"Who steals a mountaineer?" dunno but a better question is who wilfully buys a mountaineer to drive?

Im so lost on these scanners...that I think I may just throw in the gloves on anything after 96...I can't tell what each brand does clearly....Sure, I know what Snap On Zeus does, or the Bosch unit...but its impossible to find a simple unit that does the main things, repgroamming replaced ecus, bidirectional commands, and module code reading....I borrowed this one that one, and somehow, each one is missing a function for the car Im working on..... Its frustrating...and then I have my own cars to work on (a few are OBD)....and Id like to get at least one fixed before I kick it...

@@RipRoaringGarage I've never seen a tool that did everything, including the factory tools. They all have holes. You learn what works best for your applications by trial and error.

@@WatchWesWork Thanks. I kind of figured it...Ive been out of the business for a long time recovering and I feel very...very left behind. And broke LOL. Im lucky if I manage to get a snapon ratchet lol (who am I kidding, I buy CDI..lol)

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That's right, a round head key for the door, trunk and glove box, a square head key for the ignition, manual crank windows too!! YEA!!

Make fun all you want but the system worked.

AC was roll down the windows and open the vent glass, drive faster or slower for more or less air.

Back when you could start the car without opening the doors

And the trunk

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My dad always did this for his truck and my moms car so he only had one key

They'll take almost anything sadly.

They are not that bad! There is a following for these... stealing one with a good transmission is not a bad investment.. as it its usually the trans that goes on these... and with so many happy owners, there is a steady market for transmissions.

In some ways it's a smart move as they are probably worth more as parts and because it's older people wouldn't think it had been stolen and they could ask top money for the parts.

I don't even have a key for my tail gate. The electric locks work.

My motor home has 23 locks and 7 different keys.

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White Knuckle Towing service will have to wait another day.

Expense or fright?! LoL 🤣😆

You are correct! I was a Ford Tech back in the day at Reynolds Ford, and it is true that the end is for the ignition and halfway up is for the doors.

Yep, did that to a '93 Taurus. Lock cylinder wore out.

Another fun fact, about 95% of the police interceptor impala's used the same door and ignition key. Most cop cars become cabs after their duty life is over. So back in the day, almost every cabbie out there was walking around with keys to any cop car they wanted.

Not true at all. There are "5 cuts" for the door locks and "6 cuts" for the ignition. The "6th cut" for the ignition locksmiths have to have a key code from a dealership and a software program to calculate the "6th cut". Than the key needs to be programmed as they are "chipped". Im a Repossession agent and cut keys and 1000's of vechicle per year. Alot of vechicles especially high end vechicles have laser cut keys and none of the above applies or they are RFID key fobs with no key at all other than the door lock.

@@CCWSig yep and usually cop cars don't have chip keys or other immobilizer stuff so that the shop can cut new keys without the dealer.

And South Main Auto with Eric O. He talks stuff about car circuits that give me headaches.

On my 07 Transit connect you can only program a new key to the system, if you have both of the originals...does'n't work if you got the car with one key only... :-D

True. If you have two encoded keys you can always program another one using the procedure. I have an 01 Ranger and was left with only one key. Tired of the stress of having only one key, I needed to get another one. I went to the dealer, got a Ford OEM key, got it cut and, when I came back they figured they needed the code to program my new key...BUT FOMOCO doesn't have these codes anymore: too old they said! I was looking at a minimum of $250 to get it done professionally, no results guaranteed (Wes, you're too far from where I'm at!! 😉) I was finally able to sort it out on my own by placing the original encoded key and original transponder (plugged in) on a used ignition barrel ( just so they would be set right) wrapped the whole thing in foam and ziptied it underneath the dash. I can now start the truck with any aftermarket key. A hidden switch can always be set somewhere as an extra anti theft precaution. I have heard (and seen videos) some people manage to get the chip out and set it with the transponder. I figured I'd get the same result and avoid messing up my one precious original key. Hopefully this might help someone in a similar situation.

@@johndabato3316 I heard of that method too. Just works for people that have changed the ignition barrel with a used key from the scrapyard, they just poked out the transponder from the original key and taped it near the ignition switch, but they need still another or the original key for the doors...slightly unconvenient...

@@horstszibulski19 not at all 😀 I just used the scrapyard barrel to set the original key and transponder so they would be set at the correct spot. (Finding this spot without an extra barrel was simply impossible. It always moved and nine time out if ten wouldn't start.) I threw away the key that was in the scrapyard barrel, then cut the barrel in half so I could fit it under the dash and, slid the key in it. Key fits in, doesn't need to turn. Once the transponder is in place and plugged in, ignition on; it sends the correct signal to the anti theft unit. The original barrel itself is still in the steering column. This way I can use the duplicated key (not coded/no chip) to start the truck and open the doors as well. Sorry, I hope I was clear enough 🤔 Hard to explain, a lot easier to do!! 🤣

@@johndabato3316 Thx for that extended explain! Yes that way round it will work through! :-D

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I say we should send em to a vacation at a local penitentiary

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That all sounds fine, but the nearest locksmith who will do anything with chip keys is 45 miles, and whatever they will charge is more than the $60 I charge to learn the donor key. This rig is on serious budget.

@@WatchWesWork Fair enough, as long as the customer is aware of the risk of having mismatched keys. If they get tired of it they can always swing by a locksmith later.

Same here, wouldn't be hard to do, just some fiddling around and some files.

You're saying normal keys are symmetrical both sides, but only one side is used to push the lock pins? So you can have 2 different key shapes one each side, and depending which way you insert it into the lock determines which surface engages the lock? Meaning you can operate 2 different locks with one key?

I've never heard of that before. I thought both sides of the key had to be the same to work.

@@user-ln7of9gs4s Ask your locksmith and he can tell you the tip end of the key is ignition and the shank end is for the doors and tailgate... no fibs here, dead true I just re read that and see what you said... both sides are the same as both haves of the lock are the same but just at exact same I can't say... what I refer to is the end of the key, the part that goes into the tumbler is ignition and the last half.... both sides are doors and hatch. The whole key is not cut for either part, they share on the blank

@@jovangrbic97 If you count the teeth on the key, it will usually be the first four teeth on the key are ignition and push those pins in. On the rest of the key, the part closest to what you grip push the pins in the door locks.. You can trace a key with a pencil and it should match on either side to that copied line that you traced.

Yep, total truth!

Strathmore Alberta had our 96 Buick stolen out of our garage , apparently they used a coat hanger to grab the release cord via top of garage door ,they were meth heads and they totaled that great car .

@@oldbiker9739 Simple but clever. Never thought of that, going to make sure mine is secured. Thanks for sharing

that would require the other shop still having the lock cylinder, and that lock cylinder not being wrecked by the would-be thieves.

forklift wheel lift is a great idea 👍

@@rustyjeep2469 I know, right! Just hook it to the where the forks would hang, you could use a cylinder to extend the reach if you wanted to, or go old school manual reach. Then either forks for the wheels or to frame lift dogs like a heavy truck frame lift. No dorking around, just lift and stuff it where you want it.. Easy Peasy ( he would be the envy of KZfaq shops )

@@PandaMan02 Looks like they were too stupid to bugger the lock and thought it was an old Pontiac you could just "hot wire" old school.. Freaking kids these days, no class, no tech.. Even I have a set of bypass keys...lol

And a corded scan tool would be my choice, since there's no bluetooth dongle to forget and leave in some flighty customer's car.

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It's almost like there was some reason why we didn't just use the original lock cylinder...

I don't think that will work since the antenna in the column is not original.

@@WatchWesWork The PCM is what determines if the key is correct. An antenna is just an antenna...

BMWs with pillarless doors have this well, have to recalibrate them after a battery disconnect etc.

@@ferrumignis Actually the Stang is quite tolerant of hard disconnects of the battery, other than the clock and radio presets. It's when the charge decays as the battery goes dead that the bugs crawl in. Heck, even back in the 1990s, there were cars which needed a security code for the radio, I think every time the battery was disconnected. Seems logical that quite a few of those codes got away from those vehicles over a couple of decades of use...

never had to do that on my 08 GTCS drop top and the battery on mine when DEAD DEAD three times since I bought it new 1st one in 2012 2nd 2017 3rd 2021 "last month"

@@Giovanni_Litterini I wonder what caused it on mine then. I assumed it was battery charge decay. Some GM products will start the wipers wiping as the battery goes dead - with the keys not even in the ignition!! Maybe Ford figured it out and fixed that problem after 2005 and before 2008. Mine is a first-year '05, so it probably has problems which were rectified in subsequent years.