I don't understand neo... and you know i love you. Why dont you guys all do a 2 hour zoom meeting and come AS CLOSE TO what you think is best and work from there? I mean just randomly giving your feedback from eighteen different people with completely different opinions doesn't really help anything. Do you disagree?

Starts the video by talking about how different players have different visions, but the rest of the video is basically trying to convince blizzard that your vision is the correct one, by rejecting every changes by other players, calling it not necessary or should straight up be removed. Yeah, that kind of attitude is not really solving the problem with the current patch, it only adds more fuel to the fire.

I love Neo as a caster and influence to the wc3 community. Undeniable. His opinions on how we should balance the game, i ll take with a big grain of salt. I ve spent a lot of time in my youth years playing the game and building maps in the editor, to take it too serious, or even get upset. Meaning that Neo, no offense, your vision on balancing, superficial in comparison to the one of pro players. Still good feedback, always welcome.

You can't just change WindRiders XP to level 3, because than you have to NERF their stats to keep them balanced. Windriders should stay a Level 4 unit, and instead they should be given an HP/Armor upgrade at Tier 3. (Alternatively, you could just make Brute Strength apply to WindRiders. And possibly even Raiders, Kodos, and Shamans too).

It's not right when players influence balance changes, because they are biased, obviously.

Where’s the Chinese input considering what a massive part of the game they are? Are they going to be making their own patches or just staying with old patches?

lets be glad we have (halve?) a developer patching our game I suppose?!

Why you're calculating the old aura? It is 350 ms with frenzy, 385 with lvl 1 aura, 400 with lvl 2-3, In ptr it will be 320 ms with frenzy, 352 with lvl1, 368 lvl2, 384 with lvl 3 aura. So it's 33/32/16 ms nerf. FGhouls still will be faster than knights, dryads and mounted heroes even at lvl 1 aura.

Movespeed caps at 400 so funnily enough lvl 2 aura frenzy ghouls saw zero impact from the aura nerf. I do think a couple things to note on MS os that the relevant numbers are often the differential vs whatever it's chasing or chased by as it determines time to close/escape. This puts the nerf at around ~30% vs 290 Heroes as a decentish baseline. That's to say takes 30% longer to catch a slow hero, or 30% less time to split against aoe. I do want to stress though ghouls are still so fast, the timing windows in question will be quite small either way with exactly the exception of very fast units like 320 Heroes, Hunts, Knights,etc. All that said ms changes are very hard to gauge impact on.

I'm convinced this guy wakes up and chooses to be upset.

The problem with the RTS community is that THEY hate changes... like RIOT patches their every 2 weeks. Like cmon bro, change is good. this game is so dead if no changes

Love you Nea, but you waaaay overreacted to the latest patch notes. Just take breath it's not nearly as bad as you said.

Remove the ghoul frenzy upgrade and give it to taurens, bulls are supposed to be fast and strong while corpses are supposed to stay on the ground where they belong

Solution Part: You should also add a separate square with the Mapmakes/Hiveworkshop. I guess they are in the community inclueded but for me this is a way too important and ofter overlooked part of the community that deserves their "spot"

Incredible how you are so adamant about keeping Ghoul fast and Tauren slow while still denying Wyvern buffs.

Hey neo if you see this, perhaps I can help solve the tier 2 requirement for wand of negation. I do understand the restriction when you compared it to 3 races who unlocks dispel at tier 2. Tier 2, production building and upgrade. So I totally see why this would be the case, heck I even think it would need more upgrade or nerf to the item to make it fair. So here's my suggestion. Instead of temple they can go for slaughterhouse since this building is always necessary. Or they can keep it and make the wand a weaker dispel variant like the orcs has (shaman purge single target already and walkers disenchant that requires adept training upgrade) They can make the radius/AoE of the wand smaller or the range shorter to differentiate itself with spell devour from destroyers. Or my preferred idea, make the wand of negation remove effects on the spot where the hero use it, similar to the dust of appearance radius but it dispels for a short range.

A sure way to make something suck is to introduce a committee

Tbh I don't understand why blizzard does so much changes in the first place. That's not going to get old players back, certainly is not going to get me back. What makes players come back is new stuff, not some number changes. Maybe use this time to create some new units for the game.

Don't nerf Ghoul's movement speed. Old Blizz had a vision of fast zombies, why? Because it is fun. More decisions need to be looked at while asking "But is this fun?" Then ask "but is it OP?" and look at other areas where they could be nerfed without ruining the vision. Dragonhawks, never see them. They need that dmg buff too.

"If wisp survive longer, you can have more lumber." Nice approach LOL!

Feedback nerf is acceptable. Polymorph is interesting because of how far it needs to be just to reach poly, now open for more interesting strats, after all NOBODY spams sorceress. Sundering back to upgrade sucks but I guess that's fine, maybe make it also like the Pulverize where it has a "demo" version but deals around 3%? Control Magic, I will take Grubby's suggestion. Rifleman (Pala Rifle is gonna be fun) maybe from 10 to 15 hp. Dragonhawk... Can't say, signed an NDA. Nerf that Power building... its way too fast... Healing wards is like that polymorph case. headhunter is fine tauren 290 movement speed is quite fast (270 is for most units) serpent ward is good. Demolisher/ glaive/ meat wagon is acceptable. wind rider buff is good. most of NE buff is good Moonwell buff is extra good but not necessary. wisp is welcomed as it gives 1 extra hit from 4 to 5. natures blessing I love it. UD: 110 is decent dont touch haunted goldmine Frenzy is good, still faster than knight but not insanely fast. where frost wyrm buff though? the rest can't say signed an NDA. Firelord... soul burn nice. sad volcano. the rest acceptable.

This is what happens when you give power to the people, they just cherry pick what they like and what they don't and then complain.

Next time to do a community feedback together because Blizzard doesn't understand context lol.

Orc needs BUFFS to their Macro-game and Buffs to their Tier 1 units. Orc Tier 3 units /upgrades can't properly be play-tested, because they can never get their unless they skip Barracks and/or give up Map Control/Creeping.

have anyone considered that in base trade scenarios, if players lost supply buildings they won't be able to get zepps?

So will the poly of sorcerers wokring on heroes be a thing in games or 1.5 sec makes it unusable and they just wanted it to work on heroes but not enaugh for players to actually do it?

Neo thought blizzard was going to implement every single suggested change for all races from everyone who had their 2 cents on the matter and that's why he doesn't like the way blizzard does things??? They are under no obligation and neither should they implement every single change everone suggests, it's not cherry picking it's called they have a mind of their own they aren't your personal bitches... In the first place you should be grateful they're still so generous to be working on WC3 with a few patches per year, don't act like a self-important spoiled brat because you didn't get the exact toy you wanted. If you want full control then go ahead and make your own RTS.

Better do tanks who can attack ground, pickaxes etc than move numbers from left to right in the game that is already dead. Look at league of legends, they change everything every year, no balance at all, but still the game is alive and fun. Warcraft players (especially pro) using same gameplay patterns for ages, we need total meta and pattern changes, even if that's gonna be unbalanced, at least its gonna be fun to play and watch. The only thing that is required for this approach is patches once a few month, not once a year.

I think the people who work in wc3 are not even rts players or at least not hardcore rts players, so they don't really have an idea of what to do, so they just chose whatever changes they like from different sources without having an idea of what those changes truly mean, so we end up with these weird mess of completely random changes. I think the balance council thing might work, it does work moderatly well in sc2

Wand of Negation should cast a Ray of Disruption. I will die on this hill. I don't play the game btw.

These changes look chaotic indeed. Not much direction or vision for the game (ie risking mass air being broken and leading to boring games)

Any plans on moving beyond the Gold league?

Can only speak about HS BG in Detail. But in that regard blizzard seems like they are not playing their game. They listen to feedback after a few weeks, but they really dont learn from it and pump out broken shit the next patch again. It feels like they got noone on the team who plays the game actively

This balance council idea... if you wait for Blizzard to implement this you will be waiting a long time. I highly recommend you just organize this yourself then tell Blizzard "This is what we as a community are doing next patch".

Lol he is out when ud gets a slightly negative change

neo still confused how blizzard are doing things eventhough they are doing the same thing for 2-3 years now~~. they will change the numbers and throw out the changes according to feedback given and then everything will be ok again like always.

Someone tired of seeing Happy on top 1 so they convince Blizz to nerf the whole race. What a "wise" and "mature" "community". UD is so OP so you see UD mirrors in tournament finals... never.

@ 08:55 Undead bias detected. @ 16:42 Undead bias detected again

Doesn't "only number changes going forward" means that this is the last actual patch the game would receive?.

Air hater. 8:45 Seriously, what the hell? Tell this to the Zerg players.

In all honesty, I think these reviews and the constant whining from the community makes it impossible for developers to commit to any sort of advancement in the game. I cant imagine that there is much revenue to be had from wc3, and honestly i'm thankful that we are getting some patches after so long. There is never going to a perfectly balanced game, its impossible. It seems like they are tring to listen to feedback but at some point it become so contradictory and confusing to implement any sort of changes

FlyOrc is OP

just do some war3champion patch

Didn't tought i would see orc fans ad ud fans crying at each other 🤣🤣🤣

Buffs moonwells from 1.25 to 1.5 was so broken. Now elfs cry and cry so they get it back. But Blizz can't just return 1.5 so they did 1.45. Wisp life buff also is so ill-conceived. There were times when Blizzard add notes on every balance change describing reasoning behind every change. Because they were playing the game by themself. Now they add changes from "community" mindlessly. This wont end well.

Bruh how much did Happy pay you to make this video?

You always flip out when it comes to any changes to undead as usual...im tired of seeing happy and i cant wait to see what the future holds, stop fanboying

Undead might be fucked vs Orcs

Problem is. Too many changes in this old game. Changes MUST come in SPARSE and not like lol or dota where game just gets frightens at every single comment and fixes things every week.

Neo one brain cell

I don't understand why the devs would rather listen to a retired pro (Grubby) who rarely commentates on/participates in any competitive tournament (he recently made videos about Lyn vs Happy replays that Neo sent him to counter his "wind rider is tier D" comment, and he did change his mind after watching them. It further proves that Grubby is out of touch with the current meta. His obsession with Tauren literally got laughed at by Lyn the No.2 Orc player in the world right now) than the people who are actively commentating on competitive tournaments on a daily basis? This is not meant to be disrespectful to Grubby. It's just that he doesn't always have the best idea for balances especially when he's not actively in the competitive scenes.

И так уже игру на колени поставили, продолжайте в том же духе. Скоро комьюнити окончательно разделится и будет в FT играть

They nerf undead just cause of Happy? Haha omg