"I hate being milled out". He understands the runick deck and the feeling by anybody playing against Runick.

MTG player reaction to "normal summon Alester" should be a thing

I like the archetype guessing way more than guessing individual cards.

"this deck has a lot of lines" for aleister is cosmically funny to me

"In Yu-Gi-Oh, all cards that look at your opponent's hand are banned" Triple Tactics Talents : 👀

Showing him Ice Barriers but specifically just showing him the 3 Synchro dragons and the no restriction tutor card was brutal lol. 2.5 legitimately extremely powerful extra deck monsters and an amazing tutor lol. If the rest of the archetype didn't suck the deck probably *would* have been tier 1 at some point lol. Props to him for getting it right regardless lol.

James, you forgot the most important part of Brio's errata! He used to be able to target your cards, too. Letting you not only use them as his discards for his effect, but also recycling continuous and equip spells with activation effects

This was such a cool video, and honestly proves MBT's point that MTG players are really fucking good at card evaluation, even in a vacuum. You're a really good host for this type of content too, super well-spoken.

I believe the ultimate bait of all time would be to show them Tearlaments and claim "It is no longer Tear one" because they had to ban or limit the entire fucking deck to make people stop playing it 😂

yea this is far easier for people to evaluate because with 5 cards of an archetype you basically get the context for how the deck functions. yugioh is very much an archetype/engine focused card game.

This video really made me realize how Yugioh is an MTG Johnny player's dream. Almost everything is a combo deck and deck construction is all about figuring out how archetypes interact amongst themselves and with other miscellaneous archetypes or cards from the game's legacy catalog.

I don't know about the four years, but the needing 200,000 dollars to play Yugioh is spot on!

the fact that the mtg player confusing when reading invoked mechaba is funny Just wait until he see pendulum edimyon 🤣🤣🤣

"Do you know what a field spell is? "Uh I um uh." I was flashing back to a near identical scene in GX between Syrus and Crowler.

Bit of a long post here, but as someone who started yugioh with master duel's launch, I played invoked shaddoll dogmatika as my first real deck that wasn't a starter/structure deck and oh my god I love that deck to pieces. I think it really helped me understand the game well, both in evaluating cards, having combos that weren't complicated but still rewarded situational awareness, understanding synergies between archetypes and engines, it eased me into using link monsters like the Knightmares when I had extra material on board, it had a mix of strong interactions like Construct andDogmatika Punishment, negates from Mechaba, OTK pushes from Purgatrio and Fleurdelis, and yes, floodgating from Winda. As memed as it is, I literally dont think I would be a yugioh fan today if it wasn't for Normal Summon Aleister. I will never forget what that royal rare copy I crafted did for me.

Please consider doing Vanquished Soul I would love to see a magic player try to wrap their head around the combo oriented deck that depends on revealing types, board management, and amassing resources over time

"Say the thing you want to say." That's literally what the cards do.

Lmao "I'm good with this Top 4 and I'll not play Yu-Gi-Oh again". Well done.

Reading Invocation: "I am noticing a loop" Oh boy. Oooooh boy :D

That English B.S is so true.😂. But in serious note, as non natieve English speaker, i really learned english by reading ygo cards when i was a kid. I appreciate it as a problem solving text card game that made me enjoying ygo and at same time contributed into my learning process. Then, whenever my friends asked what certain cards do, i became so excited explaining them.

Ever since you came up with this new style where you present the whole archetype at once, I have just been staring at my KZfaq feed waiting for the next episode to air. I love it! Two archetypes I’d love to see in future episodes are Mekk-Knights, and Branded. I’d love to see a magic player’s brain break trying to read World Legacy Secret 🤣

I'm sure others have said this, but this format really is better than making people guess card quality off of some random staples or worse a part of an engine with no context. By showing the surrounding cards it gives the contestant an actual chance to use their card evaluation skills.

Show MTG players Generaider please. Reading Harr and Boss stage withou any context of the game sounds so hilarious

it's a lot of fun to play metaphys against runick. Runick turns from a deck that punishes you for every card they use, into a deck that helps you with every card they use.

Sometimes, thinking about pre-errata Brionac makes me wonder if they just legitimately forgot entirely to add the once per turn

“You can only have one EMZ” Firewall Dragon is typing

Bro showing him no main deck ice barriers was fouuuuul but he got it anyway ya can’t convince anyone that ice barrier is good XD

Going from runick to ice barriers is some serious whiplash

He didn't even get to hear about the OG Brionac text which let you bounce your own cards (which at the time once-per-turn clauses weren't on nearly everything)

Tronisbased Please let him know the doggo is very cute😊😊 also glad u chosen easier archetypes this time, and maybe if you want to include Sylvans at some point I think they are so cool. I liked the ending😂 pretty epic, notgonna spoil it

I think this is more interesting than just evaluating individual cards, since decks are basically 1+ archetypes and some generic cards, this is closer to understanding how a Yu-Gi-Oh deck operates than "hey, here's Isolde, is it good?"

I know it would be a very long time to get through them but I would love to see flower cardians be used for this. They're all so long and as much as I love them, they're so beatable as soon as your opponent gets a turn after yours.

I'm loving this "archetype" rating, and please include Traptrix at some point

Ignoring the text and remembering the pictures is what we would do in OCG outside Japan until AE cards came out.

I really want to see an archetype that specializes in countering specific actions, like Exosisters or Gravekeepers with anything GY related or maybe even the barrier statues with boarder from a stun deck

3:20 Magical meltdown protects the entire next chain from the opponent activating cards and effects, it's not just from "when a monster is summoned" effects. e.g. Trap Hole.

This format is definitely a better tell of a card game players universal knowledge and skill and your explanations level the playing field for those with lesser knowledge base. Good job on refining your game show.

I think Swordsoul or Tri Brigade would be really interesting to showcase in this series. Both archetypes are still more or less self contained to the point where you can easily understand what they do, but they're also specifically designed to be the centerpiece of a tribal deck, which is a more common concept in Magic than Yugioh, and it could highlight the differences between how both games handle tribal decks

I guess another possible twist on the same basic premise is to show a deck's typical end board + X left over mystery cards in hand + opponent with 6 cards (so no interruptions in the combo) and see if they can figure out which end board goal is better.

Some other archetypes I think would be fun for guests to evaluate: Tearlaments (Can you guess its power just with 5 cards?), Dragon rulers (Not good anymore, but were feared the most), Madolche (Good bait), Sky striker (Another good bait), Mikanko (Funny win condition), Evil Eye (Seems really hard to interact with).

Loved it! As a yugioh player watching your series since the 1st episode, I was absolutely stunned with Tronisbad's understanding of the game. I loudly gasped when he got the Runick loop on his own since that's a loop that took a little longer for the general YGO community to fully grasp and make it work. I really like your new approach to this series, and you are definetly on the right track with those choices. For the next, I would like to suggest a very tricky one: Zoodiac, Unchained and Ogdoadic (showing Snake Rain). Those 3 archetypes have very "Magic The Gathering"-y energy on their gameplans, each with its own twist, and the "was tier 1" category is very muddy here because of how crazy some cards in those archetypes read. So it would make a very intersting thought process on which deck is which.

very nice to see the way you've set the show up, also giving them only 3 options where they know that each only fit one of the categories, is good, was good, was never good, is great for letting the guests actually think about the cards instead of essentially guessing. and for archetypes i would like to see people asses: F.A, spright, and Elflich

You know what could be fun? Showing a guest three archetypes from one lore story for example: Show them World Chalice, Mekk Knights and Orcust or Branded, Swordsoul and Springgans and let the guest pick up the best of the bunch or discover synergies between them.

This was a really cool style of video. Really laughed at the Mechaba is Kozilek moment

Super happy with this format!

"Karn the creator and you're toolboxing" describes a lot of decks in the 2010s lmao

Fluffal/Frightfur might be good for this I'd recommend you show them Toy Vender, Fluffal Bear, Edge Imp Sabers, Fluffal Dog, Frightfur Tiger

I love this video format and it would be cool to see archetypes that are even for YGO standards wild, like Flower Cardian for example.

I feel most timing issues in Yugioh came about because you had a group of annoying kids in tournaments who would go "Well, emm, you see, achsully, that card didn't do anything because if you look at the grammar" Eventually judges and Konami got tired of dealing with it and just standardized it just so they don't have to deal with those kinds of people anymore.

Don't know how i found your videos, but for some time now I'm always waiting for new video from you. They are so fun to watch :D Also new sub!

This is a brilliant way to do "staple or stinker." Instead of individual cards, showcasing an archetype is really clever. Love this video format and this take on it.

I really like your videos James. You are very knowledgeable about both Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic. Please continue producing this content. Best

Great stuff guessing the ice barrier archetype also I laughed when I saw medallion like yep here is the one that was never good.

I really like this change from cards to archetypes!

This format of video is pretty neat man. Always entertaining. My recommendation for decks would be, Dark World, Labyrinth and maybe Nekroz or Orcust.

I for sure love the format. There are actually a decent few cards that still look at hands. Triple Tactics as someone already pointed out is a staple that does it, but another one which I use in my Icejade/Water deck is Deep Sea Minstrel who looks at the hand and banishes one, so you can then use the Elemental Lord to discard 2 from their hand, having now removed a possible card they'd "want" to be hit, or a hand trap as may be. Some of those water cards are broken, but just don't have a great home. If Icejade just had a few more great main deck monsters like the two Angerines(Ran and the base level 3) That aside, It'd be cool to do a sorta "theme" for the archtypes you're showing. Maybe pick 3 archtypes of the same type, or attribute, or even 3 decks that have similar goals. I was rambling about Icejade there, they're a perfect "bait" deck, because they have quite a few extremely powerful singular cards, but simply not enough to make a whole deck with. the Icejade Synchro is a pretty crazy card on it's own, but rarely sees use due to that "water" limitation on it, and of course the existence of Barone. I know Marincess was good at one point, but I don't know of any "water" deck that currently is tier 1. Maybe you or someone else would know. But yeah, I'd say to try for a "theme" for the 3 decks in question.

This format is probably the best educational of its kind on the internet for newcomers and oldheads alike to learn from. You have a good thing going here so if I were you, I would keep making videos of this format

I love the idea of rating archetypes!

and we got a magic player who nailed it down perfectly. We'll make him a good yugioh player who has returned to his roots as a chaos player.

I think that one time playing Chaos Dragons in 2016 was the game changer.

I like this format, maybe next time we can have the strange decks, like barrel dragon, worm, triamid, B.E.S, ancient gears, gogogogagagagegege

This video format is much better than just showing 5 random cards. I love seeing how players from other card games think, and maybe you could do the same for YGO players with 5 MTG cards that go together as well. Props to you

You should definitely show Mecha Phantom Beasts on one of these videos, very similar to Ice Barrier in that they’ve got a couple really broken extra deck bosses, but the majority of the cards just don’t do anything, but it might be pretty easy to trick someone with them because their token generating abilities sound like huge swings in card advantage on paper.

6:13 DOGGY! Adorable!

A hilarious Archetype would be to show them the Ojama Cards in the order: Ojama Blue: Crash to search 2 Ojamagic: Draw 3 specifically named vanillas Ojamatch: Discard to search 2 and summon a monster (weird how this can discard the previous card to sesrch and summon the guy you just crashed to repeat the loop) Ojamassimilation: Banish cards from GY to summon monsters. (Usually 3 monsters from deck) Armed Dragon Catapult Cannon: Ojamatch enables the Armed Dragon half, Assimilation enables VWXYZ. A-to-Z would be a monster but I just want to see if it's possible the guesser gets baited by an effect that essentially reads "You win the game" except that you have to play upwards of 11 bricks six of which are garnets and this "auto win" wombo combo only works going second so you have to play into your opponents board.

I love this new variation on the series. Can we get thunder dragon in one of these? And then maybe Labyrinth?

Awesome episode!

Honestly i think the difference between magic and yugioh text design is that yugioh tries to be very concise and leave little to no room for interpretation, meanwhile you need secret knowledge to explain why blood moon overrides urborg, tomb of yawgmoth instead of the other way.

I almost wish you could show them more than 5 cards from each archetype, as it paints an even better picture and lets your guests figure out the scope of how an archetype is.

I like this better than single cards. As you said, it gives them context and less 'gotcha'. Recommending six-samurai, dark-world, mermail/atlantean, evil eye. Evil eye feels broken until you realize removal is easier in yugioh than magic.

The ice barrier was such bait he did good to see through it by recognizing which advantage loops worked.

i like this format a lot there's only so many staple cards you can show people before you're showing the 10th guest ashblossom

Ok, I think I came up with a good 3 decks to show off. Current Snake-Eye: Diabellestar, Original Sinful Spoils-Snake Eye, Ash, Birch, Flamberge Dragon. Former Shaddoll: Shaddoll Fusion, Shaddoll Dragon, Sinister Shadow Games, El Shaddoll Construct, El Shaddoll Winda. Never Dual Avatar: Dual Avatar Invitation, Ascendance, Kokoku, Armored Ah-Gyo, Empowered Mi-Gyo. I think these might be a tough blend to pick the best deck out of, while also highlighting some of yugioh’s more interesting rulings like Flip Effects, send for effect vs discard for cost, creating tokens etc.

I think Kashtira, Crystal Beasts, and Volcanics could be interesting for a few different archetype picks. ( I forget if they were shown already in previous videos, or how much was shown.)

I like the blue *maple leaf* in the backround ;)

I Love this series even more cause its has more modern cards and Shows better what ygo is about right now. For the next Episode i would really Love to see Centurion its very new and it has a very unique Playstyle i Just Love it

this is some of my favorite yugioh content

I was wondering if you were going to mention that, actually, Runick's draws get interrupted quite a bit, and the reason why Runick is so good isn't because it has a recursive advantage engine or because it banishes your opponent's cards, it's because its main deck cards are almost entirely Instant Fusion. Easily make Rank 2, 3, 4, 5, or even 9 monsters. Easily synchro for levels 3+. Who cares if you can't attack until turn 4-5, you can put up a board full of negates or other disruptions, AND you'll plus most of the time while doing it! (Unless you get ashed or drolled... which actually happens a lot... and since you can't play Prosperity with it unless you want to lose the advantage engine and have pathetic end boards, you NEED to hard draw the field spell or Tip, or at least hope your opponent doesn't have Ash and/or open Called By... I don't know why people complain about Runick when it's pretty easy to beat tbh. It IS still good though.)

Man we should have put little Ice Tiger boy just to say that only Gung was not banned

@30:00 we still have triple tactics talents and the virus cards but they aren’t the same as show me the hand like the old cards a little more conditional

oh wow ice barrier, the archetype with extremely good synchros but so terrible main deck monster they can barely utilize the synchros… this archetype was definitely chosen in an attempt to gaslight him in ib’s defense, their whole lore revolves around keeping these world ending dragons sealed away so it sorta makes sense they would have the hardest time even trying to utilize them in the first place and the newer ib’s support that can cheat these dragons out, lancea specifically technically isnt even an ib card since nowhere in its name can you find “ice barrier”

Centurion, Magistus and Live/Evil Twins, I would love to see at some point

i quite like this format give people more context to sus out feels fun.

I think some contender archetypes for this challenge would be: Icejade (this could be bait), Ghoti (this could also be bait), Dragon Rulers, Blackwing, Shaddoll, Shiranui (hard bait), Ninja (bait if u show them the new cards lmao), Nemleria (yet another bait), Branded, Mikanko

Should’ve introduced him to Element Saber after doing Invoked 🤣

I really like showing archetypes instead of individual cards

Also didn’t mention that Ice Barrier is getting new support that is actually incredible.

Yu-Gi-Oh, for all its flaws, understands proper English formatting.

Very cool spin on this series! Jst a suggestion to make sure the guest understands that youre only showing 5 cards of the archetype and that it is usually much larger, but what youre showing is the bare minimum core. Floo does seem underwhelming without the continuous spell for example without the context of why you would want to normal summon on your opp turn. Cheers!

Could you do engines next? Lots of archetypes or combos come and go, but I think it would be funny to include Jeff Leonard's exodia pendulum engine. You could do something like, is it being used in top decks right now, has it been used in top decks in the past, or did no top decks ever use it.

love the mono post

I find it's easier when you compare the card text to a pseudo-programming language. It makes more sense to new players and people that don't play the game when they don't frame the text in the english language, but in a way where you take logical steps to get from A to C.

I would love for you to show them the Buster / Destruction Sword archetype. It looks pretty strong on paper but has never been a tier one deck afaik. The cards to show would be: 1. Buster Blader, the Destruction Swordmaster 2. Destruction Sword Memories 3. Buster Blader, the Dragon Destroyer Swordsman 4. Prologue of the Destruction Swordsman 5. Buster Dragon Bonus Card: Dragon Buster Destruction Sword (to show a Destruction Sword monster that Buster Dragon mentioned)

showing Trishula and Brionac for Ice Barriers was some top tier bait and it's shocking he didn't fall for it

Show them Gadgets or Machinas. That's just the kind of effects MtG players go absolutely crazy for.

Well, 2 decks ive dabbled in now represent the bottom rung (i still play musket occasionally). Im already sold on the archetype style, since single cards have infinite uses in some cases. Now, if i were to reccomend an archetype, i'd like to see Madolche and it's massive recursion. It also is my most played deck, so I'd like to see where you rank it

There's a Centiscorch deck in Pokemon that mills you. It occasionally works but it will mill you in like 3 turns. I would know. I got beat by this cuz my deck draws a million card per turn. So I got decked out in 2 attacks from the Centiscorch.

Triple Tactics Talent is not banned and lets you look at your opponent's hand

I'd love if you gave oke of these peeps Infernity and let them try to evaluate the Hellbent deck

I think you should use a yugioh simulator like dueling book to show how the cards interact within a game. It would greatly aid these MTG players actually understand these cards and why they are either strong are weak in a duel. I feel like the jumbo of text and the limited ygo knowledge makes evaluating these cards more of a guessing game rather than an educated evaluation when comparing the two card games mechanics and power levels.