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Dean Child Thank Dean :-)

👍🏻 they won’t have been done at 12k. They’ll have been tight by then then stay where they are. They’re usually alright still when checked again at 24k

Simon Holmes Thanks, I've got more time to do it at home than what you would get to do the job at work

blacktiger955i Glad it can help you. It isnt that bad of a job to do. Just make sure you turn the engine over by hand first when its back together then if anything isnt timed up properly you will know without bending valves

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+windsurfed1 thanks. Nice bike.

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Yes. Exactly the same procedure apart from the markings on the cam sprockets.

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Tigertrail Thanks, think I've just got one more to edit and upload

buaan Thanks, every bike is pretty much the same just with different timing marks

good. thats the whole idea of doing the videos. im going to write a blog post with more info and pictures of the torque sequence etc. I feel it was quite complicated trying to explain it all

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👍🏼 if the valves got adjusted at 12k then they might be alright still

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They do start coming in the kits now if you order a kit. If not they’re T3600188

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You need to see what the gap is between the cam and bucket. If it’s out of spec then need to see what shim is already fitted then change it to one bigger or smaller that makes the gap right.

Hi, it's 7.48mm shims for the tiger. Thanks

Ah right, I was looking at the wrong video before, I was looking at the shim check one :-) It's the same sprocket part on both sets of cams, you've just got to make sure its the number 8 marked on the sprocket that are facing each other. You can't mix the cams up though so make sure you keep them separated and remember which one is which when you take them out

Ron Robinson how did this play out?

I think it has IN and EX on both of the cam sprockets, don’t know why

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Some dealerships are around £1000. I’ve heard Staffordshire triumph charge £1205 for 12k service

Markus Vikberg Thanks :-)

+MuddySump you know, this vid made me save almost 650£

toe knee Thanks. If teaching it is anything like filming it I'd rather give it a miss :-) I am thinking about maybe doing a bit of mobile servicing though

You'd do well, i bet! And you make the repairs you film, look very easy. As someone who's worked on my own bikes since they were peddle powered and right on up to my road motorcycles, I'm impressed!

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Keep up the good work on the video's. My confidence level increases every time I watch. My number one passion is motorcycles,dirt or road it doesn't matter. What did you purchase after selling the XC? Cheers Ron W.

I've bought a van, pick it up next week. Gonna try setting up as a mobile mechanic. Hopefully it will pay more than my current job and I can afford another bike too

You shouldn't have any trouble finding work,you look like you know what your doing. Too bad your in Britain and not in Canada. Good luck with your new plan. Cheers Ron

You can if you want to since it’s going to be stripped down anyway. Yes, that extra bolt lets you get it out

Timings slots didn’t start till around 2014

Thanks again! I highly appreciate your help and feed back!

+Malcolm Bowling yes, that's the timing marks still.

Are you putting the chain over the exhaust cam first? The ladder plate should be sitting down nearly all the way when you put it on. You shouldn’t be screwing it down and pushing valves down with a cam. Have you got the cam chain tensioner removed? Send me some pictures to service@muddysump.com if you want me to have a look see if I can see anything

I'm at work so will send pictures later. yes, chain over exhaust cam chain first just like your video. yes cam chain tensioner is removed. I have 88k miles on my bike. Shop said it was ok to reuse old timing chain, could it be stretched or worn out? Every time I get everything close to being lined up....it just seems like the two 8 marks are slightly off. As for the ladder plate. Are you saying that while tightening it down, it is not having to compress any of the valve springs... because it seems like at top dead center there would be at least one or two cam lobes that would be in a position that required them to push a spring and valve down. This is only a thought... don't know if that is the case or not. On my first attempt to bolt it down it set in place flush and bolted right up.... but once bolted, marks were no longer close. In previous attempts with chain tensioner out and a tool in to hold tension... turned engine over with lower nut/wrench and the whole chain jumped a tooth about every other turn of the wrench. I'm very mechanically inclined yet extremely frustrated at how difficult my process is proceeding. thanks

The pistons could have bent the valves. If it hasn’t got proper compression then they’re not seating in the head properly.

@@MuddySump thanks for your reply

Jean-Pierre Ledoux I’m sure you have got this sorted by now, but for anyone else reading this, with the cams removed, all of the valves are completely shut. So there should be no danger of turning the engine over til the timing marks meet at the bottom. Be very careful of not damaging your cam chain, and do like he did in the video and keep all the slack on the chain tensioner side when reinstalling the cams. For the future, mark the chain and gears with a dot of finger nail polish or a paint marker, to make sure you install the chain back in the same grooves as you removed it.

Does your bike have the adjustable sprockets? You can still just take it apart the normal way like in the videos to adjust the shims. The timing adjustment takes the initial stretch out of the cam chain, I’ve seen loads of bikes that are supposed to have had the service done at a dealership and not had the adjustment done. You can tell because there’s paint dots on the factory screws and the ones you get to replace them don’t have them on.

@@MuddySump , Yes they are adjustable, I have a 2017 Tiger explorer xca 1215cc. Thanks for the quick response, subbed!

Inside the cylinder if it fell down the spark plug hole.

12k is when they should have been checked. The only time I see them been in spec is if it’s been used for long rides and not just commuting a few miles to work and back

I’m not sure, I’ve never worked there n one.

No. Once you take the tensioner out the cams will jump a tooth on the cam chain

@@MuddySump thank you very much.

What’s the mileage on it? It might just be a bit of cam chain stretch. If it was a tooth out you would know. Turn it over by hand first, if you can turn it over a few rotations it’s more than likely just due to chain stretch

@@MuddySump 26k miles. Yes I just messed with it, and I’m sure you are correct, it’s chain stretch. Thanks for responding! You are a leader in our lil Tiger community.

Not too bad if you take your time. Might be a bit of a pain if you have to leave it in pieces though if don’t already have shims to replace if any that need adjusting

What’s the mileage on your bike? Might be cam chain stretch

Ahh! Good point! 27,000 kms on a 2012 xc Valves had about half the spec clearance across the board.

That’s not that bad mileage, thought it was going to be more. Should be alright still, if it was a tooth out you would know about it. If it’s gone back in the same place then just leave. Could try a new cam chain next time it’s apart if it looks worse

you’re a saint muddy! thank you for the input 🙏

Did you recheck the clearances you adjusted afterwards? Is the ticking when it’s running or when turning it over by hand still before running it? The tensioner makes noise if it hasn’t run yet cause there is no oil in it yet. The engines can make noise too though so probably nothing to worry about

+H C did you check the clearances and timing again after you built it back up? The tensioner should only make noise until it fills back up with oil.

No. Do you mean you can’t get it out of the engine or can’t get it passed the frame? It should push itself out of the engine when undoing the screws. I think it only comes passed the frame one way. Keep turning it and find the way it just clears the frame.

@@MuddySump we ended up having to grind a touch off of the tensioner housing to get it out. Not ideal, but we are on to the next steps.

@@davidmuir6818 it does come out but only one way

The whistling is the throttle body noise on the triumphs. They all do it, you can tell when a triumph is coming down the street by it 😄 The shim adjustment is to make sure the valves open and close at the right time. The exhaust clearances usually tighten so the valve will be open too long

You only need to reset the cam chain tensioner when you’ve got the cams out so you can build the engine back up without the tension on the chain. Does it still turn over trying to start when it’s hot or does it not even do that? Could be the starter motor if not

Thanks for your quick reply. I can hear the starter motor for probably a second or so then it stops but when it is left to cool it starts straight away. Regarding the noise if it is slack in the cam chain would that make the noise louder when engine is hot? I am drawing a bit of a blank as to where to start with it, I don't really want to take it to Triumph due to the cost so would rather fix it myself if possible.

Darren Watmough it could be a stretched cam chain but the bikes do have a noisy engine, some louder than others. I’ve changed a tension and chain for somebody before and it was exactly the same afterwards

Thanks again. For peace of mind i am going to follow your videos and check valve clearances etc and see if anything looks obvious, failing that I will take it to a mechanic to see if they can diagnose the issue.

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+Fcorrea2002 it's quite easy. Fuel tank off, air box off, throttle bodies off then you can get to the screws keeping the starter motor on. Take those out then you can wiggle the starter motor out.

Yes. Too small or too big. Putting a smaller one in will increase the gap

Triumph sell service kits with the parts you need in them. I think there’s a video showing the kit too but it’s been updated since that video and has more bits in

It has a stretch limit. Can’t think what it is, I’m not at home right now. Did you look in the service book or the owners manual?

MuddySump Morning mate. I checked both and there is no information or I can't see it. Btw, my tiger have 33k miles now so I don't think it needs to be change but it's good to know for a future

@@victheoutdoor6221 A little late but hopefully this helps. Pull the chain from the bike and measure 23 links (preferably hanging from a hook with some weight attached to the bottom. Chain should be under 149.48mm in length. If its over, manual says to replace.

Is it not just the cam chain tensioner until the oil pressure builds up in it again? They sometimes don’t hold the oil so rattle for a few seconds till pressures again.

@@MuddySump Forgot to mention, the bike is actually a Street triple and the tensioner is spring loaded.

@@paulsr7483 Fit a manual tensioner.Much cheaper than the hydraulic one.I put one on my Street Triple a few years ago and no problems since.

Think they both have the same markings on cause they're used in different bikes. Only the line with the 8 on it is needed for the 800

I’ve never had that happen. Don’t know if you can get just the clip by itself. Might have to order a complete tensioner

Malcolm Bowling: I managed to fix the problem by bending out the clip a bit and that did the trick. Why that should happen I don't know. Anyway no need to buy a horrendously expensive new tensioner and thanks for your reply.

Yes. Different markings and different valve clearances though

7.48 for the 800’s. eBay

@@MuddySump thanks!

Sprockets just have the same markings on them

@@MuddySump Agh. OK thanks

Your work has inspired me to carry out my own servicing so thank you very much.

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+Michael Bowlds did you turn the ignition on while things were unplugged still?

MuddySump yes. We accidentally forgot a connection, took the tank off and reconnected it. It's been 3 weeks of riding now with no limp mode. The light is still on though. Perhaps the code needs to be cleared by the dealer service.

I want to add to my reply by saying how grateful I am for your videos. You saved me a lot of money. I would like to help with a donation.

They both have IN and EX written on the sprockets. Is that what you mean?

@@MuddySump how they both have IN and EX written when clearly IN mean intake and EX mean exhaust did you flip the cam before or it is part of design of the engine ?

67 Amri it’s just on the part. They probably use the same sprockets on a few different models cams. I don’t even know why they have them on, they don’t get used for timing the engine up.

@@MuddySump no i think the cams and cam sprocket have very important job to make engine in time if not it wouldn't tell you in manual when going to adjust the valve shim with pacific clearance or would not tell you to make sure of crankshaft in top daed center position ....if they are using the same sprocket in all model that make every job you would do in your own motorcycle very hard because you couldn't trust them ... weird

67 Amri I know the 675 uses those sprockets too cause the timing lines with the 8 face each other on the 800’s and the lines without the 8’s face each other on the 675’s. They changed on the later models though cause there is just a mark on the camshaft to go by now.

Shim kit? Got it on eBay

No. You might get a little bit come out from behind the crank cover when you take it off. No need to drain it though

+MuddySump great, thanks a million

Exactly the same but where the 8’s on the cam sprockets point together point the little lines opposite instead.

Is the shim sat properly on top of the valve? Have you got the cam pointing up when measuring?

@@MuddySump Yes and yes

@@mattberning13 what shim was in and what did you replace it with? It has to get bigger with a smaller shim in.

@@MuddySump Yes correct. I measure the exhaust valve clearance at .15mm, do the math: .15mm - .35mm (spec) + 2.25mm (old shim) = 2.05mm (new shim). Then get it all back together, expect a satisfying check of my work, and discover a frustrating measure of .15mm. So I repeat, do math again, put a .2 mm smaller shim and still the gap seams unchanged. I feel I must be missing something important or obvious. But I’m quite methodical in my work, and very familiar with the feeler gauge at this point.

@@mattberning13 weird. Is it just the one clearance doing that?

Yes. Turn it till the mark lines up then put the cams in with the marks lining up too

@@MuddySump Thank you. One last thing. Once the new shims are in, cam ladder back on, do I need to install the tensioner too before measuring clearances again?

Paul Mp yes, it needs to be built up properly so you can turn the engine over.

Neil Cole I've sold it now, it was mint though. lovely to ride.

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Service kit is from triumph. Shim kit from eBay. There’s no point in buying a shim kit. You’ll never use three quarters of the sizes.

@@MuddySump What diameter of shim?

7.48mm diameters shims. Can get them from nearly all bike shops.

MuddySump great thank you!!

How were they?

@@MuddySump haven't had a chance but enjoyed your video.

2012

You need to take the engine out of the frame

@@MuddySump Thank you for this very quick answer. So just the cylinder head can't go out of the frame alone. I have to take all the engine out first and after remove the cylinder head. Great video.

BiZaRo France yes.

Get a Harley. All you’ve got to do with those is change the oil. Worked there before triumph and wondered why I’ve gone somewhere to do more work for the same money 😅

I just turn it forwards now.

@@MuddySumpyeah I think that's the best way

Other way around. Intake left, exhaust right where the exhaust pipe is

@@MuddySump I’m having a moment lol. Looked at time 2:40 and see EX and IN on the cam sprockets. This clearly doesn’t mean what I thought it meant then lol. Your reply makes better sense than me haha. I’m about to do this at the weekend, video helped loads. Thanks.

+BeaglePower G 12,000 miles for valves. It's not that bad to do on them. Plenty of space to work

Thanks, still jobs that detailed are not for me..BeWell