Precision rifle FAQ.... Does adding a suppressor change performance?

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Ever wondered what happens when you add a suppressor to your long range rifle? In this video we'll take an in depth look at how adding a suppressor to a long range precision rifle impacts performance. First up we'll shoot my .308 bolt gun unsuppressed where we'll measure bullet velocity, group size and drop on multiple targets out to 1100 yds. Then we'll add the surefire socom suppressor and shoot the same course of fire noting any changes to the performance of the package.
Rifle details:
- pristine action
- proof research .308 carbon fiber barrel- 1 in 10" twist
- MDT XRS chassis
- accu-tac bipod
Optic:
- Riton 7 conquer 3-18 with PSR reticle
Ammunition:
- Federal gold medal match with the 175 gr sierra match king bullet
00:00 Intro
02:04 Gear review
05:47 unsuppressed -100 yd velocity and grouping
07:59 unsuppressed- 517 yds
09:36 unsuppressed- 820 yds
12:02 unsuppressed- 1100 yds
14:38 suppressed- 100 yd velocity and grouping
17:51 suppressed- 517 yds
19:15 suppressed- 820 yds
20:50 suppressed- 1100 yds
23:31 Shooting performance review
27:31 My thoughts
27:56 Closing comments

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@mikecross2435 Жыл бұрын

Are there trees on your planet?

@Swampfox42 Жыл бұрын

Haha!

@Schrodingers_kid Жыл бұрын

Perfect comment

@mr_mongo7228 Жыл бұрын

Trees are those the sticks that grow out of the ground?

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Ha given I live in a straight up desert trees are rare and only found by a water source of some sort. Makes for epic terrain for shooting though!

@steelcitytbirds Жыл бұрын

Trees come in packages of 8.5x11 stacks for recording your dope.

@ForgottenRebel77 Жыл бұрын

my man really lives on the windows XP desktop

@Hoplopfheil Жыл бұрын

Amber waves of grain in the foreground, Windows XP default wallpaper in the background. Lovely.

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Man it’s a long range shooting paradise! Very thankful to be able to shoot in this spot.

@daltonisom6265 2 ай бұрын

Finally someone is doing long distance with a suppressor! Great video… I’m tired of everyone always doing ar15 and suppressor videos.

@tomi6261 Жыл бұрын

I truly like your video format consistency. I also greatly appreciate the data you bring as it is always useful and interesting. I make sure to mention your channel every time I talk to or chat with others online. I hope to see this channel continually grow. Best of luck

@ArthursAtman Жыл бұрын

this channel is gold

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Make sure to share with your buddies!

@ArthursAtman Жыл бұрын

@@MountainsMulletsMerica already sent out your .300 blackout vid in a couple emails :)

@westtexas3041 9 ай бұрын

I started watching the channel after I saw you on Texas Plinking. I love your channel. The format is outstanding.

@1BXB 11 ай бұрын

Very professional video. I appreciate the side-by-side comparison. You are providing meaningful info that is validated.

@MountainsMulletsMerica 11 ай бұрын

Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch. Lots more content like this in the works…. Hoping to do a side by side compare with 308 next so hope you’ll stay tuned and don’t forget to share with your buddies!

@execsapp9587 Жыл бұрын

This channel is a gem, i've only seen these results shown in research papers and never talked about commonly, this is the lords work.

@WindRiderPNW Жыл бұрын

Absolutely love watching all your videos. I deeply appreciate the "gear review". It's one of the key reasons your videos are at the top of my lists to watch. And the timelines are another plus for when I go back and re-watch the video's again. Your content is spot on for tips of what works and why. Keep up the great work. If I remember correctly your in WA State. I live near Puget Sound area and have an cousin in the Dalles area. If you ever think of hosting a shoot I know we would both love to come and hang out. And the hat design is perfect for you channel. Don't think I would change a thing.

@arapahoetactical7749 Жыл бұрын

Very well done! You do a great job of minimizing variables in these and you prove the points you set out to.

@brianebert753 Жыл бұрын

This is a great channel lots of great practical information and proof of points. The content is really helpful. The comments are also informed. The hat design looks really thought out and relays the name of the channel. Thanks for all the information and keep doing what you're doing.

@bengaffney9285 Жыл бұрын

Great channel, great format, visuals and presentation. Love the presentation style, the way you describe the intent of the video and then walk us through step by step in a logical sequence. You're asking and answering all those questions that pop into shooters minds which is great.

@joestickel4505 Жыл бұрын

Just had this discussion the other day. Did some testing as well, good to see similar results. One source isnt confirmation so it helps to see more testing from different sources. Good video.

@robertmontes1468 Ай бұрын

This was an incredibly done video. It was the first one of yours I've ever watched. I normally don't subscribe after just one video but after how well you did this, I subscribed immediately!

@MountainsMulletsMerica Ай бұрын

Really appreciate the support! I’ve got a lot of new content in the works and I’m trying to make each video better than the last so hope you’ll stay tuned and be a part of the growth!

@davidplatt8915 Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the content. I have experienced similar results with a somewhat similar rig.

@5.56NTO Жыл бұрын

Been waiting for this vid, can’t wait to watch it!

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Man I hope it met your expectations!

@davefowler7146 3 ай бұрын

awesome job as usual.. definitely getting some education here o my end.. thank you

@Spin-Drift-Ballistics Жыл бұрын

Another great video. I don't shoot suppressed, but I would've bet there would be a large bullet drop difference. Thanks for running that down.

@InRaptorED Жыл бұрын

Absolutely logical videos. Definitely surprised the distance accuracy didn't drop more. Thanks for the class.

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

@ormelygumphungent7722 Ай бұрын

Having the view through scope was wonderful. But I can't hold that steady. That was something to see...just how steady you hold position.

@sautoter411 Жыл бұрын

From the uk here, we have been using suppressors for many years, on centrefire riflei have seen points of impact changes from 2in upto 10 in high,depending on barrel contour,and very rarely an horizontal shift in poi, Best wishes, your vids are very good,rgds steve

@RanchoFiascoMike Жыл бұрын

Great content as always. Always something valuable to apply to our shooting that shortens the learning curve

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear you’re finding value in watching my content! Hope you’ll stay tuned, I’ve got a ton of awesome videos in the works!

@thermodynamical5635 4 ай бұрын

Wow. High quality video information out of nowhere in my search. Thanks a lot. I thought your presentation would be something I would find out of field and stream.

@MountainsMulletsMerica 4 ай бұрын

Really appreciate the kind words! Just a regular guy out here trying to create entertaining and valuable content. Thanks for watching and hope you’ll stick around for more!

@thermodynamical5635 4 ай бұрын

I'll certainly stop by every now and then; I subscribed.

@Blackberries.86 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video, greetings from the UK 🇬🇧

@rujimbob 9 ай бұрын

Great vid!. Just acquired a 6mm ACR and found your channel. I've had about a 200fps increase with an older GemTech suppressor on my 300 win mag with a savage 110FLP bolty. hasn't changed my point of aim for northern Idaho/Western Wyoming big game. Can't wait to see how the Odin 6ARC performs.

@Schultz344 Жыл бұрын

The most informative and helpful gun tuber channel.

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Really cool to hear you’re finding value in my videos! Lots of fresh content in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!

@Schultz344 Жыл бұрын

@@MountainsMulletsMerica 1.5 is my speed drop number for my 5.56 and I'm dying to test it out.

@AZMarine513 Жыл бұрын

With my precision rifles and my Omega 300. Velocity bumps up between 30 to 40ft/sec. Vertical deviation of 1.5" to 2". Groups generally shoot slightly tighter but nothing significant.

@fitz6434 Жыл бұрын

Loved the video! I have 2 .308 rifles. The first has a 1x-6x zero is 37 yards. The second rifle has a 20” barrel and a 4x-14x zero at 100 yards.

@NikolayVitkov Жыл бұрын

Great gun channel! Favourite to me and my brother. Wish you all the best and lots and lots of subscribers!

@RobZtaco Жыл бұрын

It’s interesting seeing the energy on plate at 800 vs 1100. Great video as always, we appreciate it!

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Now you’ve got me wanting to go back and compare…. Guess I didn’t even notice when I was editing this one haha

@RobZtaco Жыл бұрын

@@MountainsMulletsMericaI’d venture and say the bullet is going subsonic around the 900 yard mark. It still hits at 1100, but at 820, it HITS. I’m not up to date on 308 so, I could be off base.

@islayporkers3529 Жыл бұрын

Picked up my SFAR today, can’t get my suppressor till it gets out of jail though. So far 100 rounds in absolutely no issues, got a good one. Gonna do another 100 rounds when I get my Vortex Venom and see how she groups and push her out. Can’t wait!!

@jimmycrawfish1531 Жыл бұрын

love your stuff man, respect the info you put out

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch!

@youngsmith5647 Жыл бұрын

great video as usual, just love it, nice job, dude,

@BlackKnightX30 Жыл бұрын

awesome audio quality! earned a sub, just found your channel today, nice work!

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Really glad you decided to stop by! Lots of fresh content in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!

@damonsmith71712 Жыл бұрын

Another awesome video. Keep up the good work!

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

@paulc358 Ай бұрын

Great content! Always enjoy your videos as well as gaining some useful knowledge. Would have liked to see you zero with the magneto speed and then see if the zero had changed (or change in spread) when you removed it. Maybe you've already proven that shift in other videos?

@javiersp01 Жыл бұрын

Love your videos, thank you !

@Reaper1alpha Жыл бұрын

Pretty much my favorite guntuber now.

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Love hearing this! Really appreciate the support!

@airwolf... Жыл бұрын

Great job as always! I think it would be easier to visualize the data if you summarized it on a single piece of paper or slide. It can be difficult to remember the numbers from suppressed vs unsuppressed but having something like suppressed vs unsuppressed velocity and the drops side by side for the different ranges you fired at would make the summary much easier to comprehend. Also, 2.6 SD on that FGMM is insane!

@Scannerhead Жыл бұрын

Paul Harrell style.

@jonn8163 Жыл бұрын

Another awesome video! Thank you

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

@TravYFZ Жыл бұрын

Awesome vid! And I need one of them hats!

@bobmatthew5012 11 ай бұрын

Love the content. Love the hat. I’ll buy one if you make them available.

@jaredandrews379 7 ай бұрын

I'll be honest. Once I shoot suppressed I never shoot without it. Excellent video as always

@Duckhunterbow Жыл бұрын

I've seen pretty much the same results as you. POI shift, usually low, similar to slightly faster velocity, same accuracy. The main difference is enjoying the reduced noise and recoil.

@sahzookey Жыл бұрын

At 25 yards, my AR15 shoots 1 inch lower with my suppressor vs without. It is a fairly large suppressor, barrel has a medium contour profile. It is free floated; however the barrel nut isn't the most robust.

@peterdevries3602 Жыл бұрын

Great videos, keep it up dude!

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Tons of fresh content in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!

@Patrick-jt4dk 4 ай бұрын

First of all you are a talented shooter. The hat I Think would look much better with a triangle instead of being round.

@shannonmarcantel7993 Жыл бұрын

POI shift is expected but it needs to be repeatable and consistent. IMO for long range Thunder Beast is where it’s at.

@2Aknight762 Жыл бұрын

I suspect the carbon fiber barrel may be less affected by heating as you send rounds down range. An all steel barrel might behave differently. Barrel profile is also a big consideration.

@MuffinTopTactical 4 ай бұрын

Great video

@fr3d_fly351 Жыл бұрын

Yea man, I’ll grab one of those hats.

@fordvg Жыл бұрын

Good video, from what I have seen on another video that with a can on your rifle that it speeds up because of the extra length.

@kevinkiernan7362 Жыл бұрын

Great work!

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@charlesmullins3238 Жыл бұрын

You’d never lay bare ground like that here the ticks would have a field day….very bad in eastern Ky…I lay on 10’ tarp and still get eat up…can’t hardly walk to my target…hundreds I’ve picked off me…as a .308 man I like that setup….always good to se ya brother….matt

@jeremiahg2716 Жыл бұрын

New subscriber, really enjoy your videos!

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Really excited to have you! Lots of fresh content in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!

@NOorah-oj8gt Жыл бұрын

Excellent video and shooting 👍 For what it's worth: " favor = 1/2 of the distance from center to the edge of the target. Edge of target is self explanatory. Everything else is described in mils/minutes. Keep up the great work. Your videos are top notch!

@huntermartinez5431 Жыл бұрын

Great vid!

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@brandonrupp5880 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great information.

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

@brandonrupp5880 Жыл бұрын

@@MountainsMulletsMerica it would be cool to see a best AK battle zero like your other videos. Though it should be comparable to 300blk.

@Mr.Constitutionalist427 4 ай бұрын

On the 100 Yard Zero you can see the Suppressed have a much wider MOA than the Unsuppressed.

@commonsenseisntcommon5338 Жыл бұрын

Excellent, excellent, excellent!

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Appreciate it!

@LuisGarcia-un8wt 11 ай бұрын

Very nice scenery

@kevinelliott9679 Жыл бұрын

Keep up the good edutainment

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

I’ll do my best! I’ve got so many content ideas but work gets in the way of getting them all filmed…. Wish I could spend more time filming and less time working haha. Thanks for watching!

@donharris7597 Жыл бұрын

If you are sniping it whatever drop you may get you will compensate anyway right. I suspect a little drop with slight difference in less velocity at longer range. But it's so much better on my ears and you won't be scaring all the rest of the game off.

@HammerheadCF 7 ай бұрын

Great test! Methodical and analytical w/usable data. Thanks! 1 question though. Which ballistics app are you using?

@garyjohns4711 Жыл бұрын

groups will tighten

@dontworrybout2664 11 ай бұрын

This is a great channel

@MountainsMulletsMerica 11 ай бұрын

Thank you! Lots of fresh content coming so hope you’ll stay tuned. Don’t forget to share with your buddies!

@ru2yaz33 Жыл бұрын

Interesting, I wonder how the suppressor would effect shot groups with different barrel lengths, thinkness/design, and materials. You would think the suppressor (different lengths and weights) effects the barrel harmonics and shot grouping...now thinking about it, this might be reflected by the impact locations.

@chrisruthford4492 Жыл бұрын

I love how you prove all the internet experts wrong with your actions, no arguments just solid shooting. Especially the people who say 308 isn't any good past 800yds.😂

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Ha my goal is to let the performance of the gear in each video do the talking. No clue where the idea that 308 is useless past 800yds comes from but as you can see here that’s very much so false haha

@biggiet1041 Жыл бұрын

Great content

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@freddyw4555 Жыл бұрын

Good one

@tomboehlke9480 Жыл бұрын

So, I started to watch, and you triggered my OCD🙄 in first minute and have had a shot and a beer.😵‍💫 So headed back to watch the video to see the outcome as I have wandered about this a lot. Looking to the sticker free bipod videos.🤗 My liver thanks future you with sticker free Accu-Tac bipods video's. 🤗And as always sure I will learn lots from this video!!!!!!🤔

@gilream 11 ай бұрын

seek help

@joewentz7839 Жыл бұрын

It will move POI based on added suppressor weight (which changes barrel harmonics) - all else should remain the same. I think. 🙂

@l.robertvandyke4398 19 күн бұрын

Great channel

@MountainsMulletsMerica 19 күн бұрын

Really glad you’re enjoying the content! Lots of new videos coming so hope you’ll stay tuned to check them out!

@gilream 11 ай бұрын

I find your video results consistent with my experience and I really enjoy your video content. Very informative and genuine real world results.

@jeffkalina7727 2 ай бұрын

Love your concept here. Good Work. Now the hat. Get some color in there as it is a touch sleepy looking. Or is that just me!?

@cornydad 7 ай бұрын

I'm just getting into shooting with silencers and got the Garmin Zero to check velocity difference. Going to shoot out to 1000 in a couple days and interested to see the difference for myself.

@frankopanklaric Жыл бұрын

That led light on side of the target is cool. Have you ever hit it?

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Yes it’s taken a couple impacts but it’s designed for that. That part of the light is a flexible type of rubber that self heals if a bullet hits it. The actual hard parts of the light are protected behind the plate. Awesome tool for long range shooting

@Bizill75 Жыл бұрын

Without having watched the video yet I know that groups will shift. So long as you can unmount and re-mount with repeatability then those groups should stay consistent. Don't expect to be on target when you remove the can, obviously. So opt to zero the gun with the suppressor mounted or unmounted and leave it alone. If you want it suppressed but have to remove it every time for transportation purposes, then use a quick mount system that's repeatable. People seem to hate Q products due to K. Brittingham or whatever his name is, but I happen to enjoy my Thunder Chicken. Thinking about picking up a 300 PRC and testing out some super long distance shooting using the can...

@Bizill75 Жыл бұрын

AFA super long distance, I'll predict the suppressor not slowing the bullet but rather speeding it up and necessitating elevation adjustment accordingly. Seems the suppressor will slow it, but I think it might speed it up. Let's see as I continue to watch your vid...

@Bizill75 Жыл бұрын

...and, I was right. I remembered from reading, reading, reading. I haven't shot long range suppressed yet as my Armalite AR10-T isn't threaded and I'll probably want to get a bolt gun anyway.

@Bizill75 Жыл бұрын

And thank you for the vid and all your vids, for that matter. Great, informative as well as entertaining vids...

@Parado1994 Жыл бұрын

Humble guy, I like how you don't try to be GT like every other G*ntuber, great content.

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Thank you, really appreciate the compliment! Tons of other great gun channels KZfaq that have found success with that video structure but I’m hoping to do something a little different. I really think I’ve found a unique niche in the guntube space and plan to keep pumping out content just like this. Hope you’ll stay tuned!

@andygray1408 Жыл бұрын

No surprises here. Too many misconceptions with suppressors due to games and lack of experience with them. I like how you break it down barney style. I would like to see the repeatability of POI shift between taking the suppressor on and off. Although with it being a surefire can it probably is gonna be consistent.

@johnmeyer3163 Жыл бұрын

Common to have 1/5 flyer with proof carbon fiber barrel. Why I will only go stainless. Other KZfaqrs have confirmed this.

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Interesting…. Guess I didn’t realize that was a thing. Do you know which other gun tubers have put out content showing the fliers from carbon fiber barrels? Nothing I’m terribly worried about though, adding the can really tightened things up.

@sramrajs Жыл бұрын

Nice 👍

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@U.SFreedomU.S 6 ай бұрын

Great video! Great results! Question- why did you choose to wear the ear pro with the can? Was it still to loud?

@MountainsMulletsMerica 6 ай бұрын

Yes, SuperSonics through a suppressed rifle are still too loud for me to repeatedly shoot without ear pro. The can makes things much more comfortable but far from quiet.

@U.SFreedomU.S 6 ай бұрын

@@MountainsMulletsMerica interesting. Did not know that. I’m thinking I may get the Q Thunder chicken.

@kellbob4726 Жыл бұрын

Love those rolling hills what state are you in really like your work

@justinlabar1733 Жыл бұрын

He’s in central Washington I believe

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Yep as mentioned below I’m located in WA state… as you can see it’s a long range paradise!

@milo555100 Жыл бұрын

My poi shift is exactly .5 mil lower at 100yds out of a 26” Desert Tech SRS A1 using a silencerco .30 cal suppressor. Your shift looked to be the same. Wondering if a “low shift” is common? Reading comments. Thank you for providing your very interesting content. Thoughtful, helpful video!!

@ttokentv1631 Жыл бұрын

It is very common, same thing with all my rifles when i throw a can on.

@milo555100 Жыл бұрын

@@ttokentv1631thank you!

@coltenswindle3827 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if a flow through suppressor would have less of an effect on the standard deviation?

@damonsmith71712 Жыл бұрын

I know you’ve probably answered this question in the past but what shooter app do you find the most consistent? Dialing in my 6ARC with Hornady 4dof hasn’t proven itself effective for me. It’s off at least a few 10ths on average compared to other ballistic calculators

@arnaldobertoli9566 Жыл бұрын

I wonder how long it takes him to make those good quality videos

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

I’m still working on getting my filming and editing process down but it seems like 2 afternoons of filming at the range and then 4-6 hours of editing. Much more time investment in these videos than I originally expected haha. That said I really appreciate the support!

@Colin8979 Жыл бұрын

Would absolutely love to know if there is any difference on Suppressed vs Un-Suppressed on a Gas Gun like an AR10/LR308

@jcknives4162 Жыл бұрын

Bullet strike may rise slightly, accuracy will likely not change much.

@glennhaggard6633 Жыл бұрын

I don't often wear hats but I'd buy one of yours

@bishopm4401 Жыл бұрын

I’ve seen a lot of suppressors on precision guns and had been wondering if it was a performance benefit or just because they all CAN(hahahahaa)

@johnsanford3043 Жыл бұрын

.6 mil elevation shift on my 30 cal. Seems to be similar. Small velocity increase as well, 10-25 fps?

@Steeveajocelyn Жыл бұрын

My man.

@Lordporter1 Жыл бұрын

Factory ammo variance is vary obvious at those distances. I was surprised to see you were shooting factory match. Might be worth weighing them and shorting them to try to lower that variance.

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

I believe shooting factory ammo is a bit more relatable for the viewer. Sure I could work up a handload that maybe performs a little better but that would be something specific to my rifle and loading abilities. By running factory match I believe it establishes a baseline that any viewer can replicate. Sure I’ve shot handloads on video but for something like this I think factory ammo is a better fit. Thoughts on that?

@sanifsan Жыл бұрын

23:32 for the results

@TheStormHelix Жыл бұрын

What app do you use for dialing the distance?

@RJWaffle Жыл бұрын

Correct me if I’m wrong here, but wouldn’t the dope for the ranges be fairly identical since the POA/POI shift for the can was already delt with when the rezero happened?

@MountainsMulletsMerica Жыл бұрын

Well that’s the main thing I’m showing in this video and yes I’d say the results shown in the video match your comment exactly. Seems like a lot of people think suppressors drastically change velocity or range and if that were the case then the bullet drop would also be different. Given velocity barely changes though bullet drop is nearly identical.