My 87 Monte Carlo SS Keeps BENDING Water Pumps

My 87 Monte Carlo SS Keeps BENDING Water Pumps - Will This fix it?

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2 ай бұрын

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@fasteddy917 2 ай бұрын

Watching someone have problems with their vehicle isn't why I watch, seeing how they handle the problem and correct it is why I watch. Years ago I backed myself into a corner at work and it would have cost the company a lot of money to correct it. My boss simply walked over and said that if I could find myself into the problem he was sure that I could find my way out of it. I did and my motto in life became that if you found your way into a problem, stay calm and find your way out of it. It's worked for the better part of sixty years. Wonderful video. Thank you.

@gerhardorosz7984 2 ай бұрын

The mechanical fan could be the problem too! If not then Either an electric water pump Or different alternator pulley,different alternator position and mounting and other crankshaft pulley should maybe do it.

@jester2720 2 ай бұрын

im wondering if that fan might be actually out of balance enough to cause his issue during the rev? May be just better off going back to a good oem fan if he can fit it in?

@Reefdevil 2 ай бұрын

That was my immediate first thought… why not throw an electric pump and fan on it?

@davidoquendo2078 2 ай бұрын

That was the first thing that came up to me the clutch fan is to much for the pump shaft i would do electrical fans it will improve ur throttle response has well if u go electrical fans

@briantarkett 2 ай бұрын

Randy go to the junk yard look for a 1988 thru 1996 chevy pick up 2500 it has every thing u to swap all the pullys over one belt for everything I have down it and never had a problem after that

@verderriscursey 2 ай бұрын

I'd go with electric fans. The shaft is connected to the fan and as you increase speed the fan gives more resistance on that water pump

@finndog67 2 ай бұрын

I don't think its so much that people want to see the pain and stuff, but more the back and forth between you and mike in those videos. You guys are natural and make a better "buddy cop duo" than most movie guys.... You make people laugh and forget about their own troubles for a few minutes, and that's good enough for me

@dannyklein-dy4nv 2 ай бұрын

take the clutch fan off, it is adding weight to the shaft

@thehemiolds455 2 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same

@jamespn 2 ай бұрын

Randy’s had to face his fair share of problems in life, having friends like Monkey Wrench Mike and Santa’s Helper Michael as friends is priceless. These guys are really great.

@Steve-su2jw 2 ай бұрын

PUT ELECTRIC WATER PUMP AND ELECTRIC FAN

@mrweayoobagggo.3119 2 ай бұрын

Yeah Jacob should have told you that.but yeah I think I was there when they dyno’d that engine i was picking up my LS 427.

@danielventura8073 2 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly. With a delay timer to prevent heat soak

@danielventura8073 2 ай бұрын

Use ethanol free gas.

@robertwhitfield4201 2 ай бұрын

They increase horsepower and do away with impeller drag.

@givenlife706 2 ай бұрын

I was going to say that great minds think alike

@carllockpick6179 2 ай бұрын

The stick out, of the fan stubb shaft, seems to be excessive. Could you not try an electric fan ?

@larsmanson9577 2 ай бұрын

you need to take Nick with you on the power tour thats something im sure he would love and just think of the memories yall will make together.

@aicsusa 2 ай бұрын

Put an electric water pump on it

@davidunderwood7561 2 ай бұрын

I enjoy these on the Monte, just shows the trials and tribulations to the end of any project one takes on...they don't always follow the instructions on the box, or even follow logic at times. It's the persistence one had that makes the best lessons in life, screw the haters......they can always watch Bob piant clouds and trees......

@MrClutch440T4 2 ай бұрын

Randy, have you tried a billet water pump pulley? March Performa # 4032. Also, since you ordered the incorrect fuel lines for MTBE concentrations, double check. Plus, you have an aluminum carb on top of an aluminum intake = fuel boiling after shut off then restart 30 minutes later, or long idling. Add an Edelbrock # 8723 heat resistant carb spacer. Then add a return carb fuel filter with return to the tank.

@dbowles53 2 ай бұрын

Go with the advice from Santa's workshop. With the old style belts, overtightening the belts would cause excessive wear and tear on the water pump. Tighten just enough for it not to slip.

@williamcochell9889 2 ай бұрын

Hey Randy, thumbs up and kudos once again! To the best automotive channel on, KZfaq! Do you offer a complete package! For variety in vehicles, and the most exciting presentations with your enthusiasm and appreciation of these cars! Not to mention your personal sharing and road trips, and high character! love the sound of the Monte Carlo really rich! Keep it up

@JasonAlexander-uz4ns 2 ай бұрын

How about the fan it might be off balanced maybe an electric fan would help or a light weight fan . The belt for the alternator should be tight . Looks good sounds good .

@chitonavarro7317 2 ай бұрын

Watching your content feeds me knowledge about cars troubleshoots and its entertaining kudos to your channel randy🎉🎉🎉

@chrisflaws6763 2 ай бұрын

Love the sound it makes

@ajlandin1993 2 ай бұрын

Great video Randy

@MrClutch440T4 2 ай бұрын

Randy, since your fuel pump doesn't have a return to the fuel tank to keep the fuel cool and a relief when you shut off the vehicle. Add, GM part # GF423 with a 5/16" return line back to the fuel tank...with MTBE concentrations limits.

@raymondhernandez7079 2 ай бұрын

I love the videos with the Monty. Keep your head up

@robertclubs9908 2 ай бұрын

Good luck my friend.

@Dustinnicholas1987 2 ай бұрын

Sounds so good

@cousinjohncarstuff4568 2 ай бұрын

The belts can be adjusted a fraction tighter until it stops squealing. Will still be loose enough to avoid excess pressure on the water pump.....

@patrickgregory4 2 ай бұрын

love it bro!

@waynek921 2 ай бұрын

Great job Randy

@francispoulina9435 2 ай бұрын

Have you checked of the fanblades are good ? They could be out of balance. Just a thought.

@bk_goatkim679 2 ай бұрын

That’s so interesting, never heard of that issue. But keep it up randy we love to see it

@lennybishop9930 2 ай бұрын

Love that sound

@FUELFIREGARAGE 2 ай бұрын

Had the same thing happen to me .the clutch fan is to heavy .all that weight hanging out tha fare .put a 5 blade from speedway .

@TheDeanDalton 2 ай бұрын

I'm wanting to buy this exact engine to put in my 1969 Corvette. Keep us posted.

@locotrucker46 2 ай бұрын

That motley Carlo sounds soooooo good!

@georgegarage702 2 ай бұрын

I love the Monte Carlo videos

@Sappy6517 2 ай бұрын

i agree with most ppl here in the comments try it with an electric fan before you replace everything. the mechanical fans are heavy and puts a lot of twist on the shaft in high power and torque builds the fan clutch also will lockup suddenly under a dig and shock the water pump shaft because of the shear amount torque i had that same problem before because i wanted to be oem just like you. after i went to a electric fan i had no more issues

@marktaylor3327 2 ай бұрын

That Monte sounds wicked

@dwanerusselburg7435 2 ай бұрын

It sounds great randy

@tommyhall2768 2 ай бұрын

Good luck buddy

@carlbernard4197 2 ай бұрын

Get a multimeter and check the voltage right at the battery. Is the best way to be sure the alternator is doing its job properly 😊

@EmelieKerek 2 ай бұрын

I just like watching videos of people wrenching on cars 🙂 The allure of videos where the car experiences a failure is seeing how the owner gets it back running again. For me, at least!

@baitse7676 2 ай бұрын

Many men do

@peterkwok9608 2 ай бұрын

Good luck in getting the Monte Carlo straight Randy.

@iheartimagery 2 ай бұрын

The OEM pumps are built to certain specs, now when you drop a heavily modded built performance engine in, you cant expect the stock OEM parts to stay together for very long. Hopefully this is a learning experience and you can now do it up right with parts that will hold up with whatever you want to throw at it.

@inthenose9033 2 ай бұрын

Randy, are you running a harmonic balancer? If the rubber is faulty or shifting it just may be the reason why your water pump gets a spike of sideward tension. Just a thought.

@molnstv 2 ай бұрын

The ac belt is causing all your problems try leaving the ac belt off and getting on it see if that helps What you need is a looser ac belt then tighten the alternator belt the fix is easy

@waynemiller3845 2 ай бұрын

Is your balancer good and straight

@georgegarage702 2 ай бұрын

Can I wait for the next thing you do for it

@daredevil7442AUTOMOTIVE 2 ай бұрын

Hey some led lights for gauge cluster and remove check engine bulb?

@MotorJoe 2 ай бұрын

I think i still have a video of when we both were in the same room. So many years ago 🙂

@brucesahroian1482 2 ай бұрын

Well, Welcome to the world of Hop ups!! Every really good hot rod I have had uses a "EDELBROCK" water pump!

@richardt3744 2 ай бұрын

For the belt that is too tight for the AC you could try to go up one size on the length of the belt to ease the tension a bit. It seems there has to be a place to adjust anyway, how did you get it on otherwise? You need to balance the tension to avoid bending the water-pump again.

@Vetteman372 2 ай бұрын

Randy here goes....the proper way to adjust a t.v. cable is to have someone sit in the car and hold the throttle all the way down. then hold the adjust button in and pull the cable housing as far as you can toward the rear of the car! this is the only correct way to adjust the cable on ANY gm car!!!!!

@sstires 2 ай бұрын

Can you try it without the fan installed or a race fan no clutch ?

@eddie3500 2 ай бұрын

Just wondering did you get the water pump on Amazon?

@armons.355 2 ай бұрын

Hope you get it all figured out! What do you plan on doing with how it’s shifting thru the gears? Those rpms are high

@fenceman53 2 ай бұрын

Could the tight Ac belt be putting too much side load on water pump bearing?

@michaelcoffey7362 2 ай бұрын

Good video 🥰

@jameswalker4922 2 ай бұрын

Hey Randy. With the power you have under the hood. You should definitely go with an electric water pump and electric fans on the radiator.

@nathantatosian280 2 ай бұрын

Good morning Randy

@shermanbloods 2 ай бұрын

Optimum red top batt for power drop when a/c is on should help a bit

@KevinCrane-zr5ml 2 ай бұрын

Hey Randy maybe it's the serpentine belt setup wider belt putting to much pressure on water pump shaft.

@johnirwin1137 2 ай бұрын

Did you try a Summit Racing water pump . Something not for low end horsepower and torque ?

@michaelo2107 2 ай бұрын

Ya know right about 1987/1988 GM went to a reverse rotation water pump for the serpentine set up on the small block like in a GMT400 lets say.. By some chance are you getting the wrong pump.. you have a serpentine belt but you DO NOT have a reverse rotation set up.. GM also make a serpentine kit all inclusive the part # is 19418818 if i recall its been a few years simce i have gotten one of these kits. It comes with all the accessories water pump alt, ac comp. P/s pump brackets pulleys belts the whole deal it use to cost 1200. Bucks or so.. good luck hope some or this info helps

@elliethebat8334 2 ай бұрын

Have you looked at Dakota instrument clusters they are awesome and would make it a lot better to monitor your engine. I have one in my Camaro and it's amazing

@ericbrown-ti5kb 2 ай бұрын

Hey Randy if you if you don't want to add a full serpentine belt setup..like someone mentioned in the comments section..add a electric water pump and electric fan setup..however you will need to upgrade your alternator with more amperage and that should take care of your water pump issues..and ultimately you won't be needing extra water pumps and belts..just my opinion.

@SORGIGERMANICO 2 ай бұрын

My dad had an 84 monti carlo and a 84 grand Prix I loved those cars

@billstreber5194 2 ай бұрын

It's true. Out of my 50 plus years of being a mechanic I have never seen a water pump bend like that. There's got to be some kind of manufacturer's flaw I remember all the manufacturers saying do not over tighten because of unnecessary wear of the bearings. Never the shaft for peace of mind in the future, if it does go again I would try it an aftermarket water pump just to see if it does the same thing. It is weird though. Sorry to say I mean if it was me and it kept happening I would just switch over to an electric water pump and fan system..p.s. and no, I don't want to rub it in LOL. I wish that 40 Chevy was back in the barn at AAR headquarters for this year's event

@airplaneengine 2 ай бұрын

Any chance that fan blade may be off balance? Those Delco UX1 radios fitted in GM cars from the early 80s to mid 90s were fantastic stock/factory radios.

@NoahClay6 2 ай бұрын

Love all your videos Randy. Try an electric pump maybe that will solve some of the problems you have now. I just think the Monte Carlo is sweet! Always wanted one but don't really see those years where I am. Great stuff 👍.

@user-vq3dc2se5d 2 ай бұрын

What size pulley is on this water pump, is it for the V8? Had a power steering pump one time blowout my hose and found it had too small of pulley for the pump, What a mess that was, could’ve aired up tires with that set up. just a ideal for you,

@cdman78564 2 ай бұрын

Maybe you could figure out a way to incorporate an idler pulley, maybe between the alternator and pump, to take some torque off the water pump.

@mexicanspec 2 ай бұрын

What is causing the bending of the shaft? It just goes round and round.

@mikesharp8653 2 ай бұрын

That car sounds amazing. It's already a head turner, and you haven't got to paint yet!

@kelvinshehan369 2 ай бұрын

Sounds like you need to get a new weber rebuild able water pump?

@just4kicks950 2 ай бұрын

Can always go with a electric water pump Randy. It would require changing so much$$$$. IDK wish I could help, best of luck my friend 💯🚘🔥🔥👍. Sounds & looks amazing 💪🫡

@markvanderlee 2 ай бұрын

No lockup torque converter?

@justinfahnestock5067 2 ай бұрын

Pretty soon nick We'll be buying cars with you..

@davidtaylor1384 2 ай бұрын

Electric pump and fans for the win.

@barrywgoodwin3923 2 ай бұрын

That fan, does it turn all the time? If it is a mechanical fan it is big and it takes a lot to turn that thing, so when you are giving it the beans you are putting a lot of torque on it to turn, and then the pump shaft lets go, and gets bent. Take it off and try it, meaning give her the beans, I know you need the fan to help cool the engine, but just a short run before things get hot, maybe close to the shop. Personally, I would have electric fans on it, get rid of the mechanical one.

@GTFORDMAN 2 ай бұрын

go for a gilmer belt drive, you can have a bit of slack in the belt but no slippage.

@KevinCrane-zr5ml 2 ай бұрын

It's wider and putting more outward pressure on pump, that is if the serpentine belt is running the pump.

@ruckusrodkustom8140 2 ай бұрын

Belt tension looks fine to me. There should be an inch of play

@richchester187 2 ай бұрын

Before this I never seen 1 bend either. It sounds like the pump is trying to move too much water. Or, Is there a blockage somewhere Or, Could it be because you left the ports for the inside heat exchanger plugged ? Can we see the inside of the pump ?

@KevinCrane-zr5ml 2 ай бұрын

Hope that helps

@jamesbeckwith780 2 ай бұрын

Get rid of the fan clutch and stock heavy fan blades and put on a flex fan and try that before this Holley system. Could be fan under high rpm isn’t balanced and wrecking the W/Pump bearing.

@Ed-G 2 ай бұрын

Have you taken one of the bad pumps apart to inspect it. It might give you a better idea of what exactly is happening.😊

@Carl_Jr 2 ай бұрын

You should be able to twist the belt a ¼ turn with your fingers on the longest stretch. Every belt regardless if it's a v-belt or flat.

@f.chrisliuzzo7889 Ай бұрын

Wondering if the mechanical fan is locked up all the time? Get rid of the mechanical fan for an electric one and I bet it wont mess up!? And when the clutches in the fan lock when up to temp I bet it’s so much drag with all that hp it destroys the water pump shaft? Mostly because it pulls the pump to the side with immense force it destroys the bearings which locks and bends the shaft like nothing. I’ve got the same car that I just built a nasty sbc 350 for cammed and all with 1.6 rockers and 280h cam. And some big valved aluminum heads. So I bet if I use the clutch fan I’m gonna have the same issues..

@coyfisher5772 2 ай бұрын

Sounds like it could be maybe the fan or fan clutch out of balance.

@t.l.robinson2162 2 ай бұрын

When you tighten the belt, do not use a pry bar. Use your hand.

@anthonycrews709 2 ай бұрын

Get a high performance water pump if they make them for race cars

@aleskyfinis1025 2 ай бұрын

Wow 😮

@jimmywarledo4930 2 ай бұрын

pulley alignment issue

@ronwig7665 2 ай бұрын

Randy what wrong with park, thought that transmission is new. It should not be broken

@furiouswolf777voodoo4 2 ай бұрын

Seems like a fan issue...clutch fan causing problems?

@evoxus11 2 ай бұрын

Try it without alt belt. See if that’s causing it or ac belt.

@Mr.X-Texas 2 ай бұрын

So a smaller crankshaft pully and longer belts won't work?

@Mr.X-Texas 2 ай бұрын

"Underdrive pulley"

@Vetteman372 2 ай бұрын

Looking at your water pump studs, it looks like they're off for close to hitting the body of the water pump. They screw it too far in. and it could be when you stop on it It just. bends a little bit enough to catch. the body and bend it. Just the thought.

@bug702 2 ай бұрын

looks like the pulleys are off the water pump is out far out more than the rest of the pulleys

@letaloudone 2 ай бұрын

8:15 I have never seen this before on any of my GMs. I currenty have a 90 suburban with a 383 stroker. It flat screams, never had a problem but it is true it is a different belt system. Running belts too tight will screw shit up on the the pre tensioner engines no doubt.

@douglasgunnoe7465 2 ай бұрын

Don't know the scenario but purchase "hard parts" (Waterpump, alternator, mechanical fuel pump,rack and pinion,etc)from dealer or dealer equivalent, NAPA ,O'Reilly ...R&R costs $$ and TIME....the other big box eh hem stores are good for bulbs,oil,filters,floor mats.

@jmonte5899 2 ай бұрын

What does the company that built the motor say about this problem? I shouldn't have commented quite so soon. Saw that they recommended the serpentine belt to begin with.