on one hand... yes. Sure you can see the impact of internal stresses (residual from the button swaging that cuts the rifling) opening the bore as material is removed from the tube's OD. This is not particularly surprising. I've also read that it's not an issue with single-point cut-rifled, which also would not be surprising if you think about the manufacturing stresses. On the other hand, this video doesn't prove anything relating to accuracy, but rather it proves what a good metallurgist or material scientist would have told you; things with residual stresses sometimes warp when you cut them. What it doesn't directly prove is that it's definitely detrimental to accuracy. I'm sure the muzzle bore belling outward isn't helping anything either, but when you can go buy button rifled threaded barrels from any number of premium outfits (proof, lilja, shilen, criterion, mcgowan, bergara, et al) that shoot sub MOA all day... well maybe it doesn't really matter in the end. What you have here is actually only evidence (not necessarily proof). To become proof you have to establish a cause-effect relationship of a documented observance. I think you'd need to do a comprehensive test with several dozen barrels of various types of manufacture to see if this evidence you posted actually contributes to the stated conclusion that 5/8-24 threading is detrimental. For example, take several barrels with target muzzles and crowns and then gage them and then shoot them. Thread 3/4" leaving the crown untouched, gage them, and then shoot. Thread 5/8" leaving the crown untouched, gage them, and then shoot. Thread 9/16" leaving the crown untouched, gage them, and then shoot. Then look at the results comparing each barrel to it's previous iterations. It should be pretty controlled because you've got the same chamber, barrel, crown, and load.
@SigmaSheepdog3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Many years ago I was told by a salesman at Knights Armament Company that they do not thread the muzzles of their SR-25 barrels because it "messes up the crown of the barrel." He didn't explain why, but now I know. I also had a 6.5 Grendel rifle from Alexander Arms which had a 3/4 x28 threaded muzzle which I thought was very odd, but now I know why.
@NicolasPoirier6 жыл бұрын
I stumbled across this video looking for information on threading my current 223 Barrel, and this is actually pretty interesting makes me rethink what I'll thread mine as. Thanks for the info
@rongwang87574 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that insightful and informative demonstration.
@frankgreen5139 жыл бұрын
Nice video! We get these questions all the time. I say run the largest thread diameter that is possible. Also what you are seeing is common with button rifled barrels. The machine work is relieving any residual stress in the barrel and it causes the bore to open up/go sour. Frank Bartlein Barrels
@gretah39697 жыл бұрын
Machining the OD of a tube will cause the ID to increase, this is well known to machinists.
@mawalst15 жыл бұрын
Were the barrels checked before threading?
@rufusleers6 жыл бұрын
The owner of bartlein barrels is adamant about using only 3/4 diameter threads on precision rifles.
@pstewart54432 жыл бұрын
Which is odd given Bartlein claims single point cut barrels don't suffer from this, therefore, why would the owner of Bartlein state something like this? I've had Bartlein barrels that were threaded 5/8-24, XCalibur, Remington, Ruger, McGowan, MPA, Benchmark, etc & I've never seen a drop in accuracy due to the threading.
@MrKadidle513 жыл бұрын
Interesting
@commonsense79243 жыл бұрын
May be a silly question. What if you thread leaving the gauge pin in. Would that help prevent the swelling and keep the bore to size may be a little hard removing the pin but ????
@nunayobusiness33844 жыл бұрын
OK got a question, I’m getting old, I have a 300 win mag I love. I’ve wanted to have my barrel threaded for a suppressor, are you saying I’m going to lose my crown? The firearm is a Weatherby Accumark USA made, I’ve been shooting sub MOA for some years, Tub final finished barrel years ago. What would you recommend, thanks
@Mack89073 жыл бұрын
Yes and no... you would still have a chamfer on the rifle which will assist in the same way. However, the suppressor will negate the traditional crowning on the rifle though the suppressor companies have their own methods of doing the same thing on the newly threaded rifle.
@fentonpainter79072 жыл бұрын
Don’t do it. Cutting metal off the end of your barrel will reduce the stress and open up the ID like a trumpet for the length of the thread; just when the projectile is about to leave the barrel. If you don’t mind messing with your current rifle instead of buying another one for use with a suppressor, then cut the thread at 3/4 x 28.
@fentonpainter79072 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to cut the rifling after cutting the 5/8 x 24 thread?