I played the game for about 30-40 hours and although I absolutely loved it, I'll be giving it a break, at least for a few months. I want to be surprised when I comeback, as the game feels very underdeveloped (I know very well it was warned by the dev, I don't regret my purchase a bit). I think you and other active members of this community will really help the guy steer the development in the right direction.

Sawpits [amongst other things] could benefit from having production caps in addition to minimum input surplus limits. I.E. run the sawmill if: Logs > X and Planks < Y

It seems the game uses a very simplified queuing mechanism where the game does things in the exact order the player does things. Even if you prioritize the construction of a certain building, the ox will still drag the logs to the buildings in the order you place them. And it seems to be the same with farms, they work the fields in the order you place them regardless of their proximity to a farmhouse, and again depending on the order you place the farm houses.

Ah yes...the main reason Longbowman had 1000's of hours of training: in order to shoot at people with their backs turned, 15 yards away

I think if it could be implemented that with each farmhouse you nominate a number of fields they work on, and you select them before each Spring. That would stop them moving around town looking for work.

"Overly high ale consumption" Damn can he patch my life?

Game is already great fun for being in early access... That being said, it's kinda mindboggling that farming works so "weird" - you have game inspired by medieval society based around wheat agriculture, but the game basically forces you to have town surviving on apples and berries. Really hope that in future the farming will be much better working and relevant (maybe by adding decay mechanism to apples, berries and vegetable). Also the trade... most of my artisans do nothing most of the time, because apparently one craftsmen is more than enough to oversaturate whole market within few months. Not to mention that there's basically no significant financial difference in importing raw materials and final products. Given the amount of your people needed to turn materials into final product, it basically makes no sense not to import final product - there's no interesting profit in selling the final product, and if you need it for your people (like armor and stuff) you can just buy the finished thing and send your workers to do something different. The only exception is that you can choose which one to buy when the market is undersupplied (helmet are scarce, you start buying ingots... ingots are scarce, you start buying iron ore etc.), which is kinda tedious to be honest.

I really hope that the dev hires some people to help specially with optimization so that he can also focus on adding more contents. As of now once you reach around 400+ pops the game becomes more bothersome rather than enjoyable, you're just using most of your time optimizing manually on what should be fine if you automated if you plan your village/town properly. Also trading can be annoying with the current iteration as you constantly need to switch between items once their exported value drastically decrease, and its the only way you can earn gold which is also the only way to really expand and optimize your village and territories.

I think it would be a huge improvement if you were able to determine who is allowed to open market stalls and which type. I would like nearby artisans to handle what my granary and storehouse workers can’t, instead of the woodcutter whose camp is on the other side of the village.

For farming we should be able to select individual farms instead of the circle working area

I respect the work that you do for the community strat! very informative.

Great info, thanks. I'm on the new patch. Been trying to test markets and farms. ** still no idea on markets. Tried 3 stall market, doesn't hold-up. if I add individual single stall markets, things still go poorly. My thought being tier 3 plot requirement: 1 fuel stall, 2 clothing stall, 4 food. So, only need 7 stalls. That didn't work either. (I'm only talking about small towns. (150-200 people)) *** 12 stall market seemed to work (250 and growing) **** farms... i don't know. One game, my 1 morgan field yield 60-80; next game I increased to 2 morgan and it only yielded 70-90. Side test fields were also all over the place 80-300 yields. (all fields are +++ green)

Shame about archers, would really love them to be viable - but I agree, I'd rather have another melee unit to flank. Another note for taxes which as probably been pointed out, once you build two level-2 burgage plots and become a medium village then the tax starts. This means you can create smaller villages in other regions which generate wealth, and as long as you stick to a single level-2 burgage plot (tailor, blacksmith etc. depending on your export of choice) then those villages do not contribute to your overall royal tax rate. Thanks for all the ML content!

Thanks for the update on the update, I appreciate your work man

Pack stations work differently. One station with two mules is enough: one mule for sending goods, the other for receiving goods. For some reason, one mule cannot deliver the goods to another village and pick up the goods there at the same time, two trips are needed. One assigned family means two people operate the mules and a third gathers goods for sale. However, you don't need stations in two regions to barter. Also take into account that barter does not mean a 1:1 exchange. For one warbow you can get 2 charcoal, which means even more trips (this is just an example, I am not sure about the exchange ratio in this case). Additionally, some more expensive goods require mules and cannot be transferred manually.

strat in the clutch overanalyzing on our behalf. keep up the good work!

Thank you so much for all your efforts. I am using the patch and was able to limp along with my very first town on peaceful to the point I have another territory now. I was thoroughly confused with the pack stations, thank you for explaining that.

Limited work area for farming has been working exactly as expected for me recently. In my own testing the separate farmhouses never went near each other's farms at any stage, even when a field finished being harvested. Tested with crop rotation and with manual farming. The only time they went near each other's farmhouses was to steal wheat back and forth when threshing during winter lol Edit: oh and Greg said that the limited work area just has to cover the centre of a field for it to apply, useful to know if you are going for overlapping work areas across multiple fields and farmhouses

I’ve watched you broken trade video, and was going to use it to get last missing mercenaries achievement, yet I couldn’t not install the patch 😂 Thanks to your other videos and what I’ve learned from them, as well as they helped me to get my own insights I finally got it and now sit on my first 100% in ages :) thanks man, you not only teach you somehow managed to make me think on my own😂

As for market inefficiency, I had an even worse problem - at some point, my pops started just not filling clothing stalls. There was demand, there was room, they'd build multiple clothing stalls in the room, and then they'd man the empty stalls without putting anything into them. Made sure the stall workers lived nearby and were posted in adjacent (busy) weaveries and (packed) storehouses (both, because it was every new clothing stall that had this issue after some point, not just one). Huge surplus of all clothing goods, many spare oxen, no amount of employment or location shuffling helpful. Reloading the game didn't help. Haven't tried settling a new region in the same playthrough, to see if it's a local market or game file wide problem, come to think of it, which is worth investigsting I suppose. Anyway, be advised!

you can specify which fields should be worked by which farmhouse crew by using the "limited work area" function, this prevents the migration harvest you're seeing right here by limiting the workers of each farmhouse to a specific set of fields within a given proximity, just like with woodcutters ect.

Thank you for the detailed video!

Great video summarising the changes in the patch. Very helpful, thank you

Cost of opening trade routes in the patch is stupid, even with all trade options on dev tree selected, it’s 600 coins to open plate armour route.

Thanks !!! great video as usual

The only problem with this patch is that the royal tax directly inhibits expansion at the current rate even though it helps avoid big towns. Especially in difficult game modes we’re simply surviving constant attacks is difficult enough.

It takes a lot of fortitude to play these half-finished games. I love how in Bannerlord, for instance, every time I take a break from the game and then come back my saves are outdated and refuse to load. I liked gaming more when companies conducted their own QA testing and didn't rely on the player base to find and experience bugs.

From now on Strat gaming is my go to for patches for Manor Lord

Limited work area for farms resets when you load a save. it says its working but it does not. I had a combo of fields and farms working perfectly with farmhouses working a central area with high priority and low priority periphery - each limited area overlaps central field and their own field group. Loaded my save again and everyone was all over the map working fields they were not supposed to that season.

The tax is on residents which is 3x what it would be if it was family based. I was worried about this but its manageable. Best to put your second bandit haul to Treasury or into RW and then maintain and tax - can't before manor, so back to 2nd bandit haul. It's in the tooltip: it's 1 per resident, per settlement level, small village inclusive and above. In my first year it wasn't listed in upper right, then it was after the first collection.

For sawpit and planks-just forget in every warehouses planks;) And planks may store Only in sawpit-so you can have max 50 planks in sawpit.

Thank you for doing these videos!

Just wanted to add another issue with the Marketplace after it gets struck by lightning & almost every stall burned down. That was bad enough, but then I spotted some sites were not getting used, looked closer & found they held 'rubble', so I removed the rubble and cleared the space but still nobody set up a new stall because where the Marketplace was previously large enough for 24 stalls, after clearing rubble those slots were now gone forever, and the Marketplace tab stated it had no free spaces out of a total of now only 8 available where it was 24 before. I mention this solely because again deleting & remaking the Marketplace not only fixed that issue but also the getting goods efficiently distributed issue fixed too. Phew. Thanks for your ML tips & guides - I am a novice at only 35.4 hours in (and yes, I am running on the test builds - why not, as I know there are going to be a lot of cool things and will get to try them early as well! What's not to like about that - and all I have to do for all this goodness is report any bugs & issues I run across. Fair Enough!

The problem I had with barter stations is there is no cap to set items sent/received too. I usually expand to other regions before building large towns. It's really efficient but has you jumping between towns a lot to micro. My iron town and clay town were supplying spears/rooftiles in a barter and ended up going over way more than I needed, which meant I had to pay for a trade route in my iron town that so get rid of the mass excess of tiles and vice versa in my clay town. Would be good to see a system similar to the trade stations, where you can set desired surplus and then forget about it for a while.

Having the choice who can or cannot make a stall would be a plus imo, yesterday I saw a clay miner setting up a food stall and my right eyebrow literally went so far up it touched my hairline. Also having a supply/demand overview would help massively (see Anno 1800) And and overview to see where all my citizens are at and up to. I really am searching all places to double check and add and take away workforce constantly and ofc forgetting what I did where. So yea, overviews for managing purposes. Anno 1800 is a good example for this. Thanks for the vid and cheers to all. Its a game with lots and great potential. 👍

One of the main highlights I saw in the new patch notes that I was having issues with on the previous patch that you didn't cover here, is that burgage plots with vegetable gardens/orchards will better prioritize getting the stock to market *before* the pantry just fills completely up and you get warned about full pantry. I don't imagine it's perfect to completely avoid having *any* full pantries at the burgage plots, and idk what you may have observed in your testing so far, so I'm curious if it is at least a less frequent issue indeed.

i had the bugged pack station from no regional wealth and traded some items on the trading post to get some regional wealth and then it worked fine for me once i could afford it. the cost sucks though. i really hope the issues with trading between regions is fixed soon because for the most part im really liking the new patch.

I'm gonna wait for a bigger patch. I've been lucky with the original v. didn't have but one crash in like 80hrs game play and just one weird bug with the mules, where they will keep following one guy for ever until I save>exit game >load save

I don't know if the Trade Post is bugged or it just hates me but I always have tons of trouble selling stuff, now even more when I can only setup 2 or 3 routes before going broke. Eventually got outpaced by the King's Tax. Also with no workcamp I feel the start has become super slow. But hey, at least now people eat apples.

I've finally found someone who knows that the horse is bugged ! I couldn't find anything about it and it was driving me crazy x) With the new patch the AI trader is now visiting me 3 times a year like wtf :D you need to buy regions to fix roads for them to speed up a bit, i'm actualy spamming tradepost and deal item 1 by 1 but then the stuff is spreaded between all the tradingpost and the AI merchant buy mostly nothing, still having good time :D cheers

There needs to be a "population tab" or something. I need to see my entire population and where they are posted and which house they are stationed at. I like to have my houses as close to the work station as possible and that would make it better for managing.

Thank you for the video! In my opinion nerfing trading that bad is not ok..also, didn't you notice that the fire wood consumption increased?..I think it's double compared to what it was initially

Hey Strat, your Problem with farming is that you have way too much land for one farmhouse!!! Or in the case of the example you have shown, 2 farmhouses. From my games so far, a full 8 Families farmhouse can deal comfy with around 2 morgan of land - e.g. 2 fields sown and 1 fallow for a total of 3 morgan.

Another nice thing would be "send ox" for lumber and "send worker" for food, supplies etc.

Each farm field has a priority like contructing buildings.set the fields you want to harveat firat to highest then next fields to high...etc etc and they will collect etc in that order until finished.

I’m someone that very much didn’t do particularly efficient market set ups, Ima “function + form” kinda bloke, and the markets felt far better. It actually felt like I could extend the range by simply making a market near the effected area which was nice. Obviously I needed people to work the store houses and granary’s but still

I found that having multiple trade houses and hiring more people did help with my exports. Even though the traders will just go to the closest trade house, they will actually still take the stock from both of them so if you have enough people to collect everything then you will still be able to trade everything. At least that was my experience with the current release Patch. I have not tried the experimental patch yet.

Would be nice if there where a slider for farm to set, plowing, seeding and harvesting starting period.

The new patch is overall helpful. Trade route cost needs some correction. We also need all food options to be viable. It's fun, but I'm going to wait for more updates before investing too much more time in the game. Being stuck unable to build a manor because I can't import stone due to lack of wealth, making only 5-10 wealth a month selling planks that keep building up way faster than they can sell despite having paid for a route, and being unable to afford a 200 wealth route to sell tiles from my big clay deposit even with the perk because i bought a route hoping to sell planks faster than a few per month is not fun. It leaves the player stuck waiting over a year just to afford a manor (essential for paying kings tax and influence to expand) and being unable to expand any burgage plots in the meantime. If regions are supposed to specialize, then they need to be able to afford more routes to import and export goods. You also need the ability to provide enough food off more types. Currently, there's no way to make meat, eggs, or honey viable for a decent sized town.

Would be really cool if you could set houses or families to seasonal tasks and they just switch between them

Excellent update, thank you. 👍 I'm having a lot of fun with this game.

I've found it is worth restricting the work area of each farm and I split them up amongst the fields I have planted with minimal overlap and only one farm with no restrictions on work area.

Another big issue about the farms is that they will immediately start plowing / planting the fields that are completed, even if there are still other fields left to be harvested. So the crops on these fields rot while the work on the others will be unnecessary by October (when the crop rotation kicks). Also the Oxen specifically seem to want to start plowing before they transported everything back. It really just needs a restriction on what tasks may be done while there are still crops to be harvested / transported from the other fields within reach. Definitely going in the right direction here though.

I bought the game when it was first released. However, I haven't played yet because I knew there would be discrepancies from the demo. So I patiently wait for these fixes before I start.

For your farms, try setting up different priorities on the fields.

I like the new trading route costs, cause it should feel like an investment when you open a route. I hope farms are continued to be worked on for the next patch.

Bow makers, spear makers, and shield makers need a way to slow them down or stop them after a while.

Great content! I think though the new helmet’s proportions are off! The only thing i was annoyed with in the new patch

I did upgrade to the new patch, hoping that the market fix would help, but I'm sad to say that my houses still don't get firewood for some reason. I have plenty in stock, but the stalls just remain empty. Maybe it's an efficiency problem on my side, I'll try to delete the market and remake it (a bit smaller I guess) this evening. A bit sad to learn about the trading between region things, I actually did plan my city around the fact that it won't produce everything, but I claimed several regions in order to setup specialized towns. I'll see how I can make this work. About the baron claiming speed, I started playing before this patch and had no issue with it on normal. We ended up claiming I think 4 regions each, and now well... I guess it'll stay that way until I decide to start claiming his. I did try to fight as much camp as I could, and succeed in almost every case (I guess spawning in the centre region helped). Anyway, great patch incoming, I hope there's a bit of a fix on some things (like the market, having to destroy stalls until you get the one you want is a bit tedious for example, but mostly the logistic behind it)

Under the previous version farming was terrible. Crop rotation (mostly) didn't work. The growing cycle was weird.

I would love to see a priority system in trade markets, also i feel like trade perks got nerfed a bit too much :/

Its really interesting to see how americans and europeans style their villages especially the roads. I noticed Americans often build long straight roads just like they are in the US and europeans tend do go for a more "curvy" style.

You have very good attention to details.

Always possible the patch gets more updates before it actually goes live.

It doesn't look from this video as though the Swapot Bugs have been fixed. The main one being that the Construction Reserve Resets every time the game is reloaded,

The pack mule seem clunky but work well, I have made a small 30 villagers village speciallised in hunting in one of my games and send meat to my bigger Town and I had like 2k meat after a while. I could not even consume them all.

I have to ask how you managed to export the ale, I had my traders taking ale from tavern, then the tavern would go to trade post and return the ale back to the tavern...

I think I liked Bahished's way of farming a bit more. You assign people to each field instead of a farmhouse where it's free real estate for the AI. I hope the dev can either fix work area or implement a way to limit what AI does. And if it were me I'd leave the crop picking to the unemployed tbh, bahished did it so well.

Since the patch my folk refuse to harvest their veggie gardens. I'd never had that happen before the patch. I have seen a potential fix, but haven't implemented it to experiment with yet. Essentially you make sure that the families that live in houses with veggie gardens have no jobs or market stalls. This apparently makes them prioritize harvesting their gardens above anything else. That just seems like a total waste of workers to me and I don't see how it's a fix early game when you're juggling the few families you have through different jobs just to survive and you absolutely need those veggies. I'm not sure when harvest season is for the veggie gardens, so let's just say September as an example. As soon as September comes around they should drop whatever they're doing and harvest their gardens. It takes like a day when they actually do bother doing it. Then go back to work. My wheat farm also brought in a grand total of six wheat. Six. What am I supposed to do with six wheat!?

I was profitable with the tax but there was a lot of bugs when it comes to regional trade. I created another region focused on farming and wanted to supply the main region barley, but trader goes from the farm region to main region with horse, gets close to the trade building but doesn't go in and trade, just goes back to its own region... Traders on foot do trade but with horses they don't trade it's bugged

I'm surprised they don't have a system where in which those assigned to the fields, prioritize the fields work firstly, until theres no work left to be done. Then going to a nearby field to help there. There still seems to be some redundant working for AI pathways and logic organizing. But still this is enjoyable to see steady progress being made by the dev and team.

The change about ale is quite good before they consume like they bathing ale.

The saw pit and i seem to be having a very different issue than the masses it seems. I have trouble getting it goin. Even with a good log supply and designated ox i can be waiting on planks for construction. Not a fan of the king's tax so far but the ale change is great ^^. Hmmm. I would prefer to have 6 militia than 5. Can we still have 6 if we select them before building the manor?

i heard they updated farmhouse with 2 ox each ? i havnt play new patch yet

With the fields, youll need more farm houses for more fields you cant just have one farm house for multiple fields or the harvesting will be hard, and you can use priority on the fields aswell, to priotise and finishing each field as you see fit

About your complaint for the harvest. I think its correct for them to drop harvesting and collect what was harvested first because of RAIN. Rain deletes everything on the filed that was not picked and moved to a farm house. I stopped counting how much stuff I've lost just because the moment they start havesting - it starts to rain and it rains all the time. Even if I switch to forced early harvest in August - it imidiatly starts to rain , the moment there are stuff on the ground.... About the pach , some of the stuff are good (like the saw pits, archer , ale,time after death). However I dont like the trading patch and I wont use the patch because of it. I hate been forced to go wide. Currently you can choose , you can play tall ,wide or mixed. I preffer tall. The game should allow you to choose ,not force you. It pisses me off because he is forcing us to go wide when the inter-region trade and pack stations dont work... What is the point? My be the only positive of the trading patch is that you are no longer forced to pick the 2 perks (the one for 25 per trade route and removing the import duty). Those ware pretty much mandatory for every town before -they ware just to good.

Does setting the priority for the fields make any difference for farming?

I don't see any way in Steam to download the patch. When I look at version status it says I am all updated but has May 2 as the most recent update. (??)

You dont need two packing stations. You only need one in the region you want to send from. They also need two mules to be efficient. But if u have two they will send a lot of stuff a year. A single packing station will send up to 500+ a year in my save (current beta patch). It is way cheaper then trading and i send 3500+ goods to my main town a year. no problem.

I've actually seen the market conditions do the opposite of what they should, seemingly at random at this patch. One I was importing went oversupplied and it was like christmas and I was like ??? I wonder if bugged, or if they just change without u s doing things now undoccumented.

The Royal tax calculation, if the setup’s description is true to believe, it 1 gold per person per their individual house level. That means every family of 3 living in T1 house will cost you 3 gold from the treasury annually, 6 for T2, 9 for T3, so on and so forth.

My take on the steep price scaling of the trade routes is to force the player into choosing certain routes but not all.

anyone else having an issue with the trading post at times? in my last game i had 156 helmets and i opened a trade route to export it, but none of it ever got sold. and yes i did have workers working the trade post.

I love to see mounted knights and general horse riders inside But that demands a horse combat realistic mechanism like they did with Bannerlord. Because horses are not fighting like in foot units , they run all the place in battledield with circle move paths and moving around at either 1vs1 , 1vs 4 1vs 2 1vs 3 mounted/in foot enemy well that need a serious work to be if not realistic because neither bannerlord is..well very nice as a view than the rest units that stand on ground.. So ok vote later for horses😂.. But please Vote very soon for Coming at Last more quests like witch hinting , festivals , arena tournaments on visit mode .. Vote for Bringing Stoned Great Walls and Castles Vote for Siege Machines Vote for Iconic medium to Large incredible Medieval Buildings Minuments like Cathedrals or Libraries or Keeps!!! All the Best to the Dev team that I heard has grown up in scale and of course to the Mod Makers that have taken Fire 🔥💪 and the game has not even a month that came out...Incredible and we already see 4k size troops in Battles and marching on the same Global Map to meet the enemy...like It took my mind many years back the Medieval 2 Main Menu theme I feel the same feeling now here on Manor Lords watching thousands march ...Imagine a LOTR mod after with these pictures like...!!!!!

A new patch was released 24h ago, and this guy already played 30h in it and made a guide, - damn he's good

(First of all, english is not my native language : so sorry if I’m not clear) I feel pretty bad with this patch. Trading system became absurd and buggy. I wanted to sell tuiles. But I got the money only 1 Time. Next Tiles disapear from the stock but without taking the money. Impossible to have an economy. Limitation for the hunting does not work for me (since the begining ) I can’t list all the bugs : there are too many. I don’t regret to buy the EA. But I prefer stop the game for now and come back in several months.

Is charcoal worth it ? Calculated in months 1 Woodcutter produce 44 Firewood with 1 fam. 1 Charcoal produce 18 Charcoal out of 9 Firewood with 1 fam so i need 4.88 Charcoals for one woodcutter for only Charcoal, with 4 Charcoal, 1Woodcutter and 1 forester for the long runs, i have 6 familys for 72 Charcoal and 8 Firewood. 80/6 = is 13.333 With only 2 woodcutter and 2 Forester i have 88 production. 88/4 = 22 am i missing something ? Charcoal burns longer for the familys or something ? Please help haha

I think the patched trade route cost is tied to availability of resources, eg a region with rich iron results in much higher cost to start trading anything requiring iron to produce. Two different saves of mine both had big variations. Patch has some useful changes but now there is virtually no point starting any new game without the spawn having rich Iron as once a regular iron deposit is gone you just cannot sell enough goods (with farming still meh) to maintain an income and buying iron ore makes anything other than armour unprofitable even with the reduced import tax upgrade.

Could you explain, or direct me to where you have if you have already, how to "set up trees properly" for infinite wood?

Manual farming will be always better because you can work 9 months on the field and automatic can only 3 months (effectively). As long as plants are allowed to survive winter even when they in advanced levels of growth manual control will be better. But i think that this will change. To be more realistic. They tried to use forced harvest in September for this reason but it was poor fix and we cheese it :D . Winter needs to kill any plant older than 2 months (or reverse the growth to 2 months) for manual to be balanced.

production for large settlements is still being choked hard by the market stall system. I can barely produce any linen because 6/6 of my families on weaver stations are on trading post duty. And my market places already have 7 or so storehouses with families assigned to them surrounding the market place.

My main issue is Food and Market Distribution. They really need to buff farming.

set your fields to high ... not medium ... and they stay more focused ... also as you add extra farm houses limit their range to a portion of the fields ... so they do those ones only ...

cool vid bro

I think Greg must love you and every single one of your uploads. Hop in see what you found, write down, fix.

Are orchards fixed? Do people actually store apples in the granary and place them in marketplaces now ?

Maybe its not on your list to do , but since the game will be patching, will you be updating/making some guides for some of the achievements? Not impossible, but the mercenary captain achievement will be a bit harder now that trading has been balanced and royal tax is a thing. Great video as always thanks for all the work!

I wish it would only double in the same tab, or atleast have the increase be tied to the cost. Getting the 3 wealth cost firewood traderoute costing you thousands later on just feels wong.

I’ll be updating to the new patch once it is ready to be fully released idk want to run into any issues with running a beta patch

I noticed when i used my upgrade points on the trade routes and tax fee that neither one worked so basically just wasted 2 points.