One thing to note: If you buy 1 year of jetbrains software, you get that version forever, so even if you stop paying, you can keep using that year’s release. Sure it won’t get any more updates until you buy another year, but generally things will continue to work

I use PHPstorm for my private development, and will be using it in a job soon too. The cost of an IDE can quickly be offset with the time you will save on not having to lookup function structures. It will automatically debug for you and check consistency in your code. Nowadays two trips to a burger drive-in is almost the same as a the license cost for a year.

I came in to my last Python dev job as a VSCode user while everyone else was using PyCharm. I stuck with Code for a long time because I liked the clean layout, the lightweight structure, and once you memorize bindings it can be hard to change. However, I did eventually switch to PyCharm, and have been paying for a personal license for 3 years on top of using it at work. PyCharm (and my guess/limited experience in other JetBrains IDEs) feels like it just understands the language better than the VSCode extensions. Refactoring, test integration, issue identifying, profiling, coverage etc were all just working out of the box in PyCharm. Not to mention the extras: Smooth git integration, database exploration, remote developing and debugging... Some of these things can be done in Code, yes, but I have found they are not nearly as robust as PyCharm's implementation. Maybe they deserve a second chance? But Fleet I am hesitant about. I have tried it on and off since it was released for testing and felt I was missing features of both VSCode and PyCharm. For example the debug/run configuration I find clunky to set up in Fleet's json file while very simple in PyCharm. I will continue to try Fleet, but right now I don't see myself replacing VSCode for quick file editing nor PyCharm for normal dev work. Maybe if it was included in my PyCharm subscription?

I went the other direction and purchased their "Toolbox" license which gives me every Jetbrains IDE. I use four of them on a regular basis, on the three major OSes which makes it a good value for mer personally.

4:25 I think every programmer should immediately configure his own key bindings in any IDE.

In North America, if you take out a friend for a nice meal, that would cost you $100 on average these days, roughly TWICE the annual cost of a one JB product license, and that's just one meal in one day. But more importantly, economically, would you pay $60 a year for a company (a bunch of developers, like us) to fix and maintain for you a piece of software to make it a pleasant experience to write code that will earn you somewhere between $50K - $200K a year ? The final "its not ethical to pay for corporate software" argument (if it ever qualifies as rational one) doesn't work, because everyone will eventually find themselves spending much more money towards truly unethical companies: Apple, Verizon, Walmart, Amazon, to name a few.

Years ago I tried Atom after watching one of your videos, and have been using it since. I'd love to hear about what led you to eventually use VS Code as your daily driver.

Any insight on Zed? Basic nightmare. Investing on product only to see it's no longer supported.

Question, why do you not use software you have to pay for?

I do all my coding in a Google Doc then save it as a .txt and then to the file type needed to compile

Jetbrains software is worth the cost. Remember when Visual Studio used to cost $1000+ ? Subscription for these tools actually makes sense. Rather than for something like Microsoft Office.

Think I'm going to try this out today. Wonder how well the Windows version connects to WSL2.

I always used git from the command line, because I found the built in solutions clumsy. But in Fleet, git is actually good and easy to use. And it's there on a tab next to the project structure. The other features that are visible in it, despite it's not a complete software yet are also good. I will look into switching to it from PhpStorm when it's ready.

Visual Studio Code works great with our team. A free alternative is not attractive, let alone a paid one. The time investment required to learn a new IDE alone is enough to make a switch difficult. It’s crazy they did not match the keyboard shortcuts of code. One more barrier

Here are my 2¢ as a primarily backend dev (Java) with some front end mixed in (react + typescript): I am not at all interested in Fleet and would prefer they focus on improving remote development across each of their IDEs. Their existing offering (Gateway) is plagued by consistency issues (sometimes it just won’t work/launch at all) as well as high latency (on the order of individual key presses taking at least 1s at times). I primarily use IntelliJ as it’s the best for Java development in my mind, but recently my interest in developing remotely has clashed with my preference towards IntelliJ, so I’ve been using VSCode. It’s a subpar experience even with everything configured correctly (which is a non-zero time commitment up front, depending on your environment), and I’m hoping once Gateway is out of beta the tool will be significantly more robust.

Absolutely spot on! Jetbrains cleverly announced Fleet without revealing its pricing so the hype train around VSCode killer went full steam. After the pricing was revealed the paid version is the only usable option and since it is similar to their all product pack offering (even if it's a stripped down version of it) I highly doubt it will cost anywhere near 5$ a month like a tool such as a WebStorm for example.

can someone tell me if you are able to add a background image as the background in Fleet? Similarly to how you would in Android Studio or Intellij? I neeeeeed it. Lol.

I've only been a paid software developer for 40 years, so do not have a lot of experience in this area, but here are my thoughts: I agree that "Free is nice', but I am willing to pay a reasonable fee for "top tier excellent IDEs far superior than anything I've ever used in my career". In my opinion, the $175 per year that I pay for the All Products Pack is reasonable. Assuming that I am spending 1000 hours a year in the IDE, it works out to 17 cents an hour to be using the most helpful tool set out there. I feel I am more productive and comfortable using the top quality stuff ... and it is less than a great bottle of Scotch 😀 My preference would be that my employer\customer provide me with the tools that I prefer to work with. That costs me nothing. The reality is that doesn't happen very often. The alternative is that they allow me to bring the tools I prefer use with me (similar to other 'construction' industries where the employee brings their personal tools to the jobsite and the employer provides the larger, more expensive items). Do not require me to use only what your internal policies are capable of providing. #DEFINE RANT_ON Over the years I've found it interesting that the Accounting Spreadsheets have no problem defining developer burden rates (salary, square footage, vacation, benefits, etc.) that are in triple digits per hour yet balk at providing tool sets (capable hardware and software) that amount to rounding errors on that burden rate. #DEFINE RANT_OFF

Just FYI if you're a student or teacher you can get an educational licence which lets you use all of jet brain's premium stuff for free (as long as you don't use it for anything commercial).

There is no way to check with what IDE something was developed. I don't see why companies can't just hand free licenses to their employees.

Good video. It would be nice to see other screencaps other or demo in the background while you talk

Don't know if Atom is Still out there or gets updated to be precise so I just did the same half a year ago to go to vscode and try to be curious for any telemetry

I know they're paid buy their IDEs are unbelievably incredible. 100% will be using Fleet.

Funny that as programmers WE expect to be paid for our work but we won't pay anyone else. If the software is good - pay for it. Not everything needs to be free esp something as fundamental as our editor.

My peferred payment plan would be Base Space for free but only smart mode from IDEs you have licensed

will you switch to jetbrains products if they become free?

I really hope they will do the same they did with intellij idea. The community version should be open source under apache 2.0.

Fleet is simply a facade, new "look" for their existing products, e.g. internally it uses ReSharper engine for C#

I just start using it and with Python its a lot better then VSCode so far. I mean it prevents messy code a lot better i my opinion, with proper reformat suggestions.

I feel like I have a good relationship with JetBrains, during my studies they offered me all their software for free for years. Then after that they gave me a graduation discount. I was happy to pay them for their work. And I hope they stay good and that we can work together for many years to come.

I pay ~ $57/yr for RubyMine. Worth it for the functionality and range of supported languages (JS, Elixir, JRuby, SCSS, etc), and graphical SQL & Git (merge) support. Would I pay $5/mo? Already close to that. 10? Probably. $50? No.

I use PyCharm daily and I love it. Wouldn't pay for any IDE tho.

Why is paying for a tool like this bad?

The "becoming dependent on" argument is odd.

You seem to nag a lot about paying for software... weird for a software programmer. Do you want to work for free? You don't want to pay for a product that increases your productivity and thus realizes pecuniary gains?

I agree i really dont like monthly costs why help them develop and charge us to sell to others. Its bad enough out there with adobe etc. I really miss you just pay once and own it !

Why do you not like paid editors?

As an industry professional that uses both Java and C# daily, it would be nice to have a single editor instead of using both IntellIj and Rider. My work pays for my software, so if Fleet is included in the all products pack, I'll likely give it a shot.

For the features that Jetbrains delivers on their products, I have 0 objectives in paying money for it. You seem to object out of principal, which is your perspective from what I can tell, I just want to help support a company that delivers exceptional software. I have yet to see another IDE that comes close to Jetbrains. Trying out Fleet, weirdly enough, i am getting PTSD vibes of VSCode. Hoping it's a different story from the Full Fledge version

I switched over to VSCode, and a couple of things I immediately hate are: * Its suggestion engine. It pops up all the damn time, and often it's a popup that is like 7 or 8 lines long and it NEVER GOES AWAY, unless I hit escape. Irritating as shit. * Its Git integration is...Ugly. It works. It's just ugly. What I used to do in Atom is just open the directory that has all of my projects in subdirectories. When I would use the Git integration in Atom, it knew what the fuck I was trying to do based on the file I was editing. You do that in VSCode, you go to the Git section, and you've got this MASSIVE, ugly list of every project in that directory. Also, errors in a file show up as changes in Git under VSCode. Which is doubly irritating, given that so far, VSCode has had numerous problems with false-positives in detecting errors. VSCode: Atom's idiot cousin.

I use lite-xl for everything.

Community support and extension is what I usually care about. VS Code wins hands down there.

I have no reason to use it. IntelliJ is good enough for java and everything else I use neovim for.

JetBrains make incredible IDEs but it's kind of annoying they can't make one to compete with VS Code. Fleet is a disappointment so far, at least to me.

PHP dev doesn’t want to pay for an IDE, stick to notepad!!

I like Notepad

i thought you were bald because of excessive hat usage

It will still not replace vscode...

JetBrains silently dropped all their users in Russia and Belarus, so I would not recommend to depend on their tools and products. VS Code is guaranteed to be better than Fleet.

I genuinely have no clue why anybody would ever pay for a closed-source vscode clone that doesn't even have a mature ecosystem of plugins, but I suppose stranger things have happened in this world. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

People around the world work really really hard for all these open source softwares and these corporates wants me to pay for literally almost the same software that is available for free... I think there are a lot of stupid people in this world

Fleet is far inferior compare to VSCode, less extensible, relies on closed ecosystem, and you have to pay for it? No thanks.

In the dictionary under tedium it says see engineer man

You know, the thing I like the least in this world is cheap people. You're getting a service as you said as you have never had but you don't like that it's free. This man won't be going places, that's for sure. what a cheapskate

Just use the God damn community edition in home and personal in the office 🥱