These local peculiarities in the test violate the basic principle that if you pass a test in one area, you should be able to safely drive in any area.

This is a great example of our systems teaching people to pass a test, rather than teaching them to drive - hopefully this specific issue will be changed in the future.

I strikes me is that where the DVSA fails here is that any driving test should be able to be passes by a driver with no local knowledge, and certainly without the benifit of an instructors knowledge of the local test centres quirks and foibles. What your pupil did appeared to me to be safe and legal, so there should be no problem.

100% agree. To add to your comments: 2 lanes on approach - 2 on exit so both viable. In addition the left lane is NOT marked left only so again viable.

At the end of the day, your pupil negotiated the roundabouts safely and didn't confuse or inconvenience any other road user. Should NOT have failed! Always preferred the 'advanced' approach of RoSPA / IAM as it is much more flexible....DVSA can be too rigid in their thinking!

The footage of your student looked absolutely perfect to me.

I failed my car test once on a single major - I drove around a deep floodwater puddle on my side of the road and was told I should have forded it to prevent anyone undertaking me. I'd checked my mirrors and didn't know how deep it was, so I remain firm to this day that I was unfairly failed. Booked another test for a week or two later and passed just fine.

As a Instructor of 22years I agree with your analysis. What is important here is did your pupil deal with the situation safely? If the answer is yes, then they should not be faulted.

I agree with you Ashley. not only I agree, I think the other drivers around expect the same.

Totally with you, the fact it's 2 lanes all the way through makes your way of doing it perfectly sensible.

First off your students driving was really nice. As a driver of many years, HGV Driver, ADR trained, I go with both yours and the students interpretation. And looking at the other comments I think we all feel the same.

Love how the outro shows a car doing the exact manoeuvre in question looks just as sensible from a birds eyw view

We had somethings locally when I was doing my test. Inconsistencies in the "required approach" to some junctions. To get back into the test centre for example there is a right turn at lights with no filter. First a student was failed for moving out on the green light, but not getting across until it went red due to conflicting traffic. Failed for moving on the red.. So the instructors rebriefed students. Then they failed a test because the driver sat in the middle of the junction when the light turned red. More students then got failed for not advancing on the green into the position in the first place. Then more students failed for moving into position. Eventually after an open meeting of instructors and examiners they finally agreed that if the student is the first car it can proceed into the junction. Not if it's second. Then if traffic does not permit the crossing on the green, as long as the student move across quickly without conflict it's fine. My own instructors "Fail that shouldn't have been" was a student who correctly entered a yellow box when his exit was clear, but a taxi barged in, cutting him up, causing the instructor to reach and sound the horn. However he still failed the student for ending up sat in the yellow box. My instructor was raging.

Three times I've watched the incident and can't see anything wrong. Would assume I'd fail myself. Looking forward to the explanation!

This wouldn’t be the first time, nor the last, where the DVSA are causing problems and confusion and it sounds like someone needs to take a visit to the Norris Green test routes to understand what they are asking is both inconsistent and also potentially unsafe if they are also expecting a student to change lanes around a roundabout where it isn’t expected from others. The only counter argument I would have is the recent video where your instructor was stranded in lane 1 due to traffic and had a collision with someone else coming round. Without knowing the area, is traffic a potential issue as to why examiners want that route to be done from the right lane? But even with that counter argument, everyone expects consistency from other drivers on the road and what the examiners are asking for generates inconsistency on those two roundabouts

Hi Ashley - I have been driving for 55 years and I always use the left lane in this situation. The main reason is it that elimates the danger of being in the right hand lane and a driver in the left lane continuing past the second exit. Your pupil was spot on with their decision. Great content.

Just sent this to a pupil , although it's a shame your pupil failed , it's a great lesson to share.

I totally agree with you Ashley! Even calling it a minor fault is a massive stretch. The lanes are clearly highlighted to allow you to use both lanes for the second exit, and your student drove exactly as they should've, safely and practically, and followed lanes to the exit correctly. I wish them the very best in their next test! I really think DVSA need to be somewhat flexible with their approach for some parts of the examination, because their methods can sometimes be too firm which can conflict with practical and safe driving.

I failed my 1st class C test because... I was driving down a narrow street, parked cars both sides and only room for a single vehicle between - no problems, patience and good planning needed and I did it "perfectly" (examiners words) As I'm going along, a neon green BMW M3 pulled straight out of a blind side road (including a "stop" sign) without looking. I did a "great reactions, perfect emergency stop" (again examiners words words), missed him by a few inches... Very sorry, I have to fail you. As there is NO Emergency Stop in a hgv test... Harsh braking, Serious fault, fail... ... 4 days later I got the same examiner (passed this time). But as we pulled out the test centre, I said, "Don't worry, I won't do any harsh braking this time. I'll be following your advice, even if it means flattening that green BMW" .... probably not the wisest thing to say on a test, but I thought it was funny and I passed this time.

Over 20 years ago, my candidate took the 3rd exit from the left lane on a large roundabout just before he returned to the test centre. The exit was clearly a right turn, unlike the example here. He passed the test. I asked the examiner about this. The examiner replied that there was no conflict with other traffic.

Always have my head on a swivel at those roundabouts, been cut off plenty times by left turners from the right lane cutting across

I 100% agreed. In fact the highway code says that if you are going straight on (which you are technically, at this roundabout), to use the left lane unless road marking show otherwise.

Agree with you Ashley 100%. I sometimes teach my students to drive in a certain way on tests only because I know what the examiners require on this or that particular junction or roundabout even though a different way would be still safe. This should not be the case. There should be straight and clear rules to follow and not the examiners discretion.

In my motorcycle test 4 months ago I was told a set of directions to take on 2 occasions. I went the wrong way both times. But I did everything safely so no issues. Passed no problem.

When I was taught to drive, a long time ago, I was taught for exit 1, left lane, for exit 2, left lane, for exit 3 or more right (middle, etc) lane and move over when near exit. Unless road markings say otherwise.

I was failed for "hesitation" or some crap, was 4 times on the same street for driving too slow between parked cars. Was on a street full of kids coming out of school with cars parked both sides of the road.

From my teaching days, back when we had horse & carts, I always taught that the driver should always follow the left most lane that safely permits their desired route. Furthermore, straight ahead at a roundabout is determined by the traffic information board, with straight ahead generally* being any position between 10 & 2.

I’ve been driving som 40yrs, and a road user for 54 (excluding pedestrian). I agree, no issues with your, & your pupil’s approach & execution. In a car I would do exactly the same. In an artic (with a low enough trailer) I’d be straddling the lanes (Dominating the Road) to prevent anyone trying to encroach on space needed to make the turns without mounting kerbs. (Folks, please note, when a big vehicle is in 2 lanes, they likely need some of both, don’t try to squeeze past, it could end badly, and remember, the big vehicle driver’s car isn’t damaged.) I whole heartedly agree, Ashley

I feel it's very fence sitting saying you won't contest it, this video actually helps your student contest it though and explains very well. Personally, if there's no markings it's down to reading the road. If theres 2 lanes on, 2 lanes off and no markings it's either lane and if there's a turn you need to make straight after the junction, you should choose the lane before the junction to prevent having to cut across last second. If I was the student I'd be onto the council /highways agency for a statement of how the lanes work to see if it goes against the vosa guidelines.

I'd have done what your pupil did, bearing in mind that if there are two lanes going to the same place, the Highway Code recommends being in the left lane unless you're overtaking.

I hope you wont be struck off! Thank you for your videos they have taught me a lot.

Been through them roundabouts hundreds of times exactly the same way as the pupil ,no problem perfectly fine. Examiner was having a bad day.

I passed my test in 2009 - still a long time ago but not as long as some - I took it in Stoke and there are a few double roundabouts there and I was taught as you explained; if you want to be turning left on 2nd one then you should be in left lane on the first one.

i agree with you. even though the second straight ahead is after the 12 oclock position and the examiner wanted the right lane for that....the road sign shows the exit as straight ahead....which should be fine from the left lane. anyone new to the r.a.b. can only go by road signs and road markings. but.........always important to follow the examiners directions to aviod these situations.

That was really interesting and thought provoking Ash. I also found you mentioning various key factors just as I was thinking the exact same thoughts and nodding in agreement. One key thing with all this. Now that this issue is known for this particular double roundabout, it would be a good idea for all local driving instructors to brief their students on this as part of their test preperation and to practice in the way expected by the examiner. Problem solved! At least for the purpose of passing the test. I'd like to comment further on this very interesting clip but the Canadian border is calling...from all lanes! Was very nice to hear a Brirish accent and expressions. Seems like it's been ages since last hearing one! Again, apologies for my relative absence in the comments but as you know, been very busy in North America. Hope all is well in the Uk.

Agree with you there, particularly considering doing the same thing from the opposite direction is deemed to be fine. The problem with these roundabouts is the lack of lane markings on it (not helped by a rutted surface!), and no direction arrows in the lanes approaching the roundabout. Having those arrows would clear up any doubt about which lanes should be used. One thing I might have picked up on as an examiner was the student being a bit slow and hesitant on the roundabouts. I would have liked to have seen a more committed approach on the first roundabout, which would have given them more time to get through the second roundabout well before the other car coming around it. But nothing worth failing on though, as a student will be nervous making them more hesitant.

I agree with you 100% Ashley, should be a pass not a fail. Also there are no road markings no signs stating you can’t do that. Both going straight/right both lanes. There should be signs and road markings stating that you can’t use the left lane to go straight/right. There’s lots and lots of roundabouts that are slightly off to the right. Lots. And in vest vest roundabouts you can use both, both lanes. (Unless it states otherwise)

Well if I was your student Ashley and you taught me to do it like this and the examinator said to do it like this, I'd be mighty jarred off. After all, this is why pupils have driving lessons. To learn the correct way to drive. I'd bluntly say, but my driving instructor taught me like this.

This reminds me of a similar case involving a Portsmouth driving instructor who disagreed with the examiner's interpretation of which lane to approach the roundabout in, eventually leading to him being struck-off. In this case, the candidate was told to take the second exit (shown in the 9 o'clock position on the approach sign but in reality was past the twelve o'clock position). They took the RH lane. Being familiar with the area isn't always an advantage as habitual driving (ie: copying what other drivers are doing) can sometimes lead to violations of the highway code. My local area has a wide roundabout entry with hatching on the left hand side to ensure that only a single line of traffic enters the roundabout. It only takes one driver to ignore it during the busy period and like sheep, everyone follows.

Agreed your student did it safely.

It’s a funny set up! Thank you. I drive along it fairly regularly.

This is a super informative video, nice one 👍🏻👏🏻

You are absolutely correct Ashley. Whilst its understandable from the examiners POV. I have driven through this double roundabout at least 150+ times and I have used either the left or right lane heading into the 1st roundabout to take the 2nd Exit on the 2nd Roundabout. Never had a single complaint or collision in the times I've been using it. In fact I'm sure many drivers who use this DR daily would agree with you. Maybe the DVSA need to look a bit deeper into this one and focus more on being aware of your surroundings as well as following instructions. Excellent video Ashley.

I was failed on my first test for not overtaking a car around blind bend, the reasoning was "not keeping up with traffic".... Bare in mind the car in front was behind a horse, even if it wasnt blind, overtaking would be dangerous for all parties. Examiner refused to elaborate and just walked off, later find out after the test he was notorious for failing people by local instructors who saw me there. Wish I took note of his name, done the test in Southampton

Fellow ADI here. I’m absolutely appalled that this is why your pupil failed! The DVSA should not want a pupil to to a certain junction a certain way at any time! If there is more than one way to approach and complete that junction then if the pupil takes the ‘alternative’ way and keep themselves and others safe then it shouldn’t even be marked down as a minor fault! Remember you can go the wrong way as long as they do it correctly! So why the hell can you not take an alternative route around a junction providing you stay safe! The DVSA want drivers to drive like robots! It’s a pathetic and unfair result! If I was pupil I would be contesting and getting my fee back! Fuming!

Great video, and explanation.. I think as an 'experienced driver' (but one who still tries to approach things from a every day is a school day point of view), I'd say perfectly safe to approach the first roundabout from either lane. I also back the comments regarding teaching (and therefore testing) drivers how to drive, not how to pass a test. After all the newly qualified driver needs to be able to think for themselves, assess the situation that they finds themselves in without someone sitting along side them.

I failed my first test for this exact same thing and when I explained it to my driving instructor afterwards he said that some of the examiners are just determined to fail younger drivers for the most insignificant reason and are often encouraged to do so. Luckily I passed second time and the examiner assumed it must have been my first test because it went so smoothly. I was relieved because the pass rate for that test centre and many others in the UK is currently around 30%, the national average is getting worse every year and is apparently now 48%. This got me thinking about why UK drivers are less likely to pass their test than their parents were and also have a noticeably lower pass rate when compared to the USA which is over 60%. I fear that we have created a system for learner drivers in this country that is far too expensive and considerably less accessible for young people. The government will say that it is good for the environment and road safety having less young people driving but have they really thought about the long term consequences of many young working class people not being able to drive? It will make them less independent, less employable and ultimately a lot more miserable and reliable on their parents.

Great job Ray, I did mine last year and it's a pig of a job. I never did work out what it changed when I got the sensor swapped - the code cleared, but I didn't notice any other change in the car.

I did too. I refused to overtake a cyclist on a blind bend and got done for "undue hesitancy".

At 2:19 Ashley's pupil is positioned as if he is going to take the left lane but instead is going to continue round. The exit he took was past 12 o'clock so he would have been better to be in the right hand lane for both roundabouts which is what the examiner said to do but the pupil didnt.

I was taught at a roundabout if the exit is past the 12 oclock position use the right lane. Mind you that was HGV training but I used that rule for driving a car as well.

Always like watching your videos, despite having passed as refreshers. The career I work in requires CPD and I think driving would be much safer with drivers watching videos like yours!

In my 55th year of driving and totally agree with you.

Lorry driver here. I'd have given myself a minor fault in a hgv for coming off the 2nd r-bout a little to quick/ aggressive. For a car - no faults seen... BUT.. As my old instructor said to me once, "it takes 1 minute to say You Failed. It takes 15 minutes to fill out the You Passed paperwork"

This was brought up when they had a group of examiner going around all test Centres and checking. The consensus was you can enter and exit from any lane as long as it’s done safely. So this must have been changed. As an ex examiner who has worked Norris green DTC I agree with you. The direction your pupil should have been given is “we are coming to two roundabouts close together, turn right at the first go under the bridge and ahead at the second roundabout.” They where the directions I was told to give when heading back to the DTC from that direction.

Clean and steady progress with a constant acknowledgement of traffic flow and with no indecisive or hesitant actions. I would hope I navigated the double roundabout as good as that👍🏼 As for the DVSA, I agree the Double roundabout offers the same process in either direction🤷🏻‍♂️

Hi Ashley, I am studying to become an ADI at the moment and watching your vids I am a bit worried about my stage 2 test, it seems the hierarchy of road users seems to be a bit vague with regard to giving way to pedestrians , I have subscribed to your channel now so I will keep watching

This is actually very simple to explain. The examiner said to take it in the right hand lane. For example as far as I'm aware they do not normally tell you what lane to be in as that defeats the purpose, where as here they specifically said what lane to be in meaning they are well aware of this and they are trying to give the student a heads up. I'd have to check with my step dad who has actually been an examiner for over 20 years

This now makes sense when I see the odd comment on videos regarding roundabouts when people say the exit was past 12o'clock when cutting people up on an exit from the right lane, when in reality we'd almost certainly be in the left lane for he 1st and 2nd exit.

Many years ago I was failed for driving with too much care. I drove past parked cars, with a gap more than a door width and where visibility of emerging pedestrians was limited, at too slow a speed (bicycle pace) even though it didn't affect any other road user because nobody was behind me, thinking I would get bonus points from examiner. I had a much greater chance of stopping in time and I had reduced risk even more than an above-average safe driver. I then passed, driving at a "normal" speed at a different test centre. Interestingly government lately seems to be lowering speed limits on roads with potential danger to pedestrians which applies even in stretches where clearly no pedestrians visible or possible for them to emerge suddenly

Last time we spoke, I told you “if you’re taking the first exit on the second roundabout keep in the left lane. If you’re taking the second exit on the second roundabout keep in the right lane”, but that’s only to keep the examiners happy, but I agree with you that you should be fine to use both.

I was taught that the lane that counts as "straight ahead" is the thicker exit on the road sign. So regardless of where it is on the clock face (except rare circumstances) it counts as straight on, which is 9/10 times preferred left (or middle on 3 Lane) on approach.

As an instructor in Liverpool I have had 3 pupils fail for this and I could not explain to my pupils why it was unsafe as I felt they were safe. Great video I just sent to one who failed on this she has since passed to show her we was right.

9:53 I was waiting for the cars behind to beep you for being a courteous driver lol

I think that you are absolutely correct.

I was taught to go by the sign on the approach, at 5:10 it clearly shows this route is straight ahead i.e. 12-o'clock from the second roundabout, and the fact the sign depicts that means that's what the roundabout designers intended.

I failed my first test for driving too carefully. It meant that when I did pass I was much less careful, if anything borderline reckless sometimes - and it took me a while to grow out of my "up yours driving examiner" 17 year old boy attitude. (This was 23 years ago before anyone lectures me!)

Very interesting video ash. When the clip was first shown I was trying to find the problem and I just couldn’t. Very Harsh reason to fail someone though. If you don’t mind me asking I imagine this isn’t the first of your students that has took this test root and has any other students ever been failed for a reason like this before as you’ve taught loads of people and for me this isn’t a glaringly obvious situation so I would have expected a situation like this to occur quite often. In which case even though it’s not the examiners fault have other examiners been in the same situation but not even picked it up resulting in the student to pass. Also going Forwards will you teach all your students to take this right hand lane when going right even though you don’t necessarily agree with the decision. Don’t mind me just being nosy as I found this video quite interesting. Great video as always and keep up the good work 👍

It seems to me that a conversation with the person who originally set the DVSA rule for these roundabouts would be helpful in understanding how they arrived at this 'rule'. And probably useful if the SE Test Centre Manager gave feedback to whoever set this rule "from time to time, we seem to be having candidates (admittedly) driving safely, but scoring a Serious Fault nonetheless." A few years ago, I asked for clarification about a particular roundabout with my local Test Centre Manager who was really helpful, but unmoved. As a consequence, I now teach learners approaching this roundabout "we'll do it the DVSA way, but after your Driving Test..."

I don't always agree with your analysis but on this particular scenario I do.

I took my driving test in the area 30 years ago (first time pass - but I was lucky). I'm pretty sure it was Norris Green, as I recognise the area, but it's 20-odd years since I lived in Liverpool and can't sure, as I wasn't a local. The examiner was very nice. Can't remember his name, but I do remember that when all the examiners filed in to the waiting room with their clipboards, my instructor (a proper Scouser) turned to me and said in a stage whisper that could probably be heard, 'Oh no, you've got No Pass Jones'. In fact, 'No Pass Jones' took the pupil sat next to me. I think I was lucky because I messed up the gears a few times. I recall clearly a few of the roads were busy dual carriageways and it seemed almost like the examiner wanted to fail you. However, I don't remember the roundabouts. I was very relieved to pass!

I think this roundabout is a bit of local knowledge with that roundabout too. I remember driving home from Uni towards Showcase on that roundabout from the direction you took, it was always easier to be in the left lane (as well wanting to go left after that first roundabout)

When I learnt to drive I was told that unless marked otherwise always use the left hand lane even if turning right, if there was two lanes on the roundabout and you were turning right and there was traffic in the left lane then you use the right lane. This was back in the mid 1970's. These days I tend to go by the road markings, but there is one roundabout where there is multiple lanes that then merge into two lanes and the right lane is marked for left turns as well, unsurprisingly there is a fair few collisions on this one.

First off, I agree the approach you demonstrate to navigating that double roundabout is safe and reasonable. I also agree it's a better route to take the left lane rather than the right one. For all the reasons you explained so clearly in the video. However, the key to your pupil failing is at 3:00. They failed to follow the Examiner's instruction to treat this as a right turn. Technically, the exit is after 12 o'clock in roundabout parlance, so it's not unreasonable to treat it as a right turn. The minute a pupil hears "right turn" that means take the right hand lane in the roundabout from approach and signal right. I am also 100% sure that, using your usual pragmatic approach, you will be instructing pupils from now on to watch for this issue at this double roundabout and ensure they listen carefully to the Examiner's instructions! As for the pupil who (frustratingly) failed: it will make them a better driver. I failed my first test (and rightfully so) but it made me determined to do better. After passing on the second test (miraculously: I had an argument with the Examiner about his directions, so much so he got me to pull over and gave me a 5 minute lecture! He still passed me but he thought about it...!) I subsequently went on to do an Advanced Test. Your pupil will be grand and will pass with flying colours at the next attempt.

This feels like an instructor's lesson to learn. When i was learning, my instructor told me close to test time, the wording of things is everything. An example he gave me was at mini roundabouts that have 2 exits, one right hand exit, one straight on, during the test the examiner will sometimes say 'straight ahead' at these, but also they sometimes say 'turn left'. Well a left turn being obviously impossible, it was just examiner code for 'straight ahead'... There were many wording tricks like these, students need to be so sharp on that. Maybe teach students this is a common practice that can lead to failure in future? My examiner tried these wording tricks on my test several time's 10+ years ago, glad my instructor taught me this happens.

Totally agree, these are some of the frustrations I have taking my pupils to other test centres we are not familiar with and this shouldn’t be so. It reminds me of a similar roundabout in Sheffield Middlewood route at Asda where you can safely take a 3rd exit all the way round in the left lane and no problem where in your pupil’s case it’s a fail 😳😤. It could have been fair if there was floor markings which the learner had gone against…

I was taught that on the diagram approaching a roundabout, the broadest arrow(s) indicate exits reachable from the left lane. Sometimes that means you can take an exit at 3 o'clock from the approach from the left lane, although when doing so i always signal right to be clear I'm not taking the first exit. In this case, the broad arrow indicated the path taken, so no reason it shouldn't been done from the left lane all the way, assuming correct signalling where appropriate, and all the usual observations and giving way

My understanding is the sign at 1:44 (and again at 9:13) shows the layout of the junction. "straight ahead" at the second roundabout is the first exit, as it's marked more distinctly on the sign. Therefore, the left lane is not intended to continue around the rest of the roundabout. I can understand local knowledge plays a part in this, and most locals may not follow it in that way, so driving in a safe manner should trump everything. The instructions you state were given at 2:56, "at the first roundabout, we're going to be turning right it's the second exit" is already wong according to the sign. The follow up "At the second roundabout we're going ahead, that's the second exit" is again wrong according to the sign. These two should be flipped. Straight ahead at the first, right at the second. Therefore, if your statement of the instructions is accurate, then the examiner gave the wrong instructions for the junction. And depending on where the instructions were given, the pupil may have had the chance to see the signs and question them, but that feels wrong to be given the wrong instruction and expected to fix it with zero knowledge of the area. Therefore, so long as the pupil navigated the junction safely, it should have been acceptable. If it had been unsafe to follow the examiner's instruction, then taking a different turning and returning to the junction safely should also have been acceptable.

I agree with you and it's clear to me that some white arrow lane road markings need to be put down on the approaches to these roundabouts in order to remove any doubts. However, how many drivers pay attention to road markings!!

possibly another option to change things would be to get the council to put road markings down that say where the entrance lane should then exit too. my motorbike instructor back in 2005 was always complaining to Stirling council for their bad road markings and signs, some roundabouts were a turn right but it was an arrow to go straight on for some normal examples, the most difficult situation i found as a learner was an oval roundabout that has 2 lanes on it half way round, even though i was told to take the 3rd exit the lane begins at the 1st exit, so their is risk of vehicles joining and thinking you are taking the 2nd exit as you go all the way round for the 3rd exit. a simple change to the road markings would allow for this. from what i know, if a lane is not marked with information to say it must take a certain exit, like in the video and your demonstration, it is safe and correct to take the second exit.

Where it is tricky is had I not known the roundabout, the examiner's instructions would have me choose the right hand lane on approach. Not least as he said do it this way. Once I knew the left hand approach was substantially safer in reality, I'd not approach in the right hand lane. I get the feeling the fail is for not following the instructions and deciding the left lane is fine, maybe down to local knowledge.

It's for this reason that I keep the "before 6 O-clock and after 6 O-clock" rule in my head. If I don't know the area, I ask the instructor if the exit is more than, less than, or equal to 6 O-clock and that informs my lane choice. I still agree 100% with what you said, this is just the rule I use to hopefully avoid failing my test

There is a mini-roundabout near where I grew up, where it's considered "local knowledge" that from a certain direction you go straight ahead in the right hand of two lanes. Everyone does it. I'm in my mid-30s and don't remember any different, and crucially also don't ever remember the road being marked.

Being from Milton Keynes I wish I could say that there is consistency with roundabout layout. I think you are right and it feels awkward when you drive it in the right hand lane. There are a number of situations in mk where the road bears to the right and the lanes follow through.

I was taught that when there's two lanes to and from the roundabouts, unless marked otherwise - and also treating any doubles as just two singles with a remarkably short length of road between (this doesn't count as it doesn't do O-O on the signs, but overlap, so I am not even sure how that deals with 'lanes aren't marked for which goes where in relation to the second'...) on a roundabout with 3 exits, and the approach has two lanes, the left lane is left and the right lane is right. as this has the assumption of ONE lane in each exit. This interacts with the norris green double like this: Roundabout 1: Approach from Utting Ave (W) - Left Lane provides for BOTH lanes to the second Roundabout, Right Lane provides for traffic going around to Townsend Ave (S). Approach from Townsend Ave (S) - Left Lane provides for traffic going left onto Utting Ave (W), Right Lane provides for traffic going to the second roundabout. Approach from Second Roundabout - Left Lane provides for traffic going left onto Townsend Ave (S), Right Lane provides for traffic going right onto Utting Ave (W). Roundabout 2: Approach from Utting Ave (E) - Left Lane provides for BOTH lanes to the first roundabout, Right Lane provides for traffic going around to Townsend Ave (N). Approach from Townsend Ave (N) - Left Lane provides for traffic going left onto Utting Ave (E), Right Lane provides for traffic going to the first roundabout. Approach from First Roundabout - Left Lane provides for traffic going left onto Townsend Ave (N), Right Lane provides for traffic going right onto Utting Ave (E). This seems to be at first what you're talking about, except, what I was taught also: on a roundabout with four or more exits, and the approach has two lanes, the left lane is for the first and second exit, and the right lane is for the third-on. Here, you're saying; The Left Lane is for both the first and second exit, regardless that - when excluding the exit for a U-Turn, the roundabout only even HAS two exits for you, not three/more. Therefore the Right Lane is for the SECOND exit, but this means there MUST be a second lane on the second exit... (which all exits on the double set appear to have)... Townsend on one roundabout to utting ave on the other is two sets of second exit, so by the examiners direction, it already sounds like a 'right lane for second exit, since its two lots of three-exit roundabouts'

Hey ashley, like always you have one of the most iconic intro songs ever xD

I agree with you. I'm not the best at roundabouts but this one seems pretty intuitive. Utting Av -> Utting Av works in either lane, so when you're under the bridge either lane can go ahead to Utting Av. Also, A580 -> A580 you'd want to stay in the left lane all the way through, so it's fine to use the left lane to turn right at the first roundabout and land in the left lane under the bridge. Combining both of these, it has to be ok to use the left lane to go from A580 to Utting Av. The only reason why that might be less optimal is that you might have to deal with parked cars or buses in the left lane after the exit, but the student saw that coming a mile away and held back to move over to the right lane. I thought they did really well.

In rural areas, you often find drivers taking right turns off the left lane and it does take quite a bit of getting used to!

I did my classes and test here. Every single time I went through safely yet was told not this n not that. Feedback taken yet I realized people contradict themselves at this Broadway roundabouts just because it's been made a huge deal about it. After I passed my test when I drive around it, it's pretty simple. If u r choosing to go right on 2nd roundabout go from right lane if not just use left lane all along. Most imp is choosing the exiting lane from right side as there is a bus stop for icing on the cake. Drive safe.

Good analysis Neal, and in 40+ yrs of driving, and riding motorcycles, roundabouts are where I am aware of everything as far as lane positioning goes. Some major roundabouts at motorway junctions require more than one lane change as you proceed to your exit and if an examiner used it as part of the test I'm sure they would have many failures. I've seen the difference in various parts of the country in the lane markings and light controlled or not. Even though I am mainly in a van with no direct rear vision its mirrors, indicators, mirrors while looking to the front as well. Who said blokes can't multitask?

Totally agree Ashley the lane discipline your pupil applied in my opinion of 55 years of driving was correct.

When first seeing the clip before you explained I couldn't figure out what your pupil did wrong as it looked fully safe to me. Agree with you 100% about his.

The road ahead isn't always at 12 o'clock. I always go by the sign or the road markings. I'm not sure what the signage shows there, but the point is that the road ahead isn't always directly ahead. Anyway, it seems a bit of a pedantic decision I agree with that, as long as it's safe and a reasonable interpretation of the road and signage.

Having looked at the video carefully I agree with you. Going past a turn as you described is asking for right lane exiting to hit you. As far as I’m concerned 2 lanes on and off means you can use ether lane as long as you as you exit in same lane.

My nan lived just around the corner from these roundabouts and I can understand what you mean, local knowledge and experience of how traffic flows is an important part of safe driving.

I know of a few roundabouts round my way where there are two exits (apart from going back the way you came), one roughly 90 degrees left and the other (which is continuing along the main road you are approaching on) roughly 90 degrees right. Two lane approach, and on the main road two lane exit. Everybody local knows it’s left lane to turn left and both lanes to turn right (i.e. go straight ahead) - and that is what the local driving schools teach.

I agree with every word you say, Ashley.

Here in NZ, most of the time in a two lane roundabout, the left lane is for the first two exits, and the right lane is for the second exit and any exits thereafter

I was failed for driving a notoriously dangerous and twist road in the thunderous rain, at 52mph when the speed limit was 60. The guy failed me on 4 different attempts. When I sat my test in a different area, I passed first time!

I noticed two things - he slowed down next to the second roundabout even though his lane was empty. He changed lanes in a crossing area.