This is exactly our argument about shell out all at once or upgrade and enjoy over time. I can't afford $1000 at once but $400 to start and $500 or $600 over a years time plus getting to ride it during makes more sense to me. Thanks for the video, liked and subscribed.
@cvspvr Жыл бұрын
you can afford anything at once if you save your money
@mattmorrison9379 Жыл бұрын
While I agree but I've heard people say I only have 2k saved and they dont want to spend their entire stack at one outing. For some money doesent some as easy.
@MrRandoms254 Жыл бұрын
right there with you on the "plus getting to ride it during"... makes more sense to me, too. (especially considering I I've got 3 motorcycles constantly competing for funds... Woe, the love of all things two wheeled!😅😅😅)
@mynamesnotimportant69414 жыл бұрын
6:15 this is what I think makes the Schwinn better. You can get it and ride it as is, and costs only $400, but you can upgrade it, vs. The Vitus you're down $750 right off the bat, and for us poor folk, that's a big deal
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Yeah tough call for sure. Either way you're on a bike so win win!
@adrianramos26894 жыл бұрын
For me the point is learn how to fix and maintenance the bike at the same time we upgrade the bike i start with an AlComp($178.new from Walmart...now $585 with some upgrades).
@hobojoe44944 жыл бұрын
Well it is more of an aggressive frame which is almost always gonna cost more
@djp2794 жыл бұрын
Trek Marlin 4 is only like $75 more without discounts ($430 on sale right now near me)... I just picked up a specialized Rockhopper for $399 on specialized's site. The bike was also assembled properly by a mechanic at my LBS. Not a shelf stocker. If I wanted to sell the bike because its not for me I'm sure I could get more of my money back, good luck trying to sell a used Walmart Schwinn for $250-$300
@sebastianjost4 жыл бұрын
I had a 600$ Focus MTB for the last four years (bought it for 400$ on sale) Since about a year I really wanted a dropper post but that frame didn't allow for it. The seat tube was too high and there weren't any holes for an internal one. Also upgrading components would have been more expensive than a new bike. That's why I sold that bike... upgrading was either not possible or not worth it and that's what I think is great about the Schwinn. The frame is ready for almost all the modern components.
@Panslapper4 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Can’t beat a dedicated home build! Hunting for parts, finding bargains, building piece by piece. Truly a pleasure.
@bananasstuff33444 жыл бұрын
shame the geometry will be the exact opposite...
@Voidclown.4 жыл бұрын
Vitus has through axles instant win even with the tektro brakes.
@radostinyanchev63034 жыл бұрын
TektroBrakes are not bad at all! I use them for 4 years on my bike...works fine
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Great point
@dermax_hd4 жыл бұрын
Yep tekro are decent and so are those mt200. Nothing more or less they're both decent
@tavojuarez19874 жыл бұрын
@@radostinyanchev6303 i have a bike with tektro brakes and another with sram guide R, idk if is cause the brake pads on the sram guides are bad, but my tektro have great stopping power, 2 years with them and no problems, I fully recomend those brakes
@radostinyanchev63034 жыл бұрын
@@tavojuarez1987 i think you feel differents between steel and organic pads....i personally dont like organic...when your service comes and you need to change your pads - go for steel if your brake disks are comfortable
@sixty26124 жыл бұрын
I would emphasize more the fact that the Schwinn doesn’t have different sizes to choose from. That limits it for a TON of people, and over the years Ive found how important bike fit is.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's a non starter for a lot of people unfortunately.
@3473jeep4 жыл бұрын
@@mtbsavant5414 I'm 5'10" , 200lbs do I fit the axum
@R53.charlie4 жыл бұрын
Billy joe he said anyone over 5ft 9in
@mtbboy19934 жыл бұрын
Yea very important, for me geometry is to, but I got an enduro bike it's far higher price class, but geometry, size suits my needs. 515mm reach on Large, I am 181cm, pretty average size, lovely climber and descender. Not cheap, but it was worth it, and I know I am going to keep riding, I love it, it's an long term investment. No more hardtails to abuse my back atleast not for mtb.
@spekerz8753 жыл бұрын
The new dropper post version does have sizes and colors...
@AbrahamBarberi3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I bought a new entry level Specialized Rockhopper For $500 dollars. I found out that it has the same frame as the $1,400 top of the line Rockhopper. So, I began to upgrade it and I am loving the process because I am getting the parts that I like. I already upgraded the pedals, brakes, crankset, cassette, and derailer. My next upgrade will be the fork. So far I have spent altogether $900 and I like it better than the $1,400 Rockhopper.
@carrickdubya47652 жыл бұрын
2022 and now cheapest Rockhopper is $700 - lol
@daily_dose_of_nothingness2 жыл бұрын
I bought Cube AIM 2020 entry for 450 euros and i upgraded to 3x9 with Raidon fork for 500 euros and also i have sold the factory parts so the bike cost me 750 euros and the expensive have the same frame but much expensive.
@bluemootang32393 ай бұрын
Idk, something is just really satisfying to me about getting a new bike, and putting new better parts on it, the feeling of "wow, this feels so much better than the other ones did" and after awhile the connection that you have to that cheap bike is the kinda connection that's just like "look how far you've come from what you used to be, it's amazing"
@joelkaplan14104 жыл бұрын
After researching for over a month in July of 2019 I purchased a Giant Talon 2 (2x system). This was by far the best bike available for my price range. Got it from one of the local bike shops and I could not be happier. As many know Giant makes the frames for many brands. The L sizing works well as I am 6’3” 220lbs. I am still a novice and have frequent pedal strikes, crashes, etc as I often try new (stupid) things. The bike has held up very well. One great feature is the mount for the front derailer has a welded anchor point and not a screwed in plastic/metal strap that fits around the frame. When you crash as much as I do it helps. I Weighed many factors when selecting and looked at bikes from retail outlets (all too small) and every bike shop in the area and compared components. There in fact was a Schwinn that looked tempting but the size was a problem. Same with the GT at Dicks. I also came to want a 2x system. Thus the Talon 2 had the best components in my price range. Many bike shops did not have bikes my size and I was being forced to buy the bike to get it to the shop to see how it fit. Hillsboro Bicycle Center in Deerfield Beach FL. (where I am now a regular) had multiple sizes, brands etc. I have since purchased a Liv Bliss for one of my daughters and 3 of my friends each bought Talons.
@BryantStilwell4 жыл бұрын
I went in to buy that exact bike a year ago, and walked out with a Rocky Mountain Soul 10. It was a similar story, but the components, tapered head tube and 1x drivetrain sold me on the Rocky. I've since added a dropper, put a 10speed GX shifter and derailleur with a sunrace cassette. Put my factory tires from my Alititude on it, and next upgrade will be the fork. It's a solid little hardtail, I mainly use it to lend to others and get them into the sport lol. That giant you have is a solid choice, glad you enjoy it.
@UpcomingChris4 жыл бұрын
Just FYI, The Nucleus VRS does have a clutch derailleur, mine turned up the other day, it's amazing.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Yes it does! Good call
@gulfcitynd4 жыл бұрын
I would think that if your going to buy it online maybe it might be a good idea to have the local bike shop assemble and give it a safety check
@UpcomingChris4 жыл бұрын
@@gulfcitynd Yeah, mine came from Wiggle, was set up lovely
@marcuslinton3104 жыл бұрын
I've had a Vitus for a season now. Freehub cassette body just broke and trying to get warranty replacement is practically impossible. Maybe that's due to the Covid situation, but doesn't really feel like it. The ahole rep said that a freehub issue is likely due to maintenance issue. They finally suggest I send the entire rear wheel back so they can examine it. Yeah.. I will have to pay to send it back and than THEY will assess whether or not it's a warranty issue and reimburse me and ship the back the fixed wheel. The freehub cassette is likely a $20 part for them where as shipping the wheel back and forth will cost way more and take WAY too long. I said F em and ordered the hub myself. I figure this is their little scam to not honor warranties by making the process difficult. so.. already trying to pass the buck suggesting it's maint. issue and making it difficult by demanding the entire wheel go back. So... yes... buy a Vitus, overall good bang for the buck. BUT DO NOT COUNT ON THE WARRANTY!
@marcuslinton3104 жыл бұрын
As of right now and many emails of pushing them, they said they didn't carry the part I need and gave me a link where to buy it and they would refund me the purchase price. I had already bought a replacement off Amazon 5 days ago so I sent them that receipt. It's only been as of this morning and not seen the refund yet, we'll see what happens.
@cirrus87914 жыл бұрын
A plus for the Schwinn - all those components you took off have a resale value!
@MB-jz3uu3 жыл бұрын
Good point
@Adroit19112 жыл бұрын
As a dad that knows a thing or too about taking things apart and making them both objectively and subjectively better, and wanting to pass that skill onto my kids. Buying a bike like the Schwinn with my oldest and upgrading/customizing it with her is definitely the way to go.
@Staindsoul4life4 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video! Thanks so much for putting things into perspective. Pay as you go is perfect (and way more reasonable) for a noob dad/mountain biker. Diapers can put a damper on shelling out all that money up-front. 😂
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Another factor - technology and value of the components get better over time :)
@bananasstuff33444 жыл бұрын
geometry is my one word on this bike. the fit won't work for everyone and even if it 'fits' the geometry is going to make it 'interesting'
@CaliradoKid4 жыл бұрын
Great video man! It's actually pretty interesting to see what you can do with lower end bikes. How often do we all get asked from friends who know nothing about the sport what bike to buy. You KNOW they're not ready to drop $5000 on a bike. It's good to see there are solid low end options out there! Not to mention it's usually 80% rider and 20% bike. Or wait...is it 90% rider and 10% bike? Ok. I'm making up numbers to sound smart now. Nevermind. 😂
@marleybrown45544 жыл бұрын
Would buy this bike in a heartbeat if they sold a 16’-17’ frame and 27.5 rims on it
@janeblogs3244 жыл бұрын
I'd love a 16 foot frame too
@vagabond-yj8pn4 жыл бұрын
jane blogs Right you won’t need any drone shoots.
@vagabond-yj8pn4 жыл бұрын
Marley Brown That’s what she said.🙋🏼♀️
@AdrianButler864 жыл бұрын
So its safe to say that at 5 ft 6 to 5 ft 7 that the Axum would be to big of a big for me?
@Fister_of_Muppets4 жыл бұрын
Splitting the difference would be the Schwinn Al Comp (2020 v2) which is 27.5" tires with a slightly larger frame, but also comes in significantly cheaper but still with great features and more room for upgrades down the line.
@johnforster53124 жыл бұрын
I think about it the same way as many people think about modifying cars. Sure you can drop bulk $ on a fast car straight off the lot but there's a sense of achievement and ownership when you buy a run down beater, fix it, modify it, improve it and make it your own. Plus you learn a lot of skills along the way. Same with bikes: sure, you can buy a Trek, Marlin or Vitus and go riding. But the price of bikes is what holds a lot of people back from getting into the sport. This shows that you can buy a cheap (er) bike, hit the trails and as your skills improve, you can upgrade it. Along the way, you learn more about maintaining your bike and you make it a unique bike! Love the vid and hope to see more on this!
@EvansMTBSaga3 жыл бұрын
Hey James! I saw you recently subscribed to my channel, which is super awesome because it was this video that gave me the inspiration to start my channel last year. It's been quite the journey to get where I am, and a lot of my start was because you paved the way with this video and other Axum videos you did.
@mtbsavant54143 жыл бұрын
Right on man! Your content is great keep up the work
@bora01vr64 жыл бұрын
Vitus nucleus, add a dropper and you’re done. Already comes with nice tires, geo brakes etc... 15thru axle upfront
@marcuslinton3104 жыл бұрын
I've had a Vitus for a season now. Freehub cassette body just broke and trying to get warranty replacement is practically impossible. Maybe that's due to the Covid situation, but doesn't really feel like it. The ahole rep said that a freehub issue is likely due to maintenance issue. They finally suggest I send the entire rear wheel back so they can examine it. Yeah.. I will have to pay to send it back and than THEY will assess whether or not it's a warranty issue and reimburse me and ship the back the fixed wheel. The freehub cassette is likely a $20 part for them where as shipping the wheel back and forth will cost way more and take WAY too long. I said F em and ordered the hub myself. I figure this is their little scam to not honor warranties by making the process difficult. so.. already trying to pass the buck suggesting it's maint. issue and making it difficult by demanding the entire wheel go back. So... yes... buy a Vitus, overall good bang for the buck. BUT DO NOT COUNT ON THE WARRANTY!
@bora01vr64 жыл бұрын
@@marcuslinton310 sorry about your experiance man, my nukeproof has been nothing but reliable two years later. Yea its a trade off for sure going online and warranty. As long as my frame doesnt crack im fine buying replacment parts. That being almost all the other components arent even made by them just the bars/stem/grips and thats it. The wheelset is just a rebranded WTB one
@mtbboy19934 жыл бұрын
@@bora01vr6 yea, then might be good idea to contact wtb if crc is making it tricky
@marcuslinton3104 жыл бұрын
@@mtbboy1993 As of right now and many emails of pushing them, they said they didn't carry the part I need and gave me a link where to buy it and they would refund me the purchase price. I had already bought a replacement off Amazon 5 days ago so I sent them that receipt. It's only been as of this morning and not seen the refund yet, we'll see what happens.
@thebudgetpcgamer61444 жыл бұрын
Marcus Linton I really doubt Schwinn is going to take care of you any better
@dwwo814 жыл бұрын
I've had this bike a month. Only pedals and grips upgraded. I like the feel of this bike way better than the marlin 5 I bought for my son. I can't get any of my buddies that have better bikes to even try the axum they say it will break. I feel confident in the axum at this point!
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Right on!
@c.brown76254 жыл бұрын
I have really enjoyed the videos you have put together about this bike. Liked your comments about upgrading as you go and encouraging people to get out and ride, no matter what you are on. Keep the videos coming! You are definitely winning fans by having a healthy mix of low budget and high end bikes. I think your channel is only going to get more popular.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Thank you comments like this keep me going!
@dapperdal1362 Жыл бұрын
Love this video! Very informative, I just picked up the Axum on clearance for $228!!
@Digital_Gangster4 жыл бұрын
Nailed it with this video, great comparisons.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it
@TrailFeatures4 жыл бұрын
Budget is the new Yeti. ;P
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
It's the bike for Dentist....assistants ;)
@matrixracing82684 жыл бұрын
Can I have The Link For The Yeti?
@MrNightpwner4 жыл бұрын
@@matrixracing8268 link for free teeth cleaning?
@matrixracing82684 жыл бұрын
@@MrNightpwner I Was Talking About Yeti Bikes
@adrianramos26894 жыл бұрын
Budget and good times with family and friends in the trails.
@MTBFreeks4 жыл бұрын
Love the underdog so I have been watching and following along on this build even though I'm a bike snob makes me wanna go build a Walmart bike lol
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
I'm a recovering bike snob as well! lol
@johannlopez45244 жыл бұрын
I have a got a schwinn volare 1200 road bike brand new on sale for $128 around 6 months ago. I was my first decent and upgradeable (can change out fork) bike, and I've had a blast working on it. Being upgradeable and looking for parts really helped me learn about bikes and the different parts. If you're interested in bikes, diy projects, and have a lot of time, buying a cheap schwinn or other bigbox bike (I like the channel "kevcentral" to see which ones fit my needs and budget) and upgrading the parts with the money you saved is a better option than throwing down money on day one. Also, if you're new to working on bikes, getting it properly tuned up at a bike shop is recommended to make sure it's properly assembled and safe to ride on.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Once you swap a component and feel the gratification after, that bikes becomes a part of you and $$ stops mattering lol
@LukasEkers4 жыл бұрын
Worth also keeping in mind that the vitus has nicer stem, bars, crankset, bigger gear range and most importantly, a thruaxle instead of the 9mm QR axle.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
True, the spacing on the Schwinn is boost at least and several hub brands (i9, hope, dt dwiss, spank) offer cheap end caps to fit a QR.
@brucedavidson74224 жыл бұрын
"if the US military were to design a derailleur" so what you're saying is, it's garbage?
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
lmao. Built like a tank, for better or worse
@acoffeewithsatan4 жыл бұрын
With this derraileur, you'll challenge your mate to a downhill run, lag behind because of it, decide it's better to quit halfway into the trail and call it a tie. By this time, the derailleur have already costed a few billion dollars to develop, so you decide it's better to invest on a new company to come up with a new design from the ground up.
@Fister_of_Muppets4 жыл бұрын
He's saying it would be a generic $3000 item 😂
@r.carter83784 жыл бұрын
Lowest bidder for days! "merica
@eoinpkav1524 жыл бұрын
@@r.carter8378 That's not how it works lmao
@TheDuds334 жыл бұрын
Great video! Loved your breakdown of the Trek, Giant and Vitus vs Schwinn.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Thnx!
@toooldfortwowheels20484 жыл бұрын
I sold my Orange Five last year while I decided what other full suspension to buy for this season. I’ve been riding. Trek Roscoe 7, it was great and did the job. I’ve upgraded it heavily since but it was an amazing base. Now has Hope wheels, Hope bakes, DVO forks and Burgtec cockpit 👌🏻
@17even Жыл бұрын
Trying to decide between the Marlin 8 or Roscoe 7. Love the look and feel of the Roscoe but hate the heavier cost.
@TJ4542TJ4 жыл бұрын
This video is great, I wish I saw it before I got my bike. I ended up getting a 2020 Trek Marlin 5 after doing what I thought was enough research but now I'm stuck with a bike that has a 3x drivetrain and no upgradeability whatsoever other than the tires. Do your research folks!
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Please don't feel bad and ride what you got!!
@bobby260503 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure its just as customizable. Just that parts aren't cheap. You can convert to a 1x setup.
@kumich53 жыл бұрын
I have Marlin 5 also, bought it in June and I have upgraded the entire drivetrain to XT 2x10 after destroying the original one. Granted, I drove it like crazy - about 1200 miles in 2 months. And last week I changed the brakes entirely and upgraded to Shimano MT400. The bike was 500 USD on sale and upgrades cost me additional 450 (a friend has a bike shop so I got parts for cheap). The point is, it is upgradeable :) The main downside of this bike is that it cannot fit tapered forks. Wish I knew the implications of that, but you live and learn
@Morpheas0013 жыл бұрын
@@kumich5 I think those headsets are zs44, which means you can still run a tapered fork with a different headset lower
@kumich53 жыл бұрын
@@Morpheas001 Did not know that, thank you for information. Today I purchased RockShox Recon Silver RL 29" Solo Air with 120 mm travel. Found a new OEM version with straight tube for only 160 USD
@twescher4 жыл бұрын
Concise, informative channel. Well done! Subbed
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@adamf.85644 жыл бұрын
I have a Cannondale trail 4 that I got years ago (sweet matte black/white color combo) and its double butted aluminum and the only thing I have not upgraded on it yet is the bottom bracket. I did make it a sweet 1x11 Shimano Shadow derailleur and XT brakes and raceface components and it is probably the sweetest ride ever! Also got the Fox 36 Float Performance Etite GRIP2 with 160mm. Again this is a hard tail:) and its called the most aggressive and BEST looking hard tail ever! BTW Nice video :).
@dylandualsport14624 жыл бұрын
A clutch and a dropper seat post is Absolutley amazing. Not even kidding.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Werd
@mynamesnotimportant69414 жыл бұрын
6:46 that's new. I like it!
@SzeryfUSA4 жыл бұрын
I just bought Axum partially thanks to your videos. I'm just getting back into MTB and agree that its easier to slowly spend money on upgrades than fork out several hundreds more at once. It also allows me to learn how to work on the bike. I live close to Lake Tahoe area...what tires would you recommend for overall high sierra moderate trail riding?
@adrianramos26894 жыл бұрын
Check the continental mountain king (REI.com got those from 39.99 in 27.93 free shipping)
@ryanp39074 жыл бұрын
When you upgrade, you might want to consider a nicer but used fork like a rockshox pike.
@adrianramos26894 жыл бұрын
@@ryanp3907 You can buy a NEW Suntour Epixon 80 to 140mm Air + oil close cartridge with remote lock for $175, i did the research to compare with Rockshock and the Epixon wins for simplicity(maintenance and parts,i used to ride Rockshock).✌
@SzeryfUSA4 жыл бұрын
@@adrianramos2689 do you have a link you could share?
@adrianramos26894 жыл бұрын
@@SzeryfUSA This is the item number for eBay:202543918485
@downtoridemtb4 жыл бұрын
Great job breaking it all down. I had a Nucleus and really liked it. Only sold it to fund my full suspension bike for my old man lower back. Anyway, I’d give the win to the Axum for anyone who wants to spend less up front and likes getting their hands dirty, tinkering and learning about bike parts. But if you just want to buy a bike and ride, get the Nucleus.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
There's just something satisfying about working on your own bike
@wagerxop57382 жыл бұрын
Upgrading is the best way to make your bike feel better I first bought a normal budget MTB in childhood then after I grew up a bit I started upgrading from its stem to the drivetrain and other parts were replaced with expensive components and at last changed the whole geometry of bike by replacing the frame with a new one the bike originally costed around $200 now this custom built machine costs like $3500 and it's worth it you can go with upgrading frame if you feel your bike is not good enough
@Nicoya4 жыл бұрын
Could throw the Diamondback Hook into the comparison mix.
@johnnyrc93044 жыл бұрын
The Hook immediately came to my mind as well. MSRP is $700, and looks like all it would really need is a dropper post.
@TEAMLSM4 жыл бұрын
Yep I got lucky and found a used one for 250 I added a dropper post and new maxxis tires, it’s a ripper Forsure slowly gonna upgrade as I progress haha
@peterhowe55744 жыл бұрын
Nicoya should also throw in avanti competitor
@FelixT3703 жыл бұрын
They aren’t that good at spec for price
@michaelmosley13854 жыл бұрын
I up graded mine with a 1500 watt hub motor
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Brap!
@Runescape1234510 ай бұрын
Personally, the reason I am choosing to upgrade a cheapish 'walmart' bike over buying something new is multifold: 1) I'm preventing (yet another!) bike from going into the garbage needlessly. 2) Working on it and upgrading it myself lets me get in touch with it and understand how it works 3) It's really a beautiful bike and I haven't seen similar elsewhere--there are leather accents all over (including the chainguard! and jacquard-like patterns on the wheel skirt to match. 4) I think it'd be better to find what I need and customize from there rather than pay a huge sum of money up front for something I'm only planning on using casually as a stealth ebike.
@cfgosnell4 жыл бұрын
Agreed with your assessment. I had been riding a borrowed Giant 27.5" Talon 2. Nice bike, nice forks, but I wanted a 29 and I wanted a 1X drive. I didn't want to spend $750 right away on the Talon 29. So I bought the AXUM 29. Its fairly light, the welds look well done. I would replace the brakes right away they squeal like crazy and seem to require a lot of pressure, and then replace the fork as needed later when you get more aggressive. The tires seem really wide, but the bike is not slow on hard surfaces as I expected.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
An Axum with an air fork, shimano brakes and Microshift advent X for $679 would FLY off the shelves.
@maximusbarrett34014 жыл бұрын
I own a Marlin 7 and I've taken it down hill, down stars and drops and it feels flawless and would definitely out preform the others.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Thnx for sharing
@joeneil95644 жыл бұрын
I’m thinking of buying one what do you rate it out of 10 and did you upgrade the wheels
@skandy68474 жыл бұрын
@@joeneil9564 well, I can't vouch for the 7 but I own a Marlin 6 2020 and it's probably an 9, I don't really have any "problems" with it, just that I can't give it a 10 because it doesn't ALWAYS feel smooth, but you really get what you pay for, it's biggest advantage being the frame, it's an absolutely amazing frame for the amount you pay
@mustardtoast83284 жыл бұрын
@@skandy6847 how about the marlin 5?
@skandy68474 жыл бұрын
@@mustardtoast8328 well it's pretty good, but the drivetrain is MUCH worse, this I know because my friend has one
@judebronner95204 жыл бұрын
Vitus all the way! I’ve had one for a while now and it’s great
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Right on, glad you're enjoying it!
@Mr.P.Griffith4 жыл бұрын
I started with the 2019 marlin 5 and pretty much have it decked out. Over the 2019 riding season I found bargains on a stealth dropper, shwalbe tires, a reba duel air fork, and I'm about to install a 1x12 11 to 50t. After the 1x it's ready to compete with anyone in my fitness category, which is "enthusiastic noob" .. I was initially very unhappy with the m5 but once I changed the fork and tires, it became a new (and safe) bike. Everything else is just gravy. I spent half of what my bike would cost if it came stock like it is. And i learnt how to do everything on my own. Can't beat that. Plus I didn't have $1000 cad to drop on the m7. I'm glad I didnt cuz i would've replaced everything i did on the m5...
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
That's what it's all about right there.
@Doo_XRS4 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I’m doing right now. I was going to get the marlin 7 but instead I’m saving the couple hundred and getting the m5 and putting an air fork on it right from the start.
@Mr.P.Griffith4 жыл бұрын
@@Doo_XRS yeah any air fork will be better than a cheap coil. The weight reduction alone is a major advantage.
@jondonnelly48314 жыл бұрын
many of these upgrade ideas would also be upgrades to my 2.5k focus raven. Better fork, better brakes, dropper seatpost, chainstay protector. Yup need them all
@gibsonf064 жыл бұрын
i have a 2019 trek marlin 7 and i love it, i’m looking at upgrading it with a fox fork, box two drivetrain, one bye chainring, and ks lev dropper
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Wow that bike is gonna shred!
@dennisosmundsen70774 жыл бұрын
I am also doing the same thing
@projectsandstuff48344 жыл бұрын
I have the 2020 Marlin 7 and love it, I wish I had the money for those upgrades! I am enjoying it much more with a dropper post installed though
@AlexanderBallot4 жыл бұрын
A few months ago I picked up a new Marlin 7. I love it, but I’m not a hugely serious mountain biker. What kind of upgrades do you think would be sensible for the bike that wouldn’t cost as much as like a new Trek Roscoe?
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
@@AlexanderBallot I'd continue to ride it stock and see what if anything holds you back. I'm guessing the fork and tires are an obvious starting place IF you ride on anything chunky.
@KatoJari4 жыл бұрын
what about the diamondback "hook" or "line" ? as a comparison for the prices
@TEAMLSM4 жыл бұрын
pumpkinheadbmx I picked up a used hook for 250 just added new maxxis tires and and a dropper post and it’s a really good bike only downside is it’s a non tapered headtube
@alvinmc55934 жыл бұрын
they are trash..just the brand name...
@FelixT3703 жыл бұрын
Overpriced
@reiffy763 жыл бұрын
What's their next bike, "sinker"?
@JustAGlitchFL3 жыл бұрын
@@reiffy76 I feel like I might get r/whooshed, but yes, the Sync'r is their mid tier hardtail.
@mvanalst20034 жыл бұрын
This could be my favorite video of yours so far. Thank you for creating it and giving us such entertainment with actual thought-provoking knowledge.
@gg_23154 жыл бұрын
I got a slights used giant talon 2 for $400 and I have zero complaints so far it’s been able to handle everything I throw at it. The tubless tire have been a life saver.
@ericperry724 жыл бұрын
Would love to see you do a review on the fat tire bike from Costco, the Northrock XC00.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Not sure if it's available in my area
@promiscuouscrab40404 жыл бұрын
I was going to buy one, but now it looks like it’s not on Costco’s website anymore. Has really good reviews for a cheap fat bike.
@dustybikes864 жыл бұрын
with fat bikes, the rims are very important, considering you couldn't buy a set of "good" rims for the price of the mongoose dolomite you can pretty much determine those bikes are not going to be a good investment. Ive seen a few come through my shop, cracked rims and rust are very common with them not to mention everything on them is the cheapest possible part they could find. if you want to get into a fatbike companies like Reid are making decent value driven bikes that will be reliable.
@playgroundchooser4 жыл бұрын
I love to fiddle. Schwinn for me 😂
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
I'm a fiddler too lol
@jackhawez103 жыл бұрын
Im a diddler
@ThornleighThunderU3 жыл бұрын
Love your work. Although my main steed is a Reign Advanced 0, my backup is a cheapie Kmart Everest. Steel frame and the world's crapiest components. But honestly I've had a lot of fun tinkering with this thing, mostly used or swapped parts (to the point theres no not much original bike left), and just not taking it too seriously and the look on peoples face when you keep on with them on a black trail is priceless. Too many channels talk about entry level with ridiculously expensive, but the grass roots is where the real fun & reward is. Keep it up.
@lanyouree85324 жыл бұрын
It really isn’t about whether it’s better to buy a bike that’s already built up , at least for me it is great fun to see how good I can make a bike. Practice my mechanical skills and is fun as well. I’ve managed to turn a $400 bike into a $1400 bike on many occasions with no regrets. I never plan on recovering the upgrade total cost but it gives me a bit of pride to see the potential of some big box bikes.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Yeah there's an underdog element upgrading that's sooo satisfying
@MrHunterseeker4 жыл бұрын
The Trek Marlins and the other entry level bikes shown here all win in my opinion just for the fact of being able to choose frame size and the Lifetime warranty on the frame and the Warranties on all the parts. If you don't need the warranty's and can fit the bike that Wal Mart sells, then yes, that Schwinn is awesome and I agree with the video. Don't let the bike snobs in the community sway you from getting a great deal (these new Schwinns are) With how these new Schwinns are being made and how the companies in the US that actually make their bikes in the US (Guerilla Gravity) and charge the same price for true US quality as we get for unregulated crap from China I think we are going to start seeing some real competition in the next few years where the consumer is going to see some savings. Heck we might even start seeing some of these Chinesium bikes from the big name companies actually start selling for what they truly are worth (less than a thousand bucks instead of $5,000 to $10,000 for something that cost these companies $800 to build and ship to the US.
@s14tat4 жыл бұрын
I always feel the lifetime warranty on the frame argument is pointless on such a entry level bike. No newbie is going to push those bikes that hard to actually break the frame without serious risk of personal injury. Also if you do end up doing a 5-8 foot Huck to flat and they examine the frame, they would void the warranty anyway because you are using the bike beyond it's intended use. Entry level bikes are only good for a gateway for people to get into the sport and nothing more. So yeah if you can fit on a Schwinn, get the Schwinn all day everyday.
@oklahotb32174 жыл бұрын
Just an fyi, schwinn has lifetime warranty on the frame as well
@wmendez34 жыл бұрын
I was just looking to buy a bike this weekend. I’m a first time rider. My research revealed that the giant talon 3 is the best bang for the buck. I found one for 475 brand new out the door. I planned on upgrading parts if I enjoyed riding that much. Would I be better suited to upgrade the Schwinn over time or the giant talon 3. 475 on the giant looks like a good deal. Please help me out. I’m a new subscriber too. Great video.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
You can't go wrong either way and there's plenty of upgrade options for the talon which is a good bike.
@wmendez34 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the quick reply. One last question. I’m such a noob. 2013 Giant talon 0 29er or the 2020 giant talon 3 29er. The 2013 I can buy for 400. The giant 3 for 450.
@markc95244 жыл бұрын
Hiya william . sorry to jump on this in my opinion the 2013 talon 0 is still a higher spec than the 2020 talon 3 . on the down side some components X5 rear deralier ect are becoming harder to find replacments . just for back ground i work for a uk giant concept store as head technician . with that in mind we have to get all parts from official distributor
@wmendez34 жыл бұрын
Mark c wow. Who better to ask than u!!! Thanks so much for chiming in but I’m still a little on the fence. Lol. If u had to pick one. Which would u go with?
@lilchikin51644 жыл бұрын
try looking at the trek marlin 5 it’s a a top of the line entry level for 550
@jamescruz38594 жыл бұрын
Was waiting for this type of video to compare the axum before I buy. Thanks man!
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@kodywilliams74622 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for this video I bought the Schwinn today I plan to upgrade forks in two weeks breaks in 4 weeks so on until it's done! I think your video was absolutely helpful!!!!
@kkingquad4 жыл бұрын
So an upgraded Walmart bike is better than my Trek Marlin?!😢
@neongenji09224 жыл бұрын
depends i heave the trek marlin 7 and i think its pretty good
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Just different
@marcuslinton3104 жыл бұрын
If you replace it with better parts it could be, but it will also be more money.
@YourMom-vl2sp4 жыл бұрын
You just spent an extra $200 on the name Trek.
@marcuslinton3104 жыл бұрын
@@YourMom-vl2sp That's not true. The cheapest Marlin is $549 and there is no way it's only valued at $349. You can't self build those bikes even at $549.
@themrsaturn1104 жыл бұрын
So what about the same upgrades on the new schwinn taff?
@robertsilva504120 күн бұрын
Schwinn is a great bike overall. Yes... They do, come in different sizes. I'm 6'2" and need the 19" the medium frame, is the most common up to 5'8"😊
@tracymcmanus5504 жыл бұрын
You left out some other cost factors for a noob who would buy this with thoughts to upgrade later. Most noobs will not have the tools to make the changes as they go along. Many who are not mechanically inclined will have to take it to a shop to get it set up right. This is a great way to get into the sport if you love to work on stuff like this though. Thanks for the video
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Yeah I totally glossed over the labor aspect to the cost, which is significant for those not mechanically inclined. The value prop definitely drops there
@Ken-jc6rv4 жыл бұрын
@Tracy McManus Isn't that why they say choose your friends wisely? lol
@SynchroFPS4 жыл бұрын
yeah hea im 5 10 lets go im bouta cop this
@zournatzidis75894 жыл бұрын
cube analog 2020 💪🏻
@Manwichman4 жыл бұрын
Yes, buy cheap and upgrade. I do this and learn how to put the parts on myself and have a blast doing it, tweaking things, replacing and upgrading. Yes, I could get a way better bike with the amount I spend, but I put the exact parts I want on my build. I like magura and no companies come with those. That started my upgrading parts
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips!
@DS-sv9qo4 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a Specialized Rockhopper 2019 which was on sale from my local shop for $400 bucks. Waiting for it to be delivered, but I took your advice and will upgrade over time some of the parts, well probably all of them. But ride what it came with till they wear down (except the fork) :)
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
That's a steal for $400. Congrats
@brokebikemtb44484 жыл бұрын
I feel like your riding the parts and just change frames every so many years...and then you slowly go thru swapping them out to match the quality level of the frame and the cycle continues
@dgkparasite10374 жыл бұрын
I saw that miata in that garage 👀👀
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
M1 for life!
@FatGuyBiking4 жыл бұрын
Schwinn all the way for me especially when I take all the components off my upgraded Diamondback 2014 29er. This bike has a great build quality for a big box bike I know its not the same schwinn from yesteryear but my first "Real" mtb was a 95 Schwinn Moab S and maybe its the nostalgia in me but I want one definitely.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Yeah extra parts laying around only increase the value prop for sure
@gusbateman98804 жыл бұрын
Go used. Got a very good condition Octane One Prone with good parts on it for $500. It has a Fox 34, hydraulic brakes, clutch derailleur, the whole 9 yards.
@epicmtb88174 жыл бұрын
Why do you say you put an sr Suntour fork on when it is obviously a fox fork? Edit: It doesn't even look to be a qr fork, so he had to buy a new front wheel too, and wheels ain't cheap.
@mengmao4 жыл бұрын
He probably didn't like riding the suntour enough and went with something enjoyable but obviously way out of budget. Was excited to see Suntour get into Kashima coatings.
@gundamnit35944 жыл бұрын
Right? Get this fork for this bike but nahh I won't even bother riding that. I'll use a fork that's worth more then all the parts+bike I listed combined...
@alexjaramillo7994 жыл бұрын
What about comparing it to 2019 cannondale trail 6
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
A few people have asked, will need to check that out
@rafaelleyva26694 жыл бұрын
I just finished building my DH bike for the season, have quite a few spare parts I think I’m going to purchase this bike to get into the 29er seen. Great vid.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Right on!
@danielfoster55964 жыл бұрын
Picked up one of the Schwinn Taffs a week and a half ago,with the understanding that I am going to ride it the way it is and upgrade it as it breaks. Well so far I have put about 30 miles on it between a 4.5 mile gravel run and some pretty gnarly intermediate singletrack. But it is currently at my lbs getting a new freewheel installed lol. Like I said, upgrade as she breaks. Overall I am pleased with it and think it's actually going to be a great bike in the long run.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks for sharing!
@matrixracing82684 жыл бұрын
The Fork That You Shown The Epixon Isn't Boost.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
The front hub that came with the bike has 100mm spacing.
@oklahotb32174 жыл бұрын
Stock front wheel isnt boost either. Only the rear.
@jctrails4 жыл бұрын
Damn it! Your never going to send me this bike. 😢
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
I'll let you ride it when you visit lol
@jctrails4 жыл бұрын
MTB Savant I guess that will do. I can see it now. “Can JC Trails break my Axum.” Nope!
@oklahotb32174 жыл бұрын
@@jctrails just don't leave it behind the car lol... too soon? J/k man :)
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
@@oklahotb3217 Beat me to it. Way too soon lol
@jctrails4 жыл бұрын
OklahOTB ouch. Good news though new front triangle is in the mail.
@hughbeddoe3844 жыл бұрын
Nice upgrades I did the same upgrades to my 2018 Haro Double Peak Comp over a period of time now it rides like a dream
@johnchavez81974 ай бұрын
I went schwinn. Same model as yours. I got an excellent condition fox fork for 150 on market place. I spent 350 on a set of crankbrothers cobalt 11 carbon fiber wheels. The rest of my upgrades came from my parts bin, or flip bikes. I payed 350 for my axum. I have roughly 950 total invested in it, and I love it. I would not get the same quality parts if I went with a higher end bike.
@77sl33zy774 жыл бұрын
I can't even find a vitus nucleus... out of stock everywhere 🤷🏾♂️
@bananasstuff33444 жыл бұрын
they'll be in stock at some point... keep looking man! for real i feel ya tho. i'm trying to get a calibre two 3 and they are just not coming in stock in my size.
@77sl33zy774 жыл бұрын
@@bananasstuff3344 found a near new 2020 marlin 6 on offer up for half price for the time being...
@uvasif284 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on how to covert the tires to tubeless :)
@louthar4 жыл бұрын
Just got an Axum. Going to save your video for future reference! Thanks!
@followmylines4 жыл бұрын
This is a great video showing that Schwinn is really stepping up their game. The non tapered head tubes on the other bikes are deal breakers. Vitus is definitely a good contender as well!
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more!
@FrANTiXzz4 жыл бұрын
The swin is my choice!
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@plutoplatters4 жыл бұрын
I'm old enough to remember the first time i heard about a bike that cost over $300.00 and thinking .. WHAAAAAAAAAAT ???
@TheLoamCourierMTB4 жыл бұрын
Nowadays you’d look at a £300 bike thinking “whaaaat” haha, my first mtb was a halfords special Apollo xc26, thing was big heavy and unreliable, but that thing used to blasted down Glentress on a weekly basis until I moved up to my next bike which was a £400 Revolution cuilin pro, which had some naff Suntour forks but had some Tektro hydraulic brakes on there, at the time of never ridden hydro’s before so there was a lot of OTB moments getting used to the increased power, it’s funny how over time you get used to the new better gear and then you look back at what you originally thought was great and it’s just pretty bad. 😂
@RandySRT4 жыл бұрын
I just got mine on sale for 4899.00 😬
@fryloc3592 жыл бұрын
Back in the early 90's my best friend bought a new Trek (Antelope?) and I remember walking around the dealer thinking that $400 was a lot for a bike, and I'd never be able to afford one. By the time I could, I was out of bikes and into cars.
@VentureMTB4 жыл бұрын
Nice video man! I think it was smart to compare the Trek Marlin 7. I work at my local bike shop and have built dozens of the Marlins. The average person looks at the 7 and thinks that is a good beginner mountain bike. It is a nice bike don't get me wrong, but the tires, geometry, front derailleur, and lack-luster fork will let down anybody who wants to really dabble with MTB with $800 in their pocket. The paint job is sick though, and from first hand experience it is a big reason the Marlin flies of the shelves.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
The paint job does look stunning!
@kght2224 жыл бұрын
i have an ebike frame that i used for 3 years and love and is very well put together but the parts that it came with were equivalent to a 300 or 400 dollar walmart box bike. so i broke the bike down to the frame, (it is a folder with a battery compartment in the top half of the fold and a controller compartment in the bottom) then replaced the suspension front and back, new forks and a new rear suspension, still low budget but much better than coil, pneumatic suspension upgrade. bought hydraulic disc brakes (they cost more because they need a motor cutoff sensor to go to the controller), top say the least while the frame of my bike is HUGE for me at 5'6" it is that big for a reason, and i couldn't even find a differently sized version if i wanted to, and i need the folding and the internal cavities for my new much higher end bike. i bought that e-bike for $899 3 years ago, it is now 1200 bucks online. so by reusing the frame to build my new e-bike i am probably saving money. i am only sticking with the frame because it is so well built, the welds are awesome and the material is thick, i won't be afraid of breaking the frame going down the street at 50-60mph, and it should handle the 30mph i am generally going to throw at it great.
@kght2224 жыл бұрын
although i suppose i am not talking about a mountain bike but a frankenstien, i just installed the new front fork with fsa road bike internals. and i am putting touring/cruiser fenders on, and on the touring idea i am going to have the primary battery in a bag on my rack in the back, another battery in the frame to power lights, the horn, and anything else i can think up. i am building a trunk compatible motorcycle/moped that can handle 30-35mph for at least an hour and a half. trunk compatible meaning that i can throw it into a car boot by folding it and loosening the headset.
@KrankProduction4 жыл бұрын
Cmon let’s be realistic Vitus a dedicated mtb company with through axles air fork or Walmart. And a beginner does not want to upgrade the bike straight away they want to learn on a reliable bike.
@gutersteinker3 жыл бұрын
When you're poor you want to upgrade after and ride right away.
@mevszach4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video and sweet tunes at the ends, thx! Even though I don't even have Walmart in my country I still find this very interesting.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@bill40134 жыл бұрын
I bought an Axum in March. I’m new to mountain biking, and I didn’t want to dump a ton of money up front. Love the bike! I’ve made upgrades to suit my personal preference, next, and close to final upgrades are tires, and fork. I feel that I made the right choice with the Axum. All the entry level LBS bikes would have received the same or similar upgrades plus upgrading to a 1x drive train. Upgrades to date include, contact points (grips, seat, pedals), bars, chain stay protector and hydraulic brakes (MT200).
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Nice! The brakes are a game changer
@B1KER4 жыл бұрын
That was a great comparison. Really impressed with how you laid that out. Great job. Also, you surprised me with the change up in the outro!
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Thnx bud
@andrewtardieu30594 жыл бұрын
I got mine 2 days ago and threw it a beating in some trails and it held up amazingly! I’m really impressed. Got some mt200 hydraulics on the way and tossed on some rockbros pedals already as well as a better saddle and grips. Good call on the upgraded fork, I was dreading the chain reaction of having to upgrade the wheel to get into air forks
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@adrianramos26894 жыл бұрын
That fork you can ajust the travel between 80mm to 140mm,i got the Schwinn al comp with that fork ajusted to 140mm,KS 100mm dropper,carbon handlebars,ergon saddle,next move hydro brakes and a rear derailleur...(so far $585)
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Get some!
@andrewskirmontskirmont53864 жыл бұрын
Is that possible on a 2020 boundary? How do you do it?
@adrianramos26894 жыл бұрын
@@andrewskirmontskirmont5386 Not on Schwinn web page...but in KevCentral you tube channel,he do a review for the"2020 boundary" 2 months ago,check walmart.com.How i did it...searching parts on eBay or Amazon.
@andrewskirmontskirmont53864 жыл бұрын
@@adrianramos2689 I figured so what did you do to adjust it though it it an internal style?
@adrianramos26894 жыл бұрын
@@andrewskirmontskirmont5386 If you mean the dropper post ,it's external Kind Shock ETEN R 100mm($102.89 eBay)
@Asthbendriel4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't recommend upgrade the drivetrain until it dies, but if you were going to replace it, you could've added another $100 and get Box Three Prime 9, that makes the price a little stiffer but no one else is going to give you a 1x9 with 11-50 range and a dropper for that price.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Solid choice
@SpokesmanMTB4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this video - I very much enjoyed it. As a person who is about to refit an old Bontrager hardtail steel bike, this is some GREAT info!
@raykellfoster84614 жыл бұрын
Thank you !!!!!! Mine will be delivered next Monday ! And I plan on purchasing ALL these upgrades over time ! :)
@Exalted_Example2 жыл бұрын
Been planning to buy a bike for a long time now, decided to this week. This is literally the ONLY bike of videos i've seen that is not more expensive than it was when the video was made. All the others are 20-50% MORE than whenever the original video was. This bike is actually LESS. WM has the DP model now for $450. Already committed on a rockhopper for $600 though, M size with 27.5'' wheels. Don't think i will be disappointed (hopefully).
@kontrolenthusiast10994 жыл бұрын
Hey! I'm not even in the market for a MTB but thoroughly enjoyed the series on this Schwinn. The wealth of solid info and advice offered is spot on. I'm a big enthusiast of bang for the buck bargains. Current bike is a 2016 Trek FX, on road and no feature flat dirt trail. When looking for a hard-tail or full suspension bike will definitely swing back to see what you're cooking. (would opt for the Vitus or 2020 GT Avalanche Elite if buying now)
@stephdiesel21104 жыл бұрын
I come from a unique position. I purchased a 2012 FUJI Nevada about 3 years ago, just as a commuter bike with the intention to maybe hit a few trails. Fast forward to the present and I have upgraded everything on that bike except the wheels, fork (non-tapered headtube so I figured I'd wait), and seatpost (standover hight is really bad, as it was originally a cross country bike and couldn't fit a long enough dropper to make it worth the money). Ive got 780mm bars, 50mm stem, schwalbie Hans Dampf tires, shimano xt brakes, shimano slx 1x11 drivetrain, and 783/780mm rotors. The thing rips to say the least. All that said, The bike is a 26" wheel size, outdated geometry, and my skills have pushed past the original intentions for this bike so bearings and stuff are starting to go out. To me a bike like the VITUS would stand out because it also has a great frame for other upgrades like the fork, seatpost, and brakes. It also has through axles so you can upgrade to a much higher level wheelset down the road. All things considered, for a beginner, go buy the schwinn. You can find upgrades cheap enough to make it an excellent bike (I would also recommend the tires, grips, and pedals). The Vitus is great for someone with a little more experience and cash, and throw a $125 dropped post on it and you'll be rippingg! The challenge though is that Chain Reaction Cycles always seems to be out of stock, and online customer support is less than ideal.
@promiscuouscrab40404 жыл бұрын
My Vitus Nucleus gets here on Monday, so excited
@DJBEANZzROADTO1K3 жыл бұрын
Can I have it
@dermax_hd4 жыл бұрын
Right when you showed the trek I wanted you to see the nucleus so damn bad. I've been riding a vitus Sommet and I absolutely love it!
@TheDoozie434 жыл бұрын
I bought a floor model 2014 marlin SS a couple years old from my bike shop, it was in 2016 and I had issues with the stainless axle stay screws bending inside the frame and so they gave me a brand new superfly frame even up! So that ended up being my first bike afterall. Still ride it and love it even though it’s also a single speed build. Xt brakes, Chris king BB, dt Swiss wheelset, ice rotors and so on. Envy carbon bars and Reba air fork. Absolute black chainring and sram crank.
@aaronanderson55004 жыл бұрын
I was actually in the market for one of these bikes, and I've been shopping for a few weeks now. This is a fantastic theoretical comparison, but you didn't factor in availability. The Axum without the DP isn't part of the discussion right now, because it's not available. The Vitus is too, because it's sold out. Most everything is, actually. I went to five local Wal*Marts trying to get a look at the Schwinn Boundary for my wife. The local bike shops are sold out of all of their entry level stuff too. People are riding more because of the Covid Quarantine. I'm 5'8, and I went with the Axum DP. Walmart says they'll deliver it... in a month. We'll see what happens. Keep working on your Axum! I look forward to seeing your results.
@mtbsavant54144 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I knew the Vitus was out of stock but the Axum (non-DP) was fluctuating between stock and out of stock all week. Wonder if we're starting to feel the effects of supply chain shortages due to the pandemic.
@aaronanderson55004 жыл бұрын
@@mtbsavant5414 It's a combination of much higher demand and relatively minor shipping delays. The LBS said that their bikes are taking a few extra days to a week to come in, but they also said they have never seen demand like this before. School here was recently declared online only for the rest of the year, so I think parents are planning to keep their kids occupied and to spend time at home with them for the longer term. Bikes are an obvious purchase to keep everybody occupied and safe while social distancing. At every single Walmart I went to, there were multiple people on the bike aisle looking for bikes. The assemblers in the garden department are selling the bikes before they even hit the rack in many cases. It's crazy. So many people doing things outdoors with family... I hope that's part of the new normal.
@aaronanderson55004 жыл бұрын
@@mtbsavant5414 is there any update on the Box Components shifter and derailleur? I'm loving my Axum. Installed the MT200 brakes yesterday and wanting a clutched derailleur now.