Agree 100%, in my video 8 reasons I wasn't excited about the second FS2024 trailer. Reason number 6 is the fact they showed no default airports in the trailer, they I show how bad KPRC Prescott AZ is in MSFS2020. I was at Sim Expo today and there was not anything about it. I was hoping there would be a MSFS2024 demo but there was not.

Lol. You are not far off. X-plane for me is actually about 50-60 fps now. Much better after xp12.1. But I cratered the frames with all these mods and I’m back down to mid 30-40 with some pretty bad stuttering and random drops into the teens on these flyby views. But come on i have a i7 13700 and 4080 and thats all in can get in 1080. Sigh. Gonna need to look into improving performance next. Thanks for watching!

Q8 pilot I think made performance guides to improve fps​@@NightTrainIndustries

xplane 12.1 beta completely fixed fps issues for me... i have a pretty old pc, 10th gen i7 and a 2060 super yet i almost always have over 40 fps, used to get 20. In the air im usually at 60-70

@@NightTrainIndustries Not sure how thats possible. Im on 10th Gen i7 and a 1080ti getting 50-60fps at 4k.. There must be a plugin or addon seriously draining your fps..

@@PilotLH With all sliders right and all the Mods in the video?

Is XPlane 11 better than FSX? Yes, but I was playing FSX when I was 7. It's old as shyte. XPlane is stuck in the 2010s, MSFS is miles ahead

Yeah it's kind of a pain. A lot of disk space. Something compels me to move forward. Thanks for watching.

Thanks. Appreciate it.

Yeah, people need x plane for more complex setups. I can see how it is much more customizable than MSFS. I think it’s unlikely they will ever cater to custom hardware builders. Some are getting results in MSFS. Commercial developers seem to be pushing MS and Asobo to support custom hardware. Thanks for watching.

It has been niche because no one is using it, it is literally 10 years behind, so are its users.

Thanks john appreciate it! I think supporting laminar is a good thing. It’s a great time to be into flightsimming.

Appreciate it jost. Hd620 damn thats… some power.

Bluebird is coming out with what looks like the highest fidelity 757 (and eventually a 767) ever for a flight sim. It's going to be really good. PMDG 777-300 drops the 25th. Ini Builds is progressing on the A350 and A220. Exciting times. I believe there is evidence MSFS is helping X-Plane sales as well. Thanks for watching.

Appreciate it. It takes a lot of mods but it’s good once you get it dialed in. Thanks for watching.

X-Plane is inconstant even with addons. In Idaho I was wowed but flying over Paris and Zurich I was like WTF mate? Thanks for watching.

I do. The attack 3 only has 6 buttons and the 5 at the top are used as a POV hat. So trims are key board, rev thrusters, speed brake, flaps, views all keyboard. Like i said looking to get something better. What would be great would be a joystick with a elevator trim wheel. You may want to try msfs series now. Working title has done a lot of work to the stock airplanes and the improvements should carry on into msfs 2024. Thanks for watching.

Level D sims have terrible scenery.

Does it work automatically? Like if i just open xplane and not open auto ortho first? It forces the scenery packs.ini to always be in that same order or you have to run it to get the order right? 15 bucks is steep but this is an annoying problem.

@@NightTrainIndustries it's suppose to organize everything automatically. You can run different profiles. I have one profile with auto Ortho active and one without. That way I can run xplane with default scenery when I need to work on something. You should run xorganizer everytime you add scenery only. After that, if you use auto Ortho, just run it first before xplane. I use map enhancement XP instead of auto Ortho now as it's a cleaner, simpler and more polished than auto Ortho.

Yeah actually with all these mods I was having second thoughts as to whether msfs was better looking especially at loon creek. But then I went to Paris and went oh no! That looks awful. Do you know of a european buildings mod?

Yeah, it felt like I was back in the FSX days again. I'd say that's about the right ratio. I'm going to do another video with Visual XP and MESH and then some split screen stuff... but first I have to do a sim expo video.

I get a smooth 85 fps in MSFS with a i7 13700 and 4080 super. So the relatively bad performance in X-plane gave me flash backs to the FSX days. Thanks for watching.

I’m transitioning to more X-Plane content and adding DCS in the future. I have been a Microsoft booster for… ever. Time to branch out. I was just slightly interested in XP but now I’m spending money on mods. You can enjoy anything you want but as ectem points out having to repurchase expensive mods is prohibitive if you want the ultimate experience.

Fly both, I do! The two biggest things that cause a disparity in photoscenery, mesh and vegetation, is because of Microsoft data. Being able to access Bing map data with OSM already included, and the Blackshark ai, is the difference

@@ajfurnari2448 Yes, people don't realize how amazing Black Shark really is. I find it amusing though that Auto Ortho uses Bing as a primary source and SimHeaven uses Microsoft OSM data.

None of this was mentioned at SimExpo. Or by the folks at the Laminar Booth. Do you have a link?

@@NightTrainIndustries Yep. No mention of it. There is no plan to use ortho-photos to the extent that MSFS does. I remember Meyer saying that they may use it for intermediate details (tens to hundreds of meters) to improve detail around airports, more or less... It was during a live session but I can't find the video... And no real commitment. They can't do it anyway for financial reasons. What they should do is use a base ortho package, like the blue marble data set for example, not to display it in sim but use it for procedural generation, along with more precise coastlines, biomes, buildings placement, etc. You don't need several petabytes of data to do it, unless your company is called Microsoft. Sure, it won't look as precise as MSFS2024 but procedural generation, based on a more modest ortho data set would go along way. Make sense? And maybe, they can stream the final world tile set. Even if it's a few terabytes, you could download it all over time and your sim would look the same being online or offline. Which is a plus. Then Laminar Research can just regularly update their "world server" with patched data that can be updated just where it needs to be (as they mentioned that it is exactly how their new tile system will work basically). I also asked Supnik on the dev blog if their new tile system will allow them to render the whole world from pole to pole and he said yes, that's not a problem for the new system. So, that's that at least. But thinking that X-Plane is going to be on par with the level of details of MSFS2024 is just pure delusion. There is obvious room for improvement but it's going to be long in the making... I wish they can make it sooner than later. My guess is that some kind of terrain rework will show up next year for 12.3 ... MSFS2024 makes me wan't to build a PC with next year hardware just to play it (didn't do it for MSFS2020, neither for XP12). I'm pretty sure X-Plane will still lack behind on the terrain side. And, I'm sorry, it may be just eye candy but it's an integral part off the immersion. Flight dynamics, for any guy behind a screen, on a chair, will be perfectly good enough in MSFS2024. You could maybe still consider XP12 significantly superior in that regards compared to MSFS2020, but I don't think it is really valid anymore with MSFS2024... And I don't want either to spend time with addons to try to improve XP12. I wan't an immersive and beautiful out of the box experience, that can be updated to study level if I want. Not the other way around. Imho.

"Most of us should know by now that X plane will include orthos and photo scenery in later updates this year." - Stop fanboying and spreading rumors.

Im finding that x-plane in this final configuration is good for GA. I think there will be some exciting news tomorrow regarding MSFS2024. Thanks for watching.

Appreciate it! LOL yeah, The same was said about Apple. In the beginning of the video I talk about Macs. Well, I a was an Apple fanboy. Always talked about how amazing Finder was and how crappy Windows was. Most young people don't know about this time period but in the late 90s and early 2000 Apple was on life support. It was at that point I joined the evil empire. As I get older I have less tolerance for quirky shit. I used to drive Volvos, SAABs, BMWs, Mercedes then after a string of bad cars I went to the Toyota Dealer and said give me a brand new soulless Corolla. Never been happier. As you said: It just Works. Thanks for watching!

I think a lot of x plane fans switched after years of neglect from Microsoft. X plane 10 was more compelling than fsx. Then there are the Linux and Mac folks. Thanks for watching!

msfs may get more addons but xplane gets all the realistic addons - even PMDGs old products on P3D were closer to the real thing than their MSFS addons

@@tb46475 You have a point there. I noticed the old PMDG planes on Prepar3d look and sound better than the MSFS versions. And seemingly have more functionality The 737 on MSFS sounds pitiful and really should have included modern tablet with ground functions All the PMDG planes on P3D were outstanding Seems like PMDG put more elbow grease and effort into Prepar3d and mailed in the MSFS 737 The IFly 737 on Prepar3D is also outstanding and never made it to MSFS

@@samuelsmith2112 I think its partly due to the poor msfs SDK, but mostly PMDG realising that they have no real competition and are abusing this monopoly, the same unfortunately happened with inibuilds too - they used to make awesome planes

@@tb46475 Inibuilds planes for MSFS are repetitive and mediocre and they dropped X plane like a hand grenade which was wrong. They claim X plane has “an uncertain future” I noticed in the past four years NOBODY except PMDG made a study level 737 for MSFS and even that was a so so effort, just a straight port. And it looks like PMDG is the only one making a study level 777 for MSFS Hopefully people don’t dump the flightfactor 777 when the PMDG one comes out

I when I was younger around the year 2000 I was convinced I wanted to be a pilot. I earned about 14 hours that year but then life happened and I decided to enter The Air Force enlisted. It ate up all my time. Around the year 2004 I started training again earning and additional 8 hours, but then I went a long time with out flying. In 2017 I picked it back up only to decided the flight school was sketchy. I am a 42 year old adult who has wealthy friends with airplanes. There will be a real world 172 video coming out soon. I also have a video coming out in a few weeks about why I abandoned the idea of becoming a real world pilot. Thanks for watching.

So until you don't gain 1000+ h is better for you to stick with ur evaluation only for graphic or other comparison. Is a friendly suggestion. Ps. I stop watching after 1 min.

​@@alexfly80 I will take you to heart thank you so very much for such a great suggestion. I will work tirelessly to earn your subscription and make sure that I hold your attention for more than 1 minute next time.

@alexfly80 Being a real pilot means jack shyte in the world of flight simulator development. Source: myself, an aeronautical engineer working in flight model development. We have always been advised to ignore inputs from real pilots, as they're knowledge of flight mechanics is inferior to an engineer's, and you have no knowledge of pushing an aircraft to it's real limit. You can only fly your aircraft within the restrictions written on your manual. Nothing you say carries any weight.

Fair enough. I don’t fully understand the last sentence. Never made a good edition? You mean a video that was only positive about X-Plane?

That's because Xplane blows

Yeah now I can tell that the assignments are almost endless for X-plane. I still have a lot to learn. My problem with xplane now is that my previously good frame rate cratered from 60-80 to 30-50 and I don’t even have mesh yet. I still need a traffic program for realistic ai traffic, I’m going to start using sayintentions because default ATC is meh. I just use a attack 3 because i fly all airplanes. But I might see if I can get better stuff. I’ll be mad if i spend 400+ and the cirrus are still hard to control. Thanks for your support. Appreciate it.

The argument is always that scenery doesn’t matter because the airplanes and flight dynamics are so good and the sim is so customizable.

It’s good. The best… debatable.

Hey also if you need a new joystick I recommend the Virpil VPC WarBRD-D, thats the base then you can buy any stick thats compatible to put on it. They sell their own but I personally use the FSProjects a32x stick

I used to but not anymore. I’d like to find out a few things 1. What airplane. 2 when did you last try MSFS. 3. Why do people keep saying airflow is fake when Asobo continuously shows its computational fluid dynamics model. How do you fake CFD? I can agree ground handling on certain airplanes is problematic in MSFS. I can’t see how the any flight sim can benefit any pilot in real life. To me it’s all entertainment and the FAA apparently feels the same way only allowing 2.5 hrs of batd or aatd time to count towards a ppl or 10 hrs towards instrument rating. I’ll check out vipril thanks for watching?

@@NightTrainIndustries 1. Flight model isn't per airplane, it's per sim - the aircraft developer only has to fill out a config file with a low poly version of the aircraft used for simulations and information like weights, cgs, drag coefficients etc; so the airplane is irrelevant if the author of the addon has realistic data and uses this correctly. 2. Couple months ago, i still use it every now and then to make scenic shots 3. It's fake - it is not simulated and is pre-determined. This is why xplane has much poorer CPU performance, because the CPU is actually doing something...

​@@tb46475 er, but XP12 is way easier on the CPU, isn't it? In MSFS I'm always bottlenecked by CPU, in XP12, the VRAM is the limit and CPU usage is much lower.

@@ScepticGinger89 xplane 12 thrives on single core performance, so you won’t see high total usage

You didn’t watch the video if that’s your takeaway.

But the thing is that he is talking about real issues of XP12. His goal is not to complain about it, but to talk about his experience with this simulator. And you had the choice of clicking on this video or not but you did anyway so that's on you

Why do you keep watching their content then? If you don’t like what they say, don’t click. Do you need someone to validate your choices by saying XP12 is the best sim ever?

@@fortel7939 hes not though, all of the problems mentioned are either false, his error, or can be fixed with free addons

@@tb46475fixed with free addons is the dumbest comment to ever leave plane fanboys mouths. For all that y’all talk about how awesome xplane is over every other sim, it isn’t. It isn’t even close. The only thing better is the “flight model”….. sort of. Not really. And then you have to go in and fix the sim to make it worth using….. it doesn’t matter that they are free….. you still have to spend countless hours finding them then figuring them out then hope that they actually work together properly.

YES THERE IS A POINT THE POINT IS THAT I AM SLOWLY WARMING UP TO XPLANE AND I AM TELLING MSFS FANS ABOUT HOW THEY CAN GET INTO X-PLANE WITH OUT IT LOOKING LIKE CRAP BUT THERE ARE SOME CAVEATS THANK YOU FOR WATCHING

@@NightTrainIndustries I've seen the best of both worlds. Been to both camps over the years. The thing is after all this time, while i had the best hands on experience flying in XP i still felt more immersed in MSFS. Also MSFS being more popular has a richer addon library. Another thing is that with XP it takes a lot of time to make it look decent (setting up scenery addons) and setting up your controls. Truth is (at least for me) after all that it sill kinda lacked, in looks and in that immersive atmosphere you can get with MSFS and it's addons.