The only issue I have with this gun is the muzzle flash. This thing was literally the perfect auto rifle. 720 rpm high range high handling zen moment AND LIGHTWEIGHT?? Some people might be able to get over the visual clutter but I just can’t 😔

Whenever I'm losing rumble I like to tell myself "it's bc it's wallah on another dudes account making a KZfaq video"

Ain’t no way ma boy disrespected the jiangshi ar1

My friend said you destroyed him in trials the other day it gave me a good laugh lol

thank you wallah i can now never unsee the flashbang in my face when i use this gun lmao

Yk honestly I didn’t notice the muzzle flash until you pointed it out 😂 either way it’s one of my favorite autos atm

Bungie's said more than once that MnK has more bullet bending while controller has more reticle friction and both are components of aim assist. As for the muzzle flash, I just think controller users are more accustomed to visual clutter because PC players can often just remove extra noise from their screens. Either way, I can see why the MnK makes it harder to deal with muzzle flash and I'm on a controller.

I think the muzzle flash is bad because it has a purple (void) AND white (kinetic) flash at the same time which makes it kind of too much. It may also just be something im noticing now and was on most energy primary weapons and I have no clue what im talking about. Edit: Nvm most weapons have the white flash regardless of energy type but I think the white one is super exaggerated on this gun specifically.

Arc Logic had the same issue. solid rolled gun but would give you a seizure if the trigger was held down

that muzzle flash gave me flashbacks to that one Iron Banner Auto that had the same issue (The Forward Path)

What even is convergence?! I haven’t seen that damn map in 8 months! Forever stuck with cathedral of dusk

The muzzle flash could be that one muzleflash bug where it makes a gun's muzzle flash too large, I think I remember it happened with things like Bygones or whatever weapon it was. I know one of the old gambit weapons had a large muzzle flash bug though. But seeing this, Bungie might say something about it and patch it.

i really love how much more insightful these weapon reviews have gotten and how you relate them to your normal pvp advice

There is something about this model frame and muzzle flash issues. The moon auto had the same problem

The Moon-rifle(crucible) looks pretty nice.

As a 720 lover, the issue for me is how much the gun shakes when shooting regardless of stability. Some autos just seem to shake less than others and at least for controller it’s kind of a big deal for the feel. An example would be like Rufus’s fury compared to this, or for 600’s sorrow’s verse compared to summoner

That is some OG Sweet Business muzzle flash

Love the raw gameplay W vid wallah boy

speaker sight making orbs when it heals people is insane and I didn't even realize it was doing that in PvE despite at least one warlock running that almost all the time in contest

Reminds me of the banner ar when it has that nasty muzzle flash

I been using the curated roll all weekend in Trials and it felt great. KW bumps you up 5m in range to 32 and gives that insane 40 in handling to put you at like 85. Then you got the 15% dmg buff from GT and you shred people at all resil and if you manage to get a nade or melee for the 2nd stack you cant lose a fight. As a KB&M player I didn't even register the muzzle flash until you brought it up here, It gave me zero issues so I cant speak on it but I dont think its really that big of a deal.

1) Xbox user that got the void pve combo on it. Def hadn't noticed the muzzle flash before. Without question feel like I'll notice it now. So thanks for that, lol. 2) I'm almost positive Riposte frame wise/design wise is a reskin of Arc Logic. Which ALSO used to have a MASSIVE muzzle flash issue if you remember. Kind of hilarious that the reskin has the same issue, lol.

I said the exact same thing about the flash on the first week, and this is the first time I've seen anyone else mention it. Good to know im not imagining it lol I was in love with this auto for a few matches (I even got a 5/6 god roll) then I started to realise the flash was hurting my tracking at times if someone was using a lot of movement as hard to see and I was losing on the odd 1v1 as a result (I'm on controller)

I love the model and feel of this gun

Another main 720rpm auto rifle is the Chroma Rush. I got a zen moment kill clip Riposte and like it a ton. The muzzle flash did take a bit to get used to.

I havent really noticed the muzzle flash because I'm at the point in my shooter journey where I just look at my target and my muscle memory kills them, but for people who still focus on their reticle instead of target I can see it being a huge issue

Was using claws of the wolf and it has the same issue don’t remember it being like that pre sunset but it’s been a while

I went see through yesterday a couple of times during control. It seems like it happened when I either switched guns or switched loadouts. Its frustrating because you cant see the sights on your gun. lol

Wallah, what sword do you use for movement? And what shotgun were you using. I just returned to d2 since 2020 for final shape and overall missing destiny. So many new guns

I think this gun model is based on the moon auto arc logic which also had ridiculous muzzle flash for a while too. They probably forgot to take it away when they pulled it for reuse.

Wallah: you see this muzzle flash? Me: if blast furnace were an auto rifle

love ya wallah!

It's ttk for under 10 resil is faster than a 450 as well. This thing will eat on maps like Cauldron as well. Friends are sleeping on it, but that lightweight boost is a nice plus too.

I have an alternative build for this gun. Fitted-Stock, Dynamic, Tap, High-Cal, Hammerforged, Range MW. Counterbalance mod. 1 or 2 targeting mods. To help handling, use Spirit of Ophidian OR Actual Ophidians (if on warlock). If using spirit of ophidians, add on reload mod. Optional unflinching on chest plate. Tap the trigger will MAX the stability for a single TTK window and can be enhanced. Dynamic will follow up if you hold the trigger past the TTK window (on the back end). Handling deficits will be made up by Ophidians. This would be my personal choice to max out stability AND recoil direction, THEN address handling & reload with armor/ armor mods.

I appreciate the insight in the second game wallah

This is one of the coolest legendaries in terms of design, it just looks like a tube that spits bullets and the sight being an actual sword is insane

Model is a cleaned up arc logic so it probably also have the same muzzle flash of arc logic too ig

Ive noticed a few other weapons with this problem? Like after you pointed it out, i noticed the muzzle flash on the new pale heart auto rifle is extremely intense as well, which is mitigated by the fact that i hip fire it alot, but even then, its still quite distracting? I doubt you will use that weapon give its low projectile speed making it a pve weapon and not a pvp one, but itss still frustrating

Suppressed looking gun with A LOT of muzzle flash. PERFECT!

Ty for playing Warlock

I got that exact same rolls, I thought it was just me but the gun felt waaay off, I guess it was the muzzle flash

I got killing wind kill clip, I think I had it drop on Friday. It doesn’t feel like it can hang with the 600rpm

it's hilarious how this gun has the same insane muzzle flash arc logic had

I partially noticed the muzzle flash before but now I won’t be able to look at it the same.

Holy shit, Jiangshi mention. Used that in Trials of the 9 way back LOL

with the see through guys is that something cause of their connection or a d2 thing?

So should I not be taking the pattern of guns? I do t see what it gives me

oof that muzzle flash is crazy. it's like the void version of the arc logic auto rifle from the moon i can't use these it messes with my eyes too much

I got an enlighten action and desperate measure roll. Not bad.

Not me using the forward path for the longest time😂 It's only saving grase was that it had tap trigger and dynamic sway

Tried using this in trials and genuinely felt like i was blindfiring def agree of that flash being excessive

i remember back on battlenet if u set ur region to asia and queued for rumbled ud only get people afking with macros

Nobody: Wallah: controllers wah wah wah

I love that the someday is a true iron sight my new favorite shotgun

“Aw man I forgot to switch of well damn it” he then continued to stay on round for the duration of the video

It's model is the Arc Logic an arc ar from the moon. It had the exact same problem. So did my gone bygones... which is why I deleted mine 😆

i got a zen/ desperate measures and its ok but ya the muzzle flash is crazy

do comp or trials with three healing turret warlocks with amber of benevolence for the lolz and the gun feels like a lazer even without dynamic, got a pain/kill clip and it still feels very smooth

i mean its the arc logic from the moon, who also had the biggest amount of muzzle flash

Golden tricorn is nutty on it because of the mag size, especially if you’re radiant☀️

if I'm not mistaken, Riposte has the same gun model as the Arc Logic Moon auto, which ALSO used to have crazy muzzle flash before Bungie went in and changed it. I wonder if when they made this, they copied over most of the assets including the old Muzzle Flash issue?

Arc logic had the same muzzle flash issue.

This auto rifle shares the same model to arc logic, the auto rifle from Shadowkeep which also had notoriously bad muzzle flash at launch. This auto model has gotta be cursed

it would be cool if the size of a gun's muzzle flash was tied to the impact stat

Suffered playing comp this weekend trying to get this gun and didn't drop so I dipped 😅

I do enjoy kill clip and to the pain on this thing. Things a laser

just curious how do you get this gun?

It has the old arc logic muzzle flash

I remember when the weapon arc logic had that horrible muzzle flash, then bungie fix it. I hope they do the same with this gun.

Muzzle flash might actually be worse at higher framerates because of there being more "flashed" frames that are rendered. Meanwhile with lower refresh rates or lower FPS, there's a chance for the render to "skip" the flashed frame entirely. Just a hypothesis.

Pls make a vid on jiangshi AR1

I hope they listen to feedback and fix it like they did it with the sniper, another comp weapon. Almost everyone hated the pixel sized scope that the comp sniper had so they eventually changed it. I think a very disruptive muzzle flash is a way bigger issue than just a bad scope. It's very noticeable, if you pause the video you can see it covering around 3/4 of the scope with almost every bullet.

I know its a different archetype but that stat spread is crazy good for that rpm

Gnawling hunger shoots the exact same way with that muzzle flash

i never noticed muzzle flash once in this game now im gonna think about it now ☹

I mean the weapon model looks like arc logic… which also had a muzzle flash issue if I’m remembering correctly👍

I have a chroma rush with that roll and although it's a primary it beats this weapon all day long. I have this weapon now and using it but chroma still takes the cake anyday

Got golden tricorn on mine and its slaps on console with radient .53 ttk

There are a few other weapons that were ruined by muzzle flash. The Misfit, 720 AR from Forsaken was the best 720 in the game for a while. Hit well beyond any other 720 and even many 600's (mostly because it could use high zoom scopes which ADD handling (Devil Scope D2). When zoom increased range dropoff, this was HUGE! In addition, HC rounds added a ton of flinch back then. Then, one update, muzzle flash just appeared and made Misfit, Bad Reputation SMG, Trust HC and many other Forsaken era weapons just completely unusable. It has rolled back a little, but stands roughly where the Riposte is from what it looks like. Makes it really hard to track and hit moving targets, and I am on controller. Also completely agree with you that its harder to track through muzzle flash on MnK than controller due to reticule stickiness.

So on controller I got one with max range max recoil direction. It felt awful. You are right it has so much muzzle flash tons of kick and has terrible recoil direction. The flinch is also awful. It has potential to be great but after 100 kills with mine max enhanced I dismantled it. I am going to try for a double consistent perk next week with max stability and see if that works better.

damn its got the old arc logic muzzle flash

I see that Ranch sponsorship Brotendo

whats the curated roll?

I honestly don’t have an issue with muzzle flash, all though, when I’m aiming I’m more focused on my target and less on my reticule

bruh i was so hyped for this thing. it’s still good but the muzzle flash and sound kinda kill it for me. i was expecting the gun to have a really punchy “laser” sound to it for some reason, but it’s just the, like, stock auto rifle sound 😭

this gun reminds me of the autorifle from the moon

Oh is this a reskin version of the Moon Auto rifle arc logic but also a rapid fire. Intriguing 🤔

Hey mind if you try to play the way you normally do but with a controller, I want to know and curious to see if it's possible to be as good as keyboard and mouse?

Is someday better than fractethyst with slide shot opening shot?

What is the glitched roll?

This thing feels like a better gnawing hunger

Huh, I never even noticed the muzzle flash, even after a few hundred kills with it (Tap the Trigger and Desperate Measures)

Looks like Arc Logic, and that auto had the same muzzle flash issue that had to get fixed later. I think this particular model is bugged.

Another thing to dislike about the weapon is its recoil at all directions. It feels so crooked even at 95 rd

it looks like it has both kinetic and void muzzle flash

I was wondering if it was just me. The muzzle flash is crazy. Im looking for Zen/Target Lock.

i got one with zm and tl, i don't rlly care abt the muzzle flash bc i play with 0 bright lol

This gun looks to be a reskin of Arc Logic… a shadowkeep auto rifle. If I remember correctly Arc Logic had this same issue with muzzle flash and they had to fix it at some point. Looks like when they reskinned it, the fix didn’t stick around. Anyone else remember it?

As a heliocentric user, this muzzle flash is nothing compared to your visual ques being the health bar of the enemy moving

earl tracksuit is such a goated name