I wonder if any have tried to breed with giants to increase the size cap?

don't tell me what to do you're not my real dad

help, I clicked the link and now I'm locked in a basement where a doppelganger comes and asks me questions every now and then 😢

Very cool video, tho no mention on why they punch so hard XD

😂😂😂

this is waht woud a doppleganger woud say that replace iamwonderFil

Y'all I think I know why he stopped posting for a while...

Maybe the one that replaced ​Sotetur4722@@Sotetur4722

Indeed.. very suspicious.

Nor if your a doppelganger

I don't think so. I know little about DnD lore but I think no simple Joe would even know anything about them, maybe legends and some drunkers rumblings. Like the Skaven situation in Warhammer.

​@@szysi3k that's up to the DM to decide but lorewise unless a creature is specified as being not very known than yeah people know about it.

Reminds me of the Synth problem in Fallout 4.

waterdeep acutally has a problem with them, they infiltrated a wedding between some nobles to secure trade between waterdeep and Kara-Tur. Khelben, the former blackstaff, stoped them only partialy.. the Open Lord dislikes them too and ye overall one of the bigger problems Waterdeep has sidenote, the doppelganger-mindflayer mr.rexx was talking about is a greater-doppelganger-mindflayer and at the moment poses as one of the Hidden Lords of waterdeep soooo.... ye..

I'm stealing this, just like I stole her skin

-sigh- goddammit *makes a changeling character for a dad joke*

The only thing that would improve it is the original score from Us.

Alternatively a doppelgänger mating with any other humanoid race could make changelings, as they can’t read minds but can still change shape and form; it would stand to reason a diluting of the racial characteristics would render a changeling.

Seeing as changelings are both historically and canonically fey creatures, this can't be the case. Sorry.

@@derekstein6193 in European folklore, they are fey, but in Eberron: "Changelings are a fey or humanoid race who are related to doppelgangers and share their shapeshifting qualities and capacity for disguise. This makes them effective as actors, spies, and criminals, which has in turn led to them being mistrusted amongst the people of Khorvaire. They are sometimes also known as doppelgangers themselves."

@@derekstein6193 besides that, Changelings aren't native to the FR, so you'd be breaking canon just by adding them there.

I’d imagine no. They become said person and it’s alignment after the deed is done. It’d mechanically be bad too, basically they could never eat lawful good people, bc the transformation cancel right away due to regret. Eating a 2nd lawful good person after the first is a different story tho.

The DnD version of "Who is on First"

Later that week: Doppelganger #1 sees a 5'6" lady with a leather coat. She leans over a vendor's stall. Doppelganger #1: "Now I shall take..." Lady with the leather coat: Turns to face the Doppelganger. "No." Merchant: "Huh? You say something." Lady: "Nothing. Just a street urchin." Shakes head. Doppelganger #1: "What! Another one. Ugh!" Lady: Flips it. Her mind tells, "No, you're an overly chatty Doppel." Doppelganger #1: Realizes that the Lady is a Mind Reader. "What a minute."

Yes and no, I'm unsure why but MrRhexx didn't mention that the forces of Bhaal have always had a connection to doppelgangers, they also had a heavy presence in Baldur's Gate 1 as minions of the Son of Bhaal antagonist, Sarevok.

​@@2g33ksgamingttv3 huh, never really understood how brother dearest managed to pay off doppels to do his job, actually. I guess being evil comes with some professional networking.

@@thosebloodybadgers8499 Actually, I'm pretty sure that was part of the original Iron Throne part of the plot, the preexisting plan Sarevok turned to his own ends. I guess when you're basically mobsters, doppelgangers aren't hard to come by.

Oh my god, someone knows the actual spelling of Doppelgänger. That was unexpected

How I know YOU aren't doppelgänger?

​@@joseph_soseph9611most people probably don't have immediate access to German keyboard configurations lol

Doppelgänger would be correct spelling

​@@robertheitmann8821in German, yes, however there is no umlaut in English. Therefore it is not the correct spelling.

The trick is to bring the player into the deception. Talk to one you think can handle the metagaming aspect, see if they'd be interested in running the con, and then have them run fake-them. How the characters find out is up to you, but let them behind the curtain from time to time. It's obviously important to have players that are cool with the idea of being tricked by one of their own, but it can work great if you do it well.

Oh fuck I gotta check it out!

@@MrRhexx oh man it's really good I definitely recommend anything from the creator of the realms itself he has many things he talks about that aren't in any of the books at all very cool

That sounds closer to a changeling than a doppelganger

BG1 had far more doppelganger action. There was practically a whole guild working for the Iron Throne to sink competitors. Also, the dungeon called Durlag's Tower was a dwarven clanhold that got infiltrated by doppelgangers. Durlag killed them while they were disguised as his family. It drove him completely around the bend. They've been a favorite of mine ever since.

Honestly this, to me, made the doppelgangers in BG3 seem so extremely lacking in comparison. Most of the time they're just random thugs that aren't particularly difficult in a fight and occasionally explode into much uglier versions of themselves. The few that are more than basic thugs are portrayed as extremely impulsive for no reason other than shock value, even to their own detriment, when they should be far more methodical and insidious. Like The clown that just randomly decided to undo who knows how many days or weeks of work and expose their entire operation in the middle of a public venue. Literally anything other than exactly what they did would have been more in line with how it sounds doppelgangers would typically behave The mind reading didn't even play into it at all that I can recall, and Orin in particular was too heavy handed and chaotic to be truly effective in her role (which Gortash at least seems aware of) They also for some reason felt the need to make other characters dumber to try and promote her energy (a table full of trained Drow in a hostile environment that grew up in a civilization where assassination attempts are a daily activity somehow all sit by idly when some lunatic they just met starts skipping down the table slitting their throats They're probably lucky they died in Orin's hands compared to what Lolth would have done to them for that obscene level of absolute incompetence) They also really missed the mark rushing the kidnapping so early in act 3 and not having Orin focus on the character the Tav has the highest relationship with. It would likely have been more complicated coding but when it's one of the biggest enemies in the game that seems like it should be where you'd want to invest Currently most people approach it with an attitude of "well as long as she takes Halsin or the NPC idc, they can chill and I'll deal with her at a point that actually makes sense in the timeline) All in all I wish they'd included fewer of the things but had them be closer to the lore shown in this video. It truly would have made them a more compelling enemy imo

​@@Xenolithial Orin isn't a doppelganger tho, isn't she? I think she's a changeling.

Yeah, she's just a changeling. Still spooky though. ​@@Sasorilolo

@@Sasorilolo This is a good point, I forgot she was referred to as a changeling. I looked it up and it seems that rarely changelings are considered a seperate race entirely, but for the vast majority of situations it seems they are the hybrid children of a doppelganger and a human female Which gets even more confusing because I'm pretty sure Orin's father isn't a doppelganger or a changeling and her mother is human The main differences seem to be changelings are basically weaker overall, not as good at shape shifting, and can't read minds Which overall would imply Orin should have been even more dedicated to stalking her prey but does partly explain why she was generally bad at impersonating them and gave up the ruses so quickly The others I'm pretty sure were listed as doppels though? Or maybe they were changelings too, not sure now

Not really you said yourself with Paladins is about the devotion you have to belive and dedicate yourself to your oath, your feelings have to genuine and you have to follow your oath tenets with all your heart, that's like the difference between pretending to be in love and actually being in love.

Also druids are a complicated matter the specifics of how their powers work are usually vague

@@DeliciaDamaria What part of “they even take on their alignment and can even perform psionic spellcasting” did you not comprehend; if they can perform something as difficult as psionic spellcasting, then daily rituals and living by a strict set of tenets is nothing for them; be they Druidic or Devotional in nature, they know all the tasks involved in performing the prerequisites. If the Greater Doppelgänger acts against the alignment of the one they transform into, it can cause them to forcibly revert their form; that means a Lawful Good Paladin of Helm that has been replaced would continue to act as a Lawful Good Paladin of Helm, complete with protecting people, and healing people, and being Lawful Good. Your Anti-Duidic Spellcasting argument is the same as saying that non-Wiccans are incapable of doing Wiccan magic, even if they follow all the same steps; Wiccan is nature magic, as is Druidic magic; both use the inherent magic of their surroundings to induce the effects they are generating, that magic has no alignment, nor does it discriminate against who is casting it; in fact, the Arcane Weave of Mystra/Mystral has more inherent discriminatory limitations than the natural magic of the world; that's why Mythals made using Soul Magic are so powerful, they are inherently categorized as Nature Magic, making them beyond the scope of Mystra's Portfolio (it's specifically in Io's portfolio). So, yeah, only clerics and warlocks would really be the only ones that are incapable of getting their powers copied, unless by some chance that Greater Doppelgänger happened to form that same bond themselves with those beings granting that power. The Druid's magic doesn't discern nor discriminate between who is the one influencing it, and Paladins manifest their magic based upon their belief and devotion, not their worship; because the Paladin magic comes from within.

Indeed! Unfortunately I forgot to emphasize that after I covered their hard skin

Hail Gygax