Thanks for addressing my question! Jzk

Dr Van Putten I have read and heard your work on Quran. As a Muslim i respect, admire and value your unbiased and fair opinions. It’s only for Allah to pass judgments - may be Allah value you a lot more for being honest than many many dishonest Muslims. Your research has strengthened my faith in Quran.

that was a great discussion .. my sincere respect and appretiation for their manners and their work .. God bless

This was an absolute pleasure to listen to.

Nice, mature, and frank conversation. I enjoyed it

Great conversation. Good academic scholarship interrogates the claims, assumptions & pretensions of the subject.....with no bias. Formulate the right questions & wrestle to extract the answers: Fides quaerens intellectum (faith seeking understanding)....

Amazing discussions - muslim/nonmuslim Quran is for everyone to ponder upon.

Lol, I read that book of T. Bauer! Very fascinating! It gives you a comprehensive birds eye view but also with the bird eye's sharpness. There are here and there positions I don't agree but what a perspective that puts a lot of things in 'perspective'! It also solved a lot off issues I had. I truly enjoyed it.

Re: grammaticality of ان هاذان ... It's a very common development in Arabic (and many other languages) that grammatical number is relaxed, simplified, dropped. We see this process in modern Arabic dialects especially, whereas MSA is a hypercorrection of the classical form. Notably, all purported "grammatical errors" in the Quran are the result of this expectation of grammatical number agreement on plural and dual nouns. There may have been a time pre-Quranically when number agreement of plurals and duals was inviolable, but clearly that was not the case by the late 6th century and onward. The Quran as a historical document is evidence to this as any descriptivist linguist worth his weight in salt will acknowledge this evolutionary phase in the language.

For me now, I don't care if my faith get shaken, I passed over it, I just want to know the truth! In the end, it is "Al Haqqu min rabbikum" anyway.

As a Mulsim, I found the discussion to be really insightful and really valuable but there were some questions that I couldn't help but wish that there were in there, maybe for a future video ? For Sheikh Saed: As a Muslim, what do you think as a Muslim about the research done by Gabriel Reynolds and the like regarding the question of oral vs written composition especially when it comes to the subject of quranic doublets, triplets and so on and the question of a single author vs multiple authors ? And as for Professor Marijn: What do you think as a non-Muslim and as scholar studying the Quran is the aspect of the quran that in your opinion gets most misunderstood by Muslims and non Muslims alike ?

Very good discussion only critique is to allow Dr Putten to finish his sentences off, too much interjecting. Both guys demonstrated a lot of knowledge to the lay person.

Al-'awāmm listened and were impressed.

السلام علیکم. Bro... when are we gonna be able to buy the translation you and ustadh nouman were working on???

Bismillah Salaamu alaikum everyone. For me there are so many questions left unanswered. Please if Allah (SWT) facilitates another opportunity to speak to an non-Muslim academic about Islam and or the Quran let them speak more InshaAllah.

Marijn van Putten, the idea that the non-Muslims / secular academics do carry biases just as the Muslim narratives carry, which he accepts, nevertheless that he is insisting that the very idea irritates him is part of the problem, as I watched an interview on the KZfaq probably some time this year if I could remember at all that I gathered that he wasn't interested - based on what he was saying - what the Qur'aan had to say but that he was interested in linguistically and its origins and the differences in the vocalisations of the words as written down or narrated by narratives of the different Qiraa'aat of the Qur'aan, and giving more importance to the vocalisations of the Arabic dialects rather than the three Qur'aanic vowels "a, aa; i, ii; u, uu" and the desinential inflection based on those three short and long vowels. However, how can anyone Muslim or non-Muslim trace the origin of the words when the Qur'aan itself says that it is an Arabic Qur'aan and at the same time one ignores to relate how the Qur'aan is telling, using the Arabic words, the story of the creation (the whole Qur'aan is a creation story including the guidance being given to humans in the direction to returning to their Creator Allaah and warning against taking the direction opposite to their Creator Allaah), without understanding the Qur'aanic creation story it is impossible to trace the origin of the Qur'aanic words in the different Qiraa'aat (which 80-90 % agreements between them go back to an original written source and not the human memories as human Muslim traditional writings may indicate) and as many secular say the Qur'aan relates similar common personal names to the Bibles therefore the Qur'aan is a copy of the the Bibles without proof whatsoever other than hearsays or opinionated explanations; but this can simply be clarified by understanding Qur'aanic creation from the Arabic Qur'aan itself and understanding how Qur'aanic creation is directly related to how Allaah the Creator is communicating to its audiences at all times, through His Nabii' / Nabiyy and Rasuul, that how they are created and the direction that their lifes is being given and warned is the same! And not studying the Qur'aanic creation by relating to the human, Muslim, tradicional narratives and explanations! As humans we assume and no need to assume that the Qur'aan directly is Allaah's words and His Qur'aanic creation explains best to give us a better understanding of Zawj "Pair /Couple" or simply "contrasting duality in one" {contrasting Masculine and "Feminine / Masculine plural" in one} and {including contrasting duality of Creation and Evolution in one which is part of the Creation by singular imperative masculine "Kun"! = "Be"! 19:67, 18:51, 113:1-5 and 3:59; 15:86 and 36:81; 71:14; 18:50, 7:11-13, 2:35-39, 41:37} and the relation between the Non-Physical Infinitive Finite Allaah the Creator to His Nabii' / Nabiyy and Rasuul and as source to plurals us humans {Banuu- / Banii-Aadam and Banuu- / Banii-Israa'iil} {Kitaab "Qur'aan" and Kutub within the Qur'aan 98:3} and to rest on the this Earth and the rest that exist! As humans, we are Zombies, let the Arabic Qur'aan speak directly, coherently and from internally, instead of human tradicional narratives! There is no Alexander or any other human king selected by people's talks or hearsays / leader historical (whatever that is) or fictional in the Qur'aan! Muslim narratives and Bibles are both human narratives, the human narratives shouldn't be imposed onto the Qur'aan! People's reading who wrote it down (Mutašaabihaatun) shouldn't be confused with the original unknown written source of the Qur'aan (Ummu-lKitaabi) which should be the correct Arabic! Allaah vs humans!

A VERY interesting video. I always thought Dr. Putten was a Muslim or he didn't talk about being Muslim or a non Muslim. 😁

4:44 Yeḥulfa i yiman-nnes dakken yegzem yiwen ur yelli d ineslem la yeqqar Kurɛan. Acḥal d taḥercit!

Timestamps - 1:35:46 - 1:36:30 - "Musaddiqan lima bayna yadayhi" -(also see Suras 5:43-48, 5:66-68,10:94, 2:44, 2:85-91, 2:121, 18:27, Jami' at-Tirmidhi 2653, Sunan Abi Dawud 4449, etc)... Could "Allah" not have made it very clear that what the Jews and Christians have is not trustworthy? It says the exact opposite. Is Allah a liar, a deceiver, or can't communicate properly? Does he like pseudo-Gnostic games where only a select enlightened few understand a coded message (the alleged most important message in human history?)

"Divide the Quran by 19 and multiply it by 16 and Alllah will come out" lol this is the most hilarious thing I've ever heard

Dear Sohaib Saeed, will you be reading Stephen Shoemaker's "Creating the Qur’an: A Historical-Critical Study"? It is just out. And what Fred Donner says about it just cannot be ignored.

no grammatical mustake in quran

There is no such thing as islamophobia.

You’re retreating throughout the entire conversation probably because you knew that all evidence available is pointing towards human origin of the Quran not divine. But as you know as a man of faith you find every reason why it could possible mean something else.