If you store it, flip the leather inside or store it upside down. If it dries out, oil it. It’s not rocket science.

Wash it off with saddle soap, it'll condition the leather and keep it soft and maluable.

Leather needs leather conditioner on it regularly. Don't blame the company for your lack of knowledge of maintenance

If a Pipe liner helmet is "heavy". you need to man up! damn Brah its one of the best out there.

Cover the leather with sensitive skin foamy shaving cream, as much as you would use on your face. Hang it from the leather with some alligator clips and re lather it with foamy every couple hours or as often as possible (I had the same thing happen, fixed it proper.) Cheers

Thank you for the video i was just about to buy a outlaw leather flip front but you answered all of my questions.

The title to your video should be “ I fu*?ed up my Outlaw leather shield”

Hey JTwelder, I am a member of the Boiler Makers local 128. I Just finushed my last term of school for pressure system welder. This is a great video because i was looking at these shields for a while wanting one cause of all the same reasons you stated. But i didnt want to spend the $$ on it. So i just altered that cheap $15 flip front you have. To be similar to the outlaw leather. Leather on the top shield and neck bib protection. I had a similar thing happen. I was working up in Sault ste. marie on a tank job and it was pretty cold. needless to say the leather warped pretty good where the neck protection was and defeated the purpose of the shield. I am not a fan of those tiger hoods to big and bulky and always falling down in front of your face. 1. So what i did was i bought a similar flip front to that one in the video(cheaper flip front). But the hinges for the flip front on this one were plastic and you can take them out easily(sweetness). I removed one of the springs so you can flip the flip front down with a simple nod. (Right on!) similar to this video. 2. Then cut the top off. Plastic part on the top of the shield and riveted leather similar to what the top of the outlaw leather looks like. That part was always pretty good. So it can fit the contour of the hard hat and when your welding 7010 it stops you from wearing the sparks on the money maker lol. 3. I bought a Lincoln Viking shield a while back because well I was a newb. They are more for a shop setting. You dont use them on site cause they will get jacked or broken. But the useful thing about that is it came with a hard hat adapter. It is the best hard hat adapter i have used to date. So I attached that hard hat adapter to the flip front and Bam!!! Works good. You can buy those hard hat adapters seperetely. I recommend trying something similar Bro. Also another point you made in the video. I definetely recommend you to get the flip front pocket hood from outlaw leather. we were doing return bends in school and my buddy was using one and he said he fogged up a little bit. But it was great for the tight spots. So I got one to haha to be honest havn't used it yet but i am sure it will come in handy. Gets rid of all the back light as well, fits like a pancake hood. Anyways cheers man thanks for your content and the pros and cons of the shield. Who knows might work with you on a job some day haha.

Ive been using the tigerhood version of this hood in the shipyard all winter. Gotta condition that leather ,boss. Also, i see your a union boilermaker. Good for you. P.s. i work in Wisconsin.

Overall I ditched all my pipeliners completely and I am now using my cheap $12 plastics hoods only. They are lighter, more compact, cheaper, have a better flip front, flexible, and have a better system to swap out lenses so they beat the Sellstrom on a pipeliner in every category that matters to me.

thank you for the tip ! it's true to stick old school when you're running tanks or you're running power plants a nuke plants.. I remember being an apprentice ,the old timers just used to hold a lense in their hands when we were in training😂... boiler makers and ship yard welders .. I was determine to have a comfortable and well cared for hood , that's why I just stuck to being an union ironworker welding all position all metal .... take care of your eyes 👀 ONCE AND DONE MOBILE WELDING 👊😎

thanks for sharing your opinion! Not sure if you've tried this but You may be able to reset the leather by soaking it (as needed) with water. Then as it slowly air dries, hang the hood in a proper stance, re-position the leather, and apply a bit of leather protection so the hide doesn't crack when completely dry. I've had success re-shaping leather that way :)

I have ran lots of flux core. 5/64 wire. It does get very hot. I have actually a time or two melted the the tip and nozzle off the welder. It was dual shield flux core so as soon as the nozzle melts you lose the C02 shielding gas and get porosity in the weld. Fun times

add a small magnet to the hood above the flip up lens. or to your hardhat. helps with all the dust and little metal bits

There are a couple tricks to keep your bottom leather from curling up. Clean your hood. I wipe mine down daily or as needed with spray furniture polish to included the leather. Keep it conditioned with mink oil (maybe once a week). Occasionally or as needed, clean the leather with saddle soap. Another tip to keep your bottom leather from curling up is, stop setting the hood down so that it pushed the leather up. Every time you set the hood down in a way that the leather is pushed up, you are training the leather to curl up. I almost always hang my hood on a hook on my bottle topper or on a hook on the side of my fab cart. A welding hood is an investment, take care of it. I have been running cut down hoods, mostly pipeliners, for quite a while

I heard you can put electrical tape around the flip up where the lights get in. When mine warped I just put electrical tape around it and now the light doesn't get in at all. But I would rather get a new one

I saw those hoods on Facebook being advertised but already had a pipeliner in perfectly good shape. So since I can't leave anything alone... I decided to use an old leather welding sleeve I had and cut out a piece just for the top of the pipeliner... I was worried that the bottom leather wouldn't hold up and it looks like I thought right... Boy that really stinks. I would recommend a half chopped setup with just the top cut like I have. Super lightweight and still durable on the bottom

if you condition the leather it will soften up.also, ive seen this done plenty in industrial settings. the leather they use is also thinner.

Personally I replaced the bib with cow hide leather and custom cut myself from an old leather apron. Cow hide leather stays soft and I lay it on top of the leather as well.

I have two outlaw hoods love both of them, both tiger hoods, 1 flip front 1 large window. One of mine did something similar to this, condition the shit out of the leather and then steam iron it flat. Then stop sitting it on the leather like that. Problem solved

Nice another brother from local 128, Dan Levis here. Take one spring out of your flip front. Or any shield for that matter! Works like a champ. I do a LOT of tig in Sarnia hopefully I dont fuck mine up like yours! Thanks for your review!

What's wrong with the stock Fibermetal flip fronts?

JT Your video was one of the reasons I got my pipeliner. Then during school I upgraded to a Viking 2450 and I prefer my pipeliner I wish I could pull my head gear from my Viking and put in in my pipeliner that'd literally be my dream hood because of how comfortable the Viking head gear is

I’ve had one for about 5 months. I contacted outlaw about the leather drying out. They recommend using leather conditioners 1-2 times per week depending on your usage and welding process.

Glad I saw this. Thank you for the review

The leather is SUPER easy to replace. Order some leather on etsy, and buy some Chicago style fasteners for leather off amazon. The fasteners screw together, and are easily replaceable. I ordered high quality ostritch leather off etsy, and made my own helmet, WAY nicer than that outlaw. Lmao but i love leather work, i made a full leather hoodie with built in gauntlet 5mm thick. I stitched it together with Kevlar thread. All the boys at work try to get me to make one for them.

Saddle soap to moisten. Then a good boot oil to maintain. Easy to fix that leather.

So if you want to not scrape the weld lens when putting the clear lens in put two clear lenses on the front of the weld lens then your not scratching it. And also it’ll keep it from not moving as much.

Gotta love the boilermaker stickers

So what you're saying is that if you store your tools poorly and add a flip that isn't the flip it comes with it doesn't work well? Sounds like user error.

wuts up boilermaker thanks for the review, stay warm up there! lol see you on the tubes brotha! boilermaker local 627 phoenix AZ

i took the princess auto hood you got there, went to a leather shop, grabbed a chunk of thinner leather than the outlaw leather style (non polished i think is the term) drilled a couple holes and cut the lower half off the helmet. works perfect for tight spaces, light, durable, and after putting in a nice fixed shade shade 11 lens came out to 60 bucks canadian. i weld fire surpression pipe in a fab shop in ottawa

It looks like the leather dried out. Something you could try and do is use a leather treatment like obenaufs to get moisture back into the leather.

Quit ordering pipeline hoods just to put the sellstrom . Just get the fiber metal hood with the flip front from the factory, it’s much lighter

You could get a steamer & use it to fix the leathers shape I did it on mine 👍🏼

serious question, i got a couple stickers for this exact type of helmet. can you put stickers on the leather part ?

Whenever u take off the clear lense, u have to remove the little plastic cover in the back and then they will all slide off easily. And when installing new lense put them inside and then add the plastic thing back together 👌🏾👍

I have an outal tigerhood not the pipeliner it come with the flip fron already and the leather is thiner so a bit more flimsy,and i got a lot of buddies that got that thicker leather and it hardens pretty quick,almost a year since ive had mine and its still flimsy,for sure will get another one of that leather

Dude I’ve had my outlaw for well over a year. You never set it down like that. I’ve melted a flip up and my leather is still the same shape it was when I bought it.

I’ve had mine for 4 months, and it’s still in great shape. Take care of your shit and it will take care of you.

Find a old helmet as a shape to form leather on and damp the leather and use a damp tea towel and iron the leather back to shape hope it helps and use needs foot oil to get lots of moisture back into the leather

Anyone know how to replace the lens for the flip up outlaw leather hood? Ive been having trouble replacing them and cant find an easier way on doing it

were can i buy one in ths united states

I have a hood that became like that really quickly however I dont live somewhere cold I live in ARIZONA. Lowest it gets here is 20 once a year but average cold is 50 then 120 all summer So I think it has something to do with leather they using

The extra thick clear lens might be for room to add a cheater lens. Maybe, idk.

Take a steamer to the leather and the leather will straighten out to original form when manually moved. Cool it and boom. Fixed.

I know people are saying all these different soaps and products and you found a better hood already (btw i git the welding hood you recommended its amazing) but maybe if you heated it hot again an then pull it back in place but i understand you hate that hood so 😂 love the princess auto flip hood 👍

Pipeliners cloud makes a carbon fiber chopped hood with leather that never gets hard and bent

I took the leather off a old welding jacket for neck protection it stays flexible USA union boilermaker here

Fill your kitchen sink with some hot/warm water. Dunk the leather portion into the water. It should soften up after a bit. Stretch and Reshape the leather.. Let it dry good. Condition with oil. Just regular vegetable cooking oil will work.

I agree. I bought the same one. Love the hood but it did not work for my application. I’m a union pipefitter, anytime I have to squeeze in a tight spot, that leather is constantly getting in the way and then you end up heating the leather up so much it shrinks just like yours did offering no protection. GREAT when you get some nice bench welds to do all day but when do you ever get those..

Treat the leather with Obenauf's HD LP Paste. It's designed for wildland firefighter's boots but works great for welding leather due to it's resistance to heat and incredible leather protection. It'll also help restore that leather back to a useable state.

It helps when setting these Hoods down, to flip the Leather inside of the hood, it’ll keep the leather uniform longer.

How many volts at what wire thickness you run?

you can buy the leather bits from them btw

The grinding lens is thicker because it safety rated the other ones are to protect the lens

Just buy the fibre metal Futura that already has a flip front on it and it's better then a tiger hood in my opinion. I'm not a huge fan of the selstrom flip front. Or a jackson wh10 with the flip front but the jackson hard hat adapters suck but they have awesome soft band. I'm also a boilermaker. Local 13💪

Maybe you could oil that leather, and work it out straight.

If you hate it so much, send that thing to me I'll use it!

just geta tigerhood leave the pipliner for pipe welders. cool seeing a brother making content. I'm local 83

Where you get that $12 helmet from?

If you hate it so much and not going to use it I will take it

You can change the leather

You can use leather conditioner (Liquid) on the back or send it to Outlaw Leather and they will refurbish the leather for you.

I have an esab sentinel a50, and a princess auto flip front. I use the esab sentinel a50 for Tig its awesome... I never wear a hardhat tho.

Are you 203 or 128? Is there a lay off? Trying to get in.

Got the same hood, and I also have the same problem. I live close to outlaw tho, so I’m just planning on going over and getting it redone. Also bruh, it’s sellstrom not shellstrom🤷🏽‍♂️

Wash with saddle soap, then rub mink oil into the leather. The cold didn't make it stiff like that. I'll buy it from you if you don't want to take care of the leather.

Bro i hate them outlaw hood all the uv light goes in my eyes

I would try to RE condition the leather and keep it oiled

Warm the leather back up with a blow torch lol maybe it will work mayb not. Id take the lense off befor trying it ou

Great video. And the Militaire Sans Frontieres sticker on your hood just earned a sub.

Try oiling it with veggie oil

Leather conditioner needed to maintain suppleness

the cold has no issue on the leather, I am in Florida and my hoods leather did the same thing in a shop that is 80 degrees F.....

Long shot, but if you don’t want that hood I’ll buy it off you. Boilermaker myself, always looking for another hood

So glad i watched this before i got one of these

Need to wet the leather and form it back

Thanks for the review (local 146)

Try wet forming the leather over a pipe the same diameter.. The you can harden the leather with a propane torch.. Trust me I'm a Welder/Tin Basher and a Leather Worker..

Canadian welding supply my friend save yourself on import cost

You have to take care of of the leather. You running flux core the arc flash is drying the leather out. I wash the leather with soap and water. Then drape it on a round surface so it will dry with shape. Once it’s dry, condition the leather with mink oil.

I have the same hood with flipfront same bad choice i made it hate hahah heavy as helland my lenses will fall out from time to time

I got one and couldn’t even use it let so much light in.

THIS is a PIPE SHIELD!!!!

You can buy leather conditioner and probably bring it back to life

Yeah bro I did an Instagram post about the exact same issues! I used mine 4 hours and it’s collecting dust now

Are you a union boilermaker?

And you would’ve been better off buying a tiger hood also guess that lens is nice but looks pretty dam heavy

Treat the leather with Obenauf's LP paste. It's good for your boots too(the paste or oil version).

Gotta oil the leather.

I think those are for looks people get em cause they look cool but there not practical at all

Get some leather conditionner, it will softer that leather.

hey sell me it i live in ontario ! let me know

Mink oil

mink oil buddy.

Put mink oil on the leather and you won’t have that problem

Oil the leather🤣

If yer lid is too heavy yer neck is too skinny.

Take more care of your hoods