My Honest BAC4000 Review (for Sur Ron)
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Күн бұрынI've had the BAC4000 controller upgrade for the Sur Ron for about 5 months now, these are my thoughts and experience.
Green Line BAC4000: bit.ly/BAC4000 Discount Code: JUICED15 (save $15)
emotobros bac4000: emotobros.com/products/ols/products/asi-bac4000-plug-and-play-kit-for-surron
Sur Ron upgrades and mods:
Bars: amzn.to/3xDaIlU (in stock, but more $)
Peg extension and stabilizer: amzn.to/3N3AJAw (in stock)
Seat Extender: amzn.to/3bjm2fi (stronger)
Power upgrade: BAC4000 + Egg Rider + BMS bypass kit
Foot Pegs: amzn.to/3n5Wbdy
Tires: amzn.to/3O9ljMA
Grips: amzn.to/3O4gh3P
Brakes: amzn.to/3tT7FVM
Sprocket: amzn.to/3xGJgUk
Chain: amzn.to/3OMxgI3 (don't forget chain breaker tool)
It costs about $1000 and you can get it from a multiple places. Green Line Engineering and EMoto Bros are two of the more popular options to buy a BAC4000. I got mine from emoto bros, and in this video I'll explain my experience with this sur ron controller upgrade and whether i'd do it again or not.
@Buffetology Жыл бұрын
GLE also has four braking modes and it’s plug and play and you can tune a substantial amount of things including after market motors.
@mikein60fpstwitch.tvaliber73 Жыл бұрын
Nice, great vid tons of info here. Really helps with people "on the fence" when it comes to performance upgrades. Have alot of upgrades on my ride except performance 🤣 but at least i feel i could "talk" my way out of having problems with the po po (have the petal kit) not fully functional but ha ha /yeh, after changing controller etc and other mods, prob not so much. Anyway great stuff, great video editing also btw. -Cheers
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
😂 the pedal kit would be very beneficial if that situation arises. Thanks for your compliment! Happy riding!
@patrickmckowen2999 Жыл бұрын
Good vid 👍 So you had to bypassed the batteries BMS which was limiting the current draw? Are you not worried to over draw current and over heat the batteries, potential fire? Cheers
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
😆 initially I was not, there more I ran it the more the possibility ran thru my mind, I’ve since deployed to a new battery. Thanks for the compliment sir
@1917VIL Жыл бұрын
Great edit, man!
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ultimatesoccershow Жыл бұрын
Top notch video! Cheers :)
@ethanweckwert Жыл бұрын
Hey man! was curious, are you running 19" wheels and shinko 244? Got 12" mini motos but really wanting to put bigger wheels back on as its super limiting on the off roading you can do
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
Yep, stock wheels with shinko 244, the video on my homepage shows all the upgrades. Have been thinking about swapping to the 241 trials style to see the difference. I’m happy 😃. Would be nice to try new wheels one day!
@yafois988 Жыл бұрын
sounds like the Ctl is supplying trickle voltage. Perhaps looks at the wiring and install a zener diode on a wire to then readout to block parasitic voltages the shouldn't be there. , Or maybe the throttle is not going back to zero positions should inducing slight throttle request? Need to examine these things.
@dexgray4581 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always! I meant to ask you, have you had any interactions with police officers positive or negative? I’m planning on getting the electric power pedal kit, and not cutting the wire to keep it at 28 Miles per hour, however it seems the SurRon has gotten a lot of negative attention because of the many kids in my area ripping wheelies down busy streets going 45+ miles per hour :-/ I’m in orange county.
@peps1926 Жыл бұрын
so you basically spent 4500 dollars on an electric dirtbike to use it as an electric bicycle that only goes 28 mph... Could have just gotten a Super73 for cheaper and same experiance
@sunnydays3476 Жыл бұрын
Would you rather go with EMB or LH????? Interesting free Eggrider vs Regenerative brake plug-n-play. I feel like the regen brake lever could save a lot of money on brake pads
@SS-ln3dg Жыл бұрын
Hmmmm 🤔
@Tonybob_Skinnyjeans Жыл бұрын
I had the same issue with my throttle. So the reason it kept applying power to the bike after letting off on the throttle is because of the throttle threshold response.nThere should be a way for you to tune it and increase the gap in the app. It essentially just thinks that the throttle is applied when you aren’t touching it. If you increase the gap, it should stop but don’t increase it too much or your throttle response will be wacky
@Danielxperez14 10 ай бұрын
yea my surron does the opposite, instead of always being actuated, the throttle has a delay so maybe same way to fix?
@Tonybob_Skinnyjeans Жыл бұрын
I had the same issue with my throttle. So the reason it kept applying power to the bike after letting off on the throttle is because of the throttle threshold response. There should be a way for you to tune it and increase the gap in the app. It essentially just thinks that the throttle is applied when you aren’t touching it. If you increase the gap, it should stop but don’t increase it too much or your throttle response will be wacky
@je7647 Жыл бұрын
I keep reading this and it’s concerning
@kscoran Жыл бұрын
Went with the BAC 8000 and love it !
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
Nice choice, I may need it one day
@kscoran Жыл бұрын
@@JuicedJoyrides yeah I wasn’t sure what to go with and my guys recommended the 8000 , buy once cry once they say 😂
@JayOh Жыл бұрын
sounds like your throttle was not returning to 0? the grip can get frictiony on the end of the bars if its too far on
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
That was my first thought too, but it wasn’t the case. This throttle has quite a bit of dead space in the first part of the rotation, I feel certain this was not the issue, I checked for it multiple times
@exploringbc431 Жыл бұрын
After some time, would you still recommend this controller? I have the 2023 surron c w the 38 ah battery. Planning on getting the controller soon and keeping stock battery for now.
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
yes, this controller is gold paired with chi 72v 38ah
@exploringbc431 Жыл бұрын
@@JuicedJoyrides thanks 👍 at this time I just have the stock 60v 38ah but will likely be upgrading the battery in the future. Thanks for the vids 👊
@jasonhartless3797 7 ай бұрын
Can you help me with configuring the settings on my eggrider v2 to gle bac4000 on 60v battery not bypassed? I can't get help anywhere, I've tried contacting every person you can think of.
@seanssends 2 ай бұрын
Sick video. Debating whether I will make the investment or not. Thanks for pointing out the pros and cons as opposed to just one or the other.
@markedwardhosinski5553 Жыл бұрын
What is the new top speed when you had the bac4000 and the stock bypassed battery I’m thinking of buying one but I can’t find a vid where it says it
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
50ish with my weight, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a7VnZsaE27ucpn0.html
@markedwardhosinski5553 Жыл бұрын
@@JuicedJoyrides ok thank you
@gregorypatzelt6964 11 ай бұрын
Can the bac4000 be used for the stock battery bypassed and also a 72v when you have a chance to upgrade? On the website it asks if youll be using a 72v or a bypassed stock battery. Can the same bac4000 do both? Im new to this so any info is helpful. Thanks! Also, from what i understand, buying it from emoto bros comes tuned whereas green line engineering versoon does not? As in the emoto bros version has an app and software to tune it. Is this true?
@JuicedJoyrides 11 ай бұрын
That’s exactly what I did. You just need to reprogram it when you get the 72v battery.
@gregorypatzelt6964 11 ай бұрын
@@JuicedJoyrides is it easy to reprogram the controller? In other words, do they walk you through it/ is there info available to do so?
@tibiamademedoit6486 2 ай бұрын
good stuff
@andrewkelley1178 Жыл бұрын
When we went to the bac4000 does your throttle feel way more sensitive? Mine does and it not very usable.
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
Mine is excellent
@zimbronrons 11 ай бұрын
same here are you still having same issue?
@andrewkelley1178 11 ай бұрын
@@zimbronrons I simply got used to it
@Danielxperez14 10 ай бұрын
mine is the opposite, its very delayed and idk what to do
@zimbronrons 10 ай бұрын
@@Danielxperez14 have you retuned your throttle?
@maickoltango4902 Жыл бұрын
How do you tune the bac 4k when the 72 volt comes in?
@maickoltango4902 Жыл бұрын
We needs to know
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
I haven’t looked into it yet, probably should start checking into it, battery is scheduled to arrive on Thursday!
@bubblybrody Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information on the suRrOn, i’m glad you kept identifying the sUrRoN so I was never confused that you were clearly talking about the SuRrOn. Just say the name fucking normal please
@joefoley4358 Жыл бұрын
ah dang wish I could have the old controller fo my ebike cuz I just got a cheap one n cant afford them nice ones lol
@JohnDrach Жыл бұрын
In a nutshell, why do you want this thing? What are the differences and gains from the stock controller?
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
Stock controller can only do like 5kw, this can do 12kw
@Atw.alex123 4 ай бұрын
Bro wtf is the speed with it?
@Busabuck100 10 ай бұрын
Bypass the battery ? Does that mean bypassing the bms ?
@felipehcraftgamer4193 Ай бұрын
Probably
@MotoRiff77 Жыл бұрын
I stopped spending crazy money on the ebike and bought a motorcycle but it was fun to have
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
I’m tempted to add a gas bike to the stable too, I love the Sur Ron for its versatility to ride where bicycles go, and no money on gas (as I spend $2300 on a new battery 😂)
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
What motorcycle did you go with?
@MotoRiff77 Жыл бұрын
@@JuicedJoyrides yamaha mt07 its on my channel
@therealbojak Жыл бұрын
Sounds like your throttle wasn't calibrated or it was incorrectly calibrated. You are kind of at the mercy of the dealer to "tune" your bike. I would like to tune/edit my controller myself... I bought the KO motor controller for this reason.
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
Nice, I’ve been looking at that one too. How do you like it? Did you get the ko motor as well?
@therealbojak Жыл бұрын
@@JuicedJoyrides I love it. They are actively developing new products as well. I don't have the motor yet. I'm waiting until mine blows up
@supersecretyoutubeaccount Жыл бұрын
I like the ko moto
@TabooRevolution13 10 ай бұрын
The display it's self drawing a tiny bit of power?
@robertwilliams5964 Жыл бұрын
EMB are the boys sent me one and same country sad green line motors
@Strange_Brew Жыл бұрын
I converted my stock controller to an 4000 for about 70$ in parts. I used better caps and fet’s.
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
I don’t understand how this is possible, can you tell me more or link me to some references you used to do this? What is the watt draw you can do now?
@Strange_Brew Жыл бұрын
@@JuicedJoyrides I’m an engineer. Pretty much simple for me. I guess I should make a video on this but would piss some people making these controllers!!
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
Nice. I actually am an electrical engineer by “school” too 😆, never really enjoyed circuits much
@jonlock7150 11 ай бұрын
@@Strange_Brewcan you please share more info lol
@vaassick8016 Жыл бұрын
Can you or anyone point to a video showing the installation..the more detailed the better 🙏
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
emoto bros have the longest most in depth video on this
@sheridanarnold6467 Жыл бұрын
Bro the way u say surron😂😂
@jonlock7150 11 ай бұрын
Yes man seriously lol
@anthonycurtiskeller 8 ай бұрын
I feel like the egg rider just complicates everything, can’t beat the GLE dashboard for their bac4000
@SALUTEoverEVERYTHING Жыл бұрын
Anyone who is buying a bac4000 please cut your brake sensor cable. There has been accidents where when you apply the brake it will throttle!
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
that's terrifying
@joem8601 Жыл бұрын
Not for me Got mine from GLE You can disable those in the brake setting menu
@jonlock7150 11 ай бұрын
Can you please tell me how to cut it? Just bought my son a bac4000 and this is crazy
@Orenbly88 5 ай бұрын
@@jonlock7150you just unplug it or change ur brakes
@duwaine96 Жыл бұрын
Damn Richie Rich rich 🤑🤑🤑..
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
😂
@MENAC3_ Жыл бұрын
He said surRon 😂.. never heard someone say it like that lmao
@clay6440 Жыл бұрын
sur-RON!
@sirfartblaster 7 ай бұрын
Suuur rOn
@looking_33 Жыл бұрын
the way you say sur ron is infuriating
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
Oops
@Tony_Seed Жыл бұрын
You’d really regret having bought that green line controller. Also everyone knows and emotibros states you need to bypass the battery hats not a “disappointment” Remove you brake sensors
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
why do you say that about GLE?
@alexsgocart Жыл бұрын
What's wrong with the GLE? I'm loving the GLE app and 2nd throttle for regen.
@thercdude9382 20 күн бұрын
SSSSuRonnnn
@robertwilliams5964 Жыл бұрын
I've bought one and there saying dint delivery too the UK 🇬🇧 and not refunded my I watch green line company its a scam sent 6 emails no reply ask too be paid so I paid and there cancel the order after payment was made in full £900,00 pound stillno refund going through PayPal too get the money back sad company I'm British don't bye
@harrirauhanummi 7 ай бұрын
Maybe they could not understand what you wrote…
@Timbodacious Жыл бұрын
bro you guys waste so much money upgrading sur rons. you could have made your own brackets and had a 10kw controller for $500. oh man you used a lighter on shrink wrap.... a hair dryer or heat gun are better. the problem with your throttle applying low power by itself is that some controllers use a different voltage range for their throttles. your throttle might just be making the controller think your throttle is engaged. You should be able to change all the regen settings by getting deep into the actual controller on the bac. with the cable and computer app.
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
I’d love to know how to get a 10kw controller for $500, how do you? Thanks for your input on the throttle applying power, hope the problem doesn’t come back
@stefangebauer6741 Жыл бұрын
just buy a trop 😅
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
What’s that
@andymartinez1426 Жыл бұрын
Ouch 🤕 that’s expensive
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
😬 I know… yolo
@markheron2674 3 ай бұрын
Surron 😂😂
@jimlahey5354 Жыл бұрын
Dude you need to stop being lazy and read the manual. Emoto Bros has a video on how to set up the BAC 4000. They talk about setting throttle voltages.
@dualshock1909 Жыл бұрын
Why do you say sur ron so weirdly
@JuicedJoyrides Жыл бұрын
Because I don’t know how to read
@dualshock1909 Жыл бұрын
@@JuicedJoyrides sounds like you have a lot of fun on it by how you say it. Weirdly was probably the wrong word to use but I am a bit retarded sometimes
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