everyone says they want a complicated character, when they have it they just think the character is mean

This scene is hard to grasp in the tv show, but i think it is better explained and portrayed in the book. There is a reason Lila mocks Elena. She is furious. Throughout her life Lila was raised in the Rione, the book highlights well how it’s inhabitants are violent and uneducated in every sense. Specially when it comes to speaking. In their neighborhood they speak Neapolitan, a brute sounding dialect. The rich people are the ones that speak Italian. Lila gets really uncomfortable in the party because she feels like a fish out of water. Elena’s friend speak in fancy Italian, as if they are from the north and boast opinions about topics that Lila doesn’t know about. It is not necessarily about Lila being jealous about Elena having access to this environment. Lila sees how hypocritical most of Elena’s friends are. They are mostly really rich people from Italy’s left leaning bourgeoisie. They speak about the working class and labour conditions as if they own that narrative, not even considering Lila’s opinion who comes from a true working class family, because she can’t speak about her experience in the same way they do. She is seen the elitism that even the left leaning, progressive Italian youth boast. They don’t speak about these topics because they care about it, they speak to sound intelligent and fancy. So yeah, she’s jealous of Lenu but she is also angry that she seems to be loosing her identity as someone that comes from the Rione, adapting her new persona to fit in to this new environment, without thinking critically about it.

I read all four books and I can say actress who plays Lila is a great choice! Whoever chose her, did a excellent job. While I was reading books I imagined exactly that type of face and beauty for Lila. Lila is a deeply tragic character, complicated, but I like her so much! Her action and her energy lead the story in the book.

I believe here Lila was purposely spiteful towards Lenú and what had become her world because she clearly saw what she had missed by succumbing to the Rione 's logic, aka getting married early to escape a life of material misery. But she got a life of moral misery instead. The realisation that what she had witnessed at the party could have been her life if only she had the tenacity of Lenú to pursue her ambitions came crushing down on her, and the only way she found to ease that pain was to belittle that world. On the other side, Lenú was hesitant to bring Lila with her to the party because she is fully aware that Lila, placed in such an environment, would have caught up with her in no time, obscuring her lifetime efforts of studies. In short, Lila always had the potential to be great but failed to oblige her inclinations because of external pressure by the family. Lenú was smart, but not brilliant like Lila. And nonetheless, she is the true demonstration that constance, and not talent alone, can make you a better person and free yourself from the grasp of poverty.

This scene was beautifully shot. The writing the casting, is just perfection. But these comments.... yes jealousy is apparent in Lila but her emotions and behaviors are far more complicated. You simply can’t boil down the friendship of Lila and Lenú to that of jealousy. Their friendship is hard to explain, they’re drawn to each other, they love each other, but at the same time the constant competition between the two the drive to not fall behind the other creates a sort of resentment, a suffocating tension between them. Lila believes she’s won that she’s lifted herself out of the poverty and suffering of her childhood, but she was wrong and she suffered. She realizes this completely at that party where she hoped she could escape to receive the same attention she did before, but she’s sees first hand how wrong she was with the decisions she made at that party. The people, how they spoke, how they acted, but most importantly how Lenú acted. She realized instead of getting ahead she got stuck. So she ridiculed it. She criticized all of it, it was a pitiful attempt to lift herself out of the hole she’d been put in. While Lenú on the other hand believed Lila would take away her hard work in seconds, she didn’t want Lila there.... she believed all people were drawn to her no matter what. And with that power of hers Lenú would be forgotten. She resented that, but was attached to it. So when it came down to the party... the attention she received gave her a sense of assurance and control “They want to speak to me and hear me” and it showed. She was so immersed with the people and her conversations that she’d almost forgotten about Lila. Unbeknownst to her creating another wedge between them. And there’s so so so much more.

There's a lot of contradictory feelings going on here with both characters. Although Lila is right with what she's saying-criticizing those students who are merely talking about changing the world, but not actually making any difference- it is actually LILA who is repeating history and stuck in the same cycle most the other women in her town are stuck in. Lila thought she could marry her way out of that cycle, but she was wrong; and I think that that is where her frustration is coming from. That and the fact that she is a little bit jealous of the opportunity that these people have and are seemingly wasting by circle jerking themselves intellectually. Lénu on the other hand is glad to have found a circle of people that appreciate her, but she is from the same socio-economic class as Lila, and she respects Lila's intelligence more than anyone else's, and deep down lénu knew that there was some truth to the criticism that Lila was making; she knew that those students, and herself included, were less preoccupied with "changing the world", but instead they were more preoccupied with looking for validation from their peers. At the same time, though, Lila didn't have to be so rude about it, especially bringing up the whole "I have a man and that's something you wouldn't know about" part. That was just Lila being cruel and taking out her frustrations.

È una scena davvero tragica..il ghigno di Stefano e la disperazione negli occhi di Lila

If I was Lenu I would have cried in the car 😂😂

Although all the comments here about Lila's jealousy are valid and are the main point, there is also something else going on. It is the relationship between Lila and her husband. She knows how to make him feel good by letting him know that her time away from him was wasted. She builds him up by belittling others and at the same time makes Lenu feel useless because she has no husband. I have done a little of this by playing down times that I have had apart from my own husband. When my sister and I took road trips together, we both avoided acting too excited about it when back at our own homes. Of course, in this case, Lila didn't have a good time...

I've been reading the neapolitan novels and I must say that Lila spitefulness in this scene is on point.

Lila is terrible here but she sees the life she could/should have had and it tears her asunder. By the time I got to the end of S2 I realised that everyone, every single person had stepped on Lila to go upwards. Even Lenu. Without Lila's force, her drive her motivation to push Lenu, she would never have risen herself. Lila gave her courage. And everyone used her courage to better themselves while she was left floundering behind. Better and cleverer than all of them but left in their wake. Sometimes she just had to claw back a small victory for herself.

Coccoricò Coccoricò ...è mitica!

Una fra le migliori scene del cinema italiano.

I know Lila is being fake here, since she warned Elena not to trust anything she says earlier in the episode. But I agree with her here, even though this isn't her real opinion. Sarratore and others at that party were pretentious af.. trying so hard to pass off as intelligent but their words carry zero weight and make no real impact on the world. I know people just like this, who just talk and talk and talk but do nothing.

It's funny that Lila begged Lenu to take her to the party but once she realizes that she's a nobody there unlike in her pleb neighborhood, she mocks and lashes out at Lenu. I'm not sure how Lenu after this still talks to Lila, but this would have been it for me.

Lila has always been jealous ...I don't see true friendship here...anyway I love this show made in my beautiful dialect!

Lilas frustration comes from missing the chance of having access to education that's the root of her jealousy. Elena vindicates her social class by writing the book itself.

I still remember fellini's films , my favorites were " roma" and " amacord"

Lila is very complex and realistic. And I understand her behaviour. But time and again she uses Lenu to vent out her frustrations as if she were the root cause of all her problems. Constantly jealous of her and trying to prove her superiority. Lenu did get a lot of help from her but honestly I'm not sure it's worth all this degradation.

Where's the best part?? CIAAAO GRECO

Lila is envious because she is not cultured and felt like an alien between those people

We all know a girl like this.. This character is perfecto

"At least I've got a man." - Lila said, before being beaten to a pulp by her husband just a little while later.

Great show

Lila è disperata e purtroppo capisce di essere sola ...con una lenu che pensa solo a se stessa...e il suo amore per Sarratore ....purtroppo la povertà solo chi la subisce la capisce ...in più vittima di un uomo che pensa di poter comprare una donna

The trailers look great.

she's not wrong but the delivery is spiteful and intended to hurt Elena. Unfortunately, her character is just as cruel as her environment, she did not rise above it.

so interesting book..reaiding right now

Well i love reading all these comments from people who clearly didn't get the scene at all or even the whole show. See. I used to feel terribly sorry for both of them. At first I was angry at Lila because she kinda ruined that moment that Lenu was so eager for, like finally a moment for her to "impress the others and feel part of that theatre". But, I realised later, poor Lila, those people were there talking mainly about power and class struggles from their place of privilege, and Lila knows her place in that society very well from a really young age. I cannot be angry at Lila, she was right, Lenu knows stuff, but what will she do with her knowledge after? Keep repeating history? Be just like all the academic people that sit comfortably in their studios to write about stuff they have not and never experience? That is why Lila says she better take Pasquale who has real experience first hand of what is wrong with that society.

This is the saddest part

Lila is very mean here but after all she has a point :D

Lila would really be part of that party.. but there she understands that she has lost her opportunity to be like them

Oh Lila

Às duas sao inteligentes mas a BRILHANTE é a Lila. Rafaela Cerullo❤

Lila vs the radical chic

Jealousy big time.

Lila sfotte e Giovanni Amura se la ride di gusto XD

I can tell that the showrunners' favourite character is Lenu, because, after reading the books, Lenu wasn't exactly the nicest at this dinner party either. Lenu was behaving just as snobby as Lila made it out to be. Although, Lila isn't innocent either. Goes to show that neither character is better than the other, which is the reality for everything.

I love this scene hahaha

Lila is such a genius, she saw right through those people.

0:44 these gestures and text - is it some Italian proverb? Or is it Lila's own statement? Does she mean they are fake or something more, can you explain?

Hi, i'm italian

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Stefano e Lila che ridono pensano di essere superiori, ma in realtà non fanno altro che compiacersi della loro esistenza piatta, dove manca ogni margine di miglioramento, anche minimo. Dispiaciuta per Elena che non riesce ad esprimere il suo disagio. Dovrebbe capire che lei ha la possibilità di uscire dal "rione" e cominciare una nuova vita.

It is not the fault of Lenu if lila could not do studies

Por que não tem opções de LEGENDA EM PORTUGUÊS???

Mr savage brought me here , need to check it out , can i see on netflix or prime , dont have hbo.

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It is really a pity, and it is sad, that one of the most important, and well known, Italian writer wrote a book which speaks the whole time about envy, cursedness, hate, wickedness, competition, violence against women and that such a book as such a big success. We should think about the level and standard of the culture today.

No me gusta lila bueno si pero es un personaxe mantido por un home que acaba por completo

È odiosa qui Lila

C'è qualche italiano? Nei commenti

Yeet

che posto disgustoso

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Lila sei solo invidiosa perché sai che chi studia va avanti

Am I the only one that don't consider lila a good friend?!I really don't like her!!!!

Lila is pure evil

Lila is mean and spiteful.

Pointless tv series