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MX vs. ADV! KTM 1190 Adventure R & 450SX-F vs. Honda Africa Twin & CRF450R | On Two Wheels

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Motorcyclist Magazine

Motorcyclist Magazine

7 жыл бұрын

Can an ADV bike hack it on a motocross track? Honda and KTM’s flagship ADVs face off against their motocross siblings. Watch what happens!
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Sometimes it seems like Zack and Ari are looking for ways to hurt themselves. When they locked and loaded KTM’s 1190 Adventure R and Honda’s Africa Twin for a test, it made sense-then they added a KTM 450SX-F and a Honda CRF450R. Motocross bikes. There was a lot of head scratching going on around the office, and with the boss out of town, nobody asked what they were up to. When they returned (banged up and grinning like idiots) with this footage, we realized what they were so excited about.
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@take5th
@take5th 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve been riding for 45 years, and that was not a silly thing to do. Not many of us own multiple bikes. Not many older riders are in good dirt-bike shape physically, revealed immediately on the track, and any experienced rider knows that 500 pounds isn’t graceful without exceptional “powers.” Most of us can never compare, and seeing both extreme ends of the spectrum may have turned out as expected, but not silly to see how that came about exactly. I started on motocross, so I have my most feverish recollections about the jump I nailed, or slide I pulled off, etc., back in 1976! So when I mount a bike today, those thoughts are right there...but the bike usually is certainly not. Even on a 300 lb drz400, one needs to be in pretty good shape to handle the demands of standing, flexing, knee-squeezing, etc. that’s required to hustle around in loose dirt or, god forbid, sand. So glad to see two guys, skilled, on the edge of middle age (ha-ha...sorry!) and trying to go to the track on 500 lb bikes with no recent experience. I am really glad you had trouble, and thank you for being so honest about it. Keep up the informative, entertaining, professional, and relevant videos.
@EbolaSquirrel
@EbolaSquirrel 4 жыл бұрын
you're awesome.
@rocketrollsvlogs7625
@rocketrollsvlogs7625 4 жыл бұрын
Stephen, thanks for this comment. Nice share.
@brentwade9346
@brentwade9346 3 жыл бұрын
HellsSgt I took mine through hell today - pretty technical off-road terrain, and pretty committed - a long walk back out if anything happened...longer crawl - and I was alone. Had to power push it up some sections and loose rocks made some washed out descents downright scary - it’s a mule once it decides on a direction and you have to be pretty damned brave to power it down anything like that. After 6 drops, I’ve removed that piece of real estate from my playgrounds until I’ve picked up a Husky 501 or something smaller. The AT is an adventure tourer - gravel, sand, open space. You have to have the skills and strength to get it through the narrow technical stuff.
@sammyscrap
@sammyscrap 7 жыл бұрын
You might call it a silly idea, but it really put a spotlight on the weight of the bike and how important it is to riding off-road, and especially for jumping.
@Nicoya
@Nicoya 7 жыл бұрын
The 1190 looked a bit worse for wear in some shots. Misaligned body panels, scuffs of course, and it looked like the front wheel had a weave in the opening sequence. How about a damage report follow-up? I think replacing broken bits is a big limiting factor for people taking their fancy ADV bikes into the bush, rather than terrain capability.
@TheMissendenFlyer
@TheMissendenFlyer 7 жыл бұрын
Great comparison guys - I ride both a BMW GS and a Honda CRF, I mainly use the GS for touring and seldom purposely take it off-road. It's amazing how many people berate me because I don't take the GS off-road - why would I when I have a CRF in the garage!! Completely agree with your conclusion and a beautifully put together video - thanks for posting and regards from "across the pond" - P.S. Good luck with the new president, whomever he/she turns out to be!
@ObitoUchihaisgay
@ObitoUchihaisgay 3 жыл бұрын
Why do people buy Adventure bikes for touring? I haven't tried one yet but it seems like it's just touring bike with off-road wheels. Aren't they less comfortable, grippy and durable than touring tires?
@arnavdeol5951
@arnavdeol5951 3 жыл бұрын
Well that whole president thing went badly
@serpadu
@serpadu Жыл бұрын
@@ObitoUchihaisgay You can use touring tires in a ADV, and with longer suspension travel, they are more comfortable in bad maintained roads. And if the pavement ends, you can still ride and not be afraid of dropping your bike, because you have crashbars instead of expensive plastic fairings. A GS is a great example that power is not everything, it's surely slower than a s1000xr, but still plenty to go fast and everywhere.
@lazyape_735
@lazyape_735 7 жыл бұрын
maybe an adv vs enduro would of made more sense than adv vs mx
@alexandriaarualak5505
@alexandriaarualak5505 6 жыл бұрын
LazyApe_ you can make the best regards John John wants to go to a new thread is locked
@aamir.khan.1991
@aamir.khan.1991 7 жыл бұрын
Concerns, yeah... Who gives you the ideas? Bikes towing bikes! ADV vs Motocross on a dirt track. Whatever that person smokes, I want some!!
@aamir.khan.1991
@aamir.khan.1991 7 жыл бұрын
+Zack Courts Yeah, it's the right kind of 'fun'. Just keep it coming.
@wagusk
@wagusk 6 жыл бұрын
another idea, torque battle of superbike vs cruiser.
@andrewahn9483
@andrewahn9483 7 жыл бұрын
probably one of the best on two wheels episodes yet. love ya'll bros.
@MotorcyclistMag
@MotorcyclistMag 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Andrew, glad ya liked it!
@daytondelahoussaye4505
@daytondelahoussaye4505 7 жыл бұрын
Why no post in so long?!?!
@katepershern3230
@katepershern3230 7 жыл бұрын
Andrew Ahn o
@benjahnz
@benjahnz 7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic work guys, great camera work, funny and smart banter, all in all a very polished video. Keep making stuff please!
@FulvioM
@FulvioM 7 жыл бұрын
Came across this video by chance and I must say this is one the most entertainment and interesting "reviews" I found. Thanks for the fun!
@MotorcyclistMag
@MotorcyclistMag 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. Make sure you subscribe.
@marklee7759
@marklee7759 7 жыл бұрын
This is great and really does address some burning questions. Would love to see the enduro version of this as well. I know most dual sport folks are always posing the same question about single track.
@russellcollins7148
@russellcollins7148 7 жыл бұрын
very well done episode. entertaining, well edited, not too much talking. you guys are killing it. I watch every show.
@dilsher12
@dilsher12 7 жыл бұрын
awesome video , you guys deserve way more subscribers !!
@aquiline-m1590
@aquiline-m1590 5 жыл бұрын
250kg vs 96kg It looks like Arnold Vs Bruce Lee Both are best in their sectors. But it was nice Idea.
@TexasLeverGunner
@TexasLeverGunner 7 жыл бұрын
ADV bikes are great for their intended purpose, paved roads, sketchy paved roads, gravel roads, dirt roads, sand roads, clay roads, some jeep track here and there, and the OCCASIONAL single track. Obviously the Africa Twin and the Katoom are some of the best on the market for this. Better than my lowly DL1000. :)
@jamessuttie1261
@jamessuttie1261 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Some excellent perspectives. I have a KTM 300 2 stroke, a GSA, an S1000 XR, and a 1975 R90S. Love them all. Most miles on the GSA - South America, Spain, Portugal. IOM, Morocco, Yukon and all through Europe. Great fun.
@ericcoppola
@ericcoppola 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid ... I've been wanting to see this comparison!!! Tks
@13Haphazard
@13Haphazard 7 жыл бұрын
This was a great video! I loved the introduction part!
@YA-ee9zf
@YA-ee9zf 5 жыл бұрын
well 5s slower or even 10s slower than a dirt bike is a compromise i can deal with for something that doesn't have to be serviced every 5 hours and can take me from country to country with comfort. also off roading isn't about jumping and going fast it is about being able too cross obstacles to reach road
@luuk341
@luuk341 4 жыл бұрын
yeah, they knew all this. I mean its a stupid proposition to try and beat a purpose made racing machine with a do it all tourer but that was what the video was for. Just for fun :)
@YohannhDavid
@YohannhDavid 7 жыл бұрын
the internet really needed this this video
@MyRp123
@MyRp123 7 жыл бұрын
Great episode! You both did really well on the ADV bikes around the track. I was really surprise on how much air you actually caught with a +500lbs bike.
@Velosirraton
@Velosirraton 7 жыл бұрын
damn that was some of the coolest ideas for a video i have seen
@sammyscrap
@sammyscrap 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid guys, keep up the great work!
@WRAP_itude
@WRAP_itude 7 жыл бұрын
Another awesome idea & video folks! Really enjoy watching ur videos:) funky & professional at the same time
@mk6six
@mk6six 7 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great stuff! You guys are very entertaining. I look forward to seeing what you do next.
@thesurfingwolf4793
@thesurfingwolf4793 7 жыл бұрын
Love that thumbnail btw, great video thanks for the hard work!
@terrabiker
@terrabiker 7 жыл бұрын
you missed the scope of ADV bike , of course it's not suitable for MX racing track...but Enduro track...check out Chris Birch , man , what he can do with 1190 , something amazing
@pataconaso
@pataconaso 7 жыл бұрын
Monstruos! Great video, sick machines, and the comparison, never tried before, good job. Is time to make a deep comparison with all 2016 ADV bikes
@MrDannyZ123
@MrDannyZ123 7 жыл бұрын
Great job guys. I've been waiting for this vid for a while
@BikeRambler
@BikeRambler 7 жыл бұрын
this show is amazing! Love it. I just went from a R1200GS to a CRF250 and back. Crazy weight difference.
@dimacus15
@dimacus15 7 жыл бұрын
Super awesome video! pleasure to watch. background music is well fit the vid, nice camera recording angles - looks exciting!) , great video edit, and also guys are so funny))
@Captn_Slow
@Captn_Slow 7 жыл бұрын
Subbed. Love you guys exploring different ideas!
@FRv4S
@FRv4S 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder who would dislike this video...Motocycyclist Mag is doing a fantastic job with these videos and these guys have charisma..keep it up guys!
@egumpher
@egumpher 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video. The big bikes did a little better than I thought they would. I wanted an Africa Twin until I sat on one at a dealership. I thought "there is no way you could do serious off road-ing on this beast. Thanks again.
@corni101
@corni101 7 жыл бұрын
very good episode , really i learned a lot and got some very interesting info on what is an adventure bike , i have been wanting to owned one just not ready yet but its fun to watch what it can do and in what manner. Keep it up im a big fan and you guys are great.
@Erstwhile.Freeman
@Erstwhile.Freeman 7 жыл бұрын
That was fun to watch! Awesome to see a 500lb bike jump.
@festol1
@festol1 7 жыл бұрын
One of the best motorcycle channels on KZfaq. As you are riders too, made motor journalism with things that riders like to know. Is not all about numbers, is about fell, practicallity, real world experience (as you bring to dirty, city, track, road, mix of all of it).
@cjkemp5970
@cjkemp5970 3 жыл бұрын
I just found you guys, binge watching for the weekend
@jcwebb540
@jcwebb540 7 жыл бұрын
"No. Not savin' it." haha
@bradcarroll3719
@bradcarroll3719 4 жыл бұрын
Not a stupid comparison at all!! In fact, it was kinda exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
@lagaman11
@lagaman11 6 жыл бұрын
Great review. Wish I could have seen the pro on the Honda African Twin though. Keep up the good work guys!
@jaysonwickenkamp7777
@jaysonwickenkamp7777 7 жыл бұрын
you guys are rad. period. this looked like it was so much fun...you crushed it.
@LizardMane
@LizardMane 7 жыл бұрын
you guys deserve way more viewers. Definetly the best motorcycle youtube show.
@1998TDM
@1998TDM 7 жыл бұрын
I notice the big boys mentioned below, Birchie and Riemann, enduro riders extraordinaire. Kinda misses the point of your test, which I really enjoyed. You've done a fantastic job of demonstrating the versatility of these behemoths. Truly all road bikes. Cheers, a brave test!
@LukeDodge916
@LukeDodge916 7 жыл бұрын
You two are great. Fun video, and I'm surprised that these two big ADV bikes ran as well as they did in the dirt. I was expecting much less performance than they provided, so that's just a bonus. Keep this up fellas. We need MC to survive in this new 6-issue format. Bring it.
@micaKTM1290
@micaKTM1290 7 жыл бұрын
This was a great idea!! I would love to see an ADV bike comparison on the MX track, that would be awesome!
@abster010
@abster010 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe an enduro side by side test, between middleweight ADV bikes like a Yamaha Tenere 700 and KTM 790R and a Yamaha WR 450 and KTM XCF 450, that will be a more fair test. Its always great to see a pair of good riders having fun in a diferent element, thank you.
@BigBeardBuilds
@BigBeardBuilds 7 жыл бұрын
Somehow I got it into my mind this evening to find out how a big clunky ADV bike would do on a dirt bike track. You guys provided all I wanted to know in one video, thank you for that! Good to know that in a pinch, you can actually enjoy it on the track even if just for the fun of trying.
@avimistry8820
@avimistry8820 7 жыл бұрын
Another awesome vid! Could you guys do like a "Beginners Guide to ADV, Dirt, and Dualsports"? Basically what you'd need (recommended bike/gear), preparation, basic skills, and general tips.
@matthewsanchez3943
@matthewsanchez3943 7 жыл бұрын
By far most informative and entertaining motorcycle channel I know of keep up the good work
@kristwi37
@kristwi37 7 жыл бұрын
Great Video Guys! Looking forward to more 😜
@flyingferrarim
@flyingferrarim 5 жыл бұрын
You guys are the next "Grand Tour" but the bike variant... awesome shows guys, keep it up!!
@andydutton1566
@andydutton1566 7 жыл бұрын
Another great vid guys..... Any chance of comparsion say, new R1 and Old R1, Fireblade etc?
@Viperbird17
@Viperbird17 7 жыл бұрын
Cool video guys, would love to see some info for both on and off road opinions on comparing the KTM 500 EXC/Husky 501 vs the BETA 500RS
@darthchile
@darthchile 7 жыл бұрын
Loved it! great idea to compare a big adv bike like this.
@Kevinintheback
@Kevinintheback 7 жыл бұрын
great video. I thought the adv bikes faired rather well. thanks for the video!
@motosporttouring
@motosporttouring 7 жыл бұрын
Great video! Next time you guys do this, let me know, and I'll throw my Zuma 125 into the mix!
@Porsche996driver
@Porsche996driver 7 жыл бұрын
Way to go Zack! Woulda thought the pro on ADV would've taken you on MX. Makes me wanna get back in the dirt lol. 👍🏼
@mackeymichael
@mackeymichael 7 жыл бұрын
I've always wanted to know what ADVs are like in a dirtbike environment thanks guys i will watch more of your work.
@teddakdag
@teddakdag 6 жыл бұрын
i love this show, On Two Wheels is me and my sons favorite!!!, Ari and Zach are hilarious!
@pcmiller2710
@pcmiller2710 6 жыл бұрын
That was totally sick!...one of the best comparisons you've put out yet!....also, it makes ya think that the ADV bike thing is all smoke and mirrors when you go over 650cc....damn, I was saving up for am Africa Twin....
@philtripe
@philtripe 7 жыл бұрын
that was fun, now lets see the same bikes in the desert...you know, just for fun
@iant720
@iant720 5 жыл бұрын
How do lighter ADV bikes -400lbs fit into the mix?
@dylandualsport1462
@dylandualsport1462 7 жыл бұрын
OMG that tracked looked like SO much fun, id love to get my bike out there
@JayanandSupali
@JayanandSupali 7 жыл бұрын
You guys always make a Super fun episode. Keep it up guys. About the Comparison. I personally wouldn't dare do such things on such mammoths for bikes. It was like watching a Cheetah race a Bison on that dirt track. But loads of things learned about the bikes capabilities. It would be actually nice to see some other such kinda bikes being put thru such track test to know which once can actually handle and come on top.
@kiwiandyt123
@kiwiandyt123 6 жыл бұрын
Great video - love your content and your style! BTW - where can I get one of those cool t-shirts that Zack is wearing in the final garage sequence?
@kalimarus
@kalimarus 7 жыл бұрын
I'd actually love to see the "street" adv bikes (Multistrada/S1000XR/Versys 1000 etc) vs sport bikes on a track. I've always been curious just what the difference in corners would be with the same decent rider. Are sport bikes really any faster in corners?
@AriH211
@AriH211 7 жыл бұрын
Check out our Multistrada vs S1000XR vid. We rode the bikes from LA to Monterey and then did a track day at Laguna. Those two bikes crushed it. The only rider/bike that passed us all day was a pro racer on his S1000RR superbike. ADVs are pretty amazing. Well... some of them anyway.
@kalimarus
@kalimarus 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ari, I watched and I'm a little jealous. Looks like all you really lose is some aerodynamics and higher gearing for top end speeds which aren't useful on the street.
@kalimarus
@kalimarus 7 жыл бұрын
Lorentz the difference between an S1000XR or Multistrada and Sportbike is certainly not the same as a minivan and a GT-R. Those ADV bikes really just loose the aerodynamic advantage and add some weight. As in the video Ari mentioned they don't seem to be loosing much on the track.
@chrisredfield3240
@chrisredfield3240 7 жыл бұрын
kalimarus the s1000xr was only around 1 second slower than the s1000rr around a track, on roads the s1000xr would most likely be faster more midrange punch after all
@PierreC71
@PierreC71 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video, very funny. I have a '13 BMW F800 GS Adventure. I use it for touring, traveling, daily commute...AND...for offroad. That thing led me without any issues through trails, exploring mountain roads, fire roads, and so on. I'm very happy. Ciao from Italy!
@nickcoulter973
@nickcoulter973 7 жыл бұрын
Cool demonstration of the differences. It's nice to see them compared together.
@Superdisco199
@Superdisco199 7 жыл бұрын
Very entertaining, you guys have good synergy!
@marioafig
@marioafig 7 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video just like this but compare the ADV bikes to either supersports or some sporty naked bikes or something in that direction. Very cool content!
@goncalojeronimo1537
@goncalojeronimo1537 4 жыл бұрын
These guys are sick! Love it...
@4theriders
@4theriders 7 жыл бұрын
so...being a hard core adv rider myself...and having never actually owned an adv bike... it's all about the rider, fellas. I used to hit single track, horse trails, ford rivers, fire roads, an other adv stuff on my old yzf600r (with protapers on it) very regularly. having ridden a few ktm adventures, they make the job pretty easy.
@hooty6699
@hooty6699 6 жыл бұрын
Great vid! More of this!
@DezertDawgs
@DezertDawgs 7 жыл бұрын
Fun review. I was impressed w/ the on-board audio ! What kind of helmet-mounted communication setups are you using ? Thanks !
@moulin6
@moulin6 7 жыл бұрын
Great job guys! But what I want to know is who was better to handle and more fun in the track? Africa twin or 1190R. ?? Thanks!!
@julianuk3266
@julianuk3266 7 жыл бұрын
1st time i've watched you guys.. Highly entertaining ! Subscribed ;)
@paulguggiana1765
@paulguggiana1765 7 жыл бұрын
Another fun OTW! Wish you guys posted more! I guess I'll just go watch MC garage while I wait....
@TheRealCristianLuca
@TheRealCristianLuca 7 жыл бұрын
Great perspectives guys !
@J.E..
@J.E.. 4 жыл бұрын
👍 would love to see how supermoto bikes with dirt tires vs MX bike turns out. Like husqvarna 701 or KTM 690 vs MX
@JLRkosmic
@JLRkosmic 7 жыл бұрын
awesome episode, the only way to improve it would have been to get an actual current mx pro riding an adv bike and comparing it to the dirt bike.
@JoeGo101
@JoeGo101 7 жыл бұрын
Totally thought the ADV bike would have wooped the Dirt Bike....... LOL
@nicholastoo858
@nicholastoo858 7 жыл бұрын
Nice test. Thank you.
@colinanderson8490
@colinanderson8490 7 жыл бұрын
great job guys you showed an adventure bike can do tough stuff. you just have to slow down . air on the beasts is dodgy but they can get you to the good track then the highway then the camp ground. awesome. just don't drop one on your leg
@KD-xo2fx
@KD-xo2fx 6 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! Where can you get those T-shirts you're wearing? The one with the bikes is awesome!!
@sheetalanugrahkispotta7791
@sheetalanugrahkispotta7791 7 жыл бұрын
This channel is so cool. Love it.
@sachin03111995
@sachin03111995 7 жыл бұрын
hey can you please make a video on single and double channel abs braking systems.....
@timleerschool5921
@timleerschool5921 7 жыл бұрын
Loved this comparison! Good view of taking these bikes to the extreme to show what they are (partly) capable of. Though I must say I always find the focus is placed on KTM and Honda while for example the BMW F800GS is a bike that is at least every bit as capable (I believe) but somehow gets forgotten often. You guys feel the same?
@Kingsoupturbo
@Kingsoupturbo 7 жыл бұрын
Hey guys! fun segment! was hoping you'd take them down some single track, a bit more adventure as a comparo, would be neat to see!
@SawyerKnight
@SawyerKnight 5 жыл бұрын
the fact that the ADV can still run the track speaks volumes. ADV bikes are great all purpose bikes, the rider skill and familiarity with the bike is the biggest factor.
@mase002
@mase002 5 жыл бұрын
Now ADV vs. Dual Sport is the real test.
@DCCLourens
@DCCLourens 7 жыл бұрын
Just wondering with the new 1090 adventure R and the current Africa Twin, which would have the better suspension?
@NorthStarFooligan
@NorthStarFooligan 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!
@MotoMatsalleh
@MotoMatsalleh 5 жыл бұрын
What about the enduro class....what can they do offroad....more importantly......which ones do "ok" on the highway?
@barryweaver8833
@barryweaver8833 7 жыл бұрын
Fun video indeed and very worthwhile!! Yes there was something to learn for everyone. For me the fact that you can even ride a big ADV on a MX track and complete it in a reasonable time is saying something about their capability, try that on a sporty street bike. I was hoping that the Africa Twin would've been the preferred bike since it is a smaller cc and weight- (I'm just biased because I want the DCT bike.) Now let's see how well those MotoCross bikes do traveling hundreds of miles across the country on the highway ?? well maybe not... Thanks guys!!!
@knobbiesshreaded3137
@knobbiesshreaded3137 7 жыл бұрын
You guys are entertaining, keep it up!
@alantranouez2815
@alantranouez2815 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent ! What about a confrontation between 450 supermoto in a small supermoto track, and big powerfull bikes like S1000XR or Multistrada ?
@runninginthesky2889
@runninginthesky2889 7 жыл бұрын
Thx for the amazing work you doing...if only I saw this video before I did what i did @!!!!!
@Holmaaron
@Holmaaron 2 жыл бұрын
I took my T7 onto a MX track last year, it was hilariously bad but also so much fun.
@cecilyt006
@cecilyt006 7 жыл бұрын
Great Episode!
@billybill7450
@billybill7450 7 жыл бұрын
You should have put MX tires on ATVs, the tires make Huge difference on dirt track. I'm sure the pro on ATV could even win if on proper tires!
@Felipe_Arteaga
@Felipe_Arteaga 7 жыл бұрын
Hi. I have to agree ith Mr. Billy Bill. I own a 1190. The tires are actually what converts the 1190 into a dirt or into a superbike. Only a small difference in the desing of the will require that you change you way of driving. Anyway thanks for the video, It was good.
@imadecoy.
@imadecoy. 7 жыл бұрын
"could even win!" you mean, still be 17 seconds slower than he was on the motocross bike? What's that going to accomplish?
@carsoncsgo3621
@carsoncsgo3621 7 жыл бұрын
You mean ADV
@misterrodrigopd
@misterrodrigopd 7 жыл бұрын
How about taking the big adventures off road like a enduro such as riding uphills, rocky sections, river crossing, single tracks in the woods, sand, mud, log jumping etc.
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