My Go To Mods For IDI Diesel Fords [Turbos, ZF5 Trans Swap]

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Hunter Goodrich

Hunter Goodrich

Күн бұрын

WHAT IS NEEDED FOR IDI ZF5 SWAP:
-Donor ZF5 trans must come from another diesel engine! Not gas engine
-Single mass flywheel conversion clutch kit
-ZF5 clutch fork
-Floor pan from a truck equipped with a ZF5
-Trans Crossmember moved back approx. 1.5in
-look for the speedometer cable port at the tail housing if you want to retain a working speedometer and cruise control
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0:00 Intro
3:40 Turbo Options
10:40 ZF5 Transmission Swap

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@wrenchin-n-wheels9482
@wrenchin-n-wheels9482 Жыл бұрын
I like OBS Fords also! I own a 1989 F250 XLT Lariat that I put a complete 6" Skyjacker F350 suspension under, 95 F350 Kingpin solid front axel and a 96 limited slip F350 rear axel. 4:10 gearing and 37" 16.5 Wrangler Military tires and Mickey Thompson wheels. Its 2 tone brown. Love my truck 🙂
@calholli
@calholli Жыл бұрын
If you pause at 19:38... If that bracket does end up moving on you in the future. A really simple way to fix it is to cut a notch at the very rear of the bracket so that it lines up with that rib on the trans-- and then slightly bend the end of that bracket so that it can no longer pivot on that single mounting bolt. So then when you try to shift, it can't pivot, since the bracket is basically hooked to that rib in the trans. Or you could just weld a couple of tabs there, on top and bottom of the rib; which you could later cut off again if you wanted to switch it all back.
@connellybrown4998
@connellybrown4998 Жыл бұрын
Love seeing the different video style! This guy can really do it all!
@hendo337
@hendo337 Жыл бұрын
One idea for a truck with only a 4 speed if it has a turbo is to raise the axle ratio to like 3.08 or 3.27. OD in a ZF is like 0.76 so you figure if you had 4.10s with the ZF-5 top gear would be similar to 3.08s in direct drive 4th. You still have a nice short 1st in the 4speed to get you off the line from there 2nd will be like going from 1st to 3rd with a ZF then 3rd and 4th will be closer ratios once you wind it up. I am guessing that as long as you have a turbo that gap between 1st and 2nd won't be so horrible and at least you're not moving too quickly yet and there is less resistance to overcome. Once it's rolling along at a good clip the 3.08s will probably feel pretty good, maybe 3.27s would be a slightly better if a few hundred more RPMs on the highway is tolerable to you compared to a ZF-5, if you have tall enough tires like he was saying, 38s with 3.55s would probably be ok with the 4 speed.
@greghoffstadt667
@greghoffstadt667 Жыл бұрын
Crazy Florida boy doin crazy Florida boy things. You are one of those folks that broke the mold. That is in a good way btw. Love the vidja
@sailingyemaya9781
@sailingyemaya9781 Жыл бұрын
You should try using a 2nd fuel tank with a electric fuel pump and fill it with nitromethane. Could be a fun experiment. Probably get a lot of views too
@wcmwfab935
@wcmwfab935 Жыл бұрын
Interesting and intreaging
@makeitwork583
@makeitwork583 Жыл бұрын
Mmmmm, nitromethane… I wouldn’t not watch that, 😂. This channel is going to blow the heck up, yo! Be well.
@shanecateriny4359
@shanecateriny4359 Жыл бұрын
Nothing would happen. Would basically shut off. You want no octain rating. Not a super high octain rating. The nitro would not combust. Now if you missed it into the engine while running is a different story. Like a water meth kit!!!
@ZachLovesFord
@ZachLovesFord Ай бұрын
Sounds less reliable
@Rick-kg1qn
@Rick-kg1qn Жыл бұрын
you yourself is a beast of a man keep up the content dude
@dtc989
@dtc989 3 ай бұрын
Love your vids, especially obs fords with idi! Subscribed
@charlieellenburg3465
@charlieellenburg3465 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video man! I ve already learned a lot and only 6:26 in. Tks I'm always on the hunt and "HUNT ER"another way to do it
@danielphillips8591
@danielphillips8591 Жыл бұрын
I have a 1986 f350 4x4 460 I like the body style as well You have really cool vids keep up the good work
@Daniel-cq6oq
@Daniel-cq6oq Жыл бұрын
I just brought a idi back to life. It’s badass
@MPSfixxer
@MPSfixxer Жыл бұрын
Awesome video man, really enjoyed it!!!
@dieselwrench3621
@dieselwrench3621 Жыл бұрын
The welds on that bracket look sweet 👍
@harveypaxton1232
@harveypaxton1232 22 күн бұрын
I had an 86’ F350 4x4 with a Banks Turbo. When I wanted to do the 4sp to ZF swap there were a couple of snags. You have to use the Diesel ZF because of the ratios. Banks wanted more for the Turbo mount and down pipe than I paid for the turbo kit and exhaust system. I ended up not doing the swap but put 325k miles on it before I sold it. I mainly towed with it so the top speed really wasn’t an issue.
@connordavis2560
@connordavis2560 Жыл бұрын
Love this content. Have a truck like this myself and have the same ATS kit
@nathanhelms1674
@nathanhelms1674 Жыл бұрын
Love the old fords as well as Chevy use to have a 93 model ford now got the 91 4 door R3500 square body.
@raysplace6548
@raysplace6548 Жыл бұрын
The Man, The Myth, The Legend.. 🍻🍻🇺🇸🇺🇸
@Mark_Tschetter
@Mark_Tschetter Жыл бұрын
These Utah trucks are amazingly clean, up here in Canada rust has pretty much destroyed ours
@shanepetersen2884
@shanepetersen2884 Жыл бұрын
rather interesting video to pop up as i have been working on my 87 6.9 idi i have come to the conclusion that i have either one or two sets of rings that are trashed so it is chugging oilbut it still has so much power which blows my mind. i have the zf5 tranns in my truck as well ........ i may end up doing a cummings swap but not sure as of yet thanks for the vid hunter
@shunloc9704
@shunloc9704 Жыл бұрын
The International 6.9 & 7.1 diesel is awesome (pre "PowerSmoke") damn near bulletproof
@brianhouse6675
@brianhouse6675 Жыл бұрын
It's awesome. I have a 80 f150 I converted to a 4wd truck and swapped out 351m and replaced with built 460. Would love zf5 or gear vendors overdrive I have 92 f250 extended cab with 7.3idi that I added a turbo. I added the Ats turbo that was used by ford on the 93-94 pre-powerstroke engines. No turbo noise and make 8-12 psi boost pending weather. E40d trans.
@charleswhite6677
@charleswhite6677 Жыл бұрын
Where did you get your ats kit? I have 89 4x4 7.3 IDI I want to turbo.
@hendo337
@hendo337 Жыл бұрын
It looks like the T-case is beefier on the older truck so it has the best combination of all now with the ZF in there.
@danielfouardlibertarianono8017
@danielfouardlibertarianono8017 5 ай бұрын
I love the bullnose my favorite. I had a 1986 F350 4 door with an 8" bed single wheel. With a 6.9 and a C6 no OD 3.55 gears and 185/75/16 tires. I could do 55 loaded or empty up hill and on the flat. It had half a million miles when I bought it and drove it till the body fell off. I have a bull nose now a1988 ext Cab F250 4×4 with the 5speed and 4;10 diffs and the 7.3IDI. even with 33" tires 65 is it. I love that truck also it's so comfortable and easy to drive. But hard as hell on fuel. I have another 82 F250 that has 8 hole hubs but not floating axles and 3;00 gears. I think they would raise my fuel mileage considerably. But at the cost of all of that pulling torque.
@bertarednecks3773
@bertarednecks3773 Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah idi content for the win
@noahm9593
@noahm9593 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video man!
@thewiseguy3529
@thewiseguy3529 Жыл бұрын
What a nice truck 💕 I love old iron.
@josephwalker4869
@josephwalker4869 Жыл бұрын
Love the video brother no worries 🤘🏼
@ChromeArty
@ChromeArty 6 ай бұрын
Dude, I thought you were wearing one of those prank hat/hair combos until you were on screen without a hat on! As a guy that doesn't take himself too seriously and is growing out a luscious mullet, I love it 😂
@juansaladzar
@juansaladzar 6 ай бұрын
Bull nose Ford is where it’s at brotha 👍
@bratanawanaluski7312
@bratanawanaluski7312 Жыл бұрын
You and zip ties and bias plys love them idi's!
@SootyDiesel81
@SootyDiesel81 Жыл бұрын
Solid axel swap the brown truck 👌
@ibanezleftyclub
@ibanezleftyclub Жыл бұрын
Bullnose and brickface were definitely the best gens.
@edwardgaskin4245
@edwardgaskin4245 Жыл бұрын
Awesome Hunter.
@teddylehn2185
@teddylehn2185 Жыл бұрын
It would be cool to see the difference with the overdrive zf5 compared to the T-19!
@ingodwetrust1136
@ingodwetrust1136 Жыл бұрын
Bullnose Idi are the best! I have an 86 f250 6.9 4x4 🇺🇲🍻
@jaredtrauch4403
@jaredtrauch4403 Жыл бұрын
I’ve got an 86’ F350 single cab dually 6.9idi bored 60 over with 67mm T04Z I’ve converted to 4x4 and converted to zf5 wStill waiting on body work for it but hoping to wrap up before summer of 23’. 🤞🏼
@mattleonard5268
@mattleonard5268 Жыл бұрын
6.9 with turbo, bb code injectors, electric lift pump, zf5, 3.55 gears, and tuned is a good option
@tombrenes2411
@tombrenes2411 Жыл бұрын
That brown bullnose is beautiful
@moneyfornothing3264
@moneyfornothing3264 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video 👏🏽👍🏽💪🏽
@lukedavies9140
@lukedavies9140 Жыл бұрын
You should do a in depth video on that diy turbo kit ? I’d like to see how you welded that manifold
@trashguy
@trashguy Жыл бұрын
You are making me miss my old 85 baby blue bull nose
@Classic.fisherman
@Classic.fisherman Ай бұрын
I might have to use ur turbo idea for bronco set up 👌🏽 makes it way easier for a big exaust and to service the turbo
@edholst1992
@edholst1992 Жыл бұрын
Has anyone wondered what Hunter would look like with the haircut love your videos man
@brianhouse6675
@brianhouse6675 Жыл бұрын
You could sell that adapter as the biggest pita is the stock mounting location. I'd buy the to allow more options to installing various turbo and ease of access
@jedk9523
@jedk9523 Жыл бұрын
thanks, my old van is slow and lumpy with its old 7.3. ima try to turbo it now :D
@hendo337
@hendo337 Жыл бұрын
The early ZF he was talking about is called a ZF-5 S42, the later version is the ZF-5 S47 if anyone was curious.
@WileysShenanigans
@WileysShenanigans 6 ай бұрын
Which of the two do you like better and why?
@BigBing1987
@BigBing1987 4 ай бұрын
Diesel s-47 zf'5s supposedly get slightly lower first gear and higher torque rating, and like he said electronic vs cable speedometer stuff. otherwise all the 7.3 zf-5s are basically interchangeable. An IDI Will likely never break either version, unless someone was just being super stupid with it., a power stroke 7.3 can break an s-42 of leaned on too hard.
@walkernewcome
@walkernewcome Жыл бұрын
R&D IDI performance out of Gillette Wyoming makes cams for these so you can run some higher boost.
@mromatic17
@mromatic17 Жыл бұрын
yes hunter pls make a lot more idi modding videos they are dope! i daily a gasser 94 f150 4x4 5.0 5 speed and I love it. I live local here in utard!
@BuckInchuteranch1
@BuckInchuteranch1 Жыл бұрын
I just replaced my water pump, put in a 185° thermostat and a 4 core replacement radiator from Amazon and my ‘93 7.3IDI CC barely gets halfway between the “N” in normal and the line on my temp gauge. Runs way cooler, will see what it does in summer. But that might help with overheating. I have never heard the fan move any air.
@whatsupyal
@whatsupyal Жыл бұрын
Hunter your Mad man so cool
@84CJ7
@84CJ7 Жыл бұрын
Like it good job.
@grumpyguys4082
@grumpyguys4082 Жыл бұрын
I do like watching other people work. Interesting video not a dangerous one lol.
@wassup599
@wassup599 6 ай бұрын
If anyone was curious since it wasnt brought up, you can use the zf5 cross memeber and it bolts right up rather than having to drill new holes in the t19 cross memeber
@wrenchin-n-wheels9482
@wrenchin-n-wheels9482 Жыл бұрын
Yeah my Brick Nose has the same speedo cable w/cruise
@andrewgable7273
@andrewgable7273 Жыл бұрын
Nice swap!!!! I was wondering about the drive shafts, but you addressed it, so no issues. You need a hair cut boy-o!!! Or was it just a very long day??!? Lol!!! See you in the next video!!!
@hendo337
@hendo337 Жыл бұрын
Leave this long haired country boy alone...🤣😂
@lodwill5116
@lodwill5116 22 күн бұрын
Oh hey.!! Thanks. I’m new to the ford lingo. Way to go.. oh ! Oh !! Ohio? I don’t live in Ohio. It just sounded goood 😮
@jessealvarado6939
@jessealvarado6939 Жыл бұрын
You had me at Ford 😂 🙏😎
@Jammer.1
@Jammer.1 Жыл бұрын
you gotta do what ya need for speed !
@lightman489
@lightman489 Жыл бұрын
AWESOME
@dylankeiser8155
@dylankeiser8155 Жыл бұрын
If ur pulling the trans you would be able to run up pipes with no problem beat the fire wall back some would be way better than the crap u got going
@johnnyteach8670
@johnnyteach8670 Жыл бұрын
Nice collection of Fords but ya need to add a Bronco
@zeeenk1
@zeeenk1 Ай бұрын
i just got a running 1985 f250 6.9 idi with 4 speed , looks just like yours. Got it for $850 with title
@Mr.Safety.
@Mr.Safety. Жыл бұрын
Ive always dreamed of a zf5 351 combo for my 2wd f150, think it does better mpg than a 302?
@0zn_KLR
@0zn_KLR Жыл бұрын
Is it possible to put a 7.3 power stroke Manifold and up pipes on these idis then run a stock 7.3 turbo?
@wrenchin-n-wheels9482
@wrenchin-n-wheels9482 Жыл бұрын
My cruise still works lol. My truck has 124k original miles though lol. I wish it had the 7.3 tho. Mine has the 7.5 460 big block gasser
@Llyduramax
@Llyduramax Жыл бұрын
I like you thinking😂😂
@ashiehakoto1490
@ashiehakoto1490 Жыл бұрын
show me how you work your magic Hunter I'm looking to get myself an '84 'Bullnose' Ford Bronco I. the one built on the F-150 chassis and platform. I never liked the Bronco II built on the ranger platform. come think of it, it would have been a fun project to do with my late uncle who passed dec23 2020. he would have totally been into it too. had a garage and worked a lot on fords. maybe his sons wont mind helping me purchase and build a Bronco I into an all purpose bush truck? worth an ask at least
@upchuckproductions9216
@upchuckproductions9216 Жыл бұрын
Dipchits in dunlops put an 8v92 blower on a 7.3 idi and I'm really curious what would happen if you did a 8v92 blower and turbo on one of these idis
@gromit848
@gromit848 Жыл бұрын
Any idea what transfer case you have in that bullnose? I've been told transfer case from a C6 auto will bolt to a zf5
@kman-mi7su
@kman-mi7su 6 ай бұрын
I'd love to swap in a ZF5 into my 1988 F250 7.3, currently its got a C6 automatic.
@jerry3041
@jerry3041 Жыл бұрын
Just bought a 83 6.9 idi with a banks sidewinder turbo kit on it but the drain pipe is leaking what would be a good fix for that and it's leaking coolant from behind the turbo where could that be coming from
@zowiefenderblast4602
@zowiefenderblast4602 Жыл бұрын
How do I bypass the water separator on my 86 f350 6.9idi 420. She's running rough.
@samshirley1962
@samshirley1962 Жыл бұрын
I wish I could find a decently priced transmission to replace the c6 in my 86 6.9. Thing is actually slower than a fully loaded semi🤣
@jasonholtzclaw4274
@jasonholtzclaw4274 Жыл бұрын
What’s up with the cab over in the shop , is that the Ford that heavy D purchased ?
@chriswalker5729
@chriswalker5729 5 ай бұрын
What is the driver pressure at 20 PSI on that? I have to think there are better turbos but if you are running 20 PSI on a 6.9 without studs, Im gonna get into one.
@SuperLewis711
@SuperLewis711 3 ай бұрын
I guess I’m late to the party, but dude… how much do you charge for the turbo bracket? That’s some cool stuff!
@bobfuller9803
@bobfuller9803 Жыл бұрын
Can you put a diesel motor in my 96 ranger?
@sabbath7081
@sabbath7081 6 ай бұрын
The only thing the dual Mass flywheel does is take away the growling sound in the ZF when you're in lower gears
@4460cows
@4460cows Жыл бұрын
I got a 94 7.3 I.D.I. Turbo with 300K on the engine but the Transmission is the Automatic ED04 which I am on my 3rd rebuild on and currently became a 3 speed manual matic. Lost the electronic overdrive and the transmission will only work if you manual bump up each gear so highway speeds is more like what you had back when you left college during finals week. Kinda getting tired of getting the auto trans rebuild which has not even always made warranty. I think the engine has too much power for this transmission. I just pulled all the original injectors because started getting diesel into the oil pan overfilling the engine. The factory dual tank fuel selector valve stopped working right smack in the middle of both tanks so got no fuel. Pulled that off the truck and took apart the valve to see if I could just clean it up and sure enough the valve selection mechanism were stuck. Cleaned them up with WD-40 and got the valves working again. So remounted up on the frame railing and hooked up all the lines. Test the dash board switch and fired up the truck. Got the fuel gauge to work again guess the resistance got so high it showed both tanks way over full. Next rebuilding all the soft lines and found that the two Tee-Cups on these stock Turbo I.D.I. are not part of the Standard rebuild kit also the 7 cylinder tee-cup is a single end of line not included and also not available at Ford. Think today found a dealer on the east coast that has one in stock so can't wait to finish up the build on the soft lines. My hard lines were all really good still and so is the injector pump. I have really enjoyed watching you in action on the Heavy D channel and also have enjoyed watching your Dad's channel at his mountain house labs. We can relate as we lost in fire this year. Beautiful old 3 story barn built back in the late 1800'S due to a fire which we lost 2 barns and 40 acres of forest lands. But air drops saved the homes and surrounding out buildings along with some closer neighbors properties.
@picollodiaries
@picollodiaries 6 ай бұрын
injector pump is still good at 300k?!?! hoping mine lasts too. how’re those tranny problems treating you nowadays?
@travismongeau9698
@travismongeau9698 Жыл бұрын
I have a 1990 idi I removed the lift pump and filter. And put a electric fuel pump/ filter out of a 1255 cat Tele. This advance the timing so I had to retard it. Also my truck is geared to low. It ran 70mph at 2600. So I fixed that by put a second transmission out of a c60 in backwards. Now I run 80mph at 1600 with the zf5 in 4th and the rear transmission in 3rd
@Boycott_Wendys
@Boycott_Wendys Жыл бұрын
Ya ever heard of the legend of Slave Lake🇨🇦?
@chuk2795
@chuk2795 Жыл бұрын
I can not find a transmission crossmember for my 4 speed that clears my front driveshaft to save my life, any help is super appreciated
@Tombstone8669
@Tombstone8669 Жыл бұрын
I have a 84 6.9 4speed. I turbo it. Bought truck for $650.00 I got $8,200.00 in
@mattmiller3282
@mattmiller3282 Жыл бұрын
I would love a Zf5 and turbo for my 87 6.9 but sadly cant afford the prices they want for that stuff so I'll have to stick with the old T-19
@hendo337
@hendo337 Жыл бұрын
Just lower your axle ratio to like 3.08s or 3.27s that'll drop your highway RPMs nicely. Be similar to 4.10s in 5th with a ZF-5, you'll have a big gap between 1st and 2nd, will feel like going 1st to 3rd with a ZF-5 once she is wound up 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th will be like 3rd to 4th and 4th to 5th with a ZF-5. If it's a 4x4 the tall gears won't be such a big deal really either since you have low range for situations when you need closer gearing. If it's 2wd than it really shouldn't be such a big deal since these trucks aren't fast anyway. A home brew turbo system will really make the tall gears not feel so bad since you'll have the extra TQ and boost to aid with hills and acceleration.
@shanepetersen2884
@shanepetersen2884 Жыл бұрын
just be thankful you have what you have my truck had the c6 no OD in it at first man that suckd!!!!
@thef1sh17
@thef1sh17 Жыл бұрын
2 volvo turbos, one left bank one right bank
@JohnSmith-kz1ll
@JohnSmith-kz1ll 11 ай бұрын
Well at least it's a good slip fit mine was so worn out it wouldn't sealhad a guy build me an up-pipe with v-band connections with the y-pipe works way better.
@mollyloveday4673
@mollyloveday4673 Жыл бұрын
Hunter Goodwrench I have a 1989 F350 flat bed with the 7.3 idi and I was wondering just how reliable is it I've had it for 3 months
@bigdaddysshop8180
@bigdaddysshop8180 22 күн бұрын
You can't kill the idi unless you turn up the fuel too much.
@Tech-NO-City
@Tech-NO-City Жыл бұрын
Well im broke as a joke, Id been thinking about making a video about that.
@MarkoMygun
@MarkoMygun Жыл бұрын
Hunter the vid cut off short man lol
@donalddday7741
@donalddday7741 Жыл бұрын
had a new 1984 F-150 short WB 4x4 with granny 1st gear, 300 cubic inch 4.9 6 cyl for 21 years sold it with 540,000 miles on it with many miles of off roading on it and only things that broke were the STUPID ELECTRONICS things, From what i hear about the newer pick ups from all builders is they just dont do the job like the older ones
@truckincowboy7029
@truckincowboy7029 Жыл бұрын
Hey man. I'm a former KZfaqr also and I also love working on obs fords. I was wondering if I could come hang out with you for the day and we could make a KZfaq video? I'm from vernal utah.
@akidafloof
@akidafloof Жыл бұрын
ey where the comically large "diesel locomotive" supercharger like that one guy supposedly installed on his camaro
@87fubar
@87fubar Жыл бұрын
gettin ready for a c6 to t19 swap on my 87 cannot find info for flywheel bolts
@HunterGoodrich
@HunterGoodrich Жыл бұрын
You’ll need a whole new flywheel
@87fubar
@87fubar Жыл бұрын
@@HunterGoodrich couldn't find anyone in my area parting out a truck but couldn't find info on type of bolts used do the bolts have shoulder or flange head
@HunterGoodrich
@HunterGoodrich Жыл бұрын
@@87fubar it would be worth just buying a new flywheel, you could get a whole clutch kit including flywheel for $375
@87fubar
@87fubar Жыл бұрын
@@HunterGoodrich everything is new just no idea of hardware type used for flywheel to crank
@HunterGoodrich
@HunterGoodrich Жыл бұрын
@@87fubar oh gotcha. New hardware typically comes with the clutch kits!
@Joe___R
@Joe___R Жыл бұрын
Hunter, Please clean your camera lens with proper glass cleaner. Then look at the image before you start filming. You regularly get a slight oily hase on lights in your videos.
@HunterGoodrich
@HunterGoodrich Жыл бұрын
My lens is clean, something’s just wrong with my camera, I need to get a new phone
@gavincarroll2553
@gavincarroll2553 Ай бұрын
They don't even make 180 stock they make like 150 at the flywheel
@dehartautomotive5442
@dehartautomotive5442 Жыл бұрын
Idk why but I guess my comment was deleted. I have the same name. I also fabricate and weld and love idi ford's. I have a built 7.3 idi
@dehartautomotive5442
@dehartautomotive5442 Жыл бұрын
If you ever come up to WA let me know and you can come check out the truck and builds I'm doing in the new shop.
@troybailey8113
@troybailey8113 Ай бұрын
I doubt a turbo would add anywhere near 100 hp to a idi. Or doubles it. The factory turbos made I wanna say 190, and allegedly they made a little more then that. I'd love to see one on a dyno tho
@jakerobinson862
@jakerobinson862 Жыл бұрын
IDIs were put into dump trucks factory. They also came with turbos factory in those dump trucks. They would last a long time. As long as you aren’t plugging wastegates and you are watching EGTs, I doubt 20lbs of boost will shorten the lifespan of those things that much
@malfunctionjunction6574
@malfunctionjunction6574 10 ай бұрын
That’s an HY35
@stakman78
@stakman78 Жыл бұрын
Come on bro tell us the logistical shut down,,,, come on do tell.. Not because your up for days on end chasing the dragon,, lol
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