've sourced my own part to hopefully fix it

@@motomachinezuk8786 yo bro could you show mealink or where I could find the same part for my 160cc version of this bike , having some sand sort of issues

Yes I like that thumpstar 190 that I'm sure they did r&d and got it right. Enjoy it mate, mine has been ok for 5 hours so I hope I've solved it with retaining washer. They getting into 2stroke nice I shall have a look

@@motomachinezuk8786 yeah some pretty impressive bikes bro

Never use clutch when shifting up gears fast. Its more strain on engine. Never have on any bike and no problems. Only time its used is when going slow.

No it was a factory fault and sorted it now. Never use a clutch when shifting fast on any bike

My helmet set up is gopro hero 7 with external mic into helmet . Some was filmed on phone s10

MOTO MACHINEZ UK the voice quailty sounds good , can’t hear any wind at all really quite surprised

Evening mate, apparently they have but don't hold me to that, they say they have.

@@motomachinezuk8786 okay fella I have ordered the 2021 model I will keep you up to date with the mechanical side of it

@@jordansands2094 hopefully bo reason why not sorted mine is and it's not expensive for them. Appreciate then feedback if they have as asked this alot and I'm curious about it Thanks

@@motomachinezuk8786 hello mate got the bike and set it up yesterday, haven't started it yet need to get engine oil today, just a quick question on the key ignition you can turn it to two different points? Whats the reason for that?

@@jordansands2094 hi pal, do you no if the 190 has been updated or is it still making these problems?