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One other aspect is security, because malvertising is a thing. For me, blocking ads is a standard and fundamental part of cyber hygiene. Also, my bandwidth is limited and I pay for it. I like to have as much control as possible over how that bandwidth is used. And I too have no problem with KZfaq's stance. If it blocks access unless I pay then I will seriously consider paying. And will probably decide not to and go elsewhere...

The KZfaq monopoly is a big part of the problem, as well as the absurd frequency and invasiveness of the ads. (premium member here too)

2:55 Okay, but allow me to retort: they're tracking the hell out of me so they can tell that I've purchsed from their advertisers and don't need to see the ads. Especially the same g/d ad over and over again, or ads disrupting a song.

My main problem with adblockers is how it FORCES you to watch them, interrupting whatever you are doing. Especially on youtube, they try to alleviate it with skippable ads (even though I've noticed less and less ads are skippable), but thats still interrupts whatever I'm watching. If the ads appeared either at the very end or at the top of the comments section where in neither cases it would bother me, I would have no problem with them.

Even the FBI advises Internet users to have a good ad-blocker on your browser for online safety. As far as I'm concerned, it's as important as using antivirus or anti-malware software.

the problem is when companies stop focusing on building a good service, and just build "something" so that they can serve ads. 30 years ago you built a productc and if it was good, people would pay for it. Today you dont care if the product is good or not. All they want is to serve ads, and. For instance snapchat was born because of people sending nudes and explicit pictures and the opposite party would not be able to store them. That was the entire idea, now snap chat is a hot mess with ads every 20 seconds. Its impossible to do anything without seeing an ad. You tube was fine when you maybe had some adds before sure. But now i watch a 10 minut clip and i get 4 minutes of ads. They have become too greedy, and overexposed users to ads to maximize profit, and buy their competitors.. So its basically their own fault.

You can't calculate 10$ per month for all subscribers because regional pricing exists and it costs much less in places like India where I pay around 1.5$.

I have been using a patched version of KZfaq for the last 2 years. Haven't seen a single Ad nor have received a message from KZfaq. KZfaq forced Vanced down but a new beast appeared:)

One easy way to solve this is charge uploaders $1 per video they upload, and an extra 50 cents for every 30 minutes longer the video is. That would prevent the spam of low quality garbage and wouldn't affect the KZfaqrs living off their channel on KZfaq. Even if they made a video every day that is only $30 a month. That isn't that much. Just paying rent is over $1,000 a month for the vast majority.

Very compelling stance, totally agree with everything you mentioned. If you don’t mind me asking, what tools do you use for video production? Specifically, how do you do that cool transparent overlay of your editor with the talking points? That’s super slick! Great to see you post. Hope all is well and happy holidays.

usually my beef is more with how ads are done, and how pricing is done, than with the ads themselves. i used to watch Dota tournaments on twitch and sometimes during a crucial moment, or while someone is saying something i want to hear, i'd get a 30 second ad that would ruin it. if the ads were non-invasive eg didn't interrupt streams/videos and were instead on the side of the page or video, i'd be far less annoyed by them. same with premium, if it cost like $1 a month i'd go for it. train tickets here in the UK are so preposterously expensive for how bad the service is, so most of us try to skip fares where possible. if they were half as much, we'd pay no problem because it's reasonable to pay for a useful service. but the companies that own the trains (mostly owned by the German state, interestingly) basically have monopolies on routes and times, so they charge bullshit amounts

I said this from the beginning and ill stick with it, but YT will not win this war lol

I honestly cannot remember any time in the past decade or so, where I actually bought a product I saw in an ad. I generally do not enjoy being patronized to, so the very act of seeing an ad for a product makes me less likely to buy that product. I know I'm not alone either, so the fact that ads are profitable in the first place just dumbfounds me. Secondly, most ads nowadays are completely immoral. They promote hedonism, gluttony, sexual degeneracy, and a myriad of other things that, if emulated by those in society, generally leads to a dysfunctional society. I know not everyone will agree with that take, but I feel when I'm already paying half a Benjamin Franklin to fill up my car, I shouldn't have to see or hear some half-naked woman blabbing on about what useless thing is trending. And that brings me to my last point. It's EVERYWHERE. Billboards, magazines, newspapers, TVs, computers, stores, freaking fuel pumps (see above), intercoms, radio stations, the logos on people's clothes, etc. Ad-space has become this amorphous void that engulfs anything and everything. Worst of all is, nobody seems to care. Either that, or their attention spans are so shot by the endless assault of stimulation they don't even notice. It should be a basic right on the part of human dignity, to not be treated as a product and commodity for the monetary gain of others. /rant

W take. Completely agree that both users and YT are justified in the ad-blockers and ad-blocker-blockers. I don't think YT is justified in how pervasive the ads are, however. I don't mind banner/side ads as long as they don't interrupt content, don't show raunchy content, or are super obnoxious. Also, you touched on this, but lots of people are switching browsers purely because of this, including myself. I used to use both Chrome and Firefox but have switched to exclusively Firefox. Now Google is missing out on not only ad-views from me but also all the additional traffic from my browser!

This is pretty much exactly how I've felt about it. I use a couple others like daily motion, but youtube just seems to have the interface and the quantity and I hope this drives the competition to grab more of the audience somehow, while at the same time driving people to create better addblockers. I use a lot of open source, the ones I rely on or believe in I contribute to.

You can use a VPN to connect to a country that doesn't display KZfaq ads and this also works for the KZfaq app as well.

It's possible to block ads on mobile using revanced. This program patches the youtube app with various modifications selected by the user

Great video. I'm watching this video ad-free via the Brave browser on a mobile device.

Watching from brave, behind pihole... Every single time I am not protected from ads, I feel the world is trash. They don't need to make that much money with that much shit.

Once I made comment to a twitter post that, I like to play offline games and somebody said that, rumor has I have a 2G connection. I guess there are lot of variety of people in the world. I don't like to be being controlled or a product for some businesses. Your video is very thoughtful and informative which will make to think other people as well.

as soon as my adblocking falls, if I can't immediately find a fully effective replacement, I'm just reclaiming the time I used to give to youtube.

The other thing that drives me mad with this, is that depending what you want out of premium, it's not even necessarily good value, because there's only a single tier/price. It offers 4 key things: Ad-free, offline downloads, background play, and YT music. I could not care less about all of the latter 3. I watch exclusively on desktop, so background/downloads don't matter as those are app features, and I don't care about YT music at all (and let's not pretend that the licensing arrangements for that aren't a decent portion of the price). If I could get just the ad-free for a lower price, depending on what they priced it at, I'd honestly consider it, which is especially more annoying, as they already trialled a Premium Lite in some places, then canned it.

it is NOT the ads, but when this data is sold to health care or other things like that, Like Sorry your mom is searching for censor or other sickness and you need to pay 10 times the normal rate. or sorry you can't take the Bus as you said this and that online.

Unwanted ads = wasted data. I pay for a certain amount of data every month. Even with 'unlimited' data there's a cap after which data speed is throttled. Should I not be compensated for that wasted data if I'm not allowed to block the ads I don't want?

As a Bruneian, I don't see a problem (because we're so small of a population, noone put up ads for this tiny country). Like literally, there is no ads on KZfaq. Only if I go to Singapore/Malaysia, then I finally understood how annoying the ads can be. Haha

For me, I'm just tired of all the ads forced on me. Facebook, it's pretty much 1 ad for every 2 or 3 friend posts. Streaming services, I'm paying more and now have to deal with ads unless I pay even more. KZfaq, I start a tutorial video, ad, watch a minute or two in but have to go back 30 seconds, ad. I understand it's a free market and it's their product but it really is getting out of control in general. Kind of feel like there should be some form of regulation on how many ads can be shown in a given time period

With KZfaq recently attacking video streaming performance when ad-blocking is detected, it’s usually faster to download a video at source quality with yt-dlp and then watch it than it is to stream at auto and get buffering on 480p. I don’t have a problem with ads in KZfaq, I have a problem with KZfaq being greedier and doucheyer with their ads every year. The noticeable increase in watch time being ads over the past 15 years is why I do what I do.

there's an adblocker that sends clicks to every ad it blocks (to obsfucate ad tracking, it discards anything that comes its way afterward). however, I'm not sure if the clicks are why KZfaq fails to notice my use of adblockers since it's not the only privacy plugin I use

One thing I did at the beginning of YT doing this was buy a year sub to Nebula lol. Premium seems like it costs way too much when all I want is no ads. I don't care about the other features. I don't trust YT will pay content creators well. The premium documentation doesn't even have numbers of how much they pay creators the last time I checked. Ads are intrusive, pervasive, predatory and probably not human-checked at all. I wish there *was* real competition to YT

Also, if everything has a reasonable price, companies will focus on creating products according to the Mazlow pyramid. Like manufacturing 1.000 socks before creating the 100th streaming show (that is ripping of other shows).

I understand the points you are making, honestly I kinda agree, but isn't it somehow illegal to block software like addblockers on your platform in the EU?

It’s definitely $20 a month, are they charging people different rates? Because that would be messed up

My issue is when they force ads on products you buy. Like TV'S, game consoles, streaming consoles. Etc... You paid for the product to do one thing which wasn't to have ads thrown in your face. Samsung is well known for this and now Amzon fire sticks and Nvidia shields. More and more and there isn't even an option to disable the ads. This is where I think laws need to change to not make paid products a delivery system for ads and that if done must require to disable the feature. Cause I'm ready to send these companies a bandwidth bill.

Premium costs different in different regions. They also not just earn from advertisement but also from creator memberships plus superchats(from livestreamers).

KZfaq will turn into that Black Mirror episode where they force you to watch ads all over your walls filled with screens and punished you for looking away. ads all the time. I have a right to skip them like (Tiveo here) or block them entirely.

Not sure it was mentioned that for profit companies have received huge amount of tax money and tax discounts. So the public pays for them by taxes already.

The cognitive dissonance in the first 50 sec is amazing!

Your point about paying for specific products being reasonable is correct, but people tend to flock to the cheapest immediate option, so free with ads will always outpace a paid product with no strings attached. Theres jewelry subscription services now… food subscriptions, subscriptions to access additional/more paid for content. Using various products as an example: YT would not be able to add that extra profit to their creators if they were a pay up front forever deal, with no ads. Every streaming service wouldn’t exist long because people would buy, watch, delete, then those services would never make money beyond an initial purchase which means they now have to constantly acquire new customers. Being subscription based has an added benefit of being able to be catered to the subscribers, and target audience instead of “everyone” which is what most things you pay upfront are marketed for. People subscribe to OF because they get the content specific, from the person, content, and interactivity levels. If that site was a pay up front for generic content, it would just be another website

You seem to be on point as far as my own views are concerned. It makes sense that KZfaq wants to lower the number of people blocking ads, just as it makes sense that people don't want to see ads and develop better ad-blockers. I haven't thought of this from the perspective of free markets but it could indeed help with improving the quality of software and maybe moving people away from KZfaq to other platforms (... are there other platforms?) One thing that surprises me too is how aggressive KZfaq is with this ad-blocker-blocking rhetoric. When you look at the installs there are "only" 100 million of installs of AdBlock and uBlock Origin on Chrome (who knows how many are multiple installs, and I don't know if it counts only active users or the historic number of installs), so let's assume there are about 150 million people blocking ads in total, which is not even 10% of YT's (unique) monthly userbase. But what this approach did was also increase people's awareness of adblockers and the number of people who've installed one for the first time, as well as you mentioned canceling their YT Premium subscription or moving to other platforms. I can't imagine KZfaq benefitting from this so far and I imagine this will only get worse for them moving forward. As for the "world without ads", I've felt for a while that game prices are totally messed up. There're so many people expecting great games to cost 5-10$ on Steam these days, and the entire market moving towards cloud gaming, permanently-online, f2p games (+ microtransactions/ads) and ultimately cheap games that everything is saturated towards high quantity + low quality. Indie games / solo devs are often compelled to set very low prices for games because there's so much good stuff at low prices already, etc. I would love to see how things would look if we went back to games being a more premium product but I imagine the quality would go up and even big corps would have to step up their game.

If you've a VPN, use a server in Albania, Moldova, or Myanmar. KZfaq isn't allowed to show ads in those countries.

The problem for mega wealthy corporate CEOs is that for them too much money is NEVER enough. To them money is like an addictive drug like nicotine or cocaine.

how you solve the time issue in capitalsm? ( obviosuly this model only work without time) Free Market is a nice idea but as everybody can see this model only work with hard regulations which only will be granted as long every player on the earth play with the same rules.... this doesnt happen because every country has also their own interest..

It’s weird to me that you would say that you’re in favor of KZfaq being anti-competition by implementing technical slow-downs for people not paying them, and then say that them being anti-competition actually allows other people to be more competitive.

My biggest beef is KZfaq used to be Ad-free….. and back when it was Ad-free, it was much better. Less desperate cancerous content, and literally no click bait. I made my first KZfaq account back in 2006. So I know what I’m talking about

KZfaq, the users, the viewers, because of advertisement. The Adblock issue, it had to end some where. Band KZfaq one to three month or year to see what is what the issue come out to be. What is more important today is life to live on. You can have and don't have.

this is just another example of modders making a product more useable

if the price of your product is 0, nobody can undercut you

I mean, I use an extension to speed up videos up to 16x, and works with ads! So for me, a 5 sec ads pass in less the 2 sec, and it also counts towards watch time and etc... So basically I gave them money with "not seeing" the add. I guess it's a win-win situation.

Will google stop tracking us and storing all our data if we subscribe to youtube premium tho?! If not, and we continue to be the product, then why on earth should we pay? Also, this whole thing started when they started making video ads. On page ads were annoying, but there weren't as intolerable, obnoxious, and ruining people's ability to enjoy the content they are here to enjoy, as video ads do.

Premium is way too expensive and you still get ads. They should try a micro subscription model without ads. They will never get to keep my cookies! Deleting them every time browser starts do remove the problem.

I like youtube and have used an adblocker continuously for about 15 years straight. If i have to sit through ads every 3 minutes on a video im going to lose interest immediately and close the shit.

It's my device. I get to choose what gets served to it. I do not care about who's interests I step on in doing so because I value my own time over all else. 🤷

"I don't know how to block ads on mobile" I still use KZfaq Vanced to this day; it's an exact copy of the KZfaq app & sponsorblock built in. I have no idea what you're talking about "shitty" or "unreliable" experience. C'mon... I thought you were "Engineer Man" 😂 Also, you can just use the browser version of KZfaq with extensions through your phone (phone browser needs to allow extensions)

I just wish that ads were useful. Noone makes a purchasing decision based on ads.

It is said that creators make more when ads are allowed. I'm curious if that's true or a lie perpetrated by KZfaq. I think it's a lie. KZfaq gets paid by advertisers to have their ads play, regardless if the ads are watched or not. It's similar to seeing a commercial during a TV program. The advertiser pays the TV network, whether people watch it or not. This shouldn't have any effect on the creators paycheck one way or another.

I have KZfaq Premium. Well worth the money. Happy to support creators as well as Google's costs to support KZfaq, pay employees and make a profit.

8:45 the H in vehement is silent. vee'ement. also majorily is just not a word. use mostly or mainly.

I watch yt videos on my mobile and desktop using firefox and ublock origin. No ads !

Hey youtube, just show me stuff I'm ACTUALLY interested in and I'll watch them. I don't care about dolls cause I'm not a 4 year old girl. I don't care about cars or the installation of an electric charging station at my home cause I don't drive. I don't care about L'Oréal cause I care more about the stuff I put into my body than I care about marketing.

Of course mobile KZfaq app that blocks ads exists in form of patches for original app

I still use ad blockers on youtube and i can still watch the videos withouty adds, all they have done is muddle the stats as now im alogged out for all the videos i watch so appear as not subscribed. I will never pay and the adverts are intrusive and not relevent, i have never ever seen an advert and thought, you know what i really want that.

Adds that are just banners and static images are fine....but as soon as they flash its a nono as they are distracting you from experience. Old internet banner adds are fine. Most people started using addblockers when then got anoying back in 2006. Also...this days addblocker of any kind is a must security as malvare is hidden in adds as people who buy adds can easy change the site that leads to malvare crap (or even worse things).

It's no different than time shifting and fast forwarding through the commercials. If the company's business model relies solely on these ads then maybe they need a better business model.

I'm already weaning myself off of KZfaq. I've got my own channel (under another name) and have NEVER monetized it, yet now people cannot access my videos without seeing ads. That means KZfaq is making money off my FREE content. Fuck them. I'll just post my videos to my own website.

I fully agree with what you say!

You're not going to get too many youtubers willing to go against youtube :) so props on being brave enough to descent. lol I know of a couple youtubers who have been canceled by youtube for their views, so its very real. I'm absolutely 100% in favor of ad blockers for the same reasons you gave. I'm less in favor of ad's than you however lol. I simply despise ads and everything they represent for the same reasons as you, just much more strongly. Ads are cancer for the soul, for the brain, for critical thinking. I would willingly change my view on ads if they were not so cancerous. But they are, horribly so.

good mobile games have a shop but arent predatory af

products worth using dont have many ads

Motivated amateur software developers always win. There will just be better and better AD blockers. All they are going to do is massively publicize AD blockers and make millions of people that never heard of them start using them. Most AD blockers have already updated and continue to work just fine.

You haven't heard of revanced?😮

Interestingly, M$ Edge by default blocks ads on KZfaq :) I'm and Edge user and now I have no need to install Brave (at least for now).

pi-hole > redirect your phones DNS to the Pi-Hole

The US Gov / State Gov's should tax "pervasive" ads. Any ad that is presented past 2 minutes in any 30 min use period should be taxed 100% and use the money for educating people in civics and the rule of law... and math. And most ads lie about something. They teach people that lying is ok.

" they have target ads" I'm a woman, no partner, not even a cat, almost 15 years of data collection across platforms And they gave me recently prostate exam ads 😂 Very well target 🎯

In Europe anti adblocker software is classed as spyware and illegal.

if I seen ads my brain is conditioned enough to hate the add I see and be like okie I will never get that product..anyway that or I look away from my screen in SPITE of being shown something I don't wana see. I either buy what I want or if I want something I will search for it...I as far as saying ads are responsible for shorty attention spans training people to focus on stuff for x amount time (My opinion). So yes ads...I ignore them regardless.

100% agree. I have the right to use an ad blocker and youtube has the right to block me from their software.

Not quite Minority Report _yet_ ... 👀

You know what it is for me. They just make very stupid and boring commercials anymore. I know a little bit has to be nostalgia, but commercials in the 70s 80s and 90s were just freaking awesome. Who doesn't know the Oscar Mayer or Dr Pepper jingle. But think of a commercial that sticks in your head these days. I can watch an hour of 80s but can't stand 10 seconds of today's.

It would be interesting to know what percentage of your viewers are Premium?

Line 17: You failed to mention that demo's were a kingpin of making a sale even just a decade ago. Some news sites try this by limiting the amount of "free" views you get, and honestly, I think youtube should experiment with something like that. Turn your ad-blocker off and get youtube premium for an hour the following day.

Honestly, KZfaq's attitude toward its users, which tends to range from flippant at best to downright malicious at worst, certainly doesn't help things. They're an outfit that will casually demonetize a content creator for an absolute sleight, or even for nothing at all. They allow abusive and outright illegal abuse of DMCAs against their content creators, and put content creators in a guilty-until-proven-innocent situation where they are expected to effectively dox themselves if they want to fight it. They make decisions their community is outright against like removing downvotes. And, relatedly, they honestly do not care, even a little, if the ads they are serving are inappropriate or even outright dangerous. Hell, just the fact that they escalated to threatening legal action for ad blockers in under a month of people resisting it, without even considering alternatives, is very telling just how little they actually think of their users. It's no small wonder users are so willing to put a middle finger towards the pro-ad arguments like "it pays for the site", and it's something people really need to think about before they make the "it is immoral to block ads" argument. And I get that they're a company trying to make a profit, not our friends or family, and that our relationship with them is strictly professional, but even that kind of relationship needs to be give and take.

I notice the each and every comment I add is delete as spoon as I press "Comment">

Thx Brave rules!

I'm a capitalist too, but I think free-market is the worst economic system for three main reasons: - As you said, a free-market capitalis wants to make A LOT of profit, in order to do that, the best source for working force is underdeveloped countries, which generates wage slavery - By opening the economy to foreign companies, you destroy local businesses, generating unemployment - There is no such "competition", being that large companies have the resources to take their production abroad, while others not. Taking that as a base, that's why you need a STRONG government, an institution is needed that balances the correlation of forces. But to avoid corruption and lobby, people should get more involved in politics. I really like your channel, I hope I'm not being too harsh.

If you get blocked from watching videos. Just delete your KZfaq data. And you will be back in again.

If, and I say if, KZfaq would make it $2 a month to be ad free vs $13.99 I would say that is reasonable and I would pay that.

The world needs to move past an ad based system for driving things. If a movie studio, or a tv show, cannot be made without forcing people to watch ads, often for products they will never buy or want, then that studio or network doesn't need to exist. If your business model cannot exist on users purchasing content, renting content, streaming content but has to heavily rely on ads, you have failed as a business. While yes ads are giving you money, its costing you a fortune of good will and public perception. I cord cut over 13 years ago. I refuse to sit thru commercials for products I'm never, in my life, going to need to buy. I enjoy my content ad free these days, in one means or another.

The cost of youtube premium with music is too high. I'd be happy to pay $10/mo for no ads without music.

Too many ads. I just hate it. I can't enjoy watching any more and I can't pay 12 euro a month for a premium account.

Adblock win ! :)

Which model is KZfaq seeking "Hamas: or "Israel" of 'Medieval Christianity????

Good rundown, nevertheless, I mainly disagree. The culprit is the "free market". There isn't any. If I am - as you correctly state - the product, I should be able to charge a price for the product. Remember what you said about market? Yet, I am being declined to access myself as a product to a "free market". Instead, I am being stolen from. So far, I am fine with that, as this is a "ok deal" for me - I get free youtube and whatnot, whilst the companies doing that stuff monetize the flying f*ck out of my personal data obtained for free. And it works. All the companies you stated - Google, Instagram, Meta, X, younameit got insanely rich by doing what they do. But if I am to pay money on top of the deal, I want my fair share in the profits, as I am the one delivering wealth to them (or better - all of us, you get the picture). And it is a fundamental misconception to assume, a world without ads would be in any way "cheaper" or "better". It may be news to some, but all that money spend on advertisement comes out of the pockets of consumers. That again, is me and you.

If a product need ads to sell, then it's a bad product. Good products will always sell. So reversed engineering. A product you see advertised for, it's a shit product. In Norway we have marketing laws which company is obliged to follow. That make me as a consumer allowed put a sticker on my mailbox saying "No unaddressed ads". I use this law to justify my ad-blocking on Internett. Saying that I don't want to see unaddressed ads in my browser.

I have such mixed feelings about advertising because on the one hand how else would anyone know about your product besides organically through word of mouth. On the other hand why should I be persuaded to buy product A over in-every-way-better product B just because product A has a better marketing team. We need a better business model for the internet.

Theres a lot of inexperienced people just trying to dodge ads which also leaves me wondering who will absolutely download malware trying to get ad blocking. Someone inevitably will create some trojans and people will flock to it, give their info, as long as it blocks ads

I see KZfaq deleted my previous comment. They Hide comments they don't agree with.

Great video. I love that you have some principles you agree with (such as a free market) and that you stick to them, whether or not it's in your benefit. You changed my mind about KZfaq; it's totally fine for them to decide if they'll allow adnlockwrs or not, but it's also okay for people to decide it they want to use them or not.

It's screw tube and it will screw you