Hey Samuel, I wouldn’t worry about it at all. Crypto miners have been using their cards 24/7 for years and they air cool. Liquid cooling is a pain to maintain. Sure, it will be 10C cooler, but I wouldn’t worry about it. These cards are designed to run non-stop. Clean the fans and possibly replace the thermal pads once a year and you’re good! Machine learning? That sounds interesting. What industry do you work in?

@@JohnLCharette Thanks for the reply John! I don't think you mentioned why liquid cooling is hard to maintain in the video. I thought for AIOs you basically just install and forget about them. Anything else to consider? I am a graduate student studying artificial intelligence :)

Oh no, sorry. I thought you meant buying the air cooled version and installing your own water block with a custom loop. If you purchased the AIO, then you’re good. No maintenance required. As I mentioned in the video, if you have room for the 240mm rad, than the Liquid X is a great choice. For you though, either solution will work. All fans will need to be cleaned. If you plan on replacing the thermal pads, I would imagine the air cooled one is easier to change. Let me know which way you decide.

Awww, I'm glad my video helped with your decision. I agree, those Aorus cards are pretty neat with the screens on them. I haven't used any 4000 series Aorus cards yet, but used a bunch of 3000 series. You won't be disappointed with a Suprim X Liquid.

@Scott, I experienced MUCH better VRAM temps with the LC version. I just reviewed footage of temps while benchmarking and the AC's VRAM topped out at 78C, where as the LC was 62C in the same test (Heaven 4.0). The max core temps were 60C in the LC and 68C with the AC version. I highly recommend the LC version if you're looking for lower temps.

@@JohnLCharette Thank you very much for your reply. I think I will buy the LC version.

@Sapca, so I actually tested this tonight and confirmed it's true. If you have all 4x8pin connectors, you can get the full 600w power, but if you only connect 3x8pin connectors, it software limits you to 450w. I'm doing by best to get more cards. Testing a 4080 Strix right now.

@@JohnLCharette Alright, thanks for the information!

​@@JohnLCharetteare you talking suprimx? Cause it doesn't go up to 600, the max power is 520 or 530 even with 4 connectors

Thank you so much! Appreciate the love.

Ha! I actually don't know anything about mice. That G-Wolf HSK Pro 4K is insanely small. Wow! You aren't the first person to recommend to review a few keyboards and mice though, so we'll see what I can find. Thanks for the suggestion!

@@JohnLCharette I'm not too far behind you, just recently discovered I like "fingertip grip" and now I'm hooked.

Googles 'fingertip grip' - interesting! Huh. Who knew! I'll have to try it out. Thanks for the update!

@B3n no problem! I got you. Are you considering either of these two cards?

@@JohnLCharette Yes it’s one or the other. I would prefer the Liquid but have a O11 Dynamic XL with SL fans so it would look strange in the case. Which would be justifiable if it blew the air version out of the water.

What about the Aorus 4090 with it's 360mm rad? You could have that shooting out the side of your case and it wouldn't look too bad. I haven't tried the Aorus, but you may be able to replace the fans with your own SLs to keep your aesthetic. Or, replace the fans on the Suprim with SLs would work too but you'd want to add an additional 120mm so that it looks like it's taking up the full 360mm.

@@JohnLCharette From what I’ve seen the MSI slightly beats the Aorus and even though I like them both I am slightly more of an MSI fanboy. I have 4x sets of 3 SL’s that stick together with 2 of them sandwiched on my 360 EK for my 12900k. I’m not sure how I would place the 240 in the case and it not look a little off. But I’m definitely not the kind of person to settle either so instead of getting the Aorus I would get the MSI air cooled.

Excellent choice given your situation. How do you like the EK AIO? I ordered the EK Elite 360mm on Cyber Monday. It should arrive next week. I'm excited to try it out on my next build.

Hey! Thanks for watching. An MSI 4090 Gaming X Trio arrived this morning. Stay tuned for the review and then I can compare it to the Suprim X, Suprim Liquid X and FE. I haven't found a PNY yet.

Hey! Thanks for tuning in. Of all the 4090s I've reviewed so far, the Suprim X LC was the best performing card. I just reviewed footage of temps while benchmarking and the AC's VRAM topped out at 78C, where as the LC was 62C in the same test (Heaven 4.0). But, I completely agree that a LC card is harder to resell later on. If you're like me and switch cards often. I'd stick with the 4090 FE, unless you put a water block on it, because then you're in the same boat. Tough to sell. Overall, the 4090 FE is a great card, check out my review here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rsqbo6mSltrUZo0.html I haven't tried out any 4000 series Gigabyte OC variant. As you mentioned, they haven't had great history and I tend to stay away from them. In the end, it's going to come down what type of person you are. Do you want bling? You'll want an AC card. If you're straight performance, than the Suprim X LC works really well. I have heard people complain about coil whine, which I didn't have with mine. Let me know what you end up doing. I'm curious to hear your thought process. Thanks again!

@@JohnLCharette Most likely it will come down to, temperatures, especially those RAM temperatures, acoustics and coil whine. No, I do not want bling. My PC case is a Meshify S2 and I put it on the floor, no one will look at it, and I am not that interested in RGB. I am on performance, but I am not sure I want to overclock it that much, especially since people tend to underclock them. I also want the card to not be huge, and the Liquid X helps with that, but it occupies a bigger height, cause you cannot bend the tubing that much. Still should have space in my PC without problems. I guess the GPU is really great vertically, for smaller form factors. Also is it worth it to pay 446 Euros more on it, for a minimal FPS performance increase? Actually, the difference is in thermals and acoustics. No... I don't think so. Writing that now, seeing the price diff in euros, rather than country currency really opens up my eyes. Suprim X Liquid was 2699 Euros yesterday and just came back in stock today for 2353 Euros. But Nvidia FE was 1907 euros. The issue is that I had to dropship it, and while the warranty is in my name, the address is in another country and the warranty can become difficult I guess. Most likely if there are no issues I will keep the 4090 FE. I am also not that inclined and technically savvy to put a water block on the 4090 FE, so it's either an AIO version or a air-cooled one. Will look at your 4090 FE review. But most likely as I said if there is no issue with the 4090 FE I get, and having more awareness of the price diff, I will keep the 4090 FE. You can put that price diff on getting a really good X670E motherboard or money toward a 7000X3D CPU if those get announced soon.

Very nice!! Congrats. Where do you plan on mounting the 240mm rad? What case are you using?

@@JohnLCharette Lian Li Dynamic going to change the fans around, mount AIO fans on the back, and change the fans from the back to the bottom and I'll have the GPU vertical mounted. Already have it planned out.

@@1289dude Link? for the fans? and Can we see your build?

Grats! What’s your opinion on better thermals for the GPU? Mounting the radiator to the top as exhaust or front as intake? Would there be a big difference? Is it safe to mount as exhaust?

@@Kurplode I have a Hyte Y60 Case, I mounted it on the back panel. With a 360mm Radiator for my CPU on top. So I have a double AIO Pc. I have learned though, that if you’re going to replace the fans, make sure theyre 4 pin and are at least 2200RPM . The card gets really hot. Standard 120mm may not be enough to cool it down

100% agree. From what I know, you can run your fans much slower to cool the liquid inside a radiator vs higher speed fans to remove heat from a heatsink. I often hear people talk about how silent liquid cooling builds are in general. Thanks for adding this information :)

@@JohnLCharette The fans on the radiator are far bigger in diameter (120mm) than the fans that the air coolers use which seem to be 80/100mm. I genuinely have no idea why they keep making the fans on aircooled cards so small. Probably cheaper for them.

The MSI Trio 4090 is my favourite 4090 right now. Better design than the FE, but more prone to coil whine. As for resale, I'm not sure. A lot of people enjoy the AIB cards for their design. All FEs look the same which can be boring. You really can't go wrong with either right now. Let me know how much coil whine you hear.

@@JohnLCharette I’ve never heard coil whine before. Hoping it isn’t something loud but I tend to keep all my fans on the higher side so everything stays cool longer. I paid $150 less then getting the FE msrp so I figured it could be the best bet. Thank you so much for your review and time to talk back with your audience.

Thanks for tuning in! I believe the Liquid X is quieter, but I wouldn't say by much. When I recorded this, I wasn't doing complete audio-level tests to confirm, so that's just my opinion. I highly recommend both cards, but if you have the space for the 240mm rad, go for the Liquid X. One thing to consider is the re-sellability of the Liquid X. It will be harder to re-sell vs the standard Suprim X. Not sure if that's matters or not to you.

@@JohnLCharette Thanks John. Re-sellability is not really a concern for me at this time. I've been doing more research online and I've read that, many say that while liquid-cooled GPUs are efficient for cooling, they are more maintenance-intensive compared to air-cooled variety. I've also done more research on the noise levels; and according to TechPowerUp, the noise level for the MSI RTX 4090 Suprim X is measured at 28.6 - 32.6 dBA (running at 1198 - 1466 RPM), whereas the MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X is measured at 29.0 - 32.2 dBA (running at 1105 - 1197 RPM). But at the same time, I saw that the Liquid X's RPM is slightly lower compared to the Suprim X; which really makes me wonder how (in the case of the MSI RTX 4090 Suprim X) running at a higher RPM makes a smaller noise; which just really makes the Suprim X look like a great deal. After all, unlike the Liquid X, the Suprim X has the typical characteristic 3-fan frame; just like my RTX 2070 Super Gigabyte model; despite being slightly larger.

This is great information! Thanks for sharing. My experience is that the Liquid X's fans spun slower and were less loud than the Suprim X, but I didn't actually measure. As for the maintenance of the Liquid X, there is none. It's an all-in-one sealed loop. You should never open it. If it was a custom loop, then yes, you should clean the loop every 6-12 months, but you don't have to worry about that with the Liquid X card.

Awww, it's message like this that keep me creating content. Thank you so much. I'm glad I was able to help. I really enjoyed using that card.

You'll need to confirm the exact length/thickness specs on the MSI website, but I would think you'd have a hard time fitting two Suprim X's in your system without smothering one of the cards. If you had spots for 2x240mm radiators, then you could probably fit two Suprim X Liquid's though. What's your reason for wanting two 4090s?!

@@JohnLCharette My purpose for this build is machine learning, specifically for (trying to) run large language models. Because of the size of the models, the more VRAM you have the better! I'm bought a Define7 XL and I have one of the sprimx water cooled 4090s coming to start.. But I'm *really* hoping I can squeeze another one in there later to run the bigger models!

These cards are closed-loop, so you can't replace the liquid. Most all-in-one closed-loop solutions are good for 5-7 years. It's unlike a custom loop, where you need to replace the cooling every 6-12 months. I'd bet that it will continue to outperform the air-cooled version. There are two major downsides though.. the additional room for your rad, and the re-sellability of liquid cards is harder.

It's very doable. You can easily unscrew them from the radiator. You just need to make sure to find the same power connector, if you want them powered through the GPU. Or, you can simply connect external power through your CHA or FAN header on your motherboard.

Congrats!! That's amazing. I know this is probably too late, but could work for your next one. Check out my video on how to setup Discord alerts so that you don't have to keep refreshing ;) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e8CnarKqzNGYh3k.html

@@JohnLCharette thanks, still waiting for a pci 3.0 psu before i install the card as that 4 plug dongle thing is fugly

Same! I'd love a new PSU with a dedicated 16pin connector. I was looking at the Asus Loki model but can't find the ATX version anywhere. Which brand/model are you looking to get?

@Isaac, I don't have that card anymore to check for you, but I found this video that might provide some information: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nL12fJerr7yydnU.html Hope it helps!

@@JohnLCharette Thanks man. That actually helps out a ton. You just got a new sub.

Good feedback! I will definitely create a table with that information when I create my next comparison video. Thank you very much :)

I wish I still had both cards to compare the two, but my best guess is no, they do not share the same PCB. Based on the size of the Liquid X and where the power connector is vs the tubes, I think it would be different. Why do you ask? Did you want to convert your air cooled into a liquid cooled?

im torn between the two

Yes! The Aorus Xtreme is a monster card and definitely compares to the Suprim 4090. I still haven't gotten my hands on one of those or an Asus Strix 4090. Very elusive cards, but if/when I find them, I will definitely review them. Stay tuned! What's your gut feeling between the two?

Wow, that’s amazing! Especially for Amazon. What case are you using and where did you mount the rad?

@@JohnLCharette Deepcool CL500, top mount GPU cooler. Front mount Arctic LF2 240 and another Arctic P12 pwm front and rear for a 5800x3d on MSI B550 GamingEdge WIFI. MSI A1000G

Ohh, I hadn't seen that case before. That's awesome with either front or top mount for the rad.

@eay th, I haven't found one yet but when I do, I'll post some details about it.

Yeah, I was just doing some basic testing with what I experienced. I have also read about the same VRAM problem. I didn't do a straight VRAM test, like mining that would really push it.

@@JohnLCharette maybe tear down your air cooled card if you still have it. It should not be in the 80s on the memory when gaming. MSI is not immune to crooked thermal pads or poor contact pressure. I make a point to swap thermal paste and pads on every new card I buy just in case.

I wish I still had these cards. When I bought them, I had already re-sold them to someone else so I couldn't test them for long. I usually buy cards, review them and then re-sell them as fast as I can so that I can use that money to buy more cards ;)

Yup, good call. I also don’t have room for the 240mm radiator so I would choose air cooled as well. Hope you love it.

@@billbrooke4355 Hi, I'm looking at this card as I noticed it just came on sale in my area. How have you found the noise or coil whine?

Thank you so much!!

Yeah, I have a feeling you are right. I wasn't able to overclock this one much at all.. I've heard stories of people really pushing the Suprim cards even harder than the Strix cards. When I reviewed them, they were very early.. so maybe I got a dud.

@@JohnLCharette yeah could be. I don't overclock too much, I just added +150 on the core and +150 on the memory, and it's been stable ever since.

@@JohnLCharette hello which card i should buy ? asus rog strix 4090 oc edition vs msi rtx 4090 suprim x I am so confused so please tell me which one I buy

It's an amazing card. You won't be disappointed! Thankfully, cards are in hot demand right now. If you didn't like it and want to sell it, I'm sure there are lots of people who would gladly buy it off you.

@@JohnLCharette thanks I definitely keep my👍

@@JohnLCharette btw what’s the best 4k 120hz montier am trying to wait for a new OLED,but man that Alienware nice idk if I should go Asus,or LG?

That's a great question! I haven't tried out any 4K monitors yet. I'm still using my 34" Ultrawide @ 3440x1440 resolution @ 100hz. Maybe someone else reading this may have some good suggestions for you. If I come across any 4K monitors, I will definitely review them!

@@JohnLCharette Yeah 1440p is just the sweet spot since I don’t think 4k worth it for 4090 but thanks might just get a Alienware OLED then arrive before Christmas.

I wish I knew how to fix that.. or what I was doing to cause it. That's a pretty old video. Do you mind checking a newer video to see if the audio is any better? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jrxyapRprc2peIE.html

@Sparky, yeah it can be frustrating to find cards when they first come out. I wish my channel was big enough that companies sent me cards. I've found and purchased everyone one of these cards myself for retail price using the technique I explain in one of my videos: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e8CnarKqzNGYh3k.html

@@JohnLCharette Thanks. Will look into it. Just FYI, they're now selling this card in my country for about $1000 over the MSRP...... I'd buy from the states, but I gotta deal with whether it can be shipped Int'l or not. If it's around MSRP, even with customs hit, it'd still be cheaper than what the devils are currently charging....

@Sparky - oh no, that sounds very frustrating! I'm in Canada and have had to use certain import services to get things into the country that only ship to the USA. What country do you live in?

@@JohnLCharette Japan

The air cooled version is definitely louder. Sorry I didn’t record any decibels for this video to compare. I did do a full review on each card that has much more details. Power consumption is very similar. 520w air cooled and 530w liquid cooled.

@@JohnLCharette thank You!! 👍👍👍👍

Yeah, you are completely right. The VRAM are cooled by the on-board fan vs the rad. I haven't reviewed the Aorus 360mm version and wonder when Asus will release their AIO version. Which is your favourite?

Which AIO? Definitely the MSI. I'd get the 360. But I fear it may conflict with the 360 CPU AIO I already have at the top of my case. But, yeah, digging that MSI style.

As far as I know, the only other company to create an AIO 4090 is Gigabyte with their Aorus Waterforce card here: www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N4090AORUSX-W-24GD-rev-10#kf

Very nice! Congrats. I have seen the prices on the Suprim 4090 cards start to lower a bit this week. What care were you upgrading from?

@@JohnLCharette 5700XT. So it's a bit of a jump. Main problem was i got it through an auction so i was very confused as to why it was so cheap. Got it in the system now though. It OC's like a dream. No coil whine. Card's immaculate. Must have just been a display piece of a store going under I assume as the box was scuffed.

Oh wow, that's awesome that there's no coil whine either. And I agree, it's an OC monster! Sounds like you got a great deal. Enjoy!

Yeah, sorry about that. This video was from a while back and I've since added in charts into my videos. #learning Thanks for watching!

@@JohnLCharette you should redo the video, it's still relevant!

That's amazing! That's a really good deal. What case are you using and where did you mount the 240mm rad?

Ha! If I could only go back in time ;) When I created this video back in late Nov/early Dec, there weren't dedicated 12v cables yet. I ended up getting a Corsair one shortly after. I have since done another video about dedicated 12v cables here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f9alndF0ltKriWg.html and YES, I would highly recommend using one verses the adapter. It's soo ugly ;)