More Next Level Gear No One is Talking About! (Under $30)

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@MyLifeOutdoors 7 ай бұрын

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@kevinchrist1658 3 ай бұрын

Those magnets don't affect a compass?

@thegingerpowerranger 10 ай бұрын

So I know this is difficult in the US. But stick with me and I'll explain it for you. 1L divided by 2 is 500ml. If you need a 500ml measure and you only have a 1L bottle, you can divide the bottle in two and you get a 500ml measure. If you want to translate this back to imperial. Your 33.814 fl oz bottle can be transported into a 16.907 fl oz bottle by dividing it by two. No sticker needed!

@thekevinfoster Ай бұрын

For exact measurements there’s also just a sharpie

@SumoRTD 2 күн бұрын

I agree but I think "Smart Bottles" are actually 1.1L (because why not). At least this is how they are in Romania. So maybe that's why it's a tad difficult for them.

@panganaranga 9 ай бұрын

The product is supposed to be mixed with 500ml, but the bottle holds a Litre. Just a little hint from Europe. THATS HALF THE BOTTLE! 😂 if you canˋt figure out what half the bottle is, please get out of the woods 😂 And I am supposed to buy funny stickers for a lot of money and the change the game? They changed the game? Donˋt you think a piece of the right tape micght be the better option.

@wolfeadventures 11 ай бұрын

For I liter water bottles a Sharpie, marking middle of the bottle, then middle of top and bottom halves, and so on can give you a pretty good system of measurement in 8 or even 4oz increments. No sticker needed. Mark all your bottles before a trip.

@wobblysauce 11 ай бұрын

If you are using the same bottles/types you know just by the label.

@Ogrematic 10 ай бұрын

Or use a measuring cup.

@turdferguson7686 7 ай бұрын

@@wobblysauce not sure why more dont understand this... his 500ml mark is at the line where "magnesium" is basically. just remember thats for 500ml and no need for a sharpie or reusing same bottle every time. the labels on all those bottles should be in same spot so no need to have anything extra to mark it. simple and requires nothing but pouring your desired amount in to see where it lines up once. and a memory that works i suppose.

@wobblysauce 7 ай бұрын

@@turdferguson7686 Something I also do with the making of breakfast oats, water to mark on the outside and add oat and stir till I feel the resistance I want and done.

@mikeh4492 26 күн бұрын

Clever, simple

@brockmacd 11 ай бұрын

The crunch it - isn’t it a fancy 10 penny nail?

@airosoul1 Ай бұрын

came here to say this, just use the awl of sak to make sure

@danixsc 3 күн бұрын

I've got a repair tape made from a strong adhesive and waterproof fabric, intended to repair tents and other things, and repaired a sleeping bag some years ago and it is still as functional as the first day. That tape is magic.

@valerauko6862 11 ай бұрын

I use icaridin bug spray too (mostly because of the scary negative effects of deet) and while I don't get any bug bites they still buzz all around. But having a fake dragonfly pinned on my hat or backpack will keep those away (also well below $30)

@suzannecartwright6504 11 ай бұрын

Where would I locate a fake dragonfly? Are they sold in specialty fishing shops?

@valerauko6862 11 ай бұрын

@@suzannecartwright6504 I'll be honest I don't know. I get them off Amazon. I'd guess some outdoor or fishing shops might have them?

@ivechang6720 10 ай бұрын

How realistic do they need to be? An outline, 3D, black , coloured, shiny plastic or mixed texture? I have allergies so anything chemical free that helps is greatly appreciated. Thanks for the heads up!👍

@amyduro1967 11 ай бұрын

I live in Maine. The bugs are fierce. Picaridin actually works with blackflies, deer flies, moose flies, and gnats, as well as mosquitoes. Nothing else I’ve ever tried works with blackflies. And it won’t hurt your gear, unlike deet. I’m not crazy about using chemical repellents - they make me feel a little ill, so I think bug nets are best for above the waist, and cedar oil spray works well for ticks, too. But sometimes you need something strong and easily available. Picaridin has changed my outdoors life.

@jeremyaldrich7847 11 ай бұрын

Also from Maine here and will certainly look at using this. The flies don’t usually bother me much but always looking for tips. 👍🏼

@amyduro1967 11 ай бұрын

@@jeremyaldrich7847 try Mount Blue trailhead in the first week of May. They swarm the car before you even get out! Lol.

@stevehill3373 10 ай бұрын

Garlic oil capsules have worked for me nationwide. Actively repels mosquitoes, ticks chiggers fleas biting flies and leaches. One or two capsules per day works for me.

@myrddin77 10 ай бұрын

Also from Maine... The trick is Permethrin on your clothes, Picaridin for exposed skin and a bug net (with a hat) to keep them out of your face. If you have been out during black fly season, you know they will literally crawl into your eyes! and no bug juice is going to stop them! Most times I can get away without the net, but other times it is essential.

@amyduro1967 9 ай бұрын

@@myrddin77 yes, I love the bug net best for black flies. But the mosquitoes will go right through the little holes if it’s close to your skin. And some of the moose flies I’ve seen are terrifying.

@panhandlejake6200 11 ай бұрын

Great overview - quick and to the point. Thanks. Water bottle capacity marks: I use a permanent marker to show various important water levels, then cover each mark with scotch tape to keep it form rubbing off. Can be done pretty quickly. If you make a mistake, pull off the tape, rub off the marker ink and re-mark.

@csn583 11 ай бұрын

Absurd to stick another piece of disposable plastic to a disposable plastic bottle.

@shalakabooyaka1480 11 ай бұрын

@@csn583 I used the same smart water bottle for a year+ they get some mileage.

@toryevanss4512 11 ай бұрын

The Flextail pump is the best thing ever - it really shines for getting all the air out of your sleeping pad when you are packing up.

@Buffenmeyer 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tips! I always enjoy your honest and balanced reviews!

@Jeval-496 10 ай бұрын

Sharpie on water bottle or tape marking 500 ml would be easier😂

@lspostma 11 ай бұрын

two years ago I bought a micro pump for my inflatable pad. I have seen significant improvement in both the condition of the pad and the pad seems to keep air better by not having hot and moist air from my lungs changing temperature and losing loft. Good tip. Thanks

@valdemarjrgensen8072 10 ай бұрын

The main reason I hike is to go place to take photos. That hiking pole magnet solution is a godsent, that could solve the biggest inconvenience I have on trail, what to do with my hiking poles when using my camera.

@terryt2910 11 ай бұрын

Awesome. I already had an amazing tiny pump, without the light. When I showed it to my buds, they laughed. Now they all have one. I bought the drop thermometer and enough Pitcairn from garage built to get free shipping. Thank you!

@celestialhikes 11 ай бұрын

Hooray, some backpacking gears! I prefer 3rd myself.

@Mrs-Pancake 11 ай бұрын

Wow, love the magnetic trekking pole holder, and love your vids! Thanks for all the recommendations:)

@JCrozier1 11 ай бұрын

Love the pump. I got the first gen one when you recommended it. always glad to see a notification from your channel.

@peterwysoczanski9391 11 ай бұрын

Solid info - recently grabbed some picaridin from Ranger Ready - as a trail life leader I love learning about new gear - thanks for the info

@wakeandblakevideo 11 ай бұрын

Several cool things here that I'll pick up for an upcoming trip. Thanks!

@The_Kayak_Guy. 11 ай бұрын

Honest, quick and informative! Amazing work. Thank you

@julietittler9171 11 ай бұрын

I need to go and buy half this stuff right now! Thx!

@JamboEcho 11 ай бұрын

I have an osprey 2 liter reservoir I use while I'm touring. It came with one of those magnetic clips and I absolutely love it!

@MyLifeOutdoors 11 ай бұрын

I saw Osprey has a mag clip too. Very cool

@SummitSeeker546 11 ай бұрын

Love my Thermarest air pump for my NeoAir XLite! Worth the added 2 ounces!

@peterisaksson9915 11 ай бұрын

Very nice tip on gear! I see some DIY possibilities here!

@TwoSoundsatOnce 11 ай бұрын

I've been looking into making gear and design because my mind is always going. Right now I modify things some things I find that you're just doesn't have one feature or a couple teachers really desire and it's a lot to search through four gear and then you go into a old Walmart discount and find a really cool nylon backpack handbag with a lid it's like 28 really cool and I never hear anybody talk about those in Walmart kind of I feel gets dismissed and some of the quality sometimes it's not the best but sometimes the older stuff I find like a poncho from their outdoor brand is really good stuff maybe a little heavier than some ultralight prefer but it is really really cool for what it is. So I can relate. And just a little grain of rice can tip the scale as far as having enough versus not having enough can almost be the same as not having any versus having everything maybe a exaggeration but I enjoy finding these videos on my feed thank you!

@HeegeMcGee 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for turning me on to Natural Atlas, glad you got paid to do it. :D I'm a canoe / kayaker, and the natural atlas app actually performs better than the Garmin Connect App - it doesn't have any problem at all following a stream bed, whereas Garmin only understands roads and trails. I've been recommending it to all my paddler friends.

@MyLifeOutdoors 11 ай бұрын

That’s awesome! I didn’t even know it could do that.

@billpetersen298 11 ай бұрын

Do you need cell connection, for it?

@HeegeMcGee 11 ай бұрын

@billpetersen298 not exactly. You plan ahead, download a map area when you are connected and then it's available offline when you are in the backcountry

@aurtisanminer2827 11 ай бұрын

I’m glad someone’s making more options for thermometers. Knowing the temps is pretty important.

@blurglide 11 ай бұрын

Not really

@shalakabooyaka1480 11 ай бұрын

For what reason do you need the temp while camping?

@aurtisanminer2827 11 ай бұрын

@@shalakabooyaka1480 to know what gear will keep you warm in the cold or what will be too warm in warm temps.

@shalakabooyaka1480 11 ай бұрын

@@aurtisanminer2827 I mean after you are out? I do backpacking and bikepacking, I know about packing for the weather. I just check the forecast pack accordingly and adjust on the fly as I go.

@funnybeingme 11 ай бұрын

@@shalakabooyaka1480 Agree. Weather forecast is more important than knowing what the actual temp is once you are in the backcountry. What you have in your pack is what you have. And even if you go back to the same location in the future, the temperature is not gonna be the same.

@teestravels 11 ай бұрын

Flex tail pump is great been using one for about 6 months saves so much time

@roybarnes-thewildlifeman1855 6 ай бұрын

Fantastic channel! Simple, sensible, and brilliantly presented!

@valstarkgraf 11 ай бұрын

NoSo patches are a great solution and work really, really well. I've been glad to see them getting shelf space at REI.

@smworste 4 ай бұрын

For securing the tube, I always use retractable key lanyards. Works excellent, especially when trail running or MTB.

@mitchellmysliwiecphotography 11 ай бұрын

Super up to date... that Pika Fire in Yosemite just started within the last week! Great info as always, Steve

@johnmezera3451 11 ай бұрын

Great tips, thanks!

@HostileTakeover2 11 ай бұрын

I've been using the hydration tube magnets since they came out. Love love love them.

@ahikernamedgq 10 ай бұрын

You can hang the tiny pump from the center of your tent - a lot of tents have little loops inside to hang things - and it's a great lamp for the inside of the tent. I bought some tiny titanium caribeeners that I use the hang the tiny pump/lamp from the inside of my tent's ceiling.

@mattm00ey 8 ай бұрын

Always great videos. My ears pricked up when you mentioned that you sleep on your side. Me too and never comfortable so any content that goes more into that(if you haven't already) would be amazing. Keep up the good work

@TheGearTester 4 ай бұрын

Great video! Lots of excellent information and content. Subscribed!

@MRBenchwork 10 ай бұрын

Great video. I'll be picking up a few of those items.

@TokinWhiteKid 11 ай бұрын

Appreciate these types of videos!

@pocketlint82 11 ай бұрын

I've never used that rubber nozzle on the flextail. Ive always just put the normal nozzle in the outlet to fill. I'll have to try this out next time

@Doc_Watson 11 ай бұрын

I love picaridin! I find it works better than deet and doesn't eat your plastic items.

@peterjohnson6273 11 ай бұрын

Always good, Steve, thanks

@CameronVirrill 11 ай бұрын

As always, specific, clear, brisk, and helpful. Keep 'em coming.

@TheWinter99 11 ай бұрын

Excellent advice as always Hello from the uk

@kennethwilson8633 11 ай бұрын

That stuff is great for ticks I wear it a lot.Sawyer.

@dansklrvids7303 11 ай бұрын

what a fun list - never seen any of these before

@chili1593 10 ай бұрын

Super video as always. Thank you

@Shrouded_reaper 11 ай бұрын

Stick stash looks cool, hate having to throw my poles around going up and down rocks.

@fixedG 10 ай бұрын

The tiny bag inflator blower works double duty as a pocket bellows for starting or reviving your fire.

@Ch0razin 11 ай бұрын

I have those Spuds holders on my Mariposa 60, they attach right above where the shoulder straps meet the belt and hold my poles perfectly. Great for road walking or when you need your hands free for check a map, snack, or drink!

@MikeycatOutdoors 11 ай бұрын

What pole brand did you install your spuds on? They were too small for my black diamond poles.

@Andy-Mesa 11 ай бұрын

@@MikeycatOutdoors Weird, because they're specifically made for BD poles (16mm). I use them on my Fizan poles, it only fits on the middle section but that's worked okay for me.

@MikeycatOutdoors 11 ай бұрын

@@Andy-Mesa I saw they uploaded the info on the garage grown gear page to indicate the 16mm diameter size and which poles its known to work with. I might try the mid section of my BD alpine carbon poles. I definitely know my cnoc poles are way too large.

@jacobpoucher 11 ай бұрын

You can also use the flextail pump to help get a fire going.

@MyLifeOutdoors 11 ай бұрын

Very true! I’m camping with my family right now and the tiny pump works great on fires.

@WhiteTigerAudio 4 ай бұрын

i'm so happy to see picaridin lotion on this list! great choice

@JeremyLawrence-imajez 10 ай бұрын

The harness straps on your Osprey pack has loops to thread your water tube through. My 2015 Osprey pack already had a magnetic tab to hold tube end in place when I got it.

@plwadodveeefdv 8 ай бұрын

Modern problems require modern uh...

@lorcan-luke 11 ай бұрын

I don't have that exact Flextail pump, but I brought mine on the PCT and only ever charged it in town. And I have the wide Nemo tensor pad!

@ann-mariejensen2623 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip about the hose adapter and magnetic clips to use with the Smart water bottles! I will use both of those for sure.

@grbta1124 5 ай бұрын

See Gaiagps more maps overlays nat geo maps same price and Outside Mag...

@jacobdebernardi4385 11 ай бұрын

I second the tiny pump. Each night in the Sierras I inflated the tramily's pads. I called it the 'inflation station'!

@jjmcwill2007 11 ай бұрын

Cool little gadgets and doo-dads to round out one's backpacking kit.

@MariekaJackson 9 ай бұрын

It also helps if you thread your water tube through that little strap that runs horizontally on your shoulder strap.

@barneyrubble1754 11 ай бұрын

Yabadaba doo Nice video A Pump sac doesn’t make any noise 🤙

@MountainsCallingMe 11 ай бұрын

Great video!

@jameshenderson9228 11 ай бұрын

Awesome tips

@zafiradaima 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info. I couldn't tell from your video, but which Smart water bottle adapter were you using?

@paulzimmerman3895 11 ай бұрын

Outstanding!

@jsvalina3503 2 ай бұрын

Keep up the good work, its a good channel.

@Andy-Mesa 11 ай бұрын

I've been using Stick Stashers for over 800 miles on the PCT and Camino del Norte and they're mostly wonderful. They work especially well on maintained trails that don't have a lot of brush. My only issue has been that dirt catches on the magnets really easily and are impossible to get out because it gets stuck to and eventually interferes with the magnet. This was especially an issue on the desert PCT sections.

@MyLifeOutdoors 11 ай бұрын

I’ve started to notice this too. Seems like small pieces of iron in the dirt

@brendandor 11 ай бұрын

Yep there's loads of ferrous metals/rocks in soil, they should have a little cut out that allows you to scrape the metals off. One option is to have a thin bit of plastic which can catch the metal but I doubt this would last long and would reduce the magnetism. I'd suspect a stick whittled to a little sharp scoop could help, or a very stiff brush.

@Andy-Mesa 11 ай бұрын

@@brendandor I recommended they add a little mesh to prevent the dirt from getting in.

@memathews 11 ай бұрын

@@brendandorToothbrush works. Be sure to rinse the toothbrush afterwards 😊

@b0mazor 10 ай бұрын

I do not like the idea of crunching cans, why not just date them and re use them.

@davesanders9203 11 ай бұрын

WOW! just more rehashing of the same stuff I've seen before! WHOA! That was a mistake! Awesome new stuff! THANKS!

@snteevveetns 11 ай бұрын

Great info

@Oldsparkey 11 ай бұрын

Back when Therm-a-Rest came out with the NeoAir. Shortly thereafter I got one of the Microburst inflates from Camp-tek. It sure beats trying to blow up the mattress with the bag or heaven forbid , by mouth. Attach it and in less then 3 minutes the bag is inflated.

@mikeh4492 26 күн бұрын

The hose clip is cool. I tuck mine under my chest strap, or band it to the molle on my shoulder strap

@vanguardcycle 11 ай бұрын

don't know how i've missed your channel! found my way here from the video Justin just posted. on my smart water bottles (and talenti jars/gsi mugs) i fill to fairly precise, mark with a sharpie..repeat for whatever graduations you want. when done cover with a piece of scotch tape or packing tape.

@MyLifeOutdoors 11 ай бұрын

Glad you are here! Justin is a good friend.

@wbrussell19 11 ай бұрын

Thanks Steven. Some good ideas there. Have you found a good, inexpensive, basic watch suitable for cold weather? Don't need all the bells and whistles on most watches and definitely don't need the high prices. If so, maybe you could include it in one of your reviews. Thanks.

@marcelodelpuerto395 3 ай бұрын

Great video, I like the smart water outfit. Magnets make me nervous because I carry a compass and the magnetic fields can mess it up.

@Magiasama88 11 ай бұрын

Every now and then you have a Will Friedle tone to your voice.. It's pleasant.

@Pedro28725 11 ай бұрын

A cheaper alternative to no-sow patches is a good old roll of tenacious tape. That combined with seam grip will fix anything. Not sure about the durability of the now so vs tenacious, would make an interesting video i guess

@stevejohnsons9668 27 күн бұрын

Great information, Thank you so much, maybe less people will get lost

@AdamDrew 11 ай бұрын

I think Natural Atlas is really cool, but I feel that it deserves mentioning that it only works on trails in the USA. I plugged a very popular backpacking route in Banff National Park into it, and even though the trail was visible on the map, none of the other features work. I just wish I just wish i hadn't paid the $30 first

@MyLifeOutdoors 11 ай бұрын

Contact them at hello@naturalatlas.com I’m sure they will give you your money back.

@AdamDrew 11 ай бұрын

@@MyLifeOutdoors oh probably, but I like what they are doing and the cost was not overwhelming for me, so I considered it a "donation" to the cause of them expanding to Canada someday.

@JamesOfEarth 11 ай бұрын

Interesting vid. I’ll stick with my pad fill bag, since it doubles as sleep system dry bag. 3oz is too much for a one-use item. Permethrin > picardin.

@daven.7685 11 ай бұрын

Agreed. Plus that pump is just one more thing to charge up.

@nodescriptionavailable3842 11 ай бұрын

Best way to recycle jetboil canister is to use it for target practice but make sure its not totally empty for effect.

@susanp.collins7834 6 ай бұрын

My trekking pole is a 1.5m stainless steel hollow curtain pole that I've fitted with a ferrule on each end. I store my paracord in it.

@bradley3549 11 ай бұрын

I do not enjoy the flavor mixes designed for 16oz bottles mixed at full strength. I normally mix them in a full 32oz hydroflask and it's just about right. Gets me drinking more water as well!

@arturprivat8180 8 ай бұрын

Nice idea

@rong1924 7 ай бұрын

To get the label off a Smart Water bottle, fill it with HOT tap water to soften the glue, peel the label off, then rub the remaining sticky glue with vegetable oil and a paper towel or plastic scrubber. It will take A WHILE but the oil will eventually soften the glue till it can be washed off with dish soap. This works for most labels.

@aaronedgeart 11 ай бұрын

Right on!

@siberx4 11 ай бұрын

The modern little rechargeable air pumps are great! I used to air up my stuff the old fashioned lung-based way but they're able to pack a lot of power into a tiny package, and are definitely worth carrying. As a long-time DEET enthusiast (being highly tasty to mosquitoes for whatever reason), I have switched entirely to Picaridin/Icaridin based bug sprays. They're the only non-DEET repellent I've ever tried that actually works just as well as DEET on mosquitoes (just about any other purported bug spray that isn't DEET or Picaridin based is useless), and it doesn't melt plastics the way DEET does. Highly recommend.

@joelface 11 ай бұрын

I'm tempted by the rechargeable air pumps, but are they really worth taking on a backpacking trip, or mostly just for car-camping situations?

@siberx4 11 ай бұрын

@@joelface The smallest ones are extremely tiny and weigh only a few ounces; they're definitely worth considering for backpacking for the effort they save and the moisture they keep out of your inflatables.

@dylanisley4873 11 ай бұрын

Is permethrin worth a damn

@siberx4 11 ай бұрын

@@dylanisley4873 Permethrin is good, but it's NOT a bug spray like deet/icaridin for your skin (breaks down when applied to your body). You can apply it to clothing to prevent ticks and such though. Make sure to keep it away from cats, which are particularly sensitive to it.

@DominiqueB 10 ай бұрын

@@joelface The pump is really small and only weighs a few oz, not much heavier than a standard fabric pump-sack. I _do_ use the light as a lantern in my tent or hammock, so it is multipurpose, as all our gear should be. ;-) I do take it backpacking and bikepacking, where space and weight are at a premium. Even using the light, the pump is still good for many inflations (I've tested it to 5 inflations of a Regular/25-in/2.5-in mattress + 3 nights with 5-10 mn of illumination each night, with still power left over at the end of the trip.)

@mikedidomenico1 11 ай бұрын

Thermodrop is a great piece of gear

@FarginIceholeful 4 ай бұрын

When I roll up my mattress leaving camp it lets out the damp air, then at home I let it self fill at home to get dry air in there. Repeat if necessary. It also prevents the foam from separating, causing a bubble.

@sluggyduggy9631 9 ай бұрын

With the hydration reservoir I use a large Caribbeana cause my bag hasn't got a spot for it

@jimihenrik11 9 ай бұрын

I have a sea to summit pad and their stuffsacks double as the inflation bag and they are better than any information bag i ever saw. It literally only takes 2.5 fillings to inflate the pad, which means less than 30 seconds.

@stevestory8483 11 ай бұрын

What is the adapter tube for the smart water bottle you use

@MyLifeOutdoors 11 ай бұрын

This is the one I use: amzn.to/3HEjhQq

@briar35981 11 ай бұрын

Better check fitment before purchasing. Didn't fit either of my packs (Waymark and Mountain Laurel Designs) Easily works on Gregory, Etc

@lh3540 11 ай бұрын

COTREX app from the state of CO is run by natural atlas, it's honestly the best route planner. I even use it for planning runs. The measure tool is great.

@chasenhorizons 11 ай бұрын

Awesome product/app list! Do the SmartWater bottles not degrade over usage? I know most plastic off-the-shelf water products (not reusable bottles) have a use-life.