even afterward, was Doc Ock ever really a villain? He was a criminal, sure. But his ultimate goal was free energy for the whole world. So, he was only a villain to the energy syndicates

That interaction between Peter and Dr. Octavius is the kind of speech every mentor needs to give there mentees.

@@4Curses Well he was also driven insane by the arms and was building a machine that wasn't going to work and would destroy everything because he had no rationality anymore, believing despite all evidence that it would work. So yes, he was a villain.

Still a great inclusion though.

After no way home seems like Sony and marvel established tht he was never a villain but a mere puppet by the mechanical arms

"- success can test one's mettle as surely as the strongest adversary." The narrator from Conan the Barbarian.

Western civilization innit

Bane FTW

dang...

Life shouldn't be a constant struggle.

Yep he made a good point

@@wolfgang6442 He made an understandable point Not a good one Not in the way he meant it at least

The Avengers are the defenders and of the status quo.

@@wolfgang6442 Not really. He wanted to genocide the human race out of pure Darwinism, then when the Avengers understandably took issue with that approach he incorrectly concluded that they didn't want the Earth to change. In other words, disagreeing with his method doesn't mean disagreeing with his motive (as he seemed to believe). The fact that the Avengers, and Earth for that matter, ultimately prevailed over their otherworldly threat (Thanos and his army of Chitauri) completely refutes his point. Either: - The people of Earth changed in some way in order to prevail, disproving the notion that they "didn't want to change". - The people of Earth prevailed despite not changing in some way, disproving the notion that humanity couldn't survive without Ultron inflicting his genocide upon them (or 'evolving'). So which is it?

not all changes are good.

Zemo was pretty awesome. Not only in Civil War but in Falcon & WinterSoldier too.

@@153ridzzzzbro tore apart the avengers in a way ultron and loki could never

And now look what is happening in Amercia and also in Europe... we are on the brink of collapsing from within

All great empires in history have fallen because they have fallen into degeneracy (Rome, USSR, Persia, Maya, etc.).

@@crisis4905we are under occupation

yeah Michael Shannon nailed it hard

Kryptonians were not fit for survival as they were not reasonable not to destroy/exploit Krypton, therefore not worthy to protect.

Yeah, it's too bad he couldn't use his machine on another planet. Instead of an already inhabited one.

Facts Zod was a beast

I love Michael Shannon (what an actor!), but sorry, Zod was a complete fool. Seven unpopulated planets you're free to terra-form to your heart's content, and you choose the populated one defended by Superman?

I came here to say the same. One of the major points of The Dark Knight is that Batman is right in his belief that the people as a whole deserve saving, because they are ultimately more good than bad, whether it's the blowhard on the boat of "good" people who talks a good game about how criminals deserve to die, but can't really do it, or the hardened lifer on the "bad" boat who throws the trigger in the water and sits back down. When the Joker believes he's going to watch fireworks at midnight and Batman is utterly confident (and right) that neither boat will blow the other up, that's the movie telling you that Joker was wrong in this interrogation scene.

@@craigrussell3062 Glad I poked around in the comment section before making my own post because I was going to say pretty much exactly what you did. To anyone who actually paid attention to TDK, Joker was not "COMPLETELY RIGHT", the entire point of that scene is that both Batman and the common people of Gotham proved him wrong at the best possible moment. I guess "QUOTES FROM VILLAINS THAT ARE COOL AND SOUND KIND OF PROFOUND MOST OF THE TIME" isn't quite the snappy title, huh?

It was unrealistic. There would have at the very least been a fight on one of the boats between those for and against it. It also would not necessarily have ended like the movie. People justify terrible things all the time. It just depends completely on who is there to make the decision.

He does prove his point. The Joker wins in the end. As he put it he had an ace in the hole. He wouldn't lose the battle for Gotham's soul in a fist fight with Batman. He took Gotham's white night and brought him down to their level. He may not have demonstrated his point on a larger scale, but with Harvey, the definition of a good, civilized, moral person, becomes a monster just like the Joker, and arguably just like Batman. He proved his point, and created a system that allowed what Bane and the League of Shadows did in the next movie possible. "When the chips are down, these civilized people, they'll eat each other." And the chaos and anarchy that ensues in the next movie is precisely what he was talking about and is exactly what happens.

What is completely stupid about that particular plot point is the fact that it occurs to nobody that they are likely holding their own detonators. If either the civilians or the inmates press the button, they themselves would blow up rather than the other ship.

Lego batman is a great movie 😂

Literally Britain 1938

​@@luck3yp0rk93 britain had alot grime. world war one and workers strikes

Literally the Jedi Order during and before the Prequels.

In other words... Resting on your laurels. You have to keep building on your successes. If you aren't growing, you're dying. Victory will make you weak if you accept it.

The irony of that statement is it describes the United States to a T currently.

Def one of my faves

That I think is a better one, the whole center of the universe one is really just human nature but the cause one can actually be learned from.

That still isn't necessarily right and at worst it's used to justify fence sitting, or having no cause.

@@mechanomics2649 I believe it would imply that no matter which cause you associate yourself with,at some point it may make a decision which you may somewhat or strongly disagree with,which is inevitable,since it's unlikely there is any cause out there so perfect that you'll subscribe to their every word and choice wholeheartedly.

@@Sikorsky1111 There is only one cause you will ALWAYS be aligned to. Your own cause. It is the only one that can't really betray you, but then again, you can't really betray her either.

Yes. I truly believe this line was included to propagandize to people to forget the old Star Wars and all the other IP's they intentionally destroy and instead embrace this new, soulless product.

ikr? why was that line in there it's so shit

😂Oh that's so accurate and funny at the same time because its true. Nice.

Disney really did become the villain of our times didn't it

And none of you are any different. You can’t even open your heart to anything anymore because all you fanboys know is hate. You won’t give anything a chance. You kill Star Wars, not Disney, by using the ideals that the Jedi are against. Fear, anger, hate. And now all you know is suffering

-Why bother

I feel like the main problem with Man of Steel was that it was trying to be Batman. It was not a bad movie but it twisted Superman's character into what it wasn't, I absolutely LOATH the bits with Pa Kent his callousness and cruelty towards Clark and those other kids, that's not Superman's story.

Nice effects but it had no soul.

It was bad but it wasn't good either.

@@HubiKoshiIf they wanted to do grimdark Superman, they should have done an adaptation of the Superman: Speeding Bullets comic, where he lands in Gotham and is adopted by the Waynes instead of the Kents, and the parents are still murdered, so you get Batman with all of Superman's powers.

The best superhero fight scene in the terms of showing what god-like beings can do to their surrounding while fighting . I love MoS

he is also an idiot who could have terraformed mars without any opposition or the movie needed to introduce the martians.

He is a man with a will, and the means to act on it. Zod is a truth most people fear to hear.

@@beiberns yeqh

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

@@Philthorn huh?

Holy cringe.

@@Crusina I can bet money you watched Breaking Bad and didn't understand anything about it.

​@@1Guason3 you didn't understand breaking bad if you thought walter was right

@Skyfoogle the point went so over your head. Walter was in the wrong. The message was to understand why he did it. Understanding something or someone doesn't mean you agree with it. We understand why Zod wanted to terraform earth. That doesn't mean we think he was in the right either.

​@@Crusina you give holy a bad name with that cringeness

I'd say the one exception was Bane in DKR. Given he intended to blow up the city with the people he "inspired" still in it I don't think he really believed his own words so much as he just said what people wanted to hear.

​@@icanilis6789 yeah I always thought it was layered too, like he's saying something that has truth but weaponizing it for his own agenda. He's almost mocking the idea like what he's saying and what they're doing is purposeless. Bane is power by both anger, revenge, and nihilism.

Bane lived long enough to see himself become the villain.

Historically speaking though even up to the present that is a valid and surprisingly effective tactic as morally reprehensible as it is. I mean most foundings of empires throughout history start with exactly that premise with varying degrees of justifications for the killing part. Can you explain the difference between zod and the early American colonials?

@@zachary3367 very true. But Keep in mind, not all settlers & colonials made war with the Indians...

Well stated. We love Bane at least a little bit for telling it like it is.

"Stay hard" -David Goggins

Not really, you'll always have people looking for strength

The true reward of victory is a greater challenge

Fassbender is masterful with that character. Most of the best scenes from the X-men movies he stars in are his.

The problem with X-man is that the issue is unsolvable. Humanity have all the rights to fear the mutants, and Magnetto clearly show they should. Until one party GTFO to like another planet situation won't be solved. Because mutant are fundamentally different from humans. Mutants draw strength from individuals, and humans always survived as a collective, where a single person can't do much alone. Yet a single mutant with "correct" powers can enslave or wipe out humanity. The whole francize is depend on "Professor Xavier is not evil".

after all this years in this vital industry, this is the first time i see someone calling magneto by his actual name

@@madzaisa ''all the rights''' bro.. thats one thing that literally makes no sense at all in the marvel universe, if the mutants are such a thing to fear then why tf other non-mutant super people are not treated the same? mutants are not the only super people in the world... i mean jessica jones is pretty out there even showing her face without costume or anything and i don't see shit like this happening to her

One of the best

"The one thing people love more than a hero is to watch a hero fail, fall, die trying."

In what way is "Even if you do the right thing people will hate you, so don't bother" completely right? Sounds like utter nonsense to me. You should do the right thing _because_ it's the right thing, not because you want to be 'liked' for doing it. That's what makes a hero a hero. They do the right thing even if doing so comes at some cost to themselves, even if it incurs hardship or great difficulty. Doing the right thing only when it's convenient for yourself or will benefit you in some way is not heroic.

​@@arstulex it's just a truth about life you don't necessarily have to be a hero you can even just be a normal person doing good things and often you'll find out people is quick to forget the good you've done and to hate you at the first mistake you make, so Goblin is right in that sentence.

@@arstulex As far as I can see the quote is "why bother?" not "don't bother." A question, not a conclusion. Presumably a hero would have a heroic answer to the question. The statement before the question is right IMO.

The whole quite is meant as a warning. That you should seek the truth but never forget your ideals.

Later in the movie he was proven wrong by Batman and actually acknowledged it. He made the speech when Batman caught him and was surprised he did not kill him because of Rachel. He was then proving right with Dent becoming two face. He tried his hardest to make Batman a killer but he failed.

Technically it can be universally true. Some "heroes" just don't live that long. At the same time some aspects of "villainy" are subjective.

​@@Aetherothbut with villainy being subjective, that would mean everything we do as a hero would be evil depending on who's looking at us. that doesn't make it a universal truth as it's not universally accepted that you started off as a hero.

@Roniixx I don't fully disagree, but as the theme for a super hero movie it works, and like I said, it could be truth for a superhero or possibly a politician, but otherwise, yeah, it doesn't make alot of sense.

Amen

Alan Moore is a genius.

@@iowadrummer7 who watch the watchmen?

The problem with really smart people is that they don't understand really stupid people, or crazy people. He didn't understand Rorschach, and couldn't predict his actions. Ozymandias' perfect plan will ultimately be ruined by Rorschach's journal.

@@chrisdonovan8795 I don't think I would use stupid or crazy to adjective Rorschach. Not even "unique" because we are all unique in a way. He was socially handicapped because of his past, becoming intolerant and aggressive towards certain behaviors.

The first half of the quote is also very applicable, to nazis, communists, jihadists. If people believe their ideology is one of martyrs then that will.only encourage their fervor, rather than an ideology dying because it is simply wrong and illogical.

@@JohnnyRocker023 It's not just applicable to organized religions. Their behaviour is no different than the political woke cult we see thriving now. Believe or die.........it's the same mantra.

This is buy far one the most relevant quotes in this entire video. 💯💯💯👍🏼👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

this quote have irl example like USSR

Cringe.

Lockdown was the most badass transformers villain ever

Nothing No such thing as aliens God only made this earth I guess aliens are possible But i doubt it

The way he says “You have no idea” says to me that he’s seen things so powerful so terrifying that we wouldn’t even comprehend them.

@@hawk66100 and you would be 1,000,000 times correct and more. Humanity are nothing but walking talking CATTLE, a bunch of piss ants compared to what is out there.

​@@rianmacdonald9454presumably you either have faith in God or proof of eti.

I've always wondered what goes on in the mind when viewing a person who was recently murdered.

Sure buddy.

Perhaps it seems accurate because you were in Chicago, one of the most violent and corrupt cities in the nation.

Which quote?

@@BlackDiamond2718 starts at 0:44.

Banes speech reminded me of communists honestly. and the aftermath of what he did is exactly how it played out in the real world. lots of death and even worse living conditions. fear and violence all that remains.

Some of those rich were born poorer than those who claim to be "poor".

​​@@danielhagara1442 The rich are all lucky. They are already lucky to be born in countries that even allow to financially rise somewhat. People in poorer countries don't have that. And most rich people do not come from lower classes. You hyper focus on exceptions to ignore the rule.

Communists always like to think that they love and support the poor, but they really just hate and envy the rich. No system that punishes success can ever succeed because it inevitably becomes a race to the bottom of purity signaling, purity of class, of wealth, of work, of ideology.

Bane was somewhat right: Power and comfort can lead to decadence. But that's only part of it imo. You can be poor and still be a despicable person.

Until accidentally misgendered him 😬

​@@christopherneufelt8971Say less. No please, stop talking.

Hes basically Hitler.

It's worth noting that superman mentality is struggling between kill or not kill when fighting zod. On one hand, he is the only crptonian left, the last of his kind, but on the other hand, he is killing earthlings, the people supes wanted to protect.

@@christopherneufelt8971 That's a problem with basically all superheroes, they fight the symptoms not the cause because stories that address those are "too political" for some people. Superheroes exist to maintain the status quo first and foremost, so the villains despite having correct assessments have to be written to arrive at violent conclusions in a contrived way.

Case in point: American citizens not fighting for their rights and instead content to sit back and allow those rights to be slowly eroded by their government, as long as they got to keep the boons of their precious civilization...

​@nukepuke932 There is always a point where people revolt. For the majority of Americans that hasn't been reached yet. For those who have reached that point the question becomes what they are fighting against. Everyone has their own view of the situation and what rights are actually just and others are just excuses the other side uses.

@@RFDN0 that tree is looking more and more thirsty every day...

@iainmaclean4872 To you, yes. To the entirety of society is a different question. It also needs to be questioned if the built-in revolution (elections) is enough to solve the problems without causing a massive war. Aside from that, it depends on if this is a polarized issue where half the country feels one way and the other half feels the other. In that case, all this would do is cause a bloody war where both sides have massive losses with a series of dictatorships occurring until either one side emerges completely victorious or a govermemt with the ability to compromise is made again.

Oh god I HATE that "hit different" garbage. Hit like what? That could mean ANYTHING. People copy the same idiotic sayings people say in a stupid attempt to "fit in" because they're too scared to have their own personality.

Ain't that the truth.😅😅😅

*reasons. None of them are good.

Batman was done really well. Realistic and believable for being a superhero trilogy

The best villains to me are victims of circumstances. It makes me feel like they are just as human as the heroes. And who knows, if the heroes went through what the villains did, maybe they wouldn't be so heroic afterall.

@@Trewq79 Well stated. Bruce Wayne had his parents taken from him and that was an injustice. But Bane saved Talia from the other prisoners and he was punished for that. Then Bane was punished by R'as Al-Gul for merely being a constant reminder of his failure to protect his wife. When virtue is punished it is no wonder that a person reaches a breaking point.

yeah, Zod's speech always hurts to listen to in a good way. like, he's a mustache twirling villain, he KNOWS he's a mustache twirling villain, but he's truly, fully convinced down to the core of his soul that it's for a good cause, and losing the one thing that he was fighting for totally breaks him. it's a rare villain that can simultaneously make you feel gut wrenching sympathy for them, while also shouting at the screen for the hero to kick his ass!

Very well put gentlemen, yes, that’s why he’s such a great villain, and why that scene is so fantastic, it’s impressive they were able to give us such a good Zod in one movie, given he’s a recurring villain who comes back to make Cal El’s life a nightmare, as well as the other members of the Justice League. Zod is forced to face an existential crisis of enormous proportions for the first time ever, something he should never have needed to do, something he wasn’t created with the capacity to do, and as a result, is incapable of doing, and completely and irreversibly breaks under the enormous pain and gravity of the situation.

If Zod and his crew had escaped Krypton without the world engine, and without hope of reviving her, though broken-hearted, the healing process could have been started in fullness. Theoretically, he and his remnants could have been a massive force for good wherever they went.

Except, Zod wasn't trying to protect his species. He was trying to get petty revenge against Jor El. The whole reason he chose Earth was out of revenge. There was no species protection in that choice. It was just a tantrum of a child that got told to stop fighting because the adults were talking, and when he finally got let out of his room ran around smashing his toys. After smashing all his toys he blamed Superman for his own stupidity.

You may be right. Mine was just a "what if" scenario. He was clearly warped.

Which, I suppose is the fatal flaw of growing your people in cocoons pre-programmed for a single specific task. The freedom to choose and adapt to different circumstances is vastly superior to a rigid and unyielding template.

It's not as if he could help it. When born with a purpose programmed in your mind and that is all you known your whole life it becomes your identity. The thing about an identity being attached to only one task is that people with this mind set will do what ever it takes to protect this identity. Even if all they knew was a lie. They will hurt and kill others to protect that identity. Conscience or not they understand that once they lose that Identity they're dead. Even before someone kills them physically. Zod is an example of a lot of people who's been given an identity before they even have a chance to claim their own minds. It's sad and scary when you think of the number of people walking this planet who were taught lies and believed them for so long that the truth is a threat to the identity...

"Superman, who was, in theory, perfectly willing to give Zod the password to the Kryptonian genetic library, to rebuild Krypton. But just not on Earth." I don't recall them ever having a conversation about terraforming another planet

Would let zod take earth once a single nuke is going to spark ww3. deez lgbtq and religion issues is starting to spread like garbage anyway. eradicating us instantly with also a nuke

@@heliopyrenot only that, they tried finding other worlds that were “colonized” and found them dead and barren having failed to support life.

Ethos i think

I think he does even better when he says that the late 90's were the peak of civilization. 20 years later, i am now convinced he was right.

I think with the same context Ultron said something similar to this

No, the motive can also make a villain. If you acknowledge that any particular means is immoral then you can imagine people who use those means for its own sake, villains, men who want to watch the world burn.

@@scottmatheson3346 Yeah, beware of people who say "It's not X, it's Y". It's almost always both, and cutting one out makes it untrue.

It's perception. Heroes use force to defeat and potentially kill villains. Villains use force to defeat and potentially kill heroes. The two are indistinguisable.

@@sneezyfido Nonsense. Villains harm the "innocent", and heroes protect them.

@@siler7 the knight of the crusades were heroes to Christians but villains to Muslims. Again, perspective.

Loved that quote. I can still recite it word for word even after not watching that movie in years. His speech to Neo after the oracle leaves in the 2nd movie was also profound

I am surprised that wasn't here

Funny thing is I did it in practical in my English essay and my teacher told me I was a mentally ill person and called my mother and I was embarrassed in front of the whole class 🗿🚬

"It's the smell!"

Yeah, it's completely true. Humanity is just a virus that completely destroys everything in its endless quest for money/power.

Bruh he a beast and underrated

Poor director choices

This comment doesnt explain itself clearly and haven’t no idea what your implying. But Man of Steel was perfect

@faccezitCroc Means, he got in just two movies as General zod. We could have gotten more of him.

@@MyBallzInYourJaws Your right.

I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with a simple pure evil as long as that is what the movie wants its villain to be and owns up to it. The issues arise in those movies who have villains that are purely evil but can't own up to it or make up their minds on what they want their villains to be so they try to make them seem better than they are and thus you get villains who are kinda all over the place and not that believable. Although as we get older I guess just simple evil becomes less interesting for us than when we were kids. But a simple evil can still be a menacing and a good villain. Sauron from LOTR is one example imo. Your early Vader example works as well.

Correct! Again I realized this on my research and for an example of this is in the movie incredibles 2. The screen slaver hated supers due to their family issue relying on supers. However, close to the end the screen saver didn't have an answer for the super-baby. The baby being a new slate and innocent.

​@KanohiVahi Sauron is sort of not a villain nor is he thee villain of the movie. In a way the ring is the villain. A lot of people have trouble with this and I give them an easy comparison. The time machine vs time machine of the 2000's. The first one has a super abstract villain and the other while abstract villain is present has a physical villain. Most people can't deal with abstract villains anymore. There always has to be someone there to beat up and kill.

​@@EmeraldEdge72 This thread is such an interesting discussion! I think execution based on the type of story you're telling plays an important role too! Writing conventions are mostly a guide, not rules set in stone. Some might argue a pure evil villain is one-dimensional and uninteresting, but LOTR made it work. Same applies to other writing conventions too. "Show don't tell" is a popular rule, to make sure exposition is slipped in without being noticed. But in story-based games like Horizon Zero Dawn a hologram straight up tells you the exposition directly, but most people are invested because the mystery and intrigue is built up really well prior, feeding you just enough to get a glimpse of the story but withholding enough to keep you wanting more. It goes against normal writing rules but it does it very well. Writing is such a fascinating thing, there's not really any bad ideas, just bad execution. So as long as writers take time and care with their work it should be okay, the rules are very flexible and can let people be really creative on how they go about their story!

​@@KanohiVahiAggred with the Sauron and Vader being great examples of simple evil done right. Throwing Little Jack Horner from Puss in Boots 2 as another example

Very underrated comment. I Bravo!

Ozymandias was completely wrong in his analysis of the Cold War. The fear was of soviet aggression in the Baltic, Finland, Eastern, Central and Southern Europe, Caucuses, Africa, Middle-East, South-East Asia, China and the Americas. Their promotion of a totalitarian murderous ideology with foreign subversion (Think about how the communist party of the United States of America and those that were a part of it supported the soviets during stalin's reign! During 1956 in Hungary, Czechoslovakia in 1968, Poland in 1981-1983 and Afghanistan in 1979-1989 e.t.c. They should have been, and were to be fair, banned and, in my opinion, executed (With the appropriate legal mechanisms of the country in question, due process of law.).) too was a bit of a problem. With all the resources in the world the soviets would still manage to starve their people and ask the Americans for some wheat to prop them up.

@@johnnotrealname8168 A detail. It was Wall Street that supported the Communist and strategically placed them in Power as an agreement between WW1 Germany to remove the Eastern threat from their Strategy. The Situation of Starvation was because the Soviet Union was actually exporting all of its wheat to the West and the Western Colonies in return for Credits which we know that it end up in Banks outside of the Soviet Union. The same for other strategic resources such a Gold, Nickel, Petroleum, Diamonds. Most of the contracts ended up in 1990 and renewed with change of political governance by Yelzin in 1992, with of course the children of Party Members being now the Oligarchs and the recipients of the resources again the Wall Street. My claim is documented by Sutton as well as others.

@@christopherneufelt8971 Who is Sutton? Edit: The soviet union was able to starve their own people without outside help.

I always understood the villains even as a kid for some reason

…unless you betray the cause first.” This is the unspoken part.

MLK and Malcolm X were killed in the same way

facts, was looking through the comments to see if someone else thought the same thing as me

Really? because another musician doesn’t really help mankind out in any way.

@@bigdopamine9343 neither do you with comments like this. But now you also do the opposite. I put music out that’s something wholesome I’m sharing with the world. You’re just sharing your judgement with a comment like this. Why? Cuz whereas you need to throw your judgment out there, I’m looking to spread something wholesome to the world. That’s the difference between me and you

@@warhead5225 well no it’s just stupid that you’d take a quote from a character that’s a quantum physicist about using your intelligence and think it somehow has relevance to being in a band. I’m glad you like what you’re doing, but don’t delude yourself into thinking you’re somehow improving the world.

@@bigdopamine9343 bro it’s comment on KZfaq. Why you reading into it so far making it something egotistical? I work a job and play music. There’s no bs I bring to the world. And I value that. You, here, with a KZfaq COMMENT shooting someone down you don’t know just cuz you can, that’s the bs you bring to the world. Realize that. And realize there’s no reason to do this. You could’ve just not gotten into whatever this is now. That quote has a different meaning to me now and that’s it. Way to go scorched Earth just because you wanted to. Better people only do it when they have to 🤷‍♂️

@@warhead5225 the quote has a different meaning to you because you misunderstood it. If you don’t want people calling out your stupid bullshit affirmations then don’t put them on KZfaq comments section. And my point is that just thinking your putting out positive vibes or whatever isn’t actually improving the world in any way. Maybe one day you’ll understand what I’m saying and become a better person.

"Yep we're plenty of stubborn" Iron Man

One quote was...two face's you either die a heor or live long enough to see yourself become the villain is true and I see it play itself out over and over even to this day

They aren't right even if you are cynical; they're just delusional or liars. The only ones who are "right" are Dr Octavius (who was not a villain at that point), Lockdown (in a universe where they are alien species, we cannot be the center) and, ironically, Joker (people do reveal their true selves when staring down the barrel of a gun).

Lol my guy believe movies over real life

​@blue7lvn245 naw movies get there ideas from real life

They are right, but then there is a second question after they make there statement. Does the ends justify the means?

@@MrBennieagray The ends must never justify the means; if they ever do, it will be the final triumph of evil over good.

Tbf they’re missing a lot of marvel quotes like Thanos and magneto

Nah it has good quotes but that movie is overrated to high hell.

Men get arrested. Dogs get put down.

Check out what is happening in El Salvador. Murder capital of the world to one of the safest countries in the western hemisphere in a couple of years.

Because they are still human

Mercy for criminals is cruelty to their victims.

Punishment doesn't stop crime. Oldest lesson humans still fail to understand.

Man, do I hate it when somebody puts up a bunch of clips and somebody has to say YoU mIsSeD oNe.

@@siler7 I apologize.

@@johnvonachen1672 Spoken like a man. My hat is off.

except the devil's in the details "Broad" isn't the same as "Open" it's quite the opposite "Broad" is just "Narrow" in disguise. Plus it was still obviously to manipulate him.

Palpatine only wanted personal power. He had no cause. The Sith before him (from Bane onwards) at least wanted the Sith to thrive, even if in secret and the Sith before Bane wanted to dominate the galaxy and prove they're the strongest. They BELIEVED in something. Palpatine did not. And all the bullshit he spews in front of Anakin is only meant to manipulate him.

That’s the point of a well-written hero vs. villain story. It’s ultimately a philosophical debate-the hero can’t just punch the bad guy to stop him, he also has to prove his ideology wrong. For example, in The Killing Joke comic the Joker’s point is that anyone is just one bad day away from turning evil/insane. He’s doing that to try and justify his own fall to the dark. But Commissioner Gordon and Batman prove him wrong by staying moral despite all the garbage he does to them.

Honestly, it'd be the same video. They're only completely right if you buy into what they're selling.

It really is just the same video. Bane says take back your city by knocking out the rich. They go on to live for months in squalor and crime and violence. Also he flatout lied and was going to kill everyone anyway. Ozy says kill millions to save billions, as if warfare hasn’t been a thing not just since mankind rose but since the beginning of life. For the smartest man alive he was actually really stupid. Zod basically got a taste of his own medicine as his work to terraform planets wiped out all the living denizens of it.

@@clarkmichaels822 And then you're wrong too.

@@siler7 : Hardly, a lot of what others are considering "right" is a lot of thinking errors and misanthropy in action, and even then I doubt it's completely dislike for humanity, it's just a bunch of edgy folks clinging on to controversial quotes just to get a rise out of folks.

Good call. I always root for the villian. Joe Pesci for president!

Yes. Another good line from him is "I know the rage that drives you. That impossible anger strangling the grief, until the memory of your loved ones is just poison in your veins. And one day, you catch yourself wishing the person you loved had never existed, so you'd be spared your pain." He understands the intense and conflicting desires during a time of mourning both to remember and to forget the loved one that has been lost.

@@Torgo1969 Spot on, Torgo. (awesome screen name, by the way...is the Master back yet?)

He’s so underrated.

Give a man nothing to live for and he will take out his anger on the nearest thing, just hope the focus isnt on you.

Well Jor El is a villain in Zod's eye because he stole the codex and called it heresy.

It was not about an empty planet. Kal El's parents chose earth, well the Artificial intelligence Keelor did because it was "ideal".

@@MJWire Kal El's parents chose Earth because they weren't looking to terraform a planet. They were looking for a planet that supported life they could send their child to as a refuge. Zod is looking to terraform a planet. After getting the codex, he should have just fucking left. Would've been easier for everyone involved. Not to mention that while Earth is 'ideal' to serve as a planet for a refuge, it is far from ideal to serve as a replacement for Krypton. An ideal replacement for Krypton would have a red sun.

@@VioletAeonSnowfield and how long had Zod and co been searching for an ideal planet since Krypton was destroyed? Kal El's parents did not randomly select earth. They found it to be suitable for Kal El's development and strength. Zod spent decades in the wilderness of space searching. It's not like they were just sitting around. It therefore tells you they couldn't find a suitable planet. And they had very limited resources did they not, to be jumping around from galaxy to galaxy. They found earth and the evidence of its suitability was the fact that Kal El was able to grow up there and live. And he had the Codex in him there. Which galaxy would they have gone to when they had not succeeded in finding any suitable planet for decades when all the colonial outposts had withered? Why would Zod, a coloniser and conqueror from a supremacist race choose to leave a viable planet and risk it all in the name of peace? This is what Kryptonians did. They were merciless conquerors who clearly did not value the lives of "inferior" beings. They literally conquered for 100,000 years. And it was literally in Zod's DNA to do something like this. From start to finish, his solutions always involved the use of force. And Zod concluded that Jor El had chosen earth as the world on which Krypton would be resurrected. He actually says this in the film.

@@MJWire they only needed the codex, as it turned out they could have "asked" or gotten some of supe's DNA containing the codex information then taken the scout ship with the birth chamber as well as the world engine and left, they could literally have set up shop on Mars and acquired all the benefits of the young yellow star without building a new empire on a foundation of blood

I was thinking the exact same thing!

Understand yes, but in the end, we still root for those heroes.

The villains had some good points But their actions and beliefs were still bad Like Lex That literally knows nothing about God Joker had some good points That many people will drop their Morale values when nobody looks or when society falls But no everyone will turn as crazy as he is

@@dude9318 Lex was right about God. Hell, reading the Bible I would agree with Lex, since God approved of and legislated slavery for the Israelites (laws on how to own and treat slaves in leviticus, accepted a human sacrifice, and committing genocides. Lex was right, an omnibenevolent God would never let the fall of humanity happen in the first place.

⁠@@OmegaF77 as a Christian, we can’t blindly believe that was said by god was all said by him, it doesn’t make sense that a lot of the “laws from God” were way more inhumane than most other cultures of the time. And this might sound crazy, but he let sin in the world because he loves us, let me explain. First off, if he was a cruel God like how many believe, he would’ve killed Lucifer the instant he challenged him, and he let sin happen because he created us with free will and he loves us so much that he respects our free will. If God was cruel, humanity would’ve been eradicated long ago. And before you say something about the flood, God doesn’t cause stuff like that, he only lets those things happen, he gave people the option to save themselves, but ultimately arrogance got the better of them. God bless you all.

Crime rates are the lowest they have ever been in 100 years. Shove off; you know what increases Recidivism rates for ex-cons? Your kind of "justice".

Just want to let you know crime this generation is at its lowest point in history.

sure it does. its what disney has been doing, again and again, to everything great it had.

​@@scout360pyroz On a meta level it makes sense, but not in universe.

@@scout360pyroz Except they've been thriving on nostalgia pandering since, because they know people are dumb like that.

If you hold the past dear, and that past holds you down for whatever reason, you have to let it go or die to grow as a person. I think that's what he was getting at, although in the context of becoming a more powerful Jedi.

@@OmegaF77 No, that's just your wide-eyed interpretation. He just wanted to burn down the past to "be stronger" and have no more ties, which is absolutely inane and not even he could stick to it, given he went back to his Vader fanboy phase by TRoS. What more powerful Jedi ???? This emo primadonna couldn't even be a Sith. Sequel fans are hilarious lmfao

‘You beat me at my own game.’ ‘Don’t flatter yourself. You weren’t even a player.’

That was never actually said by Ozai. It was Zuko quoting him.

@@trueblue6201 Still a good quote, and more true than most would admit.