Subaru FA/FB Series Engine Timing Chains: Removal & Installation
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@MrSubaru1387 Жыл бұрын
‼️⚠️Correction in the video! The RTV silicone bead goes just outside of the groove, not in it. Place the bead on the flat mating surface between the groove, but inside of the bolt holes. The groove is there to catch the squish out when the cover is reinstalled. ‼️⚠️
@lacrease6517 Жыл бұрын
Should remove the dipstick also, seen it get pinched between the cover and upper oil pan if you reinstall it with it in the tube.
@MrSubaru1387 Жыл бұрын
@@lacrease6517 yup!
@jedwin4816 Жыл бұрын
@@MrSubaru1387 can't someone like FelPro make a real gasket set for these engines?
@SniperSwarm 11 ай бұрын
Glad I read the comments. 😳
@rakesmathilakam 9 ай бұрын
@@MrSubaru1387 Hi
@donaldgeorge6656 Жыл бұрын
It really makes me appreciate these engines. Incredible build. Thank you for showing this
@tylerkcadell Жыл бұрын
You’re 100% right I searched for hours before coming across this video! So helpful and very well done! Thanks a lot
@o0oCircleso0o Жыл бұрын
You sir are a wealth of knowledge. You are good at what you do.
@ramtruck2011able Жыл бұрын
Awesome job showing us the ins and outs of the front end
@brandonharrop7723 Жыл бұрын
thank you so much, pulling the engine next month myself at a privately owned shop I work at. Noticed the same lack of quality videos with thorough explanation bc I've been trying to research how to do it for months now hahah. This video along with my mentor at work makes me extremely confident in our success :) going to be replacing valve seals as well as I believe they're starting to leak
@joepluchta4594 4 ай бұрын
By far the most comprehensive video on FA timing chain R&R available that I can find. I'm in the process of rebuilding one of these engines right now and I wanted to find something clear and understandable by a professional tech. Thank you!
@Quite6ee Жыл бұрын
Yess I greatly appreciate this. I am in the midst of replacing a cylinder head, and intake cam. Found one of the rockers broke free during a clutch and engine reseal job. No check engine light of any noticeable mpg loss, nothing.. But Im kind of new to the cam clearances and adding the correct caps the the rockers. Ill get it done. But I do appreciate the timing chain video. Ill take all FB20 videos. THanks
@sneakyfoz3692 Жыл бұрын
Now I know why I love my old EJ257, life was so simple back then, proper gaskets are my hero.
@demonchild-wj1mw Жыл бұрын
mr.subaru you are a god i love you. ive been doing an fa20 build for my car and the other night i was trying to get my timing cover on and i kept hitting the side of the cover on the cam gears and getting rtv on them and it was annoying me. even tho ive put these covers on quite a hand full of times i still just couldnt get it, you showing me that they have these alignment tools just gave me a bright idea to basically make my own out of old/spare bolts and my trusty dusty welder hahaha thanks mr.subaru
@jvs25 7 ай бұрын
Hey Mr. Subaru I watch you on a regular bases. I have a 2018 Outback 2.5 touring. I don’t know what it is if it’s a ej aj if it has a belt chain I have been out of the shop many years can you please inform me. I fixed small airplanes in the army and served in Vite Ñam 1969-70. I use to fix cars too but can’t remember what I had for breakfast. I tried to do tire rotation. Once I got the tires off I could not get them back on without help. I am old and decrepit. Any way I like your youtube videos. Reminds me when I use to fix things. Pay no attention to those negative comments lots of haters out there. Have a great day keep up the good work. 😊
@Thisoldhiker 6 ай бұрын
An '18 Outback has an FB engine with a timing chain.
@user-dw2iz2bj1j 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for blessing every Subaru owner now i know what i have to do With the engn
@ryanhoge Жыл бұрын
As always - you are awesome! Thanks for the knowledge
@dieselbassohyah1533 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Planning on short block for my 2012 Forrester, refurb the heads. Torque sequence is funky though. Really enjoy the channel
@user-vs7ec1wz5d Жыл бұрын
You are a walking Subaru Service Manual. An excellent job on explaining engine timing chains removal and installation. Nice tips on how to use silicone sealer, where to use it and how much to apply. When reinstalling parts with O-rings, why don't you put a little engine oil on the O-rings? I would think it would help them seat better between the two parts. Seems that three or four alignment bolts besides the dowels would make it easier to install the cover without messing up the silicone placement. Thanks for another great video!
@jamesbruno5896 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Thanks Mr Subaru!
@1atinlove Жыл бұрын
Awesome vid! This helped a lot, I have to fix a little leak on the bottom of the cover.
@wildmanofthewynooch7028 Жыл бұрын
as much as I love your channel this is a Hello Subaru Service dept! job for this guy. Still love how you teach us about our Subarus
@bmwrules28 Жыл бұрын
What an awesome video!!! Thanks for sharing and posting!! Happy Memorial Day!!
@morgsytheman2840 Жыл бұрын
This is also such a good guide for EE20 diesel variants (the chains start to go anywhere from 140000km upwards. Engine removal in diesel is not required for diesels btw, you can get away with fans out and bottom splash guard off if you take your time. You will know if your diesel chains are due if it stalls on cold starts and disconnecting the cam sensor cable stops it happening (it will throw a code and limit rpm, not drivable)
@nhubui1602 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the videos. You the best ❤.
@tonym893 8 ай бұрын
Man what a great video, thank you! 🙏
@6spd85notch 11 ай бұрын
The Toyota 2.7 2trfe has a very similar oil pump design. I did the head gasket on my Tacoma and it wasn’t easy. Head gasket went at 235k miles. Ran good when I finished it but ended up going and buying a 23 wrx which seems like a really cool car. I had about 40 hours into that head gasket. Pretty much what Toyota calls for to fix it.
@WarrenB. Жыл бұрын
the best youtube mechanic.
@zachsummers3321 Жыл бұрын
Ya him,car wizard, car care nuts and Ford boss me.
@supermotos Жыл бұрын
@@zachsummers3321 No way car wizard is going to be mentioned before Eric at South Main Auto.
@MrSubaru1387 Жыл бұрын
*Scanner Danner is typing…*
@nancyoffenhiser4916 Жыл бұрын
I agree.
@mrphiscal Жыл бұрын
@@supermotos Eric the car guys deserve a mention. ( Rev up your engine aka mr bad hair day get a perfect rotten tomato 0%).
@joeythedime1838 Жыл бұрын
Really great content. It was a bit funny half way through your calming voice reminded me of Bob Ross.... I think, on these longer videos, you might be the Bob Ross of car care.
@lil-chevy8487 Жыл бұрын
wow what a great video,you are the man,you have a new sub here .
@wendys-uy7wc 2 ай бұрын
You do a good job you would make a good teacher
@averywellsand888 Жыл бұрын
IMHO, if you're going this far to change the timing on this engine unless it has been done recently, it would be a good idea to reseal the cam carrier also. And labor wise, I'm sure if you're doing the cam carrier, it's a good idea to just do the timing stuff anyway or do a good inspection
@ShortysTRM Жыл бұрын
As someone who has the rattle on cold start, may be worth changing tensioners while you're in there, depending on how much they are.
@carnaubawax9405 Жыл бұрын
Great look at the FA/FB timing chain setup and servicing. Not a DIY project for anyone but a car mechanic, and not even a service I'd be confident of getting done right at a dealership with their "factory trained" technicians. There's a lot more that goes into doing this service right than knowing your nuts and bolts, as MrSubaru clearly explains.
@austinmiller417 11 ай бұрын
Hey there, currently putting back together by FA20DIT after building it with forged internals and all the goodies. I'm doing the timing and followed this video to the T as well as following the Subaru service manual information regarding the timing assembly and every sixth or seventh full rotation of the crank is producing a ping sound that almost sounds like a valve hitting the piston. Threw a bore scope in my cylinders and I'm not seeing any damage to the pistons that would indicate timing failure. Any idea what could be happening or what I missed before I tear it all apart again?
@raygarceau7782 Жыл бұрын
Great video thank you, question, Can these tensioners fail? Does it sound like a rod knock when/if they do?
@bullnukeoldman3794 Жыл бұрын
19 minutes in and I'm already glad I have a couple old EJ253s...
@BoNosKG09 Жыл бұрын
@MrSubaru1387 regarding the PCV system, is it more beneficial to run a catch can/AOS on the F series rather than trust the PCV valve? I have a 2022 Crosstrek 2.0
@johnbellman7912 8 ай бұрын
A quick question, bye the way I truly appreciate your detailed explanations. Having replaced a short block on a FA 20 2019 WRX turbo I would like to know what your best practice would be in priming the oil system prior to firing the engine. Hope your enjoying SEMA, spent 20 odd years as a manufacture ( Flowmaster) there. Looking for some insight
@SportcarautopecasBr 4 ай бұрын
Explicação bem detalhada ótimo pra entender , parabéns e abraço aqui do Brazil
@frankkasirye4200 9 ай бұрын
Nice video ,thanks
@user-wl7my7ic8g 11 ай бұрын
Very very good thanks 👍❤
@user-wl7my7ic8g 11 ай бұрын
Very very good thanks ❤
@kevinsiggins623 Жыл бұрын
Obviously they're not as sharp or durable as steel razor blades but I've found the plastic razor blades can work well for removing RTV sealant on aluminum because you can be more aggressive without worrying about scratching the aluminum. Just make sure you have plenty of them because they won't last long.
@josephvue9580 Жыл бұрын
Hey Mr. Subaru, would the yellow marks that you use to indicate if the cams are in time. Would it be safe to mark it if you were doing a costumer car or like a personal car juat so you don't forget? Also marking it to help identifying it would it cause any oil contamination by any change? If it doesn’t do any oil contamination what would you recommend of a marker to help easier identify the marks?
@mdonola 6 ай бұрын
Excellent video, everything is very well explained in detail, just one question: is the chain not checked to see if it is stretched or if it has looseness between links?
@ericarg 10 ай бұрын
Question: My drivers upper cam phaser is barely off before removal. Double checked the markings and chain and it was good. Is my phaser going out? Appreciate you. Great video
@waltertavcar7059 Жыл бұрын
Having a 2018 Outback 2.5 Touring for a few years now, I hit upon your channel and it is IMMENSELY informative. Can you comment on the small battery dilemma ( class action lawsuit )? I live in Canada and my car has sat quite a bit during covid in the last few years. It gets to -25C (-13F) during winter in my neck of the woods. I NEVER had battery/starting issues. I looked a replacement choices if I need it. I am told that the type 25 can be replaced by a type 75. Some youtubers have suggested type 24. They are obviously larger. The battery blanket is, of course, smaller. Is there a bigger one? All youtubers did the cut/patch method. Can I assume either the 24/75 can do the job? Thanks
@Alohahomeautorepair Жыл бұрын
Question..can you change outer seal for the oil pump drive seal without taking the timing cover down? I have a oil leak behind my crank pully😢
@jorgeleon3675 Жыл бұрын
What do you recommend for a DIY mechanics tool set? Thank you have a nice day Sir.
@carlosnagursia5865 2 ай бұрын
Really excellent help , thank very mucho
@jonclassical2024 Жыл бұрын
If there is any question one might have warped the timing chain cover, is it better to just go ahead and bite the $400. cost for a new one?
@demonslayerproductions Жыл бұрын
Sir what engine oil should I use for my gr86 with the new fa24 I live in florida its usually around 90 degrees I'm thinking I should use either 5w30 or 5w20 possibly 0w30 please let me know owners manual says 0w20 but it says it is for more flow in cold weather, but it is hot where I am?
@orgwizard2000 10 ай бұрын
Any chance you can provide more info on that chain tensioner rattle? How serious it is, and7is it normal for it to make that brief sound at startup and only an issue if the sound of lasts longer than the brief second or so after start up or does even that indicate the problem that I would require what looks like a major service?
@MrSubaru1387 7 ай бұрын
Its pretty normal to hear with age. If it lasts more than a second or so, likely time to start thinking about tensioner replacement.
@rbailey225 7 ай бұрын
Grind a small groove and fill it with paint on the outside of your crank socket to correspond with the key way, that way you know where the key way is all the time. Great video! Thanks! What RTV do you recommend?
@nootynoot6210 8 ай бұрын
@MrSubaru1387 I am currently in the middle of replacing timing chains, guides and tensioners. Do the chain guides need to be covered in oil pre installation or can I put them in dry
@averyrc1634 Жыл бұрын
I agree with these others I like how you do things I like to chat with ya sometime for info sharing I in the nc mountains so there’s a lot of subarus that’s bout all I work on anymore thanks for your videos
@jeffreygoss8109 Жыл бұрын
How many mechanics do you think will immediately grab a sanding disc do exactly like Mr Subbie said NOT TO DO. That’s why if my shit needs work I’ll take it down to him. It’s an 8 hour drive but worth it.
@eknapp70 Жыл бұрын
Have you experienced a lot of issues with the rtv sealant and cam carriers with these engines?
@griffinmead934 Жыл бұрын
Under what circumstances or mileage requirements would you be replacing the timing chain?
@wafel19781 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@greg6229 Жыл бұрын
What was the change interval for the FB25 engines? Ive got a 22 outback. Not something Im thinking about now but couldnt seem to find out if there was a change interval for it
@MrSubaru1387 Жыл бұрын
Chains are lifetime. No service intervals.
@justzayit5082 2 ай бұрын
I have not seen a removal on the chain section for the 11 forester. I have only seen the belts. I do have a question about the rocker arms since I am doing the heads on this one.
@dansmacuisine Жыл бұрын
How and when should I notice it is time to change the chain timing belt? My Outback is a 2015 and has 97,556 miles
@IM_EX3MPT Ай бұрын
Do u have a video on the 2019 Subaru crosstrek 2.0 f4 non hybrid engine timing marks?
@gdadidasboi5030 Жыл бұрын
This video is a lifesaver! About to go replace my intake camshaft sprocket on the passenger side but have been super nervous about doing this. Quick question though, if I only replace that one sprocket and use special tools to keep everything in place, I wouldn’t have to reset timing would I?
@IntelliPocalypse 10 ай бұрын
It’s probably a good idea to go ahead and reset the timing because if you get it all back together and the timing is off, you’ll have to take it all back apart again and do it anyway. Plus, if it jumps timing again, it may screw something up
@josephlownes5138 Жыл бұрын
Is there any gears in the oil pan for the oil pump
@karimhassanelbanna5216 Жыл бұрын
i have FB20B engine and when i start it morning its sound is high but when the oil warm up its sound goes down so what is its problem ?
@ruggv6217 Жыл бұрын
How do the chains get oiled?
@user-is1qo7lb1r 10 ай бұрын
Спасибо 🤝
@armandodiaz67 7 ай бұрын
Would you say the engine should be out? Also are there any milage intervals, where the chains, guides and tensioners, should be replaed?
@TobyJacques 3 ай бұрын
So I'm gonna be getting a 2005 Subaru legacy 2.5l. I'm not really a Subaru fan but it's the best thing I can get to cart my newborn around in. It has a slight rod knock I guess so I'm thinkin of putting a 2.0l motor from a Baja in it cause I know those motors are more reliable. Will the 2.0 bolt right up to the trans and everything in place of the 2.5l?
@cheffy101 4 ай бұрын
Do you have a video on replacing the cam phasers?
@huafist01 10 ай бұрын
I can’t seem to find a kit for a 2016 forester (fb25bc); all kits I find are 2011-2015. Any advice?
@Nomoreidsleft Жыл бұрын
How would you charge for a timing chain replacement like this? Looks like a lot of work.
@volks-jager Жыл бұрын
anaerobic sealer like Locite 518 or Permatex 51813 is the way to go with these timing covers or cam carriers. it is much easier to deal with and has zero chance of plugging anything up. i hate RTV the only thing i use RTV on anymore is tins.
@Shiftheads Жыл бұрын
This! Volvo makes a great one too
@thewiredfox2691 10 ай бұрын
How easy/hard is it to get undone for the next repair? Is it comparable to RTV during removal or might it increase chances of breaking the cover?
@volks-jager 10 ай бұрын
@@thewiredfox2691 it comes apart no problem.
@rrowe3774 9 ай бұрын
My '19 Impreza (82k) has started a leak from this cover. Is there any reason to replace the cam drive pieces or are they scheduled to be replaced at certain intervals?
@eddiehun4255 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I am from Malaysia. I did asked 2 of the workshop mechanic and both of them told me Subaru engine is expansive to maintain and common issue is oil leak on the FA and FB engine. Once it happen need ti bring down the engine and also hassle to service as well on other issues. I am interested into Subaru Levorg 2.0 with Turbo but would prefer a car with less hassle to maintain. Levorg is come with FB engine if not mistaken Need to advise on this, thank you in advance.
@edwardclark7670 9 ай бұрын
There be dragons! The late model 2011 Forester with the NA FB25 (first generation) dos not have VVT on the exhaust as mentioned in the video. The LH intake cam will be under tension to align the marks. The service manual does have a bulletin, however I found them to be less than clear. In the end, the timing marks do line up the same.
@Kacpa2 Жыл бұрын
I always thought was very similar to EZ30/36. Since it looks like all the main design elements come from EZ36(angled conrods)
@Thunderroad8517 7 ай бұрын
I am working on one of these engines. My job was to re and re the transmission for bearing failure. The trans mated up fine. Put the first converter bolt in and turned the crankshaft clockwise to install the second bolt and the crank stopped and wouldn’t go any further. Stuck I turned it back to get the bolt back out of the torque converter and pulled the trans back out thinking something was wrong with the trans. I tried to turn the crank clockwise again and it got to the same spot and it stopped again. I pulled the cover expecting it to be out of time. Marks on rh good marks on Lh one tooth off. Took off rh chain and follow your guidance and could not get the crank to go to the second position to remove the second chain. Is there a position for both banks to be neutral to be able to get the crank to the second position. I have tried everything that I know. I would pay you for your advice and information. Just need to get this car back to the customer asap. Thanks in advance for your videos and help.
@89supra4 7 күн бұрын
This was a great help but im getting P0018 on the Left side intake. For the crankshaft mark, the front(or right side) is clear to me where the link should sit. What is your reference point for the rear ( or Left) side? I noticed there's a mark on the back of the gear i could use or does it go on the same tooth in line with the visible mark of the front(Right) side? i suspect I may be a tooth off but it does run.
@_whiteshoedrew 6 ай бұрын
Hey man, I’m getting ready to put heads on my BRZ FA20. Would you make a video on this please!?
@ryonreginato6242 Жыл бұрын
I know this is a little off subject but it seems they have discontinued the OEM alternator for my 2006 Subaru outback. I oem part number is 23700AA55A I am looking for the best quality replacement? Can Mr Subaru or anybody else knowledgeable point me in the right direction? Thank you.
@chrisv6008 9 ай бұрын
Mr Subaru Sorry for bothering you but I just changed my engine in my 2009 forester that ran but burned oil badly With a 2009 outback that ran and drove right in the shop before pulling Now that it's installed it doesn't have spark Any idea if it has to do with senors or is it the crankshaft timing gear possibly?? Any help would be greatly appreciated
@theboo4u Жыл бұрын
I took my frs into dealer with p0018 code. 3 weeks later they told me the camshaft had broken in half. He thought this because when he relieved tension the camahaft moved. Had them put back together took too another mechanic that tried starting it. Dealership didn't do valve timing after reinstall, and now the motor wont fully free spin with crank, fml. Any advice on the motor? Just sell it as valves prob hit the pistons? You are my new favorite mechanic btw
@awsomeness9901 10 ай бұрын
Do you have part numbers for the orings?
@Savannahjbo Жыл бұрын
what do you mean its not 41 or 42 allan head bolts holding the chain cover on... (still have nightmares of that 3.0L cover)
@zyuans 5 ай бұрын
I was wondering do you do resealing? Because talking to other owner whom had it done I realized it could cost my whole engine if they didn’t put enough or too much RTV.
@derekwhite1462 Жыл бұрын
Great detailed video! Curious why Subaru would choose RTV over a gasket.
@joeythedime1838 Жыл бұрын
Cost...
@MrSubaru1387 Жыл бұрын
RTV works better than a massive gasket for the timing cover.
@gangstafish25 11 ай бұрын
Can't you use gaskets instead of silicone to put cover back on?
@Xxxman1111 3 ай бұрын
When I’m turning it over at the crank to check it over is it normal for it to occasionally spring back counterclockwise as I’m turning it clockwise? Rotates smoothly but at times there is some spring tension that makes it all want to spring counterclockwise. Is this normal? Also my engine is the fb25 and my lower cams on the LH side & RH side are just sprockets, they aren’t identical to the top like in your video. Do I still follow the same process? Hoping for some guidance thank you
@amysmith1513 7 ай бұрын
Sorry to be a pain but could you list the part numbers for the 5 o-rings that are needed? I've looked on Subaru Parts online and I don't see them in the diagrams. Thanks
@lantern214 11 ай бұрын
I'm a Honda guy who is converting to Subaru. I used to think boxer engines were intimidating, but this is a dream compared to cramped transverse engines.
@simd510 6 ай бұрын
They are. The rtv is a pain. If you arnt extremely careful its debri can cause lots of issues. Most mechanics won't be so careful
@vortecturbo Жыл бұрын
Great video! Are 5he timing chains themselves left and right side specific or just use the colored links for the timing alignment?? Thanks again for a great video!
@user-lm8jn5pw8v 7 ай бұрын
Do you have a list of the o rings please
@sarcotexas 9 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@MrSubaru1387 6 ай бұрын
Thank You!
@baretael 11 ай бұрын
Es recomendable cambiar todo o solo el tensor si esta malo mi mi forester suena en la mañana y después se calla
@Sirjohn13501 Жыл бұрын
When should you get it done I just got a Subaru it’s a 2012 Impreza with $128,000. I changed transmission and oil in it.
@gonpostal1971 Жыл бұрын
Is the right and left chain the same?
@alhajri851 9 ай бұрын
I have a problem with the Subaru Forester 2015, I replaced parts inside the engine Ringe piston, connecting rod bearings, crankshaft bearings and gasket full. after repair and installation, when the engine is started, vibration occurs when the car is parked or when the speed is reduced at 10 km/h. What is the reason?
@noelwarner1235 10 ай бұрын
I was not aware that Subarus use chains I thought all of them still have belts. Do all of the current Subarus use chains and when did they stop using the belt setup?
@jedwin4816 Жыл бұрын
The labor to do this right - assuming I can find anyone competent- would be so expensive Im thinking a new Factory engine swap might make more sense. 🤔.
@possiblycurryddork Жыл бұрын
As long as you change your oil regularly, you shouldn't have to change your chain. The serpentine belt after 100k miles is another story.
@josephlownes5138 Жыл бұрын
Could you use antisezies to prevent it from that
@michaelrathman7305 11 ай бұрын
how do you take off the heads?
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