BMW i5 M60: Super Comfortable Suspension for a Luxury Ride

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BMW i5 M60: Super Comfortable Suspension for a Luxury Ride | Hoist Review

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Kevin and Jordan put the BMW i5 M60 up on the hoist to check out its undercarriage and discuss it's SORB strategy.
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@ramdynebix 3 ай бұрын

Looking at the way all those “extra” components are added to improve dynamics, it is also a way to differentiate within the product line. Start with basics that are good enough and then add/exchange parts to climb the model range towards sportiness and/or comfort

@markplott4820 3 ай бұрын

the BEST part, is NO part needed, in FIRST place. - ELON.

@Aztasu 2 ай бұрын

Awesome quality engineering

@chrisborns5972 2 ай бұрын

Notice Sandy isn't in these videos anymore because he tells it like it is and with legacy and German auto it hurts theirs business because it is too truthful.

@mikewallace8087 Ай бұрын

Awesome suspension . Parts replacement OMG $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

@__--JY-Moe--__ 3 ай бұрын

great walkthrough! always a solid presentation! thanks ya'll

@MunroLive 3 ай бұрын

Our pleasure!

@billybobbob3003 3 ай бұрын

@@MunroLive HONDA=BEST ENGINEERS ON THE PLANET 5 SECOND 1/4 MILE 4 CYLINDER TOP THAT ELON PONZI

@barry7920 3 ай бұрын

Munro taking a break from his day job of pushing pro-Tesla propaganda

@yourcrazybear 2 ай бұрын

@@billybobbob3003 "@MunroLive HONDA=BEST ENGINEERS ON THE PLANET 5 SECOND 1/4 MILE 4 CYLINDER TOP THAT ELON PONZI" Honda who? 😅

@yourcrazybear 2 ай бұрын

@@barry7920 But you are not taking a break from pushing anti-Munroe propaganda?

@brianb-p6586 3 ай бұрын

The "shear plates / aero covers" are interesting, as it is not normal to use one component for both purposes. It was good to show where they were fastened and the large fasteners implying their structural function; it would have been even better to have held one up to the car to show it.

@mrm1885 Ай бұрын

I like how well made it is. Even the cross bracing is warm dip galvanised, not the usual thin black paint. The brake dust plates also. Driveshafts painted. Everything aluminium and not pressed steel like a Kia.

@brianb-p6586 3 ай бұрын

That (at 18:18) is the first time I've heard anyone refer to flanged holes as having "racetrack edges".

@carvalhoribeiro 3 ай бұрын

Very good. Thanks for sharing

@1944chevytruck 3 ай бұрын

good job!

@MunroLive 3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@danneil8778 3 ай бұрын

man dig those kinematics

@tidianediallo6860 3 ай бұрын

u did not make your research before this good video that could be so much more. what a piece of engineering

@suchdevelopments 2 ай бұрын

😁Sandy, Good day from Lismore, NSW. 👍The BMW video was interesting.👍 We are back in Sydney after I circumnavigate Australia next May. Number of 130 sleeps to go. On the first Monday of each month, from 3.0pm to 4.30 pm. Where we ever are in Australia 🥰Cheers, Ian Cleland

@sylvester2294 2 ай бұрын

Aluminum castings can get rid of a lot of bolts! :-)

@brianb-p6586 3 ай бұрын

"SLA" wasn't expanded after it was used at 4:12. Of course it means "Short and Long Arm" suspension design.

@Conservator. 3 ай бұрын

0:43 BMW’s 5 and 7 series share the same platform. They have for a long time.

@markplott4820 3 ай бұрын

very CRAPPY outdated Horse & Buggy platform.

@Conservator. 3 ай бұрын

@@markplott4820 You clearly haven’t driven one. I even doubt that you’ve watched the video tbh.

@markplott4820 3 ай бұрын

@@Conservator. - Meanwhile TESLA performance models are OUTSELLING BMW, Porsche, Audi, & Mercedes.

@catch_me_if_you_can1147 3 ай бұрын

@@markplott4820Thats not even remotley true…. X5 and 5eries are outselling Tesla Model S and X Even in the U.S. And then u still need to ad X6 X7 XM IX 8 and 7series… but fanboy is f…

@markplott4820 3 ай бұрын

@@catch_me_if_you_can1147 - BMW is Really FCUKED.

@brianb-p6586 3 ай бұрын

This model is not available in Canada yet, but the BMW Canada website allows configuration and reservation. The base price of an i5 M60 xDrive Sedan here is CAD$98,735. It had better be well-built...

@samin90 Ай бұрын

It's been available in Canada since the end of last October, I have one

@brianb-p6586 Ай бұрын

@@samin90 I am offered only reservation on the BMW Canada website, but that may be responding to province - many EVs are only available in some provinces (generally Quebec, BC, and Ontario).

@samin90 Ай бұрын

@@brianb-p6586 I'm in Ontario, lots of inventory here. Your local dealership should be able to request a car from another dealership in another part of the country

@brianb-p6586 Ай бұрын

@samin90 thanks... although my point was just that real pricing was not available here, and at anything like the list price this vehicle is so expensive that it should be expected to be well-built.

@user-uw3wm9xl1c 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the in depth review of the suspension. I would be interested in a short episode on the rear steering with any relevant comparison to the Cybertruck. Thanks again.

@alanmay7929 3 ай бұрын

Lol!!!! Rear wheel steering is literally the same hardware and some bigger vehicles like Mercedes trucks have up to 3 steering axles.

@user-uw3wm9xl1c 3 ай бұрын

@@alanmay7929 Well rear wheel steering is more novel than wishbone control arms. I would just like to see how they implemented it.

@alanmay7929 3 ай бұрын

@@user-uw3wm9xl1c real wheel steering was invented by Honda decades ago with the ACURA lol!!!

@paulo3011 3 ай бұрын

Didn't Sandy just give a rant defending Tesla asking "who else is giving you rear steer?" Pretty sure this BMW was released in 2024 before the CT.

@mahlem.6983 3 ай бұрын

Mercedes provides rear steer since years! Their EVs have 10.6° rear steer angle!

@pasad335 3 ай бұрын

So Sandy's getting the 'rear steer' from Elon? Sounds about right.

@alanmay7929 3 ай бұрын

Mercedes literally has trucks with 3 steering axles for ages nothing new here!

@alanmay7929 3 ай бұрын

Also Mercedes offers features like central inflation system and much more.

@MikesCarInfo 3 ай бұрын

2023 2024 Genesis G90 has rear steering. I made a detailed video on the vehicle.

@brianb-p6586 3 ай бұрын

At 8:54 that's 84 kilowatt *hours* of battery energy capacity, not 84 kilowatts (which would be power).

@AaronAverett 3 ай бұрын

Is that a partially disassembled Decepticon in the background?

@nathansuss 3 ай бұрын

Bunch of Tesla's lol but yeah might as well be alien technology compared to legacy auto companies

@brianb-p6586 3 ай бұрын

The sides of the front subframe are not hemispherical. They're mirror-image sides.

@danneil8778 3 ай бұрын

TUSK!

@CyberTankMan 3 ай бұрын

👍

@CaneBTC 3 ай бұрын

Theft siren holes in the back... an option

@Metalcastr 2 ай бұрын

The aluminum looks nice now, but one salt season and it's going to be a pitted mess.

@curioussand1339 3 ай бұрын

If you can afford it, it's a better driving experience than a Tesla

@tommaycock6948 3 ай бұрын

Doubt it

@chrisborns5972 3 ай бұрын

If you can afford it you have many dollars, but no sense.

@b286guy 3 ай бұрын

Honda Civic is as well

@nathansuss 3 ай бұрын

I guarantee the current model 3P would destroy this thing in every metric Sorry not sorry

@dogbreath6974 3 ай бұрын

@@nathansuss Your having a laugh.

@MikesCarInfo 3 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed driving this vehicle. Check out the night video I made. Epic

@MunroLive 3 ай бұрын

We also enjoyed driving this vehicle. Post a link to yours and we'll check it out.

@MikesCarInfo 3 ай бұрын

@@MunroLive Here is the video where I do a lighting analysis: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aLV6aaV50buwdGQ.htmlsi=Nh0lZrmdya66ouaP

@MikesCarInfo 3 ай бұрын

Here is the full feature overview of the vehicle: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ipqFaLGAt9_Ddqc.htmlsi=HiUT5q0N55gM6EZ_

@markplott4820 3 ай бұрын

NOW try the 2024 Model 3 Performance.

@MikesCarInfo 3 ай бұрын

@@markplott4820 I wish I had access to one.

@robertherman1146 2 ай бұрын

What happens if you drive through a deep puddle in a battery car?

@suwisalperera9796 3 ай бұрын

With all this fancy engineering, where do they stand on the Nurburgring track compared to Tesla and Porsche?

@gtjack9 3 ай бұрын

You mean the Nurburgring?

@docsnider8926 3 ай бұрын

What is Porche?

@shazam6274 3 ай бұрын

@@docsnider8926 the one that has a "Turbo" and electric muffler noises. :)

@brianb-p6586 3 ай бұрын

It's not "indicative" of vehicles that you have seen in the past; it is "typical" of them. "Indicative" would mean that a feature indicates something... such as a suspension design which indicates a compromise toward ride quality (rather than other characteristics such as low cost).

@yourcrazybear 2 ай бұрын

Incorrect. You can use both terms in this context.

@yourcrazybear 2 ай бұрын

indicative: "If one thing is indicative of another, it suggests what the other thing is likely to be."

@brianb-p6586 2 ай бұрын

@yourcrazybear yes, that's the definition... it doesn't mean "typical", which is how it was used in the video.

@richardhamilton-gibbs6360 3 ай бұрын

Boy, it would be soooo nice if you could spend 90 seconds introduce the vehicle. Like, price, market niche, motive power, history, and why you're doing this analysis, and what you're going to cover. If you expect to cater to engineers only who aren't interested why you're doing this, then I understand and I'll unsubscribe. Hey, I'm sure you're all really nice guys, but this is just winging it.

@MunroLive 3 ай бұрын

Price and Stats are given in our overall review of the vehicle, which comes out next week. This was our hoist review.

@shazam6274 3 ай бұрын

@@MunroLive so "cart before the horse"?

@malinsuceveanu6507 3 ай бұрын

You really trust that car lift, don't you?

@BigGroupHug 3 ай бұрын

Do you pee your pants every time you get in an elevator?

@jamesengland7461 3 ай бұрын

Of course they do. It's very well engineered to securely hold far more than this car.

@afelso 3 ай бұрын

I guess it’s not an earthquake prone area.

@p00lking 3 ай бұрын

@@afelsoit’s not

@pablopicaro7649 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the great review....Advanced designs and expensive manufacturing for a vehicle that extremely unlikely to mechanically/electrically last more than 120k miles / 200.000km. typical BMW waste of resources, to be junked early due to excessive repair costs..

@giacomu1 3 ай бұрын

8 years, 100k warranty and 70 % of this cars are leased for the first 3 years. If i lease something i used it "the right way". I don't care who is the next owner.

@anthonyxuereb792 3 ай бұрын

Very true and could be said of all German cars?

@MrDrProfessorVader 2 ай бұрын

@@giacomu1That warranty is only for the EV components and is required by US law for all EVs/PHEVs. Everything else is the same standard warranty as most cars.

@mrm1885 Ай бұрын

I think you will be proven wrong. I think these cars will last minimum 20 years 450000 km.

@sylvester2294 2 ай бұрын

How many years down the road does it become a money pit? Tech comes with a terrible cost when things go wrong.

@EricP36 3 ай бұрын

First!

@anton_grahn 3 ай бұрын

So many welds, brackets, fasteners and castings 😮‍💨 A world away from Teslas packaging/engineering efficiency

@Timo-qb1gf 3 ай бұрын

Yea and tesla is world's away on driving performance, comfort etc as well.

@anton_grahn 3 ай бұрын

@@Timo-qb1gf It is all about finding the right balance between preformance/weight/cost, BMW seem to be set on making expensive heavy an complex luxury cruizers, not light fun sports sedans

@docsnider8926 3 ай бұрын

Tesla fanboy? Look at the hoist of the Cybertruck, is even more complex.

@Timo-qb1gf 3 ай бұрын

@@anton_grahn I don't think they said they did. Not since the 80s anyway.

@yourcrazybear 2 ай бұрын

@@Timo-qb1gf "Yea and tesla is world's away on driving performance, comfort etc as well." According to people actually driving their cars, they are not. With that said, BMW and Tesla have slightly different focus. Tesla focuses more on efficiency in production and the cost of their cars.

@chrisborns5972 3 ай бұрын

That's a bunch of complex junk, so typical German

@BigGroupHug 3 ай бұрын

Don't buy it, remain primitive

@docsnider8926 3 ай бұрын

Exactly, that’s why the whole world regards US made cars as complete junk.

@calholli 3 ай бұрын

@@BigGroupHug lol.. You think that's an insult.

@yourcrazybear 2 ай бұрын

@@BigGroupHug "Don't buy it, remain primitive" Primitive? One of the arts of engineering is to remove unwanted complexity. So your claim is quite weird.

@chrisborns5972 2 ай бұрын

@@BigGroupHug had a A4 and never again! Primative 🤣, who printed you engineering degree on TP? Michigan Tech printed mine.

@desobrien3827 2 ай бұрын

Just a small suggestion boys & girls! "I" used to be the most common word in the English language...it has been surpassed by "super"...Please consider the multitude of alternative words! Be even more imaginative engineers & educators boys & girls! 😁

@markplott4820 3 ай бұрын

MUNRO - SAFETY is the ULTIMATE luxury. which BMW lacks.

@jamespatrick5930 3 ай бұрын

"SALA" yea everybody knows what that means! Speak to us the viewers, not fellow insiders.

@BigGroupHug 3 ай бұрын

SLA-- short long arm-- a common suspension geometry on cars.

@markplott4820 3 ай бұрын

MUNRO - one important NOTE. BMW i5 is unable to protect passengers , falling off a 250 foot cliff @ Devils Slide. unlike a TESLA. BTW - TESLA just released their Q1 2024 Autopilot SAFETY data.

@ranig2848 3 ай бұрын

Way to many parts. It increases cost and doesn’t bring any value (to the customer or or BMW). As for all the bracing - any proof that it’s actually more rigid than a one piece giga casting? From all I’ve seen the giga casting is super rigid especially given lack of fasteners and being one part…

@chrisborns5972 3 ай бұрын

100% spot on, spend big $$$ to get nothing in return.

@afelso 3 ай бұрын

You just stated it doesn’t bring any value. So why are you asking for proof?

@afelso 3 ай бұрын

I think the gigacasting is pretty heavy compared to this structure.

@docsnider8926 3 ай бұрын

Not every cast is a gigacast, word buzzing because you have seen some Munro Videos?

@TheAegisClaw 3 ай бұрын

Germans love over-engineering. Unfortunately that usually means fairly poor reliability. More to go wrong.

@calholli 3 ай бұрын

You guys used to make these videos to show us the dramatic differences... Now it seems like you're only showing how everything is the same. lol..

@szym86 3 ай бұрын

Too many parts and fasteners.

@markplott4820 3 ай бұрын

unfortunately, BMW is still living in the PAST in 2024. too heavily RELIANT on outdated TECH.

@diegostevenson4569 2 ай бұрын

Still is a bmw, who ever own one and wanted to keep it for over 100k miles will know is a money pit

@diegostevenson4569 2 ай бұрын

Everything is plastic with no aftermarket available to replace it.

@markplott4820 3 ай бұрын

BMW is loosing Marketshare to TESLA. Tesla has unassailable LEAD over BMW & others. the BMW i5 M60 is a very cheaply made car , built on a Horse & Buggy platform.

@usertogo 3 ай бұрын

Lack of gigacasting... costly...

@jamesengland7461 3 ай бұрын

These engineering experts pointed out that it is less costly in terms of capital investment in huge, high-tonnage casting machines. These BMWs don't sell in the high volumes that Tesla 3 and Y do, and S and X still don't use gigacastings; probably for the same reason.

@usertogo 3 ай бұрын

@@jamesengland7461 true, cost of capital is an issue, especially if it isn't even sure BMW is going to be around for the the ROI time, in that way hundreds of components and lots of work elaborating and assembling them will make sure you stay expensive and low volume ...

@troyjeup2861 Ай бұрын

Definitely not an M car 😂. Great video very detailed, although I will never buy an electric car they are garbage

@WANDERER0070 3 ай бұрын

Interesting,,Il leave this for beemer fans and get Tesla instead 😅

@walterrumohr7090 3 ай бұрын

Spaghetti and noodles design to compete with Tesla !

@user-to2rf1rj5v 3 ай бұрын

It was entertaining to hear how many excuses were made for BMW on their inferior engineering here. Overly costly, overly heavy, overly complex in terms of aero, and just not as well executed as Tesla does it. German marketing has really pulled the wool over people's eyes. They are no longer the best engineers...

@docsnider8926 3 ай бұрын

No as well executed? Look Tesla Videos, this is 100% better executed.

@afelso 3 ай бұрын

Incorrect. German hardware engineering is still the best. There are cheaper solutions but no better ones.

@user-to2rf1rj5v 3 ай бұрын

@@afelso Definitely not. Tesla surpassed them (and is now lapping them) long ago.

@martyndavies1482 3 ай бұрын

Damn, 108 years of engineering, 2.8m cars sold last year, and now its all over with this one comment. RIP BMW...

@pin65371 3 ай бұрын

@@docsnider8926 if your vehicle doesnt cut you on its sharp edges and have massive panel gaps its not better executed. Dont get me wrong Telsa makes a good car but the fan boys are annoying as hell.