Yea ik right its sad that nict had to die on the end...

Kinda but the FFIV The After Years main cast defeated the actual creator of the universe (and possibly even all of the universes on FF as a whole) meanwhile the strongest one you mentioned there was XIII's Bhunivelze who could create entire worlds something that was only the dream and objective of Ultima also an important distinction here is that Clive and Noctis are defeating their villains on their own Lightning isn't she is possibly still stronger than them but it's not like she no diffs or something like that she had A LOT of help to put Bhunivelze down and wasn't even the most defining factor on Bhunivelze's defeat also don't sleep on FFVII Chaos form Vincent from Dirge of Cerberus or WoL from XIV they are on that same weight category as well

Yeah, that's like cheated compared to "normal humans". Even Terra is part Esper so that's kind of unfair to compare them.

​@DeathCanHaveMeWhenItEarnsMe tbf 14s WoL has plenty of help. We do far more with help than we do with a team. Noctis just has hacks (that's not a bad thing btw) but individual strength I don't think he beats Lightning. Folks kinda forget Lightning can control time n such on top of her ridiculous power. I love em all though

@@zelohendricks51 fair points but on WoL i think it was made clear that canonically we don't fight as a team in XIV is that not the case now? (i haven't played XIV in a while) on Nocts case it's more than just hacks tho for example XIII "gods" aren't very into displays of strength power most are just mechanical beings that are incredibly strong but i personally don't view as above as the XV ones (it should have been the case when XV was gonna be Versus XIII but that idea didn't end up being cannon) as for the actual feats Titan from XV catches a meteor and stopped it mid fall and carried it with him on his back for milenia no issues and with the blade of the Mystic Noctis can parry and repel attacks from that Titan and remember that's just kid pre True King Noctis and then there is the Alterna working on XV's Adamantoise (a being older than the XV world itself so a being who lives as long as worlds got killed by one hit of Alterna) situation sure they are haxs but they're incredibly powerful ones I'm not claiming that Noctis is overall stronger than Redeemer Lightning should be by XIII-LR but people at times pretend like she's on another level to other "top tier" protagonists or something wich isn't the case imo since most of them did everything mostly by themselves but again Bhunivelze Lightning got the most help out of the top tier and since L-Cie can harm Bhunivelze imo Light wasn't really all that much above the other XIII cast although she truly was divine by then but considering how Ardyn could do broken stuff like corrupting and turning "gods" into slaves in XV its not that crazy to think that true king Noctis who faced Ardyn on a 1V1 isn't kinda close to that level on some ways too especially his final attack wich can kill virtually inmortal beings and destroy their inmortal souls perpetually wich is an "immortality" tier that the non Bhunivelze or Caius Ballard XIII "gods" or other characters lack and remember Lightning didn't "defeated" Bhunivelze on her own (and it was Caius who did the most in the end) and she actually lost to Caius once too because she couldn't kill him Ardyn's immortality is similar to Caius' immortality although both have different sources of course and therefore aren't exactly the same thing but what i mean by that is that they are both virtually unkillable yet true king Noct did manage to kill Ardyn (albeit at the cost of his life) Light on the other hand failed at doing this on both XIII-2 against Caius and on XIII-LR against Bhunivelze (who granted is much stronger than Ardyn) in the end this is redundant but kinda makes my point clear these hax should definitely be capable of killing Light imo even if she is Etro's successor

Sorry bro, now Clive is here

​@@wolfy-normi1243What does Clive have to do with Noctis's accomplishments lmao

​@@kurimiaisukurimuit's the devil may cry and God of war fans coming recently played XVI but they don't know anything about the rest of the games

​@@xiiir838you are literally attacking 2 communities that did literally nothing wrong. I cannot call you a ff fan.

​@@xiiir838what did we expect in modern day yt its full of 12 year olds

And he didn’t actually need to fight 3 of his summons ramuh, shiva, and the good version of garuda pulled up to him willingly giving him their power because lets be honest they some real ones for sure

Luna used talk no jutsu and it was super effective, noctis come in for the finish.

​@@darkyozora1222pullt up listening to Gucci Mane

@@jerichofields909 lmao 😂😂😂😂😂

But so are the twins (from WoFF not from FFIV) and they don't die in the end, and can summon whenever they want instead of being up to RNG.

yea it's crazy to me that nobody acknowledge XIV warrior of light he's beyond the realm of gods

Coze nobody cares abot 14

@@jeje4131Only those that haven’t played it. It has arguably the best story of the entire series.

@@the_argus5142 I played it. ARR story is just basic, heavensword is great, stormblood is horrible. Endwalker by the time I reached it the quest system made me hate the game. Ff14 has the worst quest system ever made in a game

In my opinion Warrior Of Light may be strong asf, but beings/characters like Noctis and Lightning are in another far dimensional level of power. Warrior Of Light is probably universal level at best, but Noctis is definitely multiversal and Lightning is definitely high outerversal. She's definitely up there with Dante, Vergil, Wukong, Doomslayer, and Kratos in terms of overall power.

Yea noctis is one of the ff caracters that i like the most its just so sad that he died on the end and than he's friends gladiolus prompto and ignis have such a hard backstory

@@user-hm5tz7zj9q yeah almost everything about ff 15 is pretty underrated. It's great in my opinion

@@lmaomax4341 yea exactly

He has alaways been underated and now some are even claiming that the XVI verse is above the XV verse wich isnt the case XVI Bahamut is said to be able to *burn* the world with his absolute strongest attack meanwhile FFXV Bahamut was gonna *destroy* the world on dawn of the future and Ultima also could not do this not even if he had possesed Clive since Clive was not really the perfect logos he wanted and ultimately his body died to a much smaller scale spell

@@lmaomax4341It's literally my opinion

FFIV The After Years.

Cringe

For now, I think the Top 3 are : 1. Lightning 2. Clive 3. Noctis yeah, this is still debatable...

Lightning is trash Noctis clears her easy

@@Scatter_Shotff9 cope. just because you dont like lightning doesnt mean she's weaker than Noctis.

​@@Fa__abdi you didn't finish 13 didn't you

@@Scatter_Shotff9as much as I hated 13, noctis is indeed the strongest MC in ff

Whatever…

You're right. Time Compression is the end of everything.

he literally has godly powers, can control time, can’t draw and cast magic from other enemies basically making him a better version of that person he’s fighting, he can also make his gunblade 40x times its normal size and extend it to space, he can use Ariel circle to blow up half a field and finally his ultimate LionHart literally sends the enemy to a different dimension…

Why r u saying Squall is a ordinary when everybody except Zidane, Terra, Vincent and lightning r too? I agree he definitely shouldn't be number 9 and definitely top 3. The list is definitely wrong and seems like bias

@@therealquis323 cloud is - mako infused super soldier and Terra is part Esper, making her part god basically. When I said this originally, I meant that although Squall can do all this crazy shit with his limit breaks and all that, in the game he is just a human mercenary. No super soldier, no esper, no Angel of destruction, no literal god.

It genuinely amazes me that people power scale the main characters of the different entries in the series to each other when each game is in its own little contained universe with its own logic and only slight connections to one another, so who the hell knows how these characters' powers and abilities would interact with one another.

Nobody hates final fantasy fans more than final fantasy fans

@@IncarnationOfNeutralityDissidia.

Zack was stronger but cloud surpassed him.

​@@darkpromeathean937which mean, cloud better than zack right?

I agree, but it is also worth remembering cloud only managed to do this thanks to the jenova cells. Because of mako zack's cells were not pure, this limits him to human capabilities.

@@TFJ77 Human capabilities? He defeated bahamut, bahamut zero and minerva A LITERAL goddess. Well that was easy, you guys are too easy

@@TFJ77 cloud naturally had Body like sephiroth which means S class cells and it was proved when sephiroth stabbed cloud when he was just an operator soldier but nevertheless he lifted sephiroth instead by grabbing his katana which was stabbed in him and threw sephiroth in the depths of jenova and cloud didn’t die and even when he was suffering shinra started experiments on his body and when Mako was finally fused with him, his mind broke but got the powers.Now in ff7 rebirth they will most likely show how cloud gets fixed.that’s why when he became a soldier he was stronger and faster than Zack naturally and in ff advent children cloud became many times stronger as he created his new fighting style with new skills and new power.

Bro cast death

*Casually decompresses an entire mountain turtle with nothing but a ring into a black hole*

I would say Lightning is still stronger.

@@mattblazefire7999not even close?

even when i hate ff13 and lightning. she's still in top spot, she beat the absolute god of her world while clive fight the uncomplete ultima (also an absolute god of his world) if clive defeat ultima in his complete form then there'll be a debate on who's stronger between these 2 characters. but sadly it wont happen cuz if ultime regain his form then it means clive died because he's a vessel for ultima

@@ivanfadillah8934 ultima stronger than the ff13 god even without his prime form

​@@ivanfadillah8934clive absorved Ultima power and turn into Logos.

Fr bro literally fought the moon

How is she a diva? She is actually a very sweet girl.

Considering she (helped) beat Kefka, she should be higher.

Ff 1 wol is so underrated he’s the captain America of final fantasy but he also beat final fantasy satan beat the four fiends twice most likely on his own canonically

If you take Stranger of Paradise as canon (which I do by the way) WoL is stupidly strong since he beat Jack (who can punch magic out of people) at his strongest and then beat Chaos.

He is a First Class Soldier without genova Cell, Cloud wont be alive without Zack ...

@@fachrimrachman153Actually Zack wouldn’t be alive without Cloud…. Cloud literally stopped Sephiroth from finishing all 3 of them off….including Zack….

They're pretty much equal, like Genesis Zack Angeal Cloud Weiss Vincent etc are all quite big hitters, sadly some's feats do not go with the title 🤣

Zack is a much better fighter and far more consistent. Cloud has his emotional amps and catches people off guard. If they square up either of them could win with all the variables. They're both dope

​@@trentstringer5144There is so much cope

Ramsa beat almost every god and then the god of creation and destruction for the laugh

All FF protagonists effectively kill God at the end of their stories

​@@garadak7.What happened to Ramza at the end?

​​@@Chelaxim he and his crew lived and is living another story, the own creator of the game said it.

​@garadak7. Sure. But if we are grabbing prime versions of these characters, Squall is running over cloud and Zack. Him at 10 is ridiculous

Clive "borrowed" the Eikons from other people and noctis had powers from his grandads and Sean Bean.

Lightning literally beat god by herself.

No way lightning still tops 1 and noctis is still 2nd because of his Rinh of lucis and can just wish someone away and clive 3rd because to be honest he is to op he might even be at the same level with noctis but im still sticking noctis to 2nd and clive to 3rd

Yeah cloud is the goat 🐐

Cause some one have a fight with so much People at the same time and still protect Cloud. But at the end of FF7 is Cloud stronger than Zack. Maybe because projekt G and Cloud are an other master piece besides of Sephiroth.

not as strong as zack and still got bodied by a sephiroth clone meanwhile zack did not try to kill sephiroth in the end and was just talking him into being good because it was his friend and it was the real sephiroth not a clone and even then sephiroth could not kill zack for the 2nd time in a row@@dogdude69

Welp bcoz the plot armor lol

Zack has a lot more individual feats

Just the fact that she can summon all the aeons and the ultimate one to beat Sin is enough to be ranked among the strongest characters.

Squall is stronger. He could kill Ultimicia absorbed all of time and space 4D universal And fought in a singarity without relying on the time=distance formula Immeasurable speed

She loses her ability to summon after X and then in -Will- she goes back to being a naive Yevon worshiper.

@@Sivrn-Valwhy does she lose her ability to summon bc the events of sin in 10?

​@devonleavitt1771 During the final battles of FFX, Yu Yevon possessed her aeons, and she and the team had to kill them. And, once Yu Yevon was defeated, she sent them to the Farplane.

Yesssir same Tidus is the goat

😂

I mean, he didn't specify that they were ranked by strength. Cloud is definitely alot stronger by the end of VII. But although it was an optional fight that might not even be canon, Zack DID duel Minerva, the goddess of the planet who can mess with the lifestream.

​@@BloodTrinityThe Unwinnable battle in crisis core Are literally the weakest enemies in final fantasy seven.

Having not played thier games I cant speak to 1 and 2. But Warrior of Light being last??? BEHIND VAAN? How? In trying to put it as quickly as possible how are masters of every fighting style and casting style behind a wannabe episode 4 luke skywalker with an Abercrombie sponsorship? Does Vaan even qualify as a MC and if so idk that he beats out anyone in his party.

Bro forgot that cloud had his friends just to defeat all major enemies Meanwhile Zack fought genesis alone and goddesses minerva and defeated bahamut at his teenage years and it took many bullets and missiles just to Defeat Zack.

​@@louismantush6296 lightning has actual visual feats in the final battle of 13-3. Like not unexplainable things like sephiroth using supernova and the planet being fine.

Nobody saying lightning isn't number 1 played any XIII game

it's true😏👍❤️

Never played, why is lightning the strongest? Not disputing, I’m just genuinely curious

@@notimportant8643 * She moves at the speed of light * Is a trained soldier originally, then became the Warrior Goddess, champion of the original creator of the FFXIII life in the universe, then spend centuries fighting one of the most powerful men in the universe (so lots of combat experience). * Has access to all summons/eikons existing in her universe, which are biomechanical beings capable to turn into vehicles. * Can command hordes of thousands of monsters which also have magical powers. * She also has access to a wide range of spells, from Firaga, Blizzaga , etc, to their most powerful versions like Hail. * She has access to Valhalla, basically the realm where magic originates and where human souls go, then go back, and she can control said souls, so all humans alive can be turned into energy to power up attacks. * She can also change her style of combat, ranging from highly attack focus, magic focus or defense focus type of "armour". * At the end of her saga, she becomes the God of the new human world, so people think she's actually immortal, at least from age.

​@@notimportant8643Lightning isn't the strongest she's number two or three and can be defeated by any of the next 3 to 5 protagonist bellow her she only ranks high because her villain is #2 on the strongest Villains on mainline FFs (so long as you include sequels since Bhunivelze is from a sequel) the strongest protagonist is Cecil from FFIV The Afteryears who with the help of his party defeated the Creator of either the FFIV universe or of all the FF universes depending on how you interpret it meanwhile Bhunivelze (Lightnings main villain on her last game) is a world maker (he can also create gods) and just to put him in perspective he is above Ultima from XVI because he can casually create worlds that can sustain life in just about 500 years meanwhile to create a world (using a previous world as the ingredient) Ultima needs to set in motion a multiple thousands of years plan Bhunivelze can also do broken stuff like getting to a plannet and *willing* that no human on that planet ages from that day onwards (500 years passed and no one aged a day) he is pretty strong but The Creator is higher since unlike Bhunivelze he's not only creating worlds he's creating at least a universe and all life on it also don't get catfished into believing Lightning is the strongest FF protagonist she didn't fought him alone or anything like that and couldn't even kill him (the villain from her previous game is the actually big PP dude who kept Bhunivelze contained for all eternity a villain who very canonically defeated her in the previous game)

Facts crazy that he can hold his own without any power ups or boosts he’s just cracked as is

hes only a rly fast guy but overall tidus is weak

and yuna is the protagonist of 10 🥱

@@noirlexx yuna makes sure the bed is soft at night more like

@@devonleavitt1771 the whole story revolves around yuna, its about her pilgrimage, just told from tidus pov. he’s just the love interest and there for yuna’s character growth 🥹

I have seen a lot of that but people saying that Lightning is #1 clearly haven't played FFIV The After Years ...

​@@Force-MultiplierDid anyone in that game create a new universe?

@@Chelaxim the main villain is called The Creator and its implied that he at least created and monitored most if not all or life in a universe or many universes Bhunivelze from XIII-LR wich is what i feel your next comment is gonna be about *didn't create a universe* Bhunivelze created *two planets* not a universe not even life in more than 2 confirmed planets The original XIII Planet aka Pulse and the planet to where they flee after the end of XIII-LR wich took him 500 years to create the statement from The Creator is about countless types of lifeforms in all the universe unlike both the known and implied things we know about Bhunivelze wich is just two planets and possibly more however they're not described as countless or even multiple

​@@Force-Multiplierit literally takes other Gods millions of years to do shit, it only took Bhunivelze 500. He also stopped all humans from aging for 500 years whereas most gods in games can't seem to revive anything for shit lmao

@@weenapeeen im well aware of the aging part im sure i have even mentioned it in the comments somewhere here but the millions of years part ... yeah not really it took our god millions of years to make the universe I take it you're not a religious? The Bible begins with the Book of Genesis, in which God creates the Earth, the rest of the Universe, and the Earth's plants and animals, including the first humans, in six days this isn't a downplay to Bhunivelze or anything since the god of most of our race is allegedly omnipotent but the difference between him and this one is immense and we have no other gods to speak of that has an exact date on what time it took the creator to create what he allegedly made

Play FFIV the after years to find an absolute stomp play FXIII for find a rival that is kinda stronger than him Play XIV to find someone who is also kinda stronger than Noct and is still getting stronger Play XVI to find someone who ends up a bit stronger than Noct with the Power of the True King and the Kings of Lucis at the very end Play VII Dirge of Cerberus to find another protagonist on that tier list don't get me wrong all the non FFIV ones are actually kinda relatable to each other in power but #1 is not Noct nor Clive

Almost everybody on the list stronger than noctis. He jus his the hax

​@@Force-Multipliertfym "kinda stronger" Lightning claps them all and is no.1 I do believe it has been officially started by the developers and stuff.

@@weenapeeen the only dev that said that was Motmu Toriyama the director of XIII and you're not even quoting him properly he said "strongest heroine" he also has no authority on other FF IPs nor had he even worked on the other relevant titles and he made that statement well before XIV or XV and XVI reached the stage that they are in now powerwise that's what i effing mean! and even if he had said so he has no authority on other IPs for wich he wasn't a lead dev at the very least much less the ones he didn't worked on

​@@marquisburrelluhm no noctis is literally secound to lighting g being 1 noctis is the strongest by far if u don't count lighting he's to broken with his full ring and ful arsenal of powerful weapons and he knows how to use all of them

Lol

No and I hate the fact he did it wrong.

Claire farron*

He insanely Strong, he is more powerful than Cloud easy

actually FFIV has the strongest cast after a power up :) The FFIV protagonists in the Afteryears sequel defeated The Creator the only actually universal being on the villains list of FF he actually created either the FF universe and all life in that verse PLUS quite possibly other FF universes as well

Bartz can attack up to 8 times in a single turn, that's some OP stuff right there, Cecil beats a moon god guy, WoL beats FF equivalent of the Devil, and Firion...well, nobody played FFII anyways...

Nobody cares about ff14

Thats FFI warrior of light…

They are waiting for lightning to come and cut them in half😂😆😁

Very true also Cloud>Zack

Before death Zack was def better

Actually they're above

@@currentoutrage36 you must be a great comedian for thinking that

WoL killed Jack Garland, that's not some easy stunt to pull off.

Chaos.

I agree, someone made a theory that FF13 is a prequel to FF7, but I think that is not true and it's just made up lol.

@@marksullivan00 Final Fantasy X on the other hand literally is the Prequel to VII

@@bigtatsu Sure

Clive is either number 1 or 2 he can transform into a fused version of 2 Eikons and even stopped a zetta flare which is a giant feat

@@Temperance_XVII exactly my point

He'll definitely give Lightning a run for her money in a fight.

​@@marksullivan00 Yeah but once time magic gets involved Clive is cooked.

@@qr5393 Yeah good point

Lightning>>>😊

8 attacks in a turn (yeah it's turn based, based on him) can learn every skill in the game, is the "rival" to the franchise's best character and beats up a powerful tree man to death, he breaks the turn based game and yet they put him at last place.

Probably because people don’t want to spoil the game Clive is definitely up there though haven’t beat the game yet but he’s at least top 3. In his ifrit form he’s incredibly strong and fast as well as extremely durable having run a couple miles in seconds he clashed against probably the strongest incarnation of Titan ( for a size comparison think Kratos vs Kronos from god of war in size) and shrugged off a direct blow. In his human form he’s an incredibly skilled swordsman able to channel all the eikons powers including their strongest attacks such as gigaflare diamond dust etc. He’s also taken a direct hit from Odin twice so far the first time going down the second he was still standing and at this point Odin flat out said he hadn’t reached his full potential and that at his strongest Odin wouldn’t be a mach for him who for a power scaling reference split the sea with a single swing of his sword all the way to the sea bed and it stayed parted until Odin decided to let it fall. Clive also has a second form which combines the power of Ifrit with the power of phoenix to create Ifrit Risen whos faster than light and was clashing with Bahamut who at the time ate one of the crystals an unlimited source of power making him strong enough to destroy the world in one hit and also faster than light. Even if Clive isn’t stronger than them he’d still be a tough opponent leaving them heavily injured. ( I’ll update this later after I beat the game )

@@knightblade0188oh and Clive absorbed the Phoenix and became Ifrit risen, which could take down Ultima prime, who created humanity in FF16, and then beat ultimalius in his normal form, who was stronger than Ultima prime by a very large margin

​@@knightblade0188 Titan Lost is not that bigger than Ifrit.

@@QuaestorL replay the game

Yeah i think even squall is stronger than zack

he did not even get close to manhandled that was cloud at the end where he was op cloud could not take down a sephiroth clone like he did before because before he had 4 others and more to kill sephiroth but alone he killed a clone that was on baby mode because he could have killed cloud whenever in advent children and remember this is clouds peak and he got bodied by sephiroth and it was zack to help cloud take sephiroth (clone) down which if you are saying he got manhandled you have not played the game because he was not trying to kill sephiroth meanwhile sephiroth was trying to kill him and sephiroth could not kill him 2 times and was using full power and full strength and had to flee from the fight and even then zack took a army of soldiers and still killed a ton after the fight protecting cloud which if he did not he would be alive and cloud dead

Azem (us) is a god who kill other gods, so....

So true 🤣 Chaos Vincent from Dirge of Cerberus is the only VII protagonist that actually deserves to be that high up LMBO

If you play cc you will know he can solo a goddess

They dont only a handful of FF fans have actually played all the games to know and judging from the comments there are few of them here but its usually the ones who arent being absolutist about who wins since most of the top tier FF verses are relative (the strongest verse isnt tho since its fucking broken)

@@Dixie-Normus-Truethese people are saying they stronger by favoriting

Lore

The issue with this kind of ranking is that its arbitrary power scaling at best and a popularity contest at worst. Like, if Zack is considered strong enough to be number 3 because he defeated a god-like entity in a side quest (so its not even canon), then he has no business being gunned down by regular old Shinra soldiers, and yet he does. It's the classic confounding of gameplay mechanics with actual meaningful story feats.

Best steal

I followed FF series for a while and I can guarantee you that Lightning is number 1 (as much as I hate FF13). Clive is in the top 5 but it's hard to rank between Noctis FF15, Clive FF16, Terra FF6 and Warrior of Light FF14. They all have their own broken af abilities or insane feats. But just personal opinion it be like this. 1. Lightning 2. Noctis 3. Clive 4. WoL 5. Terra 6. Everyone else

@faizyuki sounds good to me

​@@faizyukiI like your list but Cecil from FFIV the afteryears is leagues beyond Lightning The Creator>>>Bhunivelze Bhunivelze from XIII-LR is a world maker The Creator from IV-TA is an universal maker and doesn't just create space it created all life in it

@@Force-Multiplier that's a sick name bro

@@XDtko 🗿🤝🗿

this list is clueless even without counting FFIV The Afteryears in the base FFIV game the party defeats the gigant of Babil wich is built like a Kaiju on steroids ... Vaan is just a teen with a dream heck i doubt he beats Basch or Balthier

Bartz like Firion is a do everything but only because of crystals, while the first we can assume he trained on all combat skills.

Craziest thing i ever seen Cecil from FFIV The Afteryears should be #1 mofo defeated the literal creator of the universe but you see 3 dozens of people here going crazy with "XIV WoL" "Noctis" "Clive" "Lightning" like WTF are they on 😂 none of their villains come even close to The Creator

He's not the Main character

Let's hope Donald gets a KH spinoff so we can put him on the top of the list 😂