Mountain Bike Brakes - Galfer 2mm Rotors & MTX Pads

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Mountain Bike Brakes - Galfer 2mm Rotors & MTX Pads | Best Brake Performance Upgrade

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How is the performance on your brakes? Would you like to improve your braking performance? Is there a simple way and affordable way to do it? Then this video is for you...
01:45 What products am I testing?
02:31 Product introductions (Galfer rotors & Shimano Rotors)
05:53 Weight of these rotors
06:21 Testing Begins
07:00 Shimano Brake Pads & Shimano XT Ice Tech Rotors
07:56 Shimano Rotors & MTX pads
09:47 Galfer 2mm thick Rotors & Shimano Metallic pads
10:42 Galfer 2mm thick Rotors & MTX Ceramic/copper pads
11:21 Observations
12:23 Trail impressions
13:51 My Outcome
14:09 Best Performance Upgrade
14:16 Best inexpensive performance upgrade
This video I'm testing Shimano XT RT86 Ice Tech rotors (Front 203mm, Rear 180mm) with Shimano metallic pads against the MTX Gold ceramic pads.
But... I'm also testing Galfer's Bike waver one piece rotors that are 2.0mm thick compared to Shimano XT floating rotors that are 1.8mm thick. I will test these rotors with the Shimano metallic pads and also test them with the MTX ceramic Gold pads.
Which is the cheapest route to go? Will this improve your brake performance? Stay tuned and you'll find out.
This will be done with Shimano XTR 4 piston brakes on an Ibis Ripmo v2.
All parts are purchased by me and not given to me for this video.
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@jcdenton3022 3 жыл бұрын

All floating rotors are 2 piece but not all 2 piece rotors are floating. You can tell a floating rotor by how the 2 parts are connected. If its riveted solid, like the Shimano in the video, its not a floating rotor. If there are round buttons in between the 2 parts that allow for the braking part of the rotor to thermally expand and contract in relation to the mounting part of the rotor, then its a floating rotor. Examples of floating 2 piece rotors are Magura MDR-P or Hope floating rotor.

@mijaiscares8580 Жыл бұрын

Wooo, I didn't know that, thanks for share this inf dude

@MartyMeyerdierks Жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing this experiment. It takes time to swap out rotor and pads while making all those runs.

@mitchellmtb7202 2 жыл бұрын

IME, Galfer metal pads don’t bed in 100% until about 4000’ of descent. They take a while to get 100% and they are noisy at lower speeds. At a bike park when they heat up, they are silent, or make a pleasant whizzing sound. Also plot twist, Galfer makes OEM pads from Magura, Shimano.

@ilanblondy9711 3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much brother such an awesome top notch testing :)))) right on time !!! we appriciate the effort in this video. so overall which one is a winner rotor in terms of stoping power?/ ice tech or galfer ? after testing it foe a while ? boom and thanks much jeep doing awesome videos!!! ELI

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

Well thanks watching first off. I did test them for a while and now switched to TRP rotors that are 2.3mm thick. There are reasons for that but between galfer and ice tech, probably worth going to trp rotors. Ha... not the answer you wanted but it’s the truth they are really amazing rotors. Need to get working on that video to explain why.

@mijk69 3 жыл бұрын

I've ridden for years the shimano rt66 180mm rotors. Recently tried the galfer 2mm rotors in the same size. In my opinion they offer better modulation but are lacking some power (same pads and bedded well). I think it's because of the bigger cutouts in the rotor and therefore they haven't got the same surface size interacting with the pads.

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

After a time since this video, I would probably agree on your observation. Also, I find the front rotor flexes in fast descents too. What pads were you using? I also used Galfer pads but was getting better results with the mtx pads. Now going to test out the trp 2.3 rotors, cut outs are not as profound as they are just drilled holes.

@mijk69 3 жыл бұрын

@@travelthenarrowtrail8660 I also have the XTR 4 pot brakes with the original N03A resin pads. No other options there for me. The RT66 always worked fine - dead silent and powerful. Occasionally I had some warped rotors due to the 1,8 mm thickness. Recently Shimano moved their productionline from Japan to China and the RT 66 rotors are now stamped rather than laser cut, so they are really crap now and this lead me to try the Galfer rotors. I don't know if they flex but I can clearly hear a slight buzzing noise, especially in the front, in addition to the issues I mentioned before. Just ordered the Hayes D-Series 180mm, 1,95mm thickness, 150gr. rotors.

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

@@mijk69 Ah, this should be nice, let me know how they work out. Yeah, Trickstuff and Magura also make a 2.0mm rotor but the Trickstuff is harder to get if you are in North America because they are in Spain.

@mijk69 3 жыл бұрын

@@travelthenarrowtrail8660 Yeah, the Hayes rotors are perfect. Good looks, tons of power and modulation.... and yes they are silent - no whirring noise like from the Galfers wavedesign. Just the way I want it. One of them was slightely bent as new, so I had to straighten it. The mounting holes are 5,1mm like the Shimanos while the Galfers are 5,5mm wich made them whobble up and down. Trickstuff is well known over here in Europe. By the way they are German like Brakestuff. You should check them out if you want some custom made rotors with your name on them. How about the TRP rotors? New video soon?

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

@@mijk69 I meant to tell you, I also noticed a buzzing noise in the front 203mm rotor. The 180 in the back doesn't do it but the front does. I contacted Galfer about it and they had no answers and said its not something that happens. I even sent them a video showing the noise. But if it happened to you as well that tells me its not an isolated thing and they have to know it happens but deny it. I think its because the cut outs. Yes, will probably do another video with the 2.3mm TRP rotors on. I'm interested also in Braking Brakes (w-fix batfly rotor 1.9mm) and Trickstuff 2.05 rotor, but both are European and hard to get in the USA. I think I've tracked down a German website that ships to the USA the Trickstuff rotors so might attempt a shot at that. Not sure what country you are in but these might be a future purchase for you. I've heard both companies make really good pads too. I saw the Hayes rotors but all out of stock here in the USA so its a no go.

@blackwidowpowersports6037 3 ай бұрын

Love your video very useful information I plan on doing a video for the hope tech 4 v4 Vs Shimano 2 piston and 4 piston

@scottp4402 5 ай бұрын

Great Info: But I'm a bit curious about the substantially less metal surface for the pads on the Galfer rotors despite the larger diameter of 180 vs 203mm. I can see the benefit of staying cooler, but also, pads obviously can negate the lesser metal, and perhaps also the type of steel they are made from. In addition, The concept of using different brake pads front and rear is great. I'm currently doing my research in choosing and buying the correct adapters for my climate and riding style. 👍

@karlstine2065 2 жыл бұрын

The test is good. Better to approach the line at a constant speed say 20mph.

@leefitler4597 Жыл бұрын

Def looked to be going faster in the beginning of the tests!

@J.Hong8765 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review. Wondering how you were able to fit the galfers in the shimano calipers. Galfers being thicker rotors, are you having issues with pads rubbing and fitment in the calipers? Thanks again for the review.

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 2 жыл бұрын

The Galfers fit no problem. However, the rotors have large holes in them and they do flex in huck drops or grippy fast turns, you can noticeably hear it. That is why I switched to TRP 2.3 rotors. They have small drilled holes and are very quiet compared to the Galfers, which are much louder.

@briangong007 Жыл бұрын

Nice video. One thing not mentioned is cost comparison. Galfer rotors and MTX pads in my area are less expensive than Shimano. I used to run Shimano rotors and pads only. I now run Galfer rotors with Galfer or MTX pads...

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 Жыл бұрын

Whoa, in the presence of greatness, awesome to have Dagonger chime in! Thanks for sharing your comments and stopping by.

@briangong007 Жыл бұрын

@@travelthenarrowtrail8660 😊😉😂

@GBrakesUSA 3 жыл бұрын

thanks for the review!

@VikingRasbornStrong Жыл бұрын

I love Galfer wave and MTX Front 223x2 rotors + 4 piece MTX red with Magura mt5 calipers Rear 203x2 Magura STORM HC rotors, MTX 4 piece Red, MT5 calipers Dialed power house modulation. My stopping distances with gravity punch braking from a good sprint on road = 3-5 ft.

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 Жыл бұрын

Sounds amazing and strong power.

@VikingRasbornStrong Жыл бұрын

Just upgraded from galfer wave 203 to 223. Needed 63mm adapter. . And XT servo wave lever for front for a Shigura setup. MT501 temp for rear.... Massive power and modulation with a light touch. Even less arm pump lol

@DaBinChe Жыл бұрын

Ceramic pads is quieter than metallic, this holds true in cars too. Also ceramic also has less brake dust

@302hardtailr6 2 жыл бұрын

Nice work! Thank you for your time and effort. I am getting ready to go to 2.0mm thick rotors on my bike. Trying the SRAM HS2’s in 200mm.

@Montezuma0 11 ай бұрын

How were the Sram rotors?

@302hardtailr6 11 ай бұрын

They have been perfect. Lever feel and performance have been very consistent.

@VikingRasbornStrong Жыл бұрын

Also. Bear in mind big diff in track width for 223 and 203 and contact patch overall...

@CarlosSoto-re2oj 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Will definitely check out the MTX pads.

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

You won't be disappointed.

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

Glad to see you in yum yum livestream earlier.

@CarlosSoto-re2oj 3 жыл бұрын

@@travelthenarrowtrail8660 likewise! 🤙🏽

@miguelnavarro2571 3 жыл бұрын

Hey brother, great video! I too just got a set of Gold MTX pads and been complaining about the noise I'm also now hearing from your bike as well. That noise brings a vibration through the bike, are you feeling that? The noise and squeal sure sounds the same and I feel like it would vibrate at it's noisiest. Due to the vibration I tend to let off, but I can tell the pads are good, but that vibration! Curious to hear your thoughts. Cheers

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Miguel, thanks for watching. So I have a question to answer your question. Did you put new rotors on with the new pads or were they the same rotors? Which pads were you using before you put the MTX pads on? I'm getting several questions on this and I'm thinking of doing a video on what I think the cause is. However, I'll wait to hear your response.

@VikingRasbornStrong Жыл бұрын

I switched to MTX RED MT5

@MancWithAMouth Жыл бұрын

Trp do a 3mm rotor the other thing regarding shimano drifting power / modulation would be to use a higher boiling point oil.

@ZR1KOH 3 жыл бұрын

Galfer rotors are 2mm thick? Hmm, I'm interested in this set up.

@mtbboy1993 3 жыл бұрын

great video, comparison.

@loicbrunich 2 жыл бұрын

Please make an overview of the Galfer 246 mm wheels and how they brake

@TnFruit 2 жыл бұрын

Why you didn't use a speed sensor?🙈

@J.Hong8765 2 жыл бұрын

Just read your comment on the trp. I am also interested running the trp 2.3 with my shimano xt 8020. Just wondering how the install process was since shimano calipers are made for 1.8 mm thick rotors. Did you have any caliper rubbing issue with the trp rotors. Any problems. Thanks. Great video

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry for responding so late, I just saw this comment. Just make sure your pistons are pushed all the way into the calipers. They will fit. You will have to readjust your caliper’s slightly too. You’ll love this hack. Check out my new video on this.

@J.Hong8765 2 жыл бұрын

I just read your comment about the trp rotors. I am also interested In running trp 2.3 with my xt m8020 shimano calipers. Are you having any issues with the fit and calipers rubbing. How was the install process with thicker rotors. Thanks again. Very comprehensive video.

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! So I still need to get this video out because I get asked about this all the time. For shimano, TRP 2.3 has a tight clearance but they fit. I would advise TRP metallic pads or MTX golds. If the rotors were not bent at all in shipping, they should be straight and if the wheels are true, no issue will arise. If there happens to be, you can take some high grit sand paper and place on a flat surface and sand about 1mm off the pad surface, but this should not happen at all. You will not regret 2.3 rotors from TRP. They are really good and will increase your XT's braking power.

@J.Hong8765 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply. Appreciate the prompt response. Love your videos

@brianwilliams2907 3 жыл бұрын

I really like your channel but what you're really describing is lever "throw", ie the distance of pull before the brakes start to engage. "Modulation" is more of a term to describe how much lever throw before the brakes grab like crazy. For example, I hate Shimano brakes: you pull a little and then all of a sudden they grab like crazy. Whereas, with SRAM Guides or G2's, you can pull a little, you get a little braking. Pull a little more, you get a little more. Etc....So they are more linear in that you don't pull, then pull just a bit more and "BAM" they grab like Shimano's.

@darrinkulyk9560 Жыл бұрын

I Just Ordered 2 Sets Red and Gold For My Saints 😎 I Live In VanCity

@XCRiders 2 ай бұрын

How can we be sure you are consistent with your timing? Hard to do.

@trailhuntercy4433 3 жыл бұрын

JUST SUBSCRIBED!!!!NICEEEEE!!!!

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard! Appreciate you...

@blazen4872 3 жыл бұрын

please can you do test with shimano standards and galfer standards on shimano slx/xt rotor

@mtbboy1993 3 жыл бұрын

I got Trickstuff Dähle HD223mm offered to me so I went for it, I will see how they perform.

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

You know what, I think you will like them better. The reason I think is the holes on the rotor where the pad touches are not a big as the Galfer giving a more silent and stronger rotor that does not flex. I wanted to try the Dächle-Disc but Trickstuff is difficult to obtain in the USA. I need to do my next video to indicate what I'm running now. The HD223 rotor is a 2.05mm thick and now I'm running at 2.3mm thick. That's right, 2.3mm from TRP and love them. That's for the next video.

@mtbboy1993 3 жыл бұрын

@@travelthenarrowtrail8660 they are out of stock, so can't get them anyway. I got mine second hand, I think it was half price. Along with some other goodies. DT Swiss wheels with 350 hubs, trying shorter atlas cranks, and Installed Ext Era fork. I got the last one in stock in Norway for a while. Much stiffer arch, crown, little sticktion, less flex, lovely. Not tested it yet, only did short testing around my home. The rotors seem to work well, but if you hit them they make a noise.

@TivonSanders 2 жыл бұрын

So I'm 5'11 and around 200 pounds (maybe more; I weight train on a regular basis). I have really strong legs and can pick up a lot of power with tail winds on the road with my mountain bike, which is a little over 40 pounds, which is on the heavier side. What size rotor and brake pad material would you recommend once I start riding on the trails?

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 2 жыл бұрын

Depends on what kind of bike you are riding and what type of trails. Trail bike and XC bikes usually go with 180 front and rear. All mountain or enduro bikes will usually do 203 front and 180 rear and some do 203f and 203R. For heavier rides I recommend metallic sintered pads for best power.

@jamble7k 2 жыл бұрын

so these 2mm rotors - do they suffer from any more brake rub than the standard 1.8mm ones? any noticable difference in modulation? wondering for an ebike whether it's worth the upgrade

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching the video. I would now recommend TRP rotors. The Galfer tend to flex a little but to answer your question... No, regular pads will not rub any more than 1.8 rotors. Just make sure your pistons are pushed all the way in on your caliper.

@nanaksoriano5313 3 жыл бұрын

nice review

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

Hope it was helpful...

@killgates9890 Жыл бұрын

Best mtb brakes

@dustinbjohnson 3 жыл бұрын

Looking at snagging a set of galfer rotors!

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great plan. Tip: just be aware that Galfer is a company from Spain and their "sister" company is in Nevada. However, they are not related if you have warranty issues. So purchase from Galfer USA incase you have an issue.

@MrMrmarkpeck 3 жыл бұрын

May I ask how do you adjust the difference in thickness on the hydraulics without it Rubbing 🤔????

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

These are only .2mm thicker, which is not much. But adjustments begin with the pistons, making sure they are pushed all the way in. Then make sure your caliper is aligned with your rotor and if it rubs loosen the allen bolts securing the caliper to the frame/fork and adjust till silent. If you do all this, there is room for the rotor to spin without rubbing the pads.

@BakiYuku Жыл бұрын

How did you get the Galfar 2mm rotors aligned I'm having trouble getting them aligned so they dont rub I've bleed the brakes and pushed all the pots back in and use new pads but somehow having a really hard time getting rid of rub because there is wey less gap.

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 Жыл бұрын

You may need to loosen the two bolts that hold down the caliper. Then you'll have to realign the caliper so its not touching the rotors and slowly tighten up the 1st bolt then the second. If that doesn't work, you may have a slightly bent rotor. You local shop should have a disc tool to straighten it out. They can get bent during shipping. The other thing is if your rim is our of true, it could cause this. But try loosening the caliper first then align it and tighten back up.

@MrSupermugen Ай бұрын

@@travelthenarrowtrail8660 how does an 'out of true rim' effect the hub/axle interface????????? lol

@excelautodetailingceramicc1182 Жыл бұрын

Maybe I missed it but why didn’t you use Galfer pads?

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 Жыл бұрын

I have used their pads, they have a bit of a dull feel to them. I used to run their green pro compound, even though I didn't run them in this video.

@tigerbalm666 2 жыл бұрын

FYI: When your brakes are "touchy" you WILL ENDO!

@killgates9890 Жыл бұрын

Please tell how thick pads are too, i got rubbing no matter what i do

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 Жыл бұрын

They are brand new pads. Some people have told me this as well. Couple of things you can do. Take the pads out, make sure the pistons are all the way pushed into the caliper. Then reinstall. Some people told me they took sandpaper to their pads and shaved off 1mm with light grit and this took care of it too.

@reneh.6551 3 жыл бұрын

More power? Ok.... But more silent??? 🤔 for me they sound like a Turkey being chased 🦃... Still, nice test

@travelthenarrowtrail8660 3 жыл бұрын

Dead on correct. I've had them for some time now and they're a little finicky. Galfer recommends their pads, which are silent but feel dull like they won't stop you. Now testing some TRP rotors that are 2.3mm.