just my personal opinion on this 64 Mercury crash on the Autotopia LA channel
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@cliffyelland20962 жыл бұрын
As a local stock car racer I can tell you that 15 laps, hard on the gas for maybe 5 seconds then firm braking for 2 to 3 seconds will turn new brake fluid brown in a pretty stock 2nd gen Camaro. That's 60 to 90 seconds of NOT hard braking with new fluid, no moisture. We bled the brakes before every race. Also from the stock car world, some tracks insist on mechanical throttle linkages. That may be in conjunction with a toe clip so you can lift the pedal. Saskatoon, at least in the lower classes, allows a cable. Higher classes may require a push/pull twin cable setup. GM switched from a mechanical linkage to a cable in 69 or so. I've had both types of linkage stick, I"ll trust my life to a property set cable any day. Having had throttles stick, the first thing I do is well, I guess brakes, but my hand is killing the ignition. Key switch, military style toggle, whatever shuts that power down. Hopefully after thinking it through in advance a person can follow through without having to build muscle memory from real panic situations. That's my rant, thanks for listening.
@garythegear2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Cliff you make lots of good points and follow many 👍 👌 procedures to keep it all safe and I think we should all have a plan B system burnt into our brain that gets a car stopped in a emergency situation
@jamesfairbairn15882 жыл бұрын
I was hoping you’d give your take on this unfortunate accident. Great video. Thanks again Gary I learned something new today.
@garythegear2 жыл бұрын
Hey that's very cool James thanks, it was very unfortunate and avoidable, Shaun at Autotopia only uploaded this video after much thought and decided it could be used as a learning tool but things got outa hand in a hurry
@Nova.19712 жыл бұрын
Good point on the fluid!!! But they should have just pulled over sooner and addressed the stuck throttle. I have had front brakes fail and used the e-brake to stop, and also had a stuck throttle, both are not fun at all and you have to think very fast...I came out of both fine. Yes there have been lot's of talk abut this and hope everyone that builds their rides has some takeaways ........Thanks for your take Gary......
@garythegear2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input Mike your absolutely right the mechanial issue should have been delt with first and foremost I agree 👍
@mikemoble75 ай бұрын
it is not boiling brake fluid it is the nut behind the wheel
@rusty17723 ай бұрын
Turn off the ignition! For f***'s sake. It ain't a space shuttle. And, when your throttle seems to be troublesome, you pull the hell over. Case closed. No shortage of idiots these days
@roadmasterk60192 жыл бұрын
The throttle hanging up was the only major mistake imo... No brake system is going to hold 1300hp in traffic for long if it wants to idle at 50mph. We can argue about what he should have done when the brakes failed, but ultimately it is a situation that they wouldn't have had to navigate if the throttle issue had been addressed.
@garythegear2 жыл бұрын
My feelings exactly thanks for sharing 👍
@NZMOPAR2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@jochenkraus70162 ай бұрын
They should have stopped the car AT THE LATEST when he said he smells brakes and the other said he's on the brake the whole time. I think sooner or later every brake will fail at some point when treated like that. (Except of brakes that are built to run for a long time like engine brakes and retarders).
@braixeninfection63122 ай бұрын
Makes me think I’d should probably replace the fluid in my truck. As it is about 22 years old now lol. This whole situation was one massive mistake after another. Just stopping would have saved everyone this trouble. The crash is nothing but the drivers fault for failing to address the problems early to prevent the crash.
@albertgaspar627 Жыл бұрын
If the car looked familiar to anyone reading Popular Hot Rodding, it was on page 28 of their August 2007 issue. where the owner/builder said, "thou shall not build a car without sufficient stopping power". Huh. Anyway, if you shut the engine off on a car with a steering column made after 1970, you risk locking the wheel. downshifting will add RPM and torque. Best to go for Neutral and head right for that lawn--take out parked cars rather than occupied ones.
@barrycuda37699 ай бұрын
If he'd turned the ignition off ,and downshifted ,the compression from a v8, especially one of that capacity, would have dramatically slowed it down ,maybe even to a stop. And all those comments from people about how the car should have been updated to newer brakes is annoying ,they were willwoods, newer willwoods aren't going to stop the fluid boiling. And how crazy not having a parking brake , if it was ever parked on a hill ,it would only be the parking pall holding it .
@thatcarguy132 жыл бұрын
Utter stupidity taking a defective car and driving it around,, taking out a liable car.
@garythegear2 жыл бұрын
Ya I have to agree there was a obvious mechanical issue that was ignored, I can tell you Autotopias procedures have changed as a result to keep things safe
@gsabic11 ай бұрын
I had a brake fail in a brand new chevy express, the pedal got disconected at 50m/h, very similar to this crash. 4 second is not enough time to think about what is the best way to stop the vehicle
@garythegear11 ай бұрын
I agree things happen way too fast
@bobjohnson2056 ай бұрын
A lot of people laugh when you tell them you drive a Volvo but one thing Volvo has never gone cheap on is the braking system. My first Volvo was a '74 and it came with power four wheel disc brakes with a dual split triangular braking sysytem (both front brakes connected to one rear brake per line), 4-piston front calipers, 2 piston in the rear, vented front rotors, copper alloy brake lines, proportional braking valve and DOT 4 brake fluid. And that was all standard on a '74! I believe this braking system had been standard for a few years earlier. Needless to say, I have never experienced a brake failure in any of my Volvos in the more then 40 years that I have been driving them.
@garythegear6 ай бұрын
That's an impressive braking system, Volvo were always known for their attention to safety, thanks for sharing 👍
@bobjohnson2056 ай бұрын
@@koma7252 Boy! Someone sure woke-up on the wrong side of the bed! lol
@jamesplotkin467411 ай бұрын
It doesn't matter what kind or expensive brake system this clod had on his car, riding them hard like had been will boil the fluid. And, throwing any automatic into Park at that speed does NOTHING. The pawl will not engage at speed and all it does is skip the detents and makes a clak-clak sound. An "emergency" brake is useless. If you paid attention, the brakes were boiling, so a parking brake would do nothing to help. Not just the fluid, but the pads/linings were flaming hot. I'd bet that the throttle return spring(s) were in the wrong position to pull the liknage shut. Or, there was serious binding in the assembly. Either way, the driver made every mistake he could.
@garythegear11 ай бұрын
Yes lots of bad decisions where made resulting in injuries and serious damage however just to clarify a cable operated e brake system would have slowed the car even if the brakes were hot regardless its a tough lesson for the owner and driver and we all have had much time to review the situation and he had 4 seconds to decide, it was a panic situation and certainly it could have all been avoided
@deezelfairy6 ай бұрын
@@garythegearAgreed its a 4 second panic situation - but unless your the kind of person who knows EXACTLY how to react in that situation you've got no business operating a 1300hp vehicle. This whole scenario is a case of not enough experience coupled with too much money and even more ego. Uncle Tony's Garage summed it best - "A man needs to know his limits" This chump was in well over his head.
@glenfenderman6 ай бұрын
I just thank God that nobody got killed from that accident. I'm no expert, but I just hope that high maintenance brakes and a high maintenance fuel system will be maintained in order that nobody will get killed by that monster!
@csiler57 Жыл бұрын
I like your take the other points are camshaft and torque converter. Large race cams have a high ideal 1600 to 2500rpm a converter if not high enough will and push and will over come the brakes also if he keeps this on the street he needs to put it in neutral before stopping other wise it’s going to overwhelm it as you said nomatter what breaks he has on it .
@garythegear Жыл бұрын
Those are very good points and some folks tend to go big with everything when doing a build except the braking system, this could have also contributed thanks for sharing 👍
@JimschrbrАй бұрын
I thought this was one of the funniest videos that I have seen on KZfaq as of late. The look on the driver's face when he realized that he didn't have any brakes was priceless! The other dude who face planted the dash was pretty funny too. Definitely worth a watch if you haven't seen it yet!!
@freddyfox5002Ай бұрын
How many small animals have you tormented, and killed?
@shanemitchell47711 ай бұрын
I owned a 1986 IROC-Z without rear brakes. In winter you could not stop. This is driver error, you put it in neutral before each stop. Then push on brakes and stop. Then back into 1 and go again. Then again into neutral before you stop, and stop. Been there, done that. It's easily overcome.
@NZMOPAR2 жыл бұрын
I don't think any car shouldn't not of have a E brake on the road .here in NZ it's totally illegal not to have one
@garythegear2 жыл бұрын
It surprised me as well and we have to have them here also thanks for watching 👍
@tc74832 жыл бұрын
Great video Gary. You hit all the points. If somethings not right, stop.
@garythegear2 жыл бұрын
Ya it certainly would have saved a beautiful car and all the injuries thanks for watching 👍
@NZMOPAR2 жыл бұрын
Hi I did a video on this to I didn't talk about the boiling point of the brake fluid but didn't think I needed to really If your riding the brakes as you said they were going to boil no matter what fluid or brakes it had . . Good point though
@garythegear2 жыл бұрын
Thanks I will check out your video thank you for watching this one I appreciate it 👍
@rockymeyers40302 жыл бұрын
He has a shifter meant for drag racing. He couldn't downshift without going into park 1st. A street able shifter and/or killing the engine would have made all the difference
@garythegear2 жыл бұрын
Ya lots of things could have happened differently, I think the next time we see this car it will have alot of safety upgrades and the driver will be better prepared for sure , thanks for the input 👍
@pauldhiman83692 жыл бұрын
Gary👨🏽🔧👍🏽
@houseofsolomon24406 ай бұрын
Savable by killing ignition. Or put into nuetral for that matter ... 5 seconds of reaction time is actually a lot in that scenario. We all know time slows waaaaaaay down ...
@garythegear5 ай бұрын
I honestly don't believe 4 seconds in a panic situation is enough time to react, they had alot of speed approaching the intersection, just remembered hind sight is always 20/20 ignition cut wouldn't slow the vehicle in 4 seconds , there was simply no where to go
@houseofsolomon24405 ай бұрын
@@garythegear cutting ignition 5 seconds before crash would have prevented that last blast of throttle.
@proudcanadian57134 ай бұрын
As everybody and their dog has said, the moment he had a problem with the throttle is when he should have turned it off and stopped the vehicle, even if he had to stop in the middle of the road. Also, like you correctly pointed out, with 1300 HP and constantly riding the brakes it wouldn't have mattered what he had trying to stop the wheels, the braking system would have failed. The ONLY good thing out of all this is that nobody got killed or seriously injured.
@garythegear4 ай бұрын
Your absolutely right could have been much worse, I'm sure the people involved have all learned a valuable lesson
@Hhllbb24764 күн бұрын
Don’t know about that. He was out in another build recently where they hadn’t gotten any harnesses or belts installed yet.
@garythegear4 күн бұрын
Who are you referring to the car owner builder driver or the Autotopia guys
@Hhllbb24764 күн бұрын
@@garythegear Autotopia guy
@Hhllbb24764 күн бұрын
The wet vs dry BP was quite informative. TY
@MarquisDeSang4 ай бұрын
He simply had to deploy the parachute.
@garythegear4 ай бұрын
Hahaha it may have helped a little 😅
@Stevesixty76 ай бұрын
Should have built it with manual transmission for a start, and with a handbrake. Having said that, the major mistakes here were ignoring the problem with the throttle and riding the brakes, anyone with common sense would have pulled over immediately.
@garythegear6 ай бұрын
Ya your right I certainly don't understand why they decided to continue on with an obvious mechanical issue
@Combat5563 ай бұрын
I rented a Hertz GT350H years ago, and street raced it hard. After a lot stop light to stop light racing, drove home and the brakes failed entering my folks driveway. Jammed it in park, hit the emergency brake and ignition off. It stopped before hitting the garage door. Hertz waived the $19 rental charge because of the brake failure.
@garythegear3 ай бұрын
That's an awesome story and quick thinking hahaha 😆
@leam19666 ай бұрын
shifter in that car has reverse lockout you need two hands to release the lockout and move the shifter to reverse .
@Matowix Жыл бұрын
Bet he wishes he turned off the ignition. He panicked. Which I can understand. The 5 seconds would have been much longer
@garythegear Жыл бұрын
Ya it was certainly a crazy situation and couldn't have turned out much worse Than it did , thanks for watching 👍
@nickelliott11742 ай бұрын
It wasn't brake failure. The engine was idling way too high so he rode the brakes.... that's stupidity.
@oneeyegaming_yt11 ай бұрын
guy should not be driving some like that because he doesn't know how to handle it. should have shut the car down as soon as the throttle got stuck but he kept driving so he doesn't need to be driving something like that and no e break that's just asking for trouble
@garythegear11 ай бұрын
Yes unfortunately several bad decisions were made that resulted in some injuries
@chuckschillingvideos2 ай бұрын
This vehicle simply does not belong on public streets. It's not a street car. It's a pretend race car.
@GabrielmtbgoproАй бұрын
Turn the ignition off
@cknorris364410 ай бұрын
I would think a car guy should know that riding the brakes can lead to failure. Like someone else said....the guy had no business behind the wheel of that much power. Luckily he didn't seriously injure anyone else.
@garythegear10 ай бұрын
Ya this was certainly lots of bad decisions that resulted in personal injury and damage, a hard lesson for the owner builder driver of this vehicle
@do5e6 ай бұрын
the passenger had time to slide the harness around his shoulders.. could have saved him a lot of pain. both of them are idiots.
@garythegear6 ай бұрын
I don't know that he could have , I watched the video 20 times and my best guess is they had exactly 4 seconds from the time they realized brakes were gone to impact, there wasn't enough time in a panic situation to do anything, for driver and passenger
@do5e6 ай бұрын
@@garythegear i disagree, first of all who rides in a car with just a lap belt on? and he could have at least slid an arm into the harness.. having just the lap belt on is the most moronic thing i've ever seen.
@garythegear6 ай бұрын
@do5e your right he should have put it on correctly to begin with , I'm saying there wasn't time when they realized brakes were out it was 4 seconds all he could do was brace himself for impact, you gotta watch it several times to see this they didn't have any time to think about it ,hind sight is always 20/20
@garythegear6 ай бұрын
Four point harness doesn't work that way , all straps buckle separately , there's nothing to slid your arm into that will hold you
@do5e6 ай бұрын
@@garythegear oh, if that's the case than nothing he could have done.. but i'm pretty sure i saw picture of the seats and it looked like the two shoulder harness were attached to the seat where he would have been able to slide his arm into it easy. I don't know how they were attached so it's just speculation. all i know is i would not have been having just the lap belt on and if there was any inkling of danger i'd throw the shoulder harness on.. the dude had 4 seconds to put that shoulder harness on, i think he could have done it if he wasn't such a dumbass to begin with.. (he must have been a dumbass to not have it on in the first place)
@robharris96566 ай бұрын
the owner even said his brakes are old tech and he wanted to upgrade them "in the future" Wrong! I agree with all of the other comments. He was wrong driving this car with a stuck 1300 HP motor! Both should have stopped as soon as they smelled brakes. Everything this owner did was wrong. If I was the guy that got hit and would have sued his for everything he has.
@beforeyourimmigrants84712 ай бұрын
Typical Orange County
@fartenfreddy2 жыл бұрын
Long time owner of a 64 Comet here so ya hurt big time for Russ and those involved. My beef is with the sjow host and his totally selfish reasons for showing the vid to start with,, gives the whole hotrod community a black eye. His selfishness could very well come back to haunt all of us.
@garythegear2 жыл бұрын
I sure hope it doesn't hurt us Fred but I also realize that it isn't just hotrodders that watched the video, they actually held on to the video since December of last year and thought it could be used as an educational thing, I felt very bad for the owner as he lost a large investment and insult was added to injury when the whole world slammed him , there was some bad decisions for sure , I just hope he's able to make the repairs and get it back on the road
@fartenfreddy2 жыл бұрын
@@garythegear ya I've communicated with Russ several times before and through this. Man haters gotta hate! Most of us have had a challenge, not as bad as his but the rest of us got to hide it in the garage till it was fixed,,,, not Russ. Blow it up or crash it at a track,, poor boy. Make a bad decision on the street, "wasn't he the worst¥€¢£¢€¥" Leave it.
@luissisneros1443 Жыл бұрын
This is hard to watch not the wreck but the narrator way to many uh uh uh
@garythegear Жыл бұрын
Sorry about that how bout you give it a try , send me a 20 min detailed video and will see how you do !! Ya put the camera in your face and will judge you on your performance trust me when I say I don't care!! Isn't it easier to just click off the video rather than take the time to post stupid comments 🙄