Golden words

Usually they are excited to prove other scientists wrong, however they are mostly friendly about it.

Being proven wrong means increasing knowledge.

This is the actual challenge for any physicist, they want themselves to prove wrong, so that they gave start their way to more deeper theory.....more near to the fundamental

Bought a tear to my eye. Humanity at it’s absolute best.

You're lucky, Jim; your heart assists your mind. There are scientists who are highly educated but bored and dissatisfied, because their heart is out of tune with their mind. I am an aviation mechanic, 72 years old, and watch these lectures, sometimes, like you, without understanding what exactly is going on. But my mind has found other friends than my heart: Fermilab, the Royal Institution, and several others. They educate me without being condescending. Have no regrets, Jim. Believe me, you're luckier than you think.

Dear Jim, your mindset alone is reason enough to be proud of yourself! What happened in the past is gone and we have to focus on what we´re doing from now on. With that said, it´s great that you haven´t let your regrets take you down and maintain a positive mind, that is always willing to learn new things. A mind that constantly keeps wanting to learn and challenge itself, is a beautiful mind. So, once again, Jim, keep going and be proud of yourself for the way you´ve come and the way you´re still gonna go!

You are wonderful granddad I've ever met on comments , great to have you with us . Be curious , it's never too late to start anything .

Aero Dynamico thank you Aero 👍 I can only hope I have passed something on to my grandkids. All the best to you sir.

SP thank you SP. I do love watching and reading about all this amazing scientific stuff and the brilliant scientists that carry out this exciting and important work. I hope there is a parallel universe somewhere, where I'm one of the scientists doing the work... I can only hope 😉😉 All the best to you.

You clever bastard ;)

When they did it again, they found it was 'Strange'

@@mn9365 It's a science/quantum-related joke. You have quarks, electrons, charms, etc. Then the saying "Third time is a charm". Get it?!

After 5 experiments it was said to be the 'TOP' discovery of 2 decades

I imagine the red zone is close to something really good.

On its woke knees hahaha

same lol

I bet they're using yardstick and inchtape - that's why it deviates from Standard Model

@@error200http yeah, that’s why they get previous 8 decimal places EXACTLY the same.

You with the research team? If so, do you think adding some PMNS mixing terms to the perturbation series on the theoretical side could cure the discrepancy, or that possibility has already been factored in/discarded already in the comparison we were shown here?

@@thstroyur I'm not a physicist so I can't answer that. I am a senior electronic technician and my main responsibilities include fabrication and testing of electronic items. I've worked on g-2 electronics as well as a majority of our other experiments including our new Mu2e experiment. If you want to see the g-2 building and muon campus check out my latest video here on youtube. it will be up by tomorrow. I take a ride over there to show people where the magic happens...

@@icemanfiveoh "may shed more light on the non standard models of physics". Careful, or you'll get the Electric Universe and Plasma Universe people all excited... :)

Congrats - also on working at the frontiers of our assumed fundamental particles and waves. Quasi- of something much deeper and simpler. Which makes the minuteness of these assymetries so revealing - of our underlying space-time fluid's only apparant rigidness. A mesasure of the apparant vastness due to an almost completely incompressible observable space-time. Or a measure of that compressibility dispersion with space-time size and strain. Like John Macken. Thad Roberts. John Williamson. Vivian Robinson.

Congrats to your team, and happy birthday to your son.

They don't need to be insanely strong to influence tiny muons. It's a big ring of very precisely calibrated magnets.

@@TheLocust830 I don’t know for sure but I’d say that, with a life of 2 micro seconds, they’d have to spin those muons pretty fast in the ring to be able to measure anything. Giving the inertia of a particle 200x heavier than the electron (which is light, I know) I’d imagine it would have to be quite a strong magnetic field...

The precision of the magnetic field's calibration is what's important and special about it, not its strength.

You wouldn't enjoy putting your hand under a magnet 10 times stronger than your fridge magnet. Hundreds--note the plural--would flatten you between two of them.

@@ApprovingSeal i was boggled when they said "4 years of calibrating, 1 year of analyzing."

HUNDREDs of times stronger!

I think this magnet is strong enough to stick YOU to your fridge, if i'm not mistaken about potentials and such.

@@Debilitator47 bold of you to assume we're not already stuck to our fridges

@@user-sl6gn1ss8p I view it as a low probability of likelihood that whatever device you're posting on would survive an EM field of that strength. There IS the possibility, but I doubt you have the finance. On a completely unrelated tangent, can someone please get me something to drink while I wait for a degaussing team to arrive? I'm stuck here to this fridge...

@@Debilitator47 oh, I see your point, and it's very sensible, but actually I'm just shouting out my posts from the kitchen - I had to get assistance since the degaussing people were busy on another call

Better get to work on that video c:

Yeye

The physics man himself

Hey Andrew

Sure this is! Great to find u here♥️

just to be pedantic. The measuerements were properbly taken with several billion muons.

it can change your life - if it shoots through your head in a wrong place (about one muon shoots through your head every second, destroying everything directly in its way - just part of natural radioactivity)

@@plopgoot5458 you beat me to the comment

Physics doesn't want to be changed. It wants to remain the same mind-numbing materialistic church.

@@visancosmin8991 brain smoothening: perhaps you should do some mathematic proofs

😂😂😂

@@JonesDTaylor Yeah but how many orders of magnitude was their sigma 5? I think that's where you see the real difference.

Let’s also applaud the fact that 200 scientists in 35 institutions in 7 countries around the world worked together to make this happen. That’s also a beautiful thing to happen.

@@BLRSharpLight Ah yes, I forgot that only either Hanford or Livingston can exist at any given moment.

@@AtlasReburdened So research teams are like waves and particles, in that once observed they collapse into one or the other. Neat! Science imitates reality. ...I want to read a book based on this premise.

Same! He does have a viddo explaining the experiment or research from a while back, before they had the results of any test runs. You mightve seen it already, but just in case anyone is interested, they can find it.

YES

Agreed!

Who's is Don? Can you give the channel name please? Thx!

@@canchamp Dr Don Lincoln is the guy on this Fermilab channel who hosts Subatomic Stories and other series

and with the splitting hairs...or is that split ends?

@@richardneumann3335 omg, I do believe that this is what drowning in precision is like....

Would you prefer rugby field? Cricket pitch? Sumo ring?

@@gyozakeynsianism I think standard shipping container should take over.

For the international football fans, perhaps the analogy goes like this: Muon g-2 experiment is awarded a free kick...but is up against the best goalkeeper in the world, the Standard Model.

underrated comment!

Possibly the biggest eyeroll ive ever made right here

Lol

Wobble baby wobble baby wobble baby wobble

ALL THE MUONS IN THE CLUB!

Why would I care that you enter a phd ?

@@visancosmin8991 it's almost like I was introduced to Engineering at Fermi Lab or something. Huh.

@@sydneylundell7720 The point of doing a job is to increase the quality of life of other people, not your ego. How is you doing engineering increases the quality of my life ?

@@visancosmin8991 apparently by giving you someone to argue with in social media.

​@@sydneylundell7720 Lol.

They do that only as long as it is within the boundaries of the materialist dogma. Otherwise, they will dismiss you immediately, in a desperate attempt to not have their dogma destroyed.

Yeah! So they briefly touched on it, but imagine doing your job for YEARS and you don't get to see if you've made a difference or not. They literally lock up the data with a hidden code so that the scientists can't mess with it and lie about results. So they all saw that and realized they've pushed closer to understanding more about the universe than any other human has ever done! Crazy!

😂😂👍

@@IntrusiveThot420 I see that you understand sarcasm

"New physics", lol. If they would have been genuine researchers, they would have tried to come up with theories for the paranormal, for which there is already "new physics" data for over a century.

Quantum Entangled Twisted Tubules: When we draw a sine wave on a blackboard, we are representing spatial curvature. Does a photon transfer spatial curvature from one location to another? Wrap a piece of wire around a pencil and it can produce a 3D coil of wire, much like a spring. When viewed from the side it can look like a two-dimensional sine wave. You could coil the wire with either a right-hand twist, or with a left-hand twist. Could Planck's Constant be proportional to the twist cycles. A photon with a higher frequency has more energy. (More spatial curvature). What if gluons are actually made up of these twisted tubes which become entangled with other tubes to produce quarks. (In the same way twisted electrical extension cords can become entangled.) Therefore, the gluons are actually a part of the quarks. Mesons are made up of two entangled tubes (Quarks/Gluons), while protons and neutrons would be made up of three entangled tubes. (Quarks/Gluons) The "Color Force" would be related to the XYZ coordinates (orientation) of entanglement. "Asymptotic Freedom", and "flux tubes" make sense based on this concept. Neutrinos would be made up of a twisted torus (like a twisted donut) within this model. Gravity is a result of a very small curvature imbalance within atoms. (This is why the force of gravity is so small.) Instead of attempting to explain matter as "particles", this concept attempts to explain matter more in the manner of our current understanding of the space-time curvature of gravity. If an electron has qualities of both a particle and a wave, it cannot be either one. It must be something else. It must be something else. Therefore, a "particle" is actually a structure which stores spatial curvature. Can an electron-positron pair (which are made up of opposite directions of twist) annihilate each other by unwinding into each other producing Gamma Ray photons.

I give you a hint: learn about consciousness.

It doesn't make any sense: how could that influence the experiment? (But thumbs up for critical thought anyhow).

This was my first thought when they said they used the same magnet again. It would certainly help to do the experiment with new equipment, but I can imagine funding for this sort of research is already hard to come by.

One advantage of using the same magnet is that the systematic error should be the same for both experiments. In other words, if both results are shifted by (say) 10 units, their relative values remain the same. Therefor we can still tell if the values are different or the same.

Good question. The parts of the magnet that influence the quality of the magnetic field (the steel blocks,not the big coil) were taken apart for shipment and reassembled. The magnet was fine-tuned over the course of a year to get much better uniformity than when it was running at Brookhaven. The corrections in the analysis to take into account the field variations are thus much smaller. And, they take a break every few days to carefully remeasure the magnet, so they know the corrections better, too. That's one of many ways that this experiment is improving on the Brookhaven measurement.

I think it just gives the same error as the previous results and then just chug it off

Congratulations to all the people who were a part of this!

That's quite sad, to be proud to be a priest of "matter".

Passionate about their gravy train, yes.

Unfortunately they don't add up simply in this way. Probably you have to make the hundred refrigerator magnets all occupy the same physical space, and then their fields will add up linearly.

God bless America

Brasil: Maracanã stadiums (seriously...) or football fields as well

But how many would fit in an area the size of Wales?

Yes, it have you not noticed how exacting the NFL is on field dimensions? See those white lines every 10m ( + or - 0.0000000000000001 ) on the field.

Yet they are still not aware of consciousness.

This sounds like a very simple question... which has me absolutely stumped. Maybe they just assume the possibility of a certain degree of systematic error? I'd love to see this question answered by somene who actually knows what they're talking about, you've got me hooked! =)

Just a mistake. They shouldn't be the same

No. Obviously.

Well, it is hundreds of times stronger then

... i.e. 23 hundred times stronger

2.3E+3 times stronger

@@smoothbrained4channer976 no, 22 hundred 99 times stronger

This so much. Glad to see I'm trained enough with the right tools.

Agreed, it doesn't oversell it but also doesn't undersell it. We have great evidence but need to keep pushing to get definitive proof that some unknown thing is happening.

Understandable to regular people = no understanding at all.

It Could be a Nobel price in a few years ONCE there is a good theory. that fits the measurements.

I think this has more long-term ramifications than one might think. This paper, on its own, is a confirmation of another seminal work so this is similar to what the second publication regarding a certain anomaly called the "photoelectric effect" must've been like over a century ago. On its own, it doesn't bring a lot to the table but helps set the table for future theoretical research

What new understanding ? Can you summarise it ?

Neah... is quite boring.

What's so exciting about it ?

me too, but not here, rather on video about muons on fermi lab channel

Sign me up!

Why ? What's so exciting about some dogmas ?

@@creamwobbly maybe he eats, somewhere else

Lol, my thoughts exactly ♥

This is absolutely boring.

How old are you friend?

When I was in my teens and early twenties I was pretty cavalier about my own demise. It didn't matter to me if I lived till the next day. Now that I'm a bit older, I've realised that it would be nice to be around for several decades just so I get answers to the kind of questions raised by experimental results like this.

@@BLRSharpLight Works for anything.

😳😉👍

I highly doubt that running as fast as you can is healthy, you shouldn't go into the anaerobic zone frequently

How about consciousness ?

all that while keep telling you that free energy is fake

They still haven't got to consciousness. So "physics" still remains a pseudoscience.

But I bet you haven't heard about the discoveries that are being made in parapsychology for over a century. So no, science doesn't evolve as you believe.

Pretty boring.

No!!!! Football good!!!!!!!!

Use metric? so you mean, like a soccer field?

He was just saying that they were close to making a discovery like they were close to making a point in a football game. He wasn’t comparing the experiment with a football game, or using the football field as a point of reference.

American here: AGREED!

This sort of stuff is why it is so frustrating when someone tries to compare science to religion and say that we "take it on faith" that theories are right. Like, if you just read a little bit of science news you will know that theories are under attack, being tested or confirmed with different approaches ALL THE TIME.

@@NortheastGamer Couldn't understand your point of view. But if it is made against my comment above, I can say that you didn't quite get the message. Because in matters about science, "faith" has no place.

Yeah, sure. =))

Why ? Did you stop all the wars ?

They're waiting for you Gordon... in the test chamber...

Lmao was not expecting this

I have wondered how often scientists in this field hear/get Halflife jokes.

SAME

How did u register for this webinar?

way past bedtime, unacceptable

Why is attending at 12.30 a problem?

@@johnjordan3552 It starts from 12:30 lol and its exam time in India so Many of us have to get up early in the morning

There was a new analysis of muon g-2 using the standard model (QED+QCD calculations) published in Nature on April 7 by Fodor et al. and their value is indeed much closer to the experimental values from Brookhaven and Fermilab.

@@FredPlanatia Do you perhaps know what the differences are from the June 2020 paper? I thought that the earlier paper also took QED and QCD calculations into consideration, so does this new paper perhaps use a different method than lattice QCD to approximate the QCD contribution?

This is awful philosophy. Good philosophy (and science) is one that studies consciousness.

Does it say anything about consciousness ? Then is nothing new. Same old boring materialist dogma.

that's because the Imperial units are so _intuitive_

That's because if all the people who have seen a football field were blades of grass, you could fill a football field with them many times over.

Try to look at the size of that magnet too.. it's 14 meter diameter (45 feet) magnet! By the way, it's not about how strong the magnetic field is, that specific strength was key and then keeping that field strength uniform and stable across that big ring is of utmost importance.

that's what I thought also.

The didn't explain why muons wobble. For that, you need to know basic electromagnetic theory.

@@ozzymandius666 Great contribution, very helpful.

@@KonekoEalain Then I'm sure you will find this helpful: Larmor precession: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larmor_precession

The ideas are not wrong (the standard model), but it may require some extra physical forces and particles that are very hard to detect.

no, a magnet that would rip your fridge through the wall

And wobble, wobble, wobble ♥

Such a boring materialistic book.

Its woke karen time.. no time for science

Bilionth mumbo-jumbo force.

Actually, it's very unlikely this will change anything we learned in school about physics. We're talking about adding to the picture here, not changing what we already know.

The science we mostly learn in school, has been corrected over so many years. Also, it's basic science, so there must not be any change but addition in current basics

dude we approximate pi as 3.14 in calculations in school...and you think a change from 2.00233183620... to 2.00233184080.. will change the school physics...even accelaration due to gravity was 10m/s^2 bruh..

Short answer: they never actually need to measure that. Long answer: The experiment induces a wobble (Larmor precession) using an external magnetic field. The amount of wobble is directly proportional to the value 'g' they want to measure and it increases the kinetic energy of the muons. When the muons decay, some the decay products, positrons, have their kinetic energy measured by calorimeters. Since their energy came from the muons it's also proportional to g. Obviously there are a lot of factors to account for to achieve the outstanding precision of the result they just announced, but this is the basic chain of reasoning from what I've read as a layperson.

No, as they said it's symmetric, at centre it's effect will cancel out.