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I think azama already knew how the system worked so he tried to be as much of an asshole as possible since he already knew he was gonna get married

It'd actually be super funny if azama is only able to have c supports with everyone

Marrying my worst enemy, what a brilliant idea!

Tbh, Niles is how you actually make a mean asshole type character. He's an asshole but it's pretty clear he's got more layers underneath that smooth talking one eyed masochist/sadist. I'd like to see them(Niles and Azama) broken down to see how the two are so similar but also so different

The Saizo-Beruka C support is somehow far more developed than any of Azama's bullying.

So in other words, you could just replace Azama with a fortune cookie with a sad face drawn on it and you'd get roughly the same result

I feel like the S-rank support issue stretches so far beyond Azama. There’s literally so many supports In Fates where partner A treats partner B like shit for 3 consecutive supports and then they get married. Having everyone being able to S-rank everyone was one of Fates biggest issues writing-wise.

IF Azama looked shook after the solder died in the A, maybe they could have played off his nihilism to being insecure in his inability too keep people alive. so he masks his pains by just saying that these guys are dead lets move on because he dosn't want them to die on his watch. or something because this was trash.

5:47 No, Hinoka. That is *not* how you say “You’re fired, you creep. Get out.”

It's worth noting that FE Warriors only brings up how bad of a retainer he is. Not to mention that Frederick's Support with Hinoka ends with Frederick, an actually competent retainer, promising to teach both Setsuna and Azama how to be proper retainers. I feel kind of bad for Setsuna, but Azama totally had it coming.

I think Orochi is his best one, honestly. Gives him a taste of his own medicine so it’s mutual. Still sounds like it’s going to need marriage counseling, though.

> "I'm the only one strong enough for you" > Has the lowest attack stat in Heroes...

It's a shame, because Hinoka imo has one of the best visual designs in the entire franchise and a pretty good character when she actually gets to say something. But just like Xander gets ruined by Peri, Hinoka gets ruined by both of her retainers.

Ghast: look... is an S support, we know how it ends. Enex: Hmmm... uh? *Enex looks at Kana(M) crying in a corner*

TBH it really feels like there were different writers for the story and the supports. When we first meet Azama he doesn’t seem so rude as he is in his supports. He just seems like a cynical philosopher

Azama is just a poor mans version of Niles...

Ok, the S support may suck but it was pretty hilarious. “This has got to be the most arrogant proposal of all time”.

I feel like Fates just saw that Awakening has characters that start off as tropes and wrote them that way with no consideration about how Awakening develops their character into likable, realistic characters

The real reason Hinoka wanted to get married with Azama: They share the same hairstyle.

Since Hinoka is unimportant in the plot, at least she should have had better supports

This is a great idea for a series, hope you continue it.

The whole bit on not saving someone would make more logical sense if it was explained that in emergency triage, you need to save who you can, and gotta pick people to die to save the less injured.

Hinoka: So why did you save me? Azama: For the lols.

So simply put... Hazama would a be a terrific antagonist

As a Hinoka fan this support makes me sad it hurts Hinoka as a character and ruined all possibility of redemption for Azama and making him seem more human

I personally still love Azama. Not because he is a good character. But he is such an asshole it never fails to make me laugh. Same reason I love Makalov as well. Both are shit human beings, but damn I love them. A good laugh can always bring up my mood. Sometimes not every character needs to be a developed masterpiece, a character that gives me a laugh is a nice change of pace imo. As long as they are sparing with those kinds of characters. I do agree with all the points in the video though. I just can't help but laugh reading it, and thats why I enjoy Azama, its just simple as that.

I really like Azama because I find him really funny and I do think he does have some good supports, but I fucking hated his support with Hinoka.

There's only one thing to do. Pair Azama with Peri.

I agree that if they wanted a deep philosophical support, they should have done it far better. It could have been a better topic regarding mercy and death and suffering. Hard disagree that Hinoka is less competent because her retainers are shit. If anything that proves she's more competent because she can't rely upon them to protect her. She has to be better to protect both herself and her retainers. That qualities as extremely competent.

Ah Fates version of Shinji Matou from the other Fate series

9:20 You don't have to apologize for not liking a character, especially if you explain why

Just gonna post something i found on reddit “This is a response to Ghaststation's recent "Supports That Suck" episode. This episode really struck a chord with me, and I feel like it misses the mark in a lot of ways. The original statement of the video about Azama's problem with everything having to work out in the end and they get married isn't wrong. Honestly, this is a problem with fates and awakening as a whole and I can't really defend this part, as the only character he really has romantic chemistry with is Orochi and maybe Beruka, but something I've always noticed about Azama is his supports are actually very complete even if you stop at the A support, which you probably should in most cases. Lets look at some of the examples Ghast showed in the video itself, starting with Sakura. "Azama literally spends 3 entire conversations to Sakura being an incredibly mean-spirited jerkoff to her, then just apologizes in their S support and they get married." This actually isn't true. He is picking on her, but he's doing it for a reason that it feels like most people don't catch up on, despite it being mentioned pretty clearly in the B support. Sakura: WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHUT UP?! Azama: You...you just snapped that staff in two with your bare hands! he smiles That's what I like to see! Stand up for yourself! Sakura: Whatever. I don't care what you think. I'm out of here, Azama! Azama: Amazing. I just knew she had potential! This moment signifies a lot of growth for Sakura, standing up for herself is something she has most likely never done before. She is a pampered, shy, stuttering princess, and Azama just made her take a leap and tell him off. This is something that doesn't happen with any other support or in any other scene in the game, and is a recurring trend with Azama. He makes people reflect on themselves in his own roundabout, blunt way. Also he apologizes in the A support shortly after, now that he's gotten the bit of growth from her that he was aiming for. Another thing about the video that I thought was odd, is that it uses footage from the Azura and Azama Support. While this support does start off with Azama seeming to be intrusive and mean, you have to remember this is Birthright!Azura we are talking about, the girl with more secrets and worries under her belt than anyone else. It actually made me wonder if he was prying her because he could tell there was a lot she wasn't telling the party, like about Valla, and about the curse, and it comes to a very natural conclusion in the A support where Azama gets the message across that Azura shouldn't be afraid to talk to him if she has worries, though more could have been done here, it isn't bad. Azama actually gets pretty embarrassed when Azura realizes what he's doing too, which is kind of funny and cute. Oboro and Kagero also have decent supports with Azama, Oboro in particular actually turns the tables on him and makes him think of why he is the way he is. It's actually pretty unique compared to his other supports, as for Kagero he leads her in the direction to reflect on the traditions of her profession and betters her because of it. All of these supports together can give you a good idea of what kind of person Azama is. He is absolutely a troll, but he actually does care about the people in his party, and he wants to help them succeed by helping them reflect on themselves and their lives. Also in some cases like Sakura, he takes a direct approach to help them overcome their biggest problem. He isn't doing this just to be a jerk and get off on getting a rise out of people, though in some cases he does seem to enjoy it, there is a deeper meaning here beyond that. Now, as for the support the video is about itself. At face value, I do agree it makes Azama out to be someone who just doesn't care if people die and doesn't want to do this job, but after the other supports it should be clear that you shouldn't be taking this character at face value. The biggest issue this video represents is Azama letting people die because they 'weren't interesting to him', while completely disregarding the line that comes after it. "But I don't think I could have saved them anyway." This is doubled so in the A support, when Hinoka orders Azama to help someone who is dying. He doesn't want to do it, because he knows it is pointless due to how grave the injuries are, but he obliges anyway...and what happens? The soldier dies in a much worse, drawn out state then he would have had Azama done nothing. This is a very morally grey area for a support to go into, and people may think it's a bad support that hurts his character for it. And this is perfectly fine to have this view, but I think the intention is important, he isn't not helping these people because he doesn't want to-he isn't helping them because helping them is beyond his ability. He also specifically states he doesn't care what people think of him, through and through he will do what he thinks is best regardless of opinion on him. That is important, and is something that makes me like him even more. /u/SontaranGaming also made a really good series of comments on the reddit thread for this video. If you have anything to add to this Sontaran, please feel free to do so. TL;DR: Azama's intentions are often misunderstood, he didn't choose to not save those soldiers because he didn't want to, but that doing so was beyond his power, and he genuinely cares about his party, he just has a hard time showing it and is rather socially awkward and grounded. He also absolutely trolls people, but usually it's for a certain intention like making someone reflect on themselves. Thank you for taking the time to read this, I'm not the best at making posts like this but I hope it was readable enough and I got my points across. Let me know what you think or if you have anything to add, and if you see this Ghast keep up the great work. Even if I didn't care for this video in particular your channel is still great and I love the discussions your videos spark. Thanks for all you do!” -ArekuFoxFire

I think the thing with Azama was that they wanted him to be a gadfly, they wanted to have his teasing and bullying to have a purpose. In an ideal situation this would mean that when he picks on a character he gets them to acknowledge their own flaws and grow, or just come to a new level of understanding about themselves and what they believe in, however I think this ended up being pretty hit or miss. For Hinoka I think what they were going for is that she is super valiant and hardworking and wants to try and exhaust all options before ever giving up, but Azama is supposed to offer a counterpoint that sometimes you can't control things no matter what you do, and sometimes tragedy just has to be accepted. However for this to work well they needed Azama to show a degree of empathy, when Hinoka is genuinely hurting from a soldier dying have him display at least some degree of understanding towards her, and then you can see a relationship building and Hinoka could grow as a character. She doesn't have to lose her drive but having her learn that she can't control everything and she shouldn't get hung up on everything ( *cough cough* Corrin kidnapping *cough*) would actually make for a satisfying support chain.

As much as I agree that this support sucks, and that none of his s supports makes sense, I can’t help but love him. Shoot me

I like Azama as a character Probably not as a person But I just find him so damn funny Wouldn't it be better if all of his S supports were just the girls feeling sorry for Azama and marry him out of sheer pity?

I'm glad that I always found azama not worth my time since setsuna's and his first appearance in birthright, I just thought "this guy is a plain jerk that'll just piss me off". I'm glad I followed my gut feeling, that guy angers me a lot and way more now that I've watched this

5:40 there's only place for ONE psycho in my heart, and that is Henry. Go away Azama, you're not even crazy. You're just fucking mean.

I kind of want to see your take on the Benny and Nyx support seeing as how in the older video that you did for her you commented on how they had no chemistry even though they were both your favorite characters or something.

Who drew the picture you used at the end of you and the dog?! It looks dope :D

Always glad when Ghast puts out a new video.

I think my problem with Azama and many more supports in Fates (less so in awakening) is that it supplemented quantity over quality There are so many bad to average supports But the good ones are really good when they manage to develop a character and have a heartwarming conversation

Why did he become a healer when his entire philosophy is “if its your time, its your time”. Like isn’t the whole point of being a healer being able to avoid that part of life...

C: Keep it the same B: Same until Hinoka asks him why he saved her, then he walks away. A: Azama admits he cares about her and promises to be a better person. Hinoka tells him his wisdom is sometimes good. S: Hinoka declares to Azama, and he spits out his "philosophy" until he admits he loves her too and makes fun of her.

Can we get a full support science on Azama?

Maybe you could also look into those sort of Odd Ball romantic supports. Like showing some that are actually pretty well done but hardly looked at by most players. My personal favorite of these is Jakob and Selena for Fates and Tharja with Kellam from Awakening

Hey Ghast can you go into a look for some characters again with support science, like Felicia or someone from Echoes like Sonya, Deen and Alm

I feel like you could make a ton of these kinds of videos on Fates supports alone, but I'd love to see you try and find some bad supports to the more traditionally well-written games as well!

Just wondering what are some good Azama supports? S supports specifically.

Which support do you think is the worst in sacred stones?

Hey, we found a character who's a bigger sociopath than Peri.

I think that azama only really fits with setsuna. She has no clue that azama is an asshole, so she's the only one that won't suffer from his rudeness. Although, i have to say, azama's assholeness makes for some pretty funny supports. I especially like his supports with hayato and arthur.

Said it last time and gonna say it again Please review the atrocity that are Nah and Inigo's supports

Honestly I thought azama had some potential as far as supports, but due to the current support system, the conversations are too short for any kind of relationship to build between certain characters. azama suffers a lot from this. If they either made him at least seem nicer in his A support showing a softer side, or if they made them longer so there can be more development, then he could’ve been a great lovable jerk. Sadly though very few conversations flow well for him due to the sudden jump from troll to lover

I love this series, hope that you'll do more.

It´s quite a pity an amoral, mad and/or dickish character can be quite entertaining. Personally I enjoy Henry quite a bit. Its seems they didn´t handle Azama to well though...

I'm guessing Ryoma and Camilla is gonna be an episode soon

What do you think of azama and oboro supports

Man so far I am only on chapter 16 in birthright and so far there are a few supports I actually like( Corrin and Sophie for one but thats because of avel mostly haha) Of course I have about 112 hours just grinding every single support out there. I expect to have ay least 500 hours and still be on chapter 16 when I finish all the birthright supports.

This reminds me of the Farina/Dart support in FE7. It's obvious from the onset that their personalities clash and they are going to hate each other...so in the end, they hate each other. No BS about love or marriage there. (Granted, they still granted support bonuses, but that's forgivable.) Unfortunately, "all compatible characters have an S support" and "S support is always love" mars this and forces characters supremely at odds into blush status for the sake of relationships.

sick end art mate awesome vid as always

I haven't even played Fates and already it already has two characters I feel like I'd be okay with dieing (Azama and Peri), and I'm the type who never lets units die without resetting

The Effie x Azama support I find to be pretty good, at least with how Azama seems to start to care about Effie, not to mention how Azama's bs doesn't really faze Effie

Were you playing a randomizer or something? Because your units seemed cooler than the base ones

Orochi does the same thing, so Azama and Orochi can exist to hate eachother for all eternity. Romantic.

That is some amazing art at the end there, who drew it?

I decided to grind the supports in Conquest because I could care less about the ones in Birthright. I read them online, and I'm not exactly impressed. At least the ones in Conquest can be entertainingly bad, decent, or sometimes even good.

I knew there was a reason I wanted to forget their support and you made me remember why, thanks

Hot take: Azama isn't appealing in any way whatsoever.

I always married him with (F)Corrin so Mitama could Canonically have her pink hair(Not sakura's shade of pink)

I love this support and others like it. It's a perfect example of why "everyone can marry everyone" doesn't work and can actually bring down all the other work they put into developing characters.

Tbh I only married Azama because I love Mitama and I wanted her to have pink hair

can we talk about how god tier odin/camilla support is next

Let's all be real Fates has some bad supports but it also has the best support in any fire emblem game aka Hayato and Rinkah support. The amount of character development in that support is incredible.

I like the s supports in three houses they don’t get married then and there they just have a romantic moment and get married in the epilogue so what happened since can be left up to interpretation.

The only support Azama has with a female character that I really like is his support with Effie. It is one of the few supports where Azama doesn't act like a dick head and shows his caring side and it's also one of Effie's only supports where she doesn't mention Elise.

Gawd I married these two cuz they were my leftovers but I didn't really read their supports lmaooo I was just trying to get all the kids and figured Mitama could pull off Hinoka's fire engine red hair and wellll...she did. So mission accomplished sorry Hinoka :,)

Well Azama is a healer Henry of Fates. I wouldn't be surprised if Azama would become a killing maniac if he can use dark magic.

I feel like there was some missed potential here. A nihilistic doctor who refuses to save all lives could be interesting idea, if the reasons of why would be even a bit thought out: Maybe he doesn't do that because he wants to spare his strength and supply for possible more important event. Or the idea that he doesn't save other soldiers because supply is limited, they have small chance to recovery and it would be smarter to use medicine to soldiers he is more sure he could save. That could lead to supports where Azama could gain some of his partner idealism while he would give them some of his pragmatism.

Still my favorite character in BR because I actually remember his personality

I actually like the C to A Supports for Hinoka and Azama. The C Support reveals that Azama is a terrible retainer and Hinoka only keeps him around because of him saving her in the past. The B Support shows that him saving her was for a wa worse reason than she thought, taking away the last reason for hinoka to have him as a retainer. the A Support then has Azama demonstrate his medical knowledge, correctly identifying when a patient is too injured to be saved, thus establishing a new reason for Hinoka to keep him after all the other reasons were demolished by the previous Supports. I agree that the S Support makes no sense, though.

Are you going to do Support Science and even Supports that Suck for Three Houses Characters?

I wonder how a support conversation between him and Peri would look like...

I still play Fates to this day, but it's mostly Corrin solos. In Conquest however, I use einherjar units and certain skills to exploit enemy A.I. since 99% of them won't attack if they deal 0 damage or have a 0% hit rate.

Azama Troll That’s his character.

1:13 What about Echoes? :O

I kinda agree with your thoughts on Hinoka near the end... I'm an Hinako fan but for real.......it's pretty dumb how she handles it.

Yeah, I’ve never liked this one. What were they thinking?

I completely agree with the issue Azama is still my favourite character in the game though

Plz do Inigo and Nah omg is it incredible

He's like Henry...but terrible.

Jaffar is another well-written, morally grey character.

having retainers with there lord/lady that they sever are not ok in my book. so i never support would have this support. i almost messed up a playthrough and had a azama/hinoka support. still some S ranks end up happy and i guess some don't...

9:38 If that advice was said in Danganronpa V3 or any Danganronpa game for that matter, maybe it would be more sound and would make sense; it’s the killing game after all, and look at what happened to Makoto when he trusted Sayaka: SHE PLANNED TO FRAME HIM FOR A MURDER AND EVERYONE ELSE THOUGHT THAT HE KILLED HER FIRST BECAUSE HE SWITCHED ROOMS!

When I saw Azama at first and his voice clips I thought he could be really entertaining Sad to see he's just kinda nothing and is way less than he could be Though I guess a lot of Fates characters are like that

None of those marriages are going to last long...

You have to do one on odin and corrin!

thank you for addressing this about Azama. I thought I was alone in this XD ya he is a mean jerk but I want to try to collect all the kids. lolz

Azama, the Peri of Hoshido.

Is... is there a support of Hinoka's that develops her decently and doesn't handle it too poorly?